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[Bug?] Noticeable damage increase in trials

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  • Wanderer202
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    frateanu.luiseb17_ESO wrote: »
    I don't understand why ZOS forget almost every time to provide complete patch notes?

    Remember dual wield nerf? And there are so many other examples.

    I think @Asayre could help us in this matter instead of ZOS. My 5 guilds also felt the same ...an increased damage taken from mobs ..especially overland bosses and also in dungeon and trials.

    Thank you.


    English is not my native language.

    "The elemental status effect Concussed now applies Minor Vulnerability to enemies instead of Minor Maim." is directly from the patch notes, as is
    "Adjusted the Area of Effect damage thresholds for all abilities. The new thresholds are as follows:
    Targets 1 – 6: 100% damage taken with all secondary effects applied.
    Targets 7 – 24: 75% damage taken with no secondary effects applied (formerly 50% damage taken).
    Targets 25 – 60: 50% damage taken with no secondary effects applied (formerly 25% damage taken)."

    They don't hold your hand and explicitly state "This is a damage change that will effect enemies AND allies" but they DO include this information in the patch notes.
  • Loc2262
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    Rawst wrote: »
    What I noticed as a healer is that groups started to need more healing. I have less time to cast shards and orbs because healthbars deplete faster than before and need to be replenished more often.

    Yes, that's exactly one of the things I noticed too. It's still the case after yesterday's patch. Also taking more damage from dolmen mobs and dungeon bosses on my stamblade (don't have Vigor, need to use Rend way more often than usual).
    Kind regards,
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  • Fruity_Ninja
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    ZOS_Finn wrote: »
    Hey Folks,

    Chiming in again here to let you know we are looking into it. As much information as you have would be appreciated. Specifically...

    - What monsters did you notice taking more damage on?
    - How much more damage were you taking?
    - What typed of attacks were the monsters doing?

    One note which we think is worth mentioning is this:
    The elemental status effect Concussed now applies Minor Vulnerability to enemies instead of Minor Maim.

    If players were used to fighting monsters under the concussed effect, those monsters will be doing 15% more damage now but take 8% more damage as well.

    In Trials, this means that monsters such as Overchargers, which are found in AA and SO, will have a chance to Concuss players which will increase taken damage.


    So is this confirmed, extra damage from mobs due to the changes to concussion etc?

    Does anyone know if this also explains the extra damage players are experiencing in VMA? (Sorry no idea if/what mobs in VMA might apply this).
    Edited by Fruity_Ninja on February 14, 2017 12:31PM
  • Eweroun
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    TARAFRAKA wrote: »
    Mojmir wrote: »
    embrace the challenge


    See, you say that but youre forgetting the first fundamental rule of MMOs.
    IT IS ALWAYS THE HEALERS FAULT.
    No, thank you. I've already got PTSD and twitch uncontrollably when someone demands orbs while simultaneously taking 10k damage per second.
    TARAFRAKA wrote: »
    Mojmir wrote: »
    embrace the challenge


    See, you say that but youre forgetting the first fundamental rule of MMOs.
    IT IS ALWAYS THE HEALERS FAULT.
    No, thank you. I've already got PTSD and twitch uncontrollably when someone demands orbs while simultaneously taking 10k damage per second.

    No it's not the healers fault anymore.
    Now you can should blame the petsorcs.. those scamps are always standing where they should'nt, aggroing like a ninja and doing other stuff to make it more difficult for the group.

    #BlamePetSorcs :D
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  • Eweroun
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    James-Wayne wrote: »
    DHale wrote: »
    Although not trials related I have noticed that wayrest 1 boss on hard mode almost all hits are now one shots even with a full tank with block one hit take almost half health. When I say one shot most hits are 20 k or more. This is even with full shields on as in a 20 k shield.

    Spindleclutch 1 final boss is also one shotting tank builds with top gear and max resistance

    maybe you should go out of the red circle... it one-shotted already before... :D
    oh, and the spit attack should be dodged ;)
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  • Pallio
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    In vMA you can definitely notice, especially from bleeds and physical damage, appears to ignore armor and/cp resistance.

    Also it does not appear our physical pen. stats have the same impact on mobs. I.E. Twice Fanged Serpent set adds no damage, either not stacking or pen is not working in damage calculation.
  • Subversus
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    AnnieBeGood wrote: »
    I think the 'power creep' might have got a little nerf :) About time....
    Because vMA totally needs to be buffed, 40 minutes for RNG weapons isn't bad enough :):):):):)

    :)

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    :):):):):)

  • KisoValley
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    More damage more fun. At least Hodor/Aquila will have a challenge when getting no death runs now.
  • Subversus
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    KisoValley wrote: »
    More damage more fun. At least Hodor/Aquila will have a challenge when getting no death runs now.

    More damage vMA =/= more fun
  • Malmai
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    Just rush thru.
  • Dagoth_Rac
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    Is this one of those "Law of Unintended Consequences" things, where ZOS wanted to make staves more attractive and not have magicka builds dual wielding so much, and this just sort of happened as a side effect? Or did ZOS really have a meeting where someone said, "Ya know what enemies are too weak? Overchargers!" :o
  • dramsb14_ESO
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    Pallio wrote: »
    In vMA you can definitely notice, especially from bleeds and physical damage, appears to ignore armor and/cp resistance.

    Also it does not appear our physical pen. stats have the same impact on mobs. I.E. Twice Fanged Serpent set adds no damage, either not stacking or pen is not working in damage calculation.

    Sounds like it's not associated with "concussed" effects only then.


  • Contraptions
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    Overchargers doing even more damage?

    *shivers*
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  • Pallio
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    Definitely one way to make everyone go to a magic based build.

    P.S. Healer job just got a lot harder now too.
  • OutLaw_Nynx
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    Yup :/
  • Foxic
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    Did multiple maw hardmode runs last night. I did not see any instance of any increased damage throughout the trial. I think this is all placebo effect.
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  • Pallio
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    Try vma solo with a stam build were you rely on physical pen and resist. Or just be carried through a trial and assume everything is fine, either way, something broke with this patch.
  • Foxic
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    Pallio wrote: »
    Try vma solo with a stam build were you rely on physical pen and resist. Or just be carried through a trial and assume everything is fine, either way, something broke with this patch.

    First off I have run vma post patch on a light armor mag build with no shield.

    Secondly the op specifically mentioned maw. I have run all of the trials post patch and aside from increased damage on mage hardmode I don't notice any difference.
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    Head of The Council of Raiders

    First NA vAS Hardmode(#2 world)

    World First Immortal Redeemer & Saintly Savior

    All #1 Trial scores Clockwork City patch

  • Xrucible
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    Pallio wrote: »
    In vMA you can definitely notice, especially from bleeds and physical damage, appears to ignore armor and/cp resistance.

    Also it does not appear our physical pen. stats have the same impact on mobs. I.E. Twice Fanged Serpent set adds no damage, either not stacking or pen is not working in damage calculation.

    Bleed damage is true damage.. It ignores all armor.. This was a change made 5-6 patches ago.. Maybe they fixed the remaining bugs..
    On a long break from ESO.
  • rustic_potato
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    Pallio wrote: »
    Definitely one way to make everyone go to a magic based build.

    P.S. Healer job just got a lot harder now too.

    Stam is doing less DPS this patch so I'm assuming mobs are not dying as quickly as you expect hence the added damage..
    I play how I want to.


  • rustic_potato
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    Have completed all HM trials post patch and the only place we took more damage than usual was SO and AA.. It makes sense because off the lightning passive change.. AA HM is now extra annoying though..
    I play how I want to.


  • dramsb14_ESO
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    Xrucible wrote: »
    Pallio wrote: »
    In vMA you can definitely notice, especially from bleeds and physical damage, appears to ignore armor and/cp resistance.

    Also it does not appear our physical pen. stats have the same impact on mobs. I.E. Twice Fanged Serpent set adds no damage, either not stacking or pen is not working in damage calculation.

    Bleed damage is true damage.. It ignores all armor.. This was a change made 5-6 patches ago.. Maybe they fixed the remaining bugs..

    If there is an issue with CP points placed into survivability perks (such as Hardy) not actually being accounted for post-patch, then such a reduction in damage mitigation should affect all damage types including bleed effects.
  • souravami
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    Just finished a vMA run. The archers on stage 5 and 7 seem to be heating a little harder. Otherwise damage is unchanged in vMA.
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  • dramsb14_ESO
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    souravami wrote: »
    Just finished a vMA run. The archers on stage 5 and 7 seem to be heating a little harder. Otherwise damage is unchanged in vMA.

    Is there any incoming lightening damage floating around in those particular stages?
  • Anhedonie
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    I noticed insane damage spikes in veteran maelstrom arena. Sometimes I die to one shots while having 18k shields, 20k health and holding block. Noticed this during ice arena and 7th arena.
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  • Massive_Stain
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    Eweroun wrote: »
    James-Wayne wrote: »
    DHale wrote: »
    Although not trials related I have noticed that wayrest 1 boss on hard mode almost all hits are now one shots even with a full tank with block one hit take almost half health. When I say one shot most hits are 20 k or more. This is even with full shields on as in a 20 k shield.

    Spindleclutch 1 final boss is also one shotting tank builds with top gear and max resistance

    maybe you should go out of the red circle... it one-shotted already before... :D
    oh, and the spit attack should be dodged ;)

    This, all day. Lol.
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  • Artemiisia
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    Wanderer202 wrote: »
    Nifty2g wrote: »
    No it's not minor vulnerability. Maw of lorkhaj doesn't have lightning
    cpuScientist wrote: »
    There is no fire or lightning that I can remember in VMoL. Maybe they are wielding staves or something don't know it's weird that it's happening in VMoL...

    WE KNOW, but SORCEROR lightning NO LONGER REDUCES MOB DAMAGE, and so the mobs will do more damage. It's not ABOUT the mobs doing lightning damage, it's about the lightning damage the PARTY is doing no longer reducing the damage of the mobs.

    oh, thats why I feel my squichy in veteran malstrom arena, suddenly taking more damage there as sorc
  • dramsb14_ESO
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    We may have more than one variable at play here affecting incoming damage amounts.
  • dramsb14_ESO
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    @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom is this issue still being looked into? Any updates?
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    dramsb14_ESO wrote: »
    @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom is this issue still being looked into? Any updates?

    @dramsb14_ESO

    Just so you know Zos is aware of this thread, just one page before this they chimed in for more information on this and that was not the first time Zos joined this conversation.
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