new Ancient Knowledge passive (2.7.5)

Olupajmibanan · February 2017

Dracane wrote: »

SublimeSparo wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Other weapon lines have things like "Increases your damage with dual wield abilities"
And destro has the limitation to have one abilitiy slotted, but it grants all other abilities the bonus.

And what's the problem with slotting wall of elements ? EVERYONE does this in pve, it's a must have dps ability for any comptetitive magicka DD and it is so easy to use and it's even usefull in pvp. I honestly don't see an issue with finding at least 1 Destro abilitiy that fits your build. I know, destrucive touch is extremely poor, elemental drain is no longer relevant because you can have Templar aoe draning everything with radiant aura, impulse is very weak and force pulse gets outdamage by a large margin by your puncturing sweeps.

But wall of elements, that's really good.

The problem is vMA staves.
The drop rate on sharpened vma inferno staffs is quite frankly *** atrocious, to the point where even just getting a vma inferno of any trait is tedious, so most just backbar whatever lousy trait vma staff they get and put woe there, take the small dps hit while on back bar but gain net damage overall.
Moving woe to the front bar would require a sharpened vma staff for the front bar, so for nb's still using strife and dk's who don't typically run force pulse, it's a bit of kick in the balls

I see. Yes.
Though, wall of elements should still be best in slot, no matter what staff you are carrying. Maelstrom staff in combination with Woe is essential if you want maximum potential. But you should in any case slot woe, so that's no excuse.

Am I still missing something? In case of Destro/Destro with no destro ability on the front bar, just slotting WoE to back bar enables the passive even for front bar? Didn't know that.

I thought that any slot-reliant passive is working only on the bar with the ability slotted.

In this case it' fine, every magicka class runs WoE on the back bar.

Masel · February 2017

Aquanova wrote: »

It stinks. As a magicka dk try using Igneous Weapons now with a HA. Basically made Igneous more useless.

@Aquanova, did you mean molten armaments with heavy attacks ? If you think that is useless now, check out the dk build in my signature.

Gandrhulf_Harbard · February 2017

datgladiatah wrote: »

Also most builds run a maelstrom staff

Given how many people are on these forums daily complaining about how hard it is to get a useable Maelstrom weapon I think your "almost all builds" may be somewhat exaggerated.

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lucky_Sage · February 2017

don't you like that though destroy has to slot a ablity to get dmg from it but stam weapons don't. not a hate on stam but in balance it doesn't make since why one has to sacrifice but other doesn't

notimetocare · February 2017

xeNNNNN wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

AzuraKin wrote: »

no idea, but dont matter to me, i dont use staffs on most of my mage builds, and the 1 that does, only uses it because even at 1600 regen, sorcs need heavy attacks to maintain resources in extended fights (i.e. boss fights)

WHAT?! I sustain just fine with 800 recovery, without doing a single heavy attack. Its called group support through Orbs and Elemental Drain (Minor Magickasteal now).

you shouldnt rely so much on healers for magicka sustain tbh (buffs as well).

I mean okay sure you can hit way harder if you dont need to have any focus on sustain yourself but id rather have a healer healing me 100% of the time instead of me dying because they were trying to buff or give resource boosts.

You dont understand endgame... LOL
Healers in eso are support, not simply mana batteries playing health whackamole

jircris11 · February 2017

Minalan wrote: »

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

So I can't get the bonus for fire staff heavy attack without giving up slot for a useless ability?

Balance is all about making sacrifices, not getting free goodies.

People are all upset because their op bills need to be re worked lol. My guild all butt hurt over proc not criting

Enslaved · February 2017

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

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gentomann · February 2017

do i get this right: aoe skills i cast do more aoe dmg if casted on lightning staff bar, and still do when i swap to inferno bar as long as the dot (blockade) is running?

runagate · February 2017

Dracane wrote: »

SublimeSparo wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Other weapon lines have things like "Increases your damage with dual wield abilities"
And destro has the limitation to have one abilitiy slotted, but it grants all other abilities the bonus.

And what's the problem with slotting wall of elements ? EVERYONE does this in pve, it's a must have dps ability for any comptetitive magicka DD and it is so easy to use and it's even usefull in pvp. I honestly don't see an issue with finding at least 1 Destro abilitiy that fits your build. I know, destrucive touch is extremely poor, elemental drain is no longer relevant because you can have Templar aoe draning everything with radiant aura, impulse is very weak and force pulse gets outdamage by a large margin by your puncturing sweeps.

But wall of elements, that's really good.

The problem is vMA staves.
The drop rate on sharpened vma inferno staffs is quite frankly *** atrocious, to the point where even just getting a vma inferno of any trait is tedious, so most just backbar whatever lousy trait vma staff they get and put woe there, take the small dps hit while on back bar but gain net damage overall.
Moving woe to the front bar would require a sharpened vma staff for the front bar, so for nb's still using strife and dk's who don't typically run force pulse, it's a bit of kick in the balls

I see. Yes.
Though, wall of elements should still be best in slot, no matter what staff you are carrying. Maelstrom staff in combination with Woe is essential if you want maximum potential. But you should in any case slot woe, so that's no excuse.

I suspect that's not the case for Nightblade and Path in this patch. I've been running around doing writs and farming too much to have even remembered to check.

Cinbri · February 2017

At least for templar there is no sacrifice - slot Frost Ult will proc reduce block passive, so literally magplar by wearing magickal snb can use best offensive ult.