Confessions of a Dunmer Hater

Dark_Claw · February 2017

The only game in which I've tolerated Dunmer is Skyrim, just because I could visit Windhelm and see them reduced to the blubbering little n'wahs they accuse everyone else of being. They sure don't mind belittling foreigners until they're forced into seeking their help, in which case they'll whine about being oppressed because nobody likes or trusts them when it's entirely their own fault. There's nothing more satisfying than seeing Dunmer pride and dignity being completely shattered by karma.

WuffyCerulei · February 2017

I can't play as a Dunmer PERIOD, because they horribly treated Khajiit and Argonians, my favorite races. So I made a khajiit magickaDK Black-Star, a dark kitter who's angry at generally nothing.

darkllord · February 2017

You are truly disgrace to our superior master race! ....:-)

starkerealm · February 2017

darkllord wrote: »

You are truly disgrace to our superior master race! ....:-)

Pssst, dude, they're not a Breton.

Mettaricana · February 2017

I play almost entirely elves they hot and I get tired of playing human irl

starkerealm · February 2017

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

7. Humans have this guy on their side who was an actual Demi-God and slaughtered legions of Ayleids single handed.

Alternately, he might be a time traveling cyborg. The lore is a bit... weird.

starkerealm · February 2017

MythicEmperor wrote: »

JinMori wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

JinMori wrote: »

From my understanding of the elder scrolls lore, most high elves are not like the thalmor.

@JinMori, the Dunmer are straight up ******** though.

Let's see how hard I can trigger @MythicEmperor.

The Tribunal Temple aren't "really" gods. They were five buddies: Indoril Nerevar, Almalexia, Sotha Sil, Vivec, and Dagoth Ur, who went to fight the Dwarves. When they were ready to assault the Dwarven stronghold, the Dwemer made a slight miscalculation and either beamed up, or obliterated themselves. Nerevar and Dagoth Ur went in to poke around and figure out what happened, while Almalexia, Sotha Sil, and Vivec chilled outside. Nerevar and Dagoth Ur found the tools the dwarves used, and Nerevar told Dagoth Ur to keep an eye on them, while he went to check in on his buddies.

Then, Nerevar's wife murdered him, with the help of Sotha Sil andn Vivec. They went back in, attacked Dagoth Ur, and then used those tools (The Heart of Lorkhan) to turn themselves into godlike beings. This pissed off a daedric prince (Azura, if you're wondering), who proceeded to alter the Chimer (who looked basically like Altmer at this point) singing their skin, turning their eyes red, in retribution for the hubris of those three. They then claimed, "no, really guys, we're gods now. Dagoth Ur went mad, and murdered Nerevar."

Yeah, no, the Dunmer are hypocrites and ********. They also follow false gods. As in, literally, the Tribunal are simply mortals, who used a divine artifact to gain immense power. Vivec pretends he's all knowing and wise, but if his logic seems a bit flimsy... that's because he's making it up as he goes. Almalexia is a shallow *****, with incredibly thin skin, who will gleefully murder people because she feels they're not adoring her enough. And, Sotha Sil doesn't care about much of anything, so long as he's got toys to play with.

So... yeah. That's the Dunmer.

Well, yes, dunmer are ***, and daedric prince worshippers, also false god worshippers, and slavers, but i really like the passives.

What's wrong with any of that?

I believe the word you missed was, "Eeeeevil."

Kawall · February 2017

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

@Kawall
Furry hates pointy ears, how funny. Breton's will rule all Tamriel one day. HUMAN MASTER RACE. Death to all non-humans.

That's all good and stuff, except you do know that Breton's are half Elf right?
Also as we learn in Morrowind, not all Dunmer worship the "Tribunral" and not all support slavery. There is even a side quest in Morrowind where you help break the "Dres Family" by liberating Argonian Slaves.

They aren't half elf. For half elf one of your parents must be an elf. But they have some elf genetics from millennials ago.

starkerealm · February 2017

Kawall wrote: »

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

@Kawall
Furry hates pointy ears, how funny. Breton's will rule all Tamriel one day. HUMAN MASTER RACE. Death to all non-humans.

That's all good and stuff, except you do know that Breton's are half Elf right?
Also as we learn in Morrowind, not all Dunmer worship the "Tribunral" and not all support slavery. There is even a side quest in Morrowind where you help break the "Dres Family" by liberating Argonian Slaves.

They aren't half elf. For half elf one of your parents must be an elf. But they have some elf genetics from millennials ago.

No, half-elf is correct. It's actually how Arena identified them during character creation.

Uriel_Nocturne · February 2017

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Glaiceana wrote: »

What a great read! Really enjoyed your post @ArchMikem I also have a dislike for Dunmer slavers, it's terrible what they did to the Argonians and other races, but I agree that they aren't all bad, just the crazy ones

*What we do to the Argonians
House Telvanni knows no allegiance to the Pact, N'wah

What the N'wah don't understand is that; in Sadrith Mora, we have no problems with the Argonians.

We think everyone should own one or two of them.

The_Lex · February 2017

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

The_Patriarch wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

You do realize Mer were created and formed by and from much more powerful spirits and long before Men existed.

I'm positive Magnus was Mer.

Men are later formed and more closely related to animals and beasts.

Inherently Mer are more sophisticated and powerful.

Mer are more closely related to Divinity

Why, would you, Man-Beast, think you can compare to that which is of a God?

No, no, no. Nope. Spend some time in the Imperial Library.

Waffennacht wrote: »

You do realize Mer were created and formed by and from much more powerful spirits and long before Men existed.

I'm positive Magnus was Mer.

Men are later formed and more closely related to animals and beasts.

Inherently Mer are more sophisticated and powerful.

Mer are more closely related to Divinity

Why, would you, Man-Beast, think you can compare to that which is of a God?

Because the elven belief is actually wrong, Humans and Elves both Descend from the same ancestor only elves try to deny it.

BINGO! Unless, of course, you take this view: Children of the Sky

Nords consider themselves to be the children of the sky. They call Skyrim the Throat of the World, because it is where the sky exhaled on the land and formed them.

The_Lex · February 2017

starkerealm wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

7. Humans have this guy on their side who was an actual Demi-God and slaughtered legions of Ayleids single handed.

Alternately, he might be a time traveling cyborg. The lore is a bit... weird.

Only if you are Michael Kirkbride.

starkerealm · February 2017

The_Patriarch wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

7. Humans have this guy on their side who was an actual Demi-God and slaughtered legions of Ayleids single handed.

Alternately, he might be a time traveling cyborg. The lore is a bit... weird.

Only if you are Michale Kirkbride.

No, if you're Michael Kirkbride, the lore seems normal to you.

MythicEmperor · February 2017

starkerealm wrote: »

darkllord wrote: »

You are truly disgrace to our superior master race! ....:-)

Pssst, dude, they're not a Breton.

Mut

starkerealm wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

JinMori wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

JinMori wrote: »

From my understanding of the elder scrolls lore, most high elves are not like the thalmor.

@JinMori, the Dunmer are straight up ******** though.

Let's see how hard I can trigger @MythicEmperor.

The Tribunal Temple aren't "really" gods. They were five buddies: Indoril Nerevar, Almalexia, Sotha Sil, Vivec, and Dagoth Ur, who went to fight the Dwarves. When they were ready to assault the Dwarven stronghold, the Dwemer made a slight miscalculation and either beamed up, or obliterated themselves. Nerevar and Dagoth Ur went in to poke around and figure out what happened, while Almalexia, Sotha Sil, and Vivec chilled outside. Nerevar and Dagoth Ur found the tools the dwarves used, and Nerevar told Dagoth Ur to keep an eye on them, while he went to check in on his buddies.

Then, Nerevar's wife murdered him, with the help of Sotha Sil andn Vivec. They went back in, attacked Dagoth Ur, and then used those tools (The Heart of Lorkhan) to turn themselves into godlike beings. This pissed off a daedric prince (Azura, if you're wondering), who proceeded to alter the Chimer (who looked basically like Altmer at this point) singing their skin, turning their eyes red, in retribution for the hubris of those three. They then claimed, "no, really guys, we're gods now. Dagoth Ur went mad, and murdered Nerevar."

Yeah, no, the Dunmer are hypocrites and ********. They also follow false gods. As in, literally, the Tribunal are simply mortals, who used a divine artifact to gain immense power. Vivec pretends he's all knowing and wise, but if his logic seems a bit flimsy... that's because he's making it up as he goes. Almalexia is a shallow *****, with incredibly thin skin, who will gleefully murder people because she feels they're not adoring her enough. And, Sotha Sil doesn't care about much of anything, so long as he's got toys to play with.

So... yeah. That's the Dunmer.

Well, yes, dunmer are ***, and daedric prince worshippers, also false god worshippers, and slavers, but i really like the passives.

What's wrong with any of that?

I believe the word you missed was, "Eeeeevil."

What is evil, and who are we to define it?

darkllord wrote: »

You are truly disgrace to our superior master race! ....:-)

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Glaiceana wrote: »

What a great read! Really enjoyed your post @ArchMikem I also have a dislike for Dunmer slavers, it's terrible what they did to the Argonians and other races, but I agree that they aren't all bad, just the crazy ones

*What we do to the Argonians
House Telvanni knows no allegiance to the Pact, N'wah

What the N'wah don't understand is that; in Sadrith Mora, we have no problems with the Argonians.

We think everyone should own one or two of them.

These guys get it ^^^^

I must disagree, however, because I recommend owning at least 30

Kawall · February 2017

starkerealm wrote: »

Kawall wrote: »

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

@Kawall
Furry hates pointy ears, how funny. Breton's will rule all Tamriel one day. HUMAN MASTER RACE. Death to all non-humans.

That's all good and stuff, except you do know that Breton's are half Elf right?
Also as we learn in Morrowind, not all Dunmer worship the "Tribunral" and not all support slavery. There is even a side quest in Morrowind where you help break the "Dres Family" by liberating Argonian Slaves.

They aren't half elf. For half elf one of your parents must be an elf. But they have some elf genetics from millennials ago.

No, half-elf is correct. It's actually how Arena identified them during character creation.

No it isn't

starkerealm · February 2017

MythicEmperor wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

I believe the word you missed was, "Eeeeevil."

What is evil, and who are we to define it?

Well, to your first questions. Slavers. Telvanni. Also, House Telvanni Slavers.

To your second, people who are not in the previously mentioned categories.

Uriel_Nocturne · February 2017

MythicEmperor wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

darkllord wrote: »

You are truly disgrace to our superior master race! ....:-)

Pssst, dude, they're not a Breton.

starkerealm wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

JinMori wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

JinMori wrote: »

From my understanding of the elder scrolls lore, most high elves are not like the thalmor.

@JinMori, the Dunmer are straight up ******** though.

Let's see how hard I can trigger @MythicEmperor.

The Tribunal Temple aren't "really" gods. They were five buddies: Indoril Nerevar, Almalexia, Sotha Sil, Vivec, and Dagoth Ur, who went to fight the Dwarves. When they were ready to assault the Dwarven stronghold, the Dwemer made a slight miscalculation and either beamed up, or obliterated themselves. Nerevar and Dagoth Ur went in to poke around and figure out what happened, while Almalexia, Sotha Sil, and Vivec chilled outside. Nerevar and Dagoth Ur found the tools the dwarves used, and Nerevar told Dagoth Ur to keep an eye on them, while he went to check in on his buddies.

Then, Nerevar's wife murdered him, with the help of Sotha Sil andn Vivec. They went back in, attacked Dagoth Ur, and then used those tools (The Heart of Lorkhan) to turn themselves into godlike beings. This pissed off a daedric prince (Azura, if you're wondering), who proceeded to alter the Chimer (who looked basically like Altmer at this point) singing their skin, turning their eyes red, in retribution for the hubris of those three. They then claimed, "no, really guys, we're gods now. Dagoth Ur went mad, and murdered Nerevar."

Yeah, no, the Dunmer are hypocrites and ********. They also follow false gods. As in, literally, the Tribunal are simply mortals, who used a divine artifact to gain immense power. Vivec pretends he's all knowing and wise, but if his logic seems a bit flimsy... that's because he's making it up as he goes. Almalexia is a shallow *****, with incredibly thin skin, who will gleefully murder people because she feels they're not adoring her enough. And, Sotha Sil doesn't care about much of anything, so long as he's got toys to play with.

So... yeah. That's the Dunmer.

Well, yes, dunmer are ***, and daedric prince worshippers, also false god worshippers, and slavers, but i really like the passives.

What's wrong with any of that?

I believe the word you missed was, "Eeeeevil."

darkllord wrote: »

You are truly disgrace to our superior master race! ....:-)

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Glaiceana wrote: »

What a great read! Really enjoyed your post @ArchMikem I also have a dislike for Dunmer slavers, it's terrible what they did to the Argonians and other races, but I agree that they aren't all bad, just the crazy ones

*What we do to the Argonians
House Telvanni knows no allegiance to the Pact, N'wah

What the N'wah don't understand is that; in Sadrith Mora, we have no problems with the Argonians.

We think everyone should own one or two of them.

These guys get it ^^^^

I must disagree, however, because I recommend owning at least 30

It does make the work go faster...

bertenburnyb16_ESO · February 2017

So Much hate ...

MythicEmperor · February 2017

bertenburnyb16_ESO wrote: »

So Much hate ...

Ignore the petty N'wahs that infest our lands. We will rise up and destroy them, soon enough....

starkerealm · February 2017

MythicEmperor wrote: »

bertenburnyb16_ESO wrote: »

So Much hate ...

Ignore the petty N'wahs that infest our lands. We will rise up and destroy them, soon enough....

...when? You're scheduled to have your teeth kicked in at the end of the Second Era. After that, you're scheduled to be melted early in the Fourth Era.

MythicEmperor · February 2017

starkerealm wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

bertenburnyb16_ESO wrote: »

So Much hate ...

Ignore the petty N'wahs that infest our lands. We will rise up and destroy them, soon enough....

...when? You're scheduled to have your teeth kicked in at the end of the Second Era. After that, you're scheduled to be melted early in the Fourth Era.

Not from my cozy tower in Port Telvannis

starkerealm · February 2017

MythicEmperor wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

bertenburnyb16_ESO wrote: »

So Much hate ...

Ignore the petty N'wahs that infest our lands. We will rise up and destroy them, soon enough....

...when? You're scheduled to have your teeth kicked in at the end of the Second Era. After that, you're scheduled to be melted early in the Fourth Era.

Not from my cozy tower in Port Telvannis

Given that Sadrith Mora was flash fried, I can't imagine things were that cheery on the Telvanni Islands after Red Mountain went nuclear.

dodgehopper_ESO · February 2017

@ArchMikem I am in agreement with you in the sense that the Dunmer to me are a race that I love to hate. They're great foils. The heroes among them shine all the more brightly, even if flawed at times. The best example is the woman who was the leader of the Twin Lamps in Morrowind. Her name was Ilmeni Dren of House Hlaalu, one of the worst Houses for slavery, theft and murder. I can understand why you enjoy playing that conceptually.

I'd like to add though that you have forgotten a non human, non elf race which shines at magic. Why not try the Argonian? While a magDK Argonian would not have the same damage output as a Dunmer it WOULD be a tougher character and superior at healing, which yes DK's can do. Between potion bonuses and ultimate-to-resources regen you'd be a tireless character. You don't have to play Dunmer in other words. Argonians are one of my favorite races in TES. They aren't perfect but I love the ones with the peaceful outlook on life and their sense of persistence. There is a lot noble about the Argonians, so I recommend you check them out!

MythicEmperor · February 2017

starkerealm wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

bertenburnyb16_ESO wrote: »

So Much hate ...

Ignore the petty N'wahs that infest our lands. We will rise up and destroy them, soon enough....

...when? You're scheduled to have your teeth kicked in at the end of the Second Era. After that, you're scheduled to be melted early in the Fourth Era.

Not from my cozy tower in Port Telvannis

Given that Sadrith Mora was flash fried, I can't imagine things were that cheery on the Telvanni Islands after Red Mountain went nuclear.

Well, in Skyrim, Master Neloth states that the Telvanni still have holdings in Vvardenfell, which would indicate otherwise. Either way, it is unlikely that Port Telvannis received anything more than a bit of ash.

MythicEmperor · February 2017

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

@ArchMikem I am in agreement with you in the sense that the Dunmer to me are a race that I love to hate. They're great foils. The heroes among them shine all the more brightly, even if flawed at times. The best example is the woman who was the leader of the Twin Lamps in Morrowind. Her name was Ilmeni Dren of House Hlaalu, one of the worst Houses for slavery, theft and murder. I can understand why you enjoy playing that conceptually.

I'd like to add though that you have forgotten a non human, non elf race which shines at magic. Why not try the Argonian? While a magDK Argonian would not have the same damage output as a Dunmer it WOULD be a tougher character and superior at healing, which yes DK's can do. Between potion bonuses and ultimate-to-resources regen you'd be a tireless character. You don't have to play Dunmer in other words. Argonians are one of my favorite races in TES. They aren't perfect but I love the ones with the peaceful outlook on life and their sense of persistence. There is a lot noble about the Argonians, so I recommend you check them out!

Argonians are fit for nothing more than servitude. Was it their "peaceful outlook" that caused them to slaughter my kin in the 4th era? They are beasts, just like any other, no better than the common skeever.

dodgehopper_ESO · February 2017

MythicEmperor wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

@ArchMikem I am in agreement with you in the sense that the Dunmer to me are a race that I love to hate. They're great foils. The heroes among them shine all the more brightly, even if flawed at times. The best example is the woman who was the leader of the Twin Lamps in Morrowind. Her name was Ilmeni Dren of House Hlaalu, one of the worst Houses for slavery, theft and murder. I can understand why you enjoy playing that conceptually.

I'd like to add though that you have forgotten a non human, non elf race which shines at magic. Why not try the Argonian? While a magDK Argonian would not have the same damage output as a Dunmer it WOULD be a tougher character and superior at healing, which yes DK's can do. Between potion bonuses and ultimate-to-resources regen you'd be a tireless character. You don't have to play Dunmer in other words. Argonians are one of my favorite races in TES. They aren't perfect but I love the ones with the peaceful outlook on life and their sense of persistence. There is a lot noble about the Argonians, so I recommend you check them out!

Argonians are fit for nothing more than servitude. Was it their "peaceful outlook" that caused them to slaughter my kin in the 4th era? They are beasts, just like any other, no better than the common skeever.

They Dunmer had it coming. Their gods are gods of ***, murder, deceit, treachery, *** and other vile things. Dunmer are generally scum, its that simple really. Which is why I think Vivec was trying to change the course with something new. The issue of their ideology is important because they espouse these vile things as noble. Imperials at least have virtues intermixed.

ArchMikem · February 2017

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

4. In the majority of historic battles between Men and Mer, the Elves Lost, Snow Elves attacked Saathal and Got wiped out by the Nords, Ayleids tried to Enslsave the Alesians and got wiped out by the Nedes.. Your just lucky the Nords haven't decided to go wipe out all elven kind because knowing their track record they may very well succeed.

And of course the Great War of the 4th Era, where the combined efforts of the Cyrod, Nord, and Breton Legions turned the tide of a lost fight and utterly curb stomped the Elves back out of Cyrodiil.

TX12001rwb17_ESO · February 2017

The_Patriarch wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

The_Patriarch wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

You do realize Mer were created and formed by and from much more powerful spirits and long before Men existed.

I'm positive Magnus was Mer.

Men are later formed and more closely related to animals and beasts.

Inherently Mer are more sophisticated and powerful.

Mer are more closely related to Divinity

Why, would you, Man-Beast, think you can compare to that which is of a God?

No, no, no. Nope. Spend some time in the Imperial Library.

Waffennacht wrote: »

You do realize Mer were created and formed by and from much more powerful spirits and long before Men existed.

I'm positive Magnus was Mer.

Men are later formed and more closely related to animals and beasts.

Inherently Mer are more sophisticated and powerful.

Mer are more closely related to Divinity

Why, would you, Man-Beast, think you can compare to that which is of a God?

Because the elven belief is actually wrong, Humans and Elves both Descend from the same ancestor only elves try to deny it.

BINGO! Unless, of course, you take this view: Children of the Sky

Nords consider themselves to be the children of the sky. They call Skyrim the Throat of the World, because it is where the sky exhaled on the land and formed them.

That would make Nords are supreme Race then.

MLGProPlayer · February 2017

They started out as devil worshippers. Then they moved onto worshipping fake gods, so their former demonic overlords punished them by making them look like rats. Now they live in mushroom huts and practice slavery. However, they even fail at that as the best they could do was enslave a bunch of talking cats and lizards.

Dunmer are an embarassmebt to elfkind.

starkerealm · February 2017

MythicEmperor wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

bertenburnyb16_ESO wrote: »

So Much hate ...

Ignore the petty N'wahs that infest our lands. We will rise up and destroy them, soon enough....

...when? You're scheduled to have your teeth kicked in at the end of the Second Era. After that, you're scheduled to be melted early in the Fourth Era.

Not from my cozy tower in Port Telvannis

Given that Sadrith Mora was flash fried, I can't imagine things were that cheery on the Telvanni Islands after Red Mountain went nuclear.

Well, in Skyrim, Master Neloth states that the Telvanni still have holdings in Vvardenfell, which would indicate otherwise. Either way, it is unlikely that Port Telvannis received anything more than a bit of ash.

Granted, it's been awhile, but I could have sworn there was throwaway dialog in Windhelm about the Red Year seriously messing up the mainland in addition to Vvardenfell. Regardless, it's pretty clear Morrowind is not in a good state in 4e202.