[Bug?] Noticeable damage increase in trials

cpuScientist · February 2017

Nifty2g wrote: »

Wanderer202 wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

No it's not minor vulnerability. Maw of lorkhaj doesn't have lightning

cpuScientist wrote: »

There is no fire or lightning that I can remember in VMoL. Maybe they are wielding staves or something don't know it's weird that it's happening in VMoL...

WE KNOW, but SORCEROR lightning NO LONGER REDUCES MOB DAMAGE, and so the mobs will do more damage. It's not ABOUT the mobs doing lightning damage, it's about the lightning damage the PARTY is doing no longer reducing the damage of the mobs.

Valve wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

No it's not minor vulnerability. Maw of lorkhaj doesn't have lightning

Nothing to do with mobs using lightning.
Before this patch, players using lightning attacks would reduce the mob's damage dealt to the players by 15%, because of minor maim from concussion procs.

This patch, minor vulnerability is applied to the mobs from concussion increasing the damage mobs take instead.

Your tanks would be doing maim with talons and low slash... at least I was. It's not that.

This lol

Valve · February 2017

Nifty2g wrote: »

Wanderer202 wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

No it's not minor vulnerability. Maw of lorkhaj doesn't have lightning

cpuScientist wrote: »

There is no fire or lightning that I can remember in VMoL. Maybe they are wielding staves or something don't know it's weird that it's happening in VMoL...

WE KNOW, but SORCEROR lightning NO LONGER REDUCES MOB DAMAGE, and so the mobs will do more damage. It's not ABOUT the mobs doing lightning damage, it's about the lightning damage the PARTY is doing no longer reducing the damage of the mobs.

Valve wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

No it's not minor vulnerability. Maw of lorkhaj doesn't have lightning

Nothing to do with mobs using lightning.
Before this patch, players using lightning attacks would reduce the mob's damage dealt to the players by 15%, because of minor maim from concussion procs.

This patch, minor vulnerability is applied to the mobs from concussion increasing the damage mobs take instead.

Your tanks would be doing maim with talons and low slash... at least I was. It's not that.

I'm fully aware of that, except your original post didn't even mention tanking -- only damage in trials in general.

And I doubt you're manually applying minor maim to all trash mobs at all times.

Not to mention you write "we" seemingly referring to the whole group, not just the tanks.

But yeah, if there are any issues, ZoS will look into it (and eventually fix). I haven't heard anyone from my group's raid today say anything about a noticeable damage increase.

Nifty2g · February 2017

Valve wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Wanderer202 wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

No it's not minor vulnerability. Maw of lorkhaj doesn't have lightning

cpuScientist wrote: »

There is no fire or lightning that I can remember in VMoL. Maybe they are wielding staves or something don't know it's weird that it's happening in VMoL...

WE KNOW, but SORCEROR lightning NO LONGER REDUCES MOB DAMAGE, and so the mobs will do more damage. It's not ABOUT the mobs doing lightning damage, it's about the lightning damage the PARTY is doing no longer reducing the damage of the mobs.

Valve wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

No it's not minor vulnerability. Maw of lorkhaj doesn't have lightning

Nothing to do with mobs using lightning.
Before this patch, players using lightning attacks would reduce the mob's damage dealt to the players by 15%, because of minor maim from concussion procs.

This patch, minor vulnerability is applied to the mobs from concussion increasing the damage mobs take instead.

Your tanks would be doing maim with talons and low slash... at least I was. It's not that.

I'm fully aware of that, except your original post didn't even mention tanking -- only damage in trials in general.

And I doubt you're manually applying minor maim to all trash mobs at all times.

Not to mention you write "we" seemingly referring to the whole group, not just the tanks.

But yeah, if there are any issues, ZoS will look into it (and eventually fix). I haven't heard anyone from my group's raid today say anything about a noticeable damage increase.

I said it was across the board and that I noticed taking increased damage as a tank too.
I'm applying maim to all mobs by using talons (in large aoe) otherwise just heroic slash everything

Nifty2g · February 2017

People have also been saying damage feels off in dungeons too.
@ZOS_Finn any possible updates on anything unusual ?

Shyl · February 2017

I noticed it in vMA at first but there is a very noticable change in the incoming damage in trial.
Yesterday in vAA, Valariel explosion was clearly different than previously and we ended up with 2-3 players dying on each explosion (always being hit by a simultanous ~ 8k+10k). We were leaving 1 add alive and were using nova for mitigation, which usually is more than enough to keep everyone alive.
I did not notice anything odd on the two atros but the fight with the mage also seemed different than usual.

KaiDynasty · February 2017

Probably is the lighting staff changes + aoe cap

KaiDynasty · February 2017

Seido_Tensei_ wrote: »

EvoAZN wrote: »

In pvp damage is so much stronger now. I used to be able to tank 8+ players but now 3 and I die. Death recap shows low numbers but I die faster now than before. We do more damage but we also take more damage.

Good, glad tanks are dieing faster in pvp.

Because tanks must die faster right?

Nifty2g · February 2017

KaiDynasty wrote: »

Probably is the lighting staff changes + aoe cap

No I don't believe so, there is no lightning in vmol and tanks apply maim, or should be.
AOE caps don't really affect on bosses where damage is being noticed too.

Greydir · February 2017

Similar experience with vCoS on Patch day. We got the feeling that a) we got more incomming Damage in our group and b) there seemed to be some Tweak to Velidreth mechanics (more Orbs from her and much higher adspawnrates, while adds spawned in correlation to player death, wich in turn happened more often because of more incoming damage). Also we got the impression, that the movement speed of adds has gone up (especially the horavors)

Did vSO yesterday though and experienced hightend damage especially in the Poison phases at the Serpent.

SublimeSparo · February 2017

Someone test if they broke mitigation CP

Shader_Shibes · February 2017

In vWGT yesterday, especially on last boss her random shock blast things seemed to hit harder. vCoS/mazza hm seemed fine.

Horowonnoe · February 2017

I noticed this issue too. First in vMA mobs seemed to hit harder and then today during a raid, some people noticed much more incoming damage as well.

SickDuck · February 2017

I haven't been in trials the last 2 days but vdungeons seem to be slightly harder now. In BC2 the last keeper (Imiril?) was spamming her big aoe constantly instead of once after appearing from the bubbles. Malubeth in WS2 was putting down her ground snares much faster. Nothing real gamechanger but there were a few noticeable changes.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · February 2017

We ran VMOL tonight and I honestly can't say I could tell any difference in damage. The only weird part was that in the second shield phase on the first boss, he simply wiped the whole raid. We all had one hit on our recaps for like 23k. Could have just been bad spacing, but it was a first. Our damage if anything was higher. We aren't the best test group as we run a lot of Templars and the patch wasnt exactly friendly to them. My sorc was def higher.

Asmael · February 2017

Had a vAA run yesterday (wanted to check vMoL :< ), but no significant damage change. Varlariel explosions brought everyone to similar HP level without using any additional tools (such as Nova) compared to previous patch.

Also did 2 runs of vMA. Don't know if it's because I'm used to play around getting 2-hit anyway, but damage didn't seem noticeably higher.

I'm scratching my head right now. Incoming damage isn't really something I usually keep track of, so getting actual numbers on how much harder things hit... Heh. On another side, there are too many reports of increased player damage to ignore a possible issue.

bottleofsyrup · February 2017

I don't think it's just trials, either. I'm taking a lot more damage from mobs in Public Dungeons than before.

VirusOfBeauty · February 2017

I've been doing vMA on the same toon for the last few days. I noticed I was getting oneshotted now by the same attacks I was able to block before.

xRIVALENx · February 2017

Anyone happen to look into block cost and block mitigation while looking into the damage issues? Noticed my tanks stamina pool drops incredibly fast since the patch, was meaning to test it last night but Velidreth was knitting me a sweater.

Silver_Strider · February 2017

I would laugh if ZOS screwed up penetration and made it to that our penetration value applied to us as a sort of debuff instead of applying to enemies.

cpuScientist · February 2017

VirusOfBeauty wrote: »

I've been doing vMA on the same toon for the last few days. I noticed I was getting oneshotted now by the same attacks I was able to block before.

Lololololol yeah man. I went in to finish an interrupted run on my Templar I was on the ice stage. And their damn range were hitting hard as lol. But I don't know if it's more or if I'm just paranoid now thanks to this thread...

Lexxypwns · February 2017

@nifty2g

You could try to get with some console raiders to check out last patch numbers for comparison

Nifty2g · February 2017

cpuScientist wrote: »

VirusOfBeauty wrote: »

I've been doing vMA on the same toon for the last few days. I noticed I was getting oneshotted now by the same attacks I was able to block before.

Lololololol yeah man. I went in to finish an interrupted run on my Templar I was on the ice stage. And their damn range were hitting hard as lol. But I don't know if it's more or if I'm just paranoid now thanks to this thread...

I'm just curious if anything is actually happening

Gaggin · February 2017

Wanderer202 wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

No it's not minor vulnerability. Maw of lorkhaj doesn't have lightning

cpuScientist wrote: »

There is no fire or lightning that I can remember in VMoL. Maybe they are wielding staves or something don't know it's weird that it's happening in VMoL...

WE KNOW, but SORCEROR lightning NO LONGER REDUCES MOB DAMAGE, and so the mobs will do more damage. It's not ABOUT the mobs doing lightning damage, it's about the lightning damage the PARTY is doing no longer reducing the damage of the mobs.

Hmm, this wouldn't really apply to tanks though as they (should be) already using heroic slash which gives minor maim anyway.

My guild did notice our vhrc run felt a bit 'off', I felt it was just kinda sloppy cus of increased lag and certain addons being super buggy, but I did not notice any increased damage from hits.

rhapsodious · February 2017

Adding to the pile of anecdotal evidence for VMA. I did my run yesterday where I've been consistently scoring 520-530k running it daily (I'm not the best, admittedly, but I haven't died more than like 7 times in a while), and I finished with 484k and dying all over the place. A couple of times due to stupid mistakes, but there were definitely "... wait what?" moments.

I also feel like my damage has gone down rather significantly, but being a stamblade running Velidreth I kind of expected that.

But it feels like more of a decrease than it should be.

S1ipperyJim · February 2017

Valve wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

No it's not minor vulnerability. Maw of lorkhaj doesn't have lightning

Nothing to do with mobs using lightning.
Before this patch, players using lightning attacks would reduce the mob's damage dealt to the players by 15%, because of minor maim from concussion procs.

This patch, minor vulnerability is applied to the mobs from concussion increasing the damage mobs take instead.

This sounds exactly what I am experiencing, significantly increased DPS and a little extra damage taken

Arrchangell · February 2017

vMA here, did a run today, i can for sure say that i'm taking more damage from mobs than before, using same build like before update, and so far my class didn't get any nerfs to my resistance and defensive skills.

Shadzilla · February 2017

You guys are doing it all wrong. Why are you in trials when you could be playing barbie house eso?

dramsb14_ESO · February 2017

So I think there is some confusion here. Can anyone confirm that you are experiencing increased incoming damage in the absence of shock/lightening dps? I believe some think that the removal of "maim" from shock damage is what is contributing to this "increased" incoming damage from mobs/bosses.

jkolb2030 · February 2017

There are many others running into this issue as well..

This thread should stay up top and relevant.

Mojomonkeyman · February 2017

ZOS_Finn wrote: »

Hey Folks,

We didn't make any changes specifically to Trials with the Homestead update. Can you give me an idea of what you are seeing by "increased damage"?

Thanks!

I feel similar in PvP, damage in general seems to have increased quite a bit. Almost as if some kind of mitigation would not apply correctly.