[Bug?] Noticeable damage increase in trials

cpuScientist · February 2017

For sure same has increased it seems like we are getting minor vulnerability put on us. It seems to be across the board, I was tanking vcoa and usually lorlorlor I am Lorde but today he was smashing me, I mean it was not tithe point that I could not take it, but it was noticeably higher.

I have no way to test but VMoL also seems to be higher and I'm getting reports of hardmode mage doing maybe the atros applying minor vulnerability...

code65536 · February 2017

The tank in our vHRC weekly was reporting more damage on the Warrior. We all assumed that it was because he had changed his build around, but maybe it was related?

Asmael · February 2017

cpuScientist wrote: »

For sure same has increased it seems like we are getting minor vulnerability put on us. It seems to be across the board, I was tanking vcoa and usually lorlorlor I am Lorde but today he was smashing me, I mean it was not tithe point that I could not take it, but it was noticeably higher.

I have no way to test but VMoL also seems to be higher and I'm getting reports of hardmode mage doing maybe the atros applying minor vulnerability...

If that's the case, finding some scamp doing lightning damage and testing whether damage is constant or changes (and whether a debuffs popz up) is the way to go.

It's suspicious tho, MoL isn't exactly known for throwing lightning damage around.

SwaminoNowlino · February 2017

Has anyone tested to see if the problem is related to CP? They messed with a couple CP things this patch, people may not be getting the resistance benefits of CP or the damage benefits?

Nifty2g · February 2017

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

Has anyone tested to see if the problem is related to CP? They messed with a couple CP things this patch, people may not be getting the resistance benefits of CP or the damage benefits?

That's what I thought it was but i put them in and out beforehand

runagate · February 2017

How about the idea that the change in the AoE cap also applied to mobs combined with some other, unintended calculation? It's really the only across the board change I can think of. Then again, invisible opponents in PvP doesn't seem to have a simple root cause, either, so it might not be something with a simple correlation to a single intended change in the update.

cpuScientist · February 2017

runagate wrote: »

How about the idea that the change in the AoE cap also applied to mobs combined with some other, unintended calculation? It's really the only across the board change I can think of. Then again, invisible opponents in PvP doesn't seem to have a simple root cause, either, so it might not be something with a simple correlation to a single intended change in the update.

Could be, good idea

cpuScientist · February 2017

Asmael wrote: »

cpuScientist wrote: »

For sure same has increased it seems like we are getting minor vulnerability put on us. It seems to be across the board, I was tanking vcoa and usually lorlorlor I am Lorde but today he was smashing me, I mean it was not tithe point that I could not take it, but it was noticeably higher.

I have no way to test but VMoL also seems to be higher and I'm getting reports of hardmode mage doing maybe the atros applying minor vulnerability...

If that's the case, finding some scamp doing lightning damage and testing whether damage is constant or changes (and whether a debuffs popz up) is the way to go.

It's suspicious tho, MoL isn't exactly known for throwing lightning damage around.

Yeah I didn't have time to test with guild stuff going on and duels. But I'll get back on and tester out.

Seido_Tensei_ · February 2017

EvoAZN wrote: »

In pvp damage is so much stronger now. I used to be able to tank 8+ players but now 3 and I die. Death recap shows low numbers but I die faster now than before. We do more damage but we also take more damage.

Good, glad tanks are dieing faster in pvp.

Inig0 · February 2017

You know last night when we were doing vaa our healers, well healer the other doesnt speak, were complaining about increased damage overall to the group. We all just attributed it to minor vulnerability being applied by lightning attacks since there were lightning atros and such proccing concussed on us.

Pallio · February 2017

Vma is rediculous now, getting hit a lot harder and doing let damage now.

Strider_Roshin · February 2017

This thread pleases me

Kammakazi · February 2017

Mojmir wrote: »

LOL

Pallio · February 2017

I wonder if - 1- Mob/Bosses Benefit from the new staff bonuses and 2- Our pen is being discarded and not increasing our dmg output. That is what it seems like anyway.

Pallio · February 2017

Has anyone rested dmg with non sharp weapons vs. sharp, will try that too.

UppGRAYxDD · February 2017

Zos considers all mobs "Pets" of the Trial Bosses and therefore got buffed

cpuScientist · February 2017

Our damage is higher, not as noticeable on my magolar as he uses dual wield, but on sorcs nightblade DK the damage is up despite the nerf to warhorn. Just the damage we are taking seems to have gone up in tandem lol.

Valve · February 2017

Could be the changes to lightning?
Concussion now applies minor vulnerability instead of minor maim.
Noticeable damage changes on trash, perhaps?

That's all I can really think of.

cpuScientist · February 2017

There is no fire or lightning that I can remember in VMoL. Maybe they are wielding staves or something don't know it's weird that it's happening in VMoL...

Valve · February 2017

cpuScientist wrote: »

There is no fire or lightning that I can remember in VMoL. Maybe they are wielding staves or something don't know it's weird that it's happening in VMoL...

The player's lightning attacks.
They would previously reduce damage of mobs by 15% when concussion procs.

A few sorcs = a surprising amount of uptime.

Liofa · February 2017

Can it be something about the AOE caps change ? Maybe mobs have their share from it as well and now that AOE caps are reduced , they will be doing more damage with AOE skills to targets after the first 6 .

Just a theory , didn't test . May be the case here .

cpuScientist · February 2017

Valve wrote: »

cpuScientist wrote: »

There is no fire or lightning that I can remember in VMoL. Maybe they are wielding staves or something don't know it's weird that it's happening in VMoL...

The player's lightning attacks.
They would previously reduce damage of mobs by 15% when concussion procs.

A few sorcs = a surprising amount of uptime.

I meant of the mobs or bosses doing to us. Not us to them.

cheemers · February 2017

Valve wrote: »

cpuScientist wrote: »

There is no fire or lightning that I can remember in VMoL. Maybe they are wielding staves or something don't know it's weird that it's happening in VMoL...

The player's lightning attacks.
They would previously reduce damage of mobs by 15% when concussion procs.

A few sorcs = a surprising amount of uptime.

This is most likely the case to be honest. You feel like your damage is higher but mobs are also hitting you harder because your sorcs are proccing minor vulnerability now rather than minor maim.

AnnieBeGood · February 2017

I think the 'power creep' might have got a little nerf

About time....

Nifty2g · February 2017

No it's not minor vulnerability. Maw of lorkhaj doesn't have lightning

Wanderer202 · February 2017

Nifty2g wrote: »

No it's not minor vulnerability. Maw of lorkhaj doesn't have lightning

cpuScientist wrote: »

There is no fire or lightning that I can remember in VMoL. Maybe they are wielding staves or something don't know it's weird that it's happening in VMoL...

WE KNOW, but SORCEROR lightning NO LONGER REDUCES MOB DAMAGE, and so the mobs will do more damage. It's not ABOUT the mobs doing lightning damage, it's about the lightning damage the PARTY is doing no longer reducing the damage of the mobs.

t3hdubzy · February 2017

I have to say this makes total sense about the lightning change. Also realized that I missed that in the natch potes. Do they have consolidate natch potes into one overall potes of natchez?

Valve · February 2017

Nifty2g wrote: »

No it's not minor vulnerability. Maw of lorkhaj doesn't have lightning

Nothing to do with mobs using lightning.
Before this patch, players using lightning attacks would reduce the mob's damage dealt to the players by 15%, because of minor maim from concussion procs.

This patch, minor vulnerability is applied to the mobs from concussion increasing the damage mobs take instead.

Pallio · February 2017

In vMA, atleast, it does not appear that the pen. stat is working so that could be a factor. Also not sure the 3pc set bonus, 5% bonus may not be working on VO/Moondance etc. Something is broken for sure..

Nifty2g · February 2017

Wanderer202 wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

No it's not minor vulnerability. Maw of lorkhaj doesn't have lightning

cpuScientist wrote: »

There is no fire or lightning that I can remember in VMoL. Maybe they are wielding staves or something don't know it's weird that it's happening in VMoL...

WE KNOW, but SORCEROR lightning NO LONGER REDUCES MOB DAMAGE, and so the mobs will do more damage. It's not ABOUT the mobs doing lightning damage, it's about the lightning damage the PARTY is doing no longer reducing the damage of the mobs.

Valve wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

No it's not minor vulnerability. Maw of lorkhaj doesn't have lightning

Nothing to do with mobs using lightning.
Before this patch, players using lightning attacks would reduce the mob's damage dealt to the players by 15%, because of minor maim from concussion procs.

This patch, minor vulnerability is applied to the mobs from concussion increasing the damage mobs take instead.

Your tanks would be doing maim with talons and low slash... at least I was. It's not that.