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Housing huge disappointment

  • MasterSpatula
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    Even though I was aiming towards not buying anything, I still took a tour of all the homes. I think my biggest disappointment, to my surprise, has turned out to be how few actual rooms there are. Most houses are 1-room. Even the Ebonheart Chateau, the one I was most excited about, has an open hall, a loft, and exactly one real room in the basement. Great location, beautiful on the outside, but why would I ever want to live there?
    Edited by MasterSpatula on February 9, 2017 1:48AM
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  • AlMcFly
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    AlMcFly wrote: »
    Not everything turns out the way you hope. You better get used to it. That's life. Complain all you want. Even if they make improvements to the system, the way eveyone on the forums is moaning, you all sound like something new disappoints you every week. Like dysfunctional children.

    I bought a house. I decorated it a bit. Getting lots of furniture will be a grind and expensive. I don't care. I'll be playing for at least a year. I don't need a fully furnished house within 24 hours of feature launch. Everyone needs to put on their big boy underwear and stop complaining so much. The system isn't what you hoped. Adapt to it, constructively help improve it, or walk away.

    Your lecture is seriously insulting to everyone who has raised issues and concerns with housing over the past month while it was on PTS and so far since release. Most of the issues/concerns are legitimate and are raised with the intention of providing feedback to ZOS so the housing features can be as good as possible for the benefit of all players and even ZOS, itself. If ZOS didn't want feedback and player input, they would not have a PTS. So the only "dysfunctional" people I see around here are those like you who want everyone to sit down and shut up even if they have worthwhile things to say about game features.

    Agreed. All criticism is welcome and is encouraged.

    Ironic. I guess my "criticism" of how players responding to this update isn't included in your "all criticism is welcome" statement. I always appreciate those people who openly admit to being complete hypocrites.
  • Morgha_Kul
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    Criticizing the update and its features is useful. Criticizing the players for making such criticisms is not.
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  • Pendrillion
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    Okay... I just wanted to say, the moment the drop rate started to climb on useable mats from nodes, heightened my enjoyment of the content immensely. I haven't felt so much satisfaction on crafting a candlestick, probably like ever before.

    There is some room for criticism of course. Also the grind for motifs is real. Yet... I am able to contribute to our new Guild Hall and eventually to my own home. Which is making me happy.

    What I really do dislike though is the conservative calculation on how much we are allowed to clutter our Houses. I play since Beta/Launch. That means I have an assorted collection of Achievements on my main. But I am already at half of my houses furnishings. 54/100. I worry, that this House and its yard will always look as sparse as it does now.

    I know maybe it is about server-client database exchange and the sort. And maybe you need to have an incentive for people to go ESO plus. But can we please have a bit more space to design our abode?

    Also... I hope there is a way you can introduce more different kinds of mushrooms from all over Morrowind to the mix of yard improvements. I escpecially would love to have some of those (apparently delicious) glowing pods for my yard.

    Other than that... good job ZOS.
  • Castagere
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    The only people i see being excited over this have to be new to mmo's. This housing is laughable. Its strictly for vet players with alot of gold and nothing to spend it on. The free inn room is a joke. You will be lucky to place a table with a couple of chairs in it. EQ2, Rift even Wildstar have free housing and they are huge spaces. They even give you item that buff you in many different ways. And you always get drops or quest rewards of housing item. Everything about housing here has a cost to it. I have played many mmo's with housing and this ESO housing is the worse i've seen so far.
  • MakoFore
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    they should have given us a base access to furniture= available at stores and merchants- perhaps 2 styles of every piece.
    now if we wanted nicer furnitre- and decorations, furniture with utlity- then thats when the levelling and grind might come into play. but to make it totally inaccessible from the get go has been yet another mess up by this company.
    to not give housing any utility whatsoever - no storage, nothing.
    to not test the performance and server issues before release..

    u guys are seriously *** up ur game.
  • AlMcFly
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    MakoFore wrote: »
    they should have given us a base access to furniture= available at stores and merchants- perhaps 2 styles of every piece.
    now if we wanted nicer furnitre- and decorations, furniture with utlity- then thats when the levelling and grind might come into play. but to make it totally inaccessible from the get go has been yet another mess up by this company.
    to not give housing any utility whatsoever - no storage, nothing.
    to not test the performance and server issues before release..

    u guys are seriously *** up ur game.

    Lots of furniture available at regular housing mechants. Would you like some help finding them?
  • acw37162
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    Here is the question I have, there are going to be a certain percentage of people who will buy the house they house they want without a thought or care in the world. this is the game they choose to support, they want one, and they have the money.

    Up until crown crates that was me so I can relate to these people fairly easily.

    So now I am not that guy anymore and I question my purchases in this game more then I do before and the question I am asking myself is this.

    A huge "Chapter" (read here expansion) is coming in three months, they have already said it will include new houses which will again cost either money or gold. So you buy a house, you buy a chapter, and you buy a house again all in a three to four month time span. Not to mention somewhere in between or during both will be the second iteration of crown crates.

    Now, if you hadn't changed the way you monetized the crown store with crown crates I would have most likely bought as many of the different atro mounts as I wanted, each house I wanted, whatever furniture you sold I wanted, pre-purchased the new "Chapter", and bought houses and mounts associated with it I thought were cool.

    Now I re-think each purchase. I wont buy a house when the patch comes to PS4, I may pre-order Morrwind, and I wont buy a house or a crown crate one even thought they are going to loaded with tons of cool stuff.

    So why would you buy a house now when there are new houses coming you will have purchase again in Morrwind?
  • Wolfenbelle
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    Well tonight I finally got the hang of the housing editor and was able to place some items. I realize the editor is designed with PS4 and Xbox consoles in mind, but still believe there has to be a way to do direct up/down, left/right and forward/back without twisting the object out of the desired alignment no matter what platform a player uses.

    Aside from my own dislike of the editor, I agree with everyone who has been pointing out the other issues with the homestead release. Hopefully ZOS will take all of this feedback under consideration and release improvement soon.
  • SydneyGrey
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    JesterH wrote: »
    Complaining about a free update. Dont like it ? Dont use housing. Simple as that
    I know, right? If people complain about a free update, they'll complain about anything. All ZOS will hear from them is "we hate free updates ... don't give us any more free updates, because we won't be satisfied no matter what."

    :(

    Can houses be better? Yes, of course they can. Still, it's better than not having them at all. I'm enjoying it so far. I do want them to make crafting stations easier to make and put in the homes, though, and I want a storage chest for the homes that is usable. (Like the storage chests we had in Skyrim that we put in player housing.)

    I love the update, personally. I've found probably 15 blueprints already, and so far I've been able to do them all. So long as you don't mind the materials grind, it's easy.

    Edited by SydneyGrey on February 9, 2017 5:50AM
  • STEVIL
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    acw37162 wrote: »

    So why would you buy a house now when there are new houses coming you will have purchase again in Morrwind?

    of course the same exact question could be asked about any in-game non-crown purchase - like say "why would you gold up your sets knowing there will be another patch in 3-6 months altering balance" or "when with morrowind there will be a new class and new sets coming" and so on and so on.

    the answer is always for me "to play what i want to play now and with full knowledge it will likely change to some degree in the future."

    Which is why i tend to settle at mostly purple unless its for weapons (or gear I am certain of) and am fine with that.

    When Morrowind comes out for sure I plan on buying a house there, on hoping to craft and farm useful sets there, on running the new class there and so on and that doesn't cause me to think anything differently about what i am doing now.

    if i did frame every decision on what might be in six months being better as opposed to just more - i wouldn't be doing anything except letting that frame turn into a trap.


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  • acw37162
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    STEVIL wrote: »
    acw37162 wrote: »

    So why would you buy a house now when there are new houses coming you will have purchase again in Morrwind?

    of course the same exact question could be asked about any in-game non-crown purchase - like say "why would you gold up your sets knowing there will be another patch in 3-6 months altering balance" or "when with morrowind there will be a new class and new sets coming" and so on and so on.

    the answer is always for me "to play what i want to play now and with full knowledge it will likely change to some degree in the future."

    Which is why i tend to settle at mostly purple unless its for weapons (or gear I am certain of) and am fine with that.

    When Morrowind comes out for sure I plan on buying a house there, on hoping to craft and farm useful sets there, on running the new class there and so on and that doesn't cause me to think anything differently about what i am doing now.

    if i did frame every decision on what might be in six months being better as opposed to just more - i wouldn't be doing anything except letting that frame turn into a trap.


    Yeah, except you know houses are being added with Morrowind.

    You don't know if the Dungeon pack will have housing additions or the 4Th quarter DLC but you know Morrowind will. I'm suspecting some type of requirement to buy and own houses in Morrowind that ensure you spent in game gold and/or money on housing from the base game as well as completing the quest line.

    And I don't know but suspect Orsinuim hosing will be opened up at some point.

  • Carbonised
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    Ever since testing housing on PTS, and the blatant extensive grinding and time wasting elements of it, that obviously is a push for the Crown Store and money milking, I have been disheartened by this game.

    Seeing it go live does nothing to curb my distaste of the recent update, and the game as a whole. People say "if you don't want to buy from the Crown Store, just don't do it".
    What they fail to realise is that for a long time, and progressing for the worse every update, every game design from the large to the small is implemented in such a way that playing the game without going to the Crown Store is pretty much impossible - unless you want to have ESO mindless grinding and farming as a full time non-paid job.
    It's not only about buying costumes and mount reskins from the store any more. Housing update pretty much locks you out of the whole housing experience, if you decide to circumvent the Crown Store and try and buy houses with gold and furnish them with your crafting. Unless of course you enjoy spending 8+ hours a day farming mats in ESO and earning an exorbitant amount of gold to finance the process.

    Achievement hunters, such as myself, have also put up videos here explaining how their gaming experience is soured by impossible to reach achievements, that are beyond unreasonable. I agree with this sentiment.

    I played Skyrim special edition again last night for the first time in a good while. Nexus will soon release their new mod manager, and I'll get back into Skyrim modding. I also still have to finish my New Vegas playthrough, and give Fallout 4 a go. The Witcher series and Pillars of Eternity also await me on my to-do list.
    Point is, once my ESO plus membership expires in a week I will not be resubbing, and I will most likely abandon the game. The current ESO experience is making me feel exploited and abused by ZOS. They care nothing about making a good gaming experience, they ignore every feedback we send them on PTS, and they design every aspect of their game as to maximise the amount of money they can squeeze out of us. It's an abusive relationship, and while it has definitely had its positives as well, it is time to end it.
    There are plenty of games out there that leave me with much more satisfaction, and for a fraction of the costs as well.

    I am quite aware that ZOS gives a rat's arse about this. They obviously care more about luring more and more new people into their web, and care very little about those who leave.
    It's a short sighted strategy. And while it may give you good numbers for a time, it's not a good strategy for long term sustainability, and it's unethical and sickening, really.
    Edited by Carbonised on February 9, 2017 10:13AM
  • BGruchallab14_ESO
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    the Only thing I think of with the ESO housing is it resembles the Garrisons in World of warcraft during the Warlords of Dranor expansion

    Which was a Horrid idea that was implemented, the concept was ok but was poorly executed
  • AlMcFly
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    acw37162 wrote: »
    STEVIL wrote: »
    acw37162 wrote: »

    So why would you buy a house now when there are new houses coming you will have purchase again in Morrwind?

    of course the same exact question could be asked about any in-game non-crown purchase - like say "why would you gold up your sets knowing there will be another patch in 3-6 months altering balance" or "when with morrowind there will be a new class and new sets coming" and so on and so on.

    the answer is always for me "to play what i want to play now and with full knowledge it will likely change to some degree in the future."

    Which is why i tend to settle at mostly purple unless its for weapons (or gear I am certain of) and am fine with that.

    When Morrowind comes out for sure I plan on buying a house there, on hoping to craft and farm useful sets there, on running the new class there and so on and that doesn't cause me to think anything differently about what i am doing now.

    if i did frame every decision on what might be in six months being better as opposed to just more - i wouldn't be doing anything except letting that frame turn into a trap.


    Yeah, except you know houses are being added with Morrowind.

    You don't know if the Dungeon pack will have housing additions or the 4Th quarter DLC but you know Morrowind will. I'm suspecting some type of requirement to buy and own houses in Morrowind that ensure you spent in game gold and/or money on housing from the base game as well as completing the quest line.

    And I don't know but suspect Orsinuim hosing will be opened up at some point.

    I bought a house already because I wanted the Forsaken Stronghold. I've played ES3: Morrowind several times, and am very familiar with the type of architecture that exists on Vvardenfell. Needless to say, any new houses they make in Vvardenfell, if they are even remotely similar to the design of ES3: Morrowind, will not be any I find appealing. Giant mushrooms are also overrated. Who am I, Super Mario?
  • grumlins
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    My issue isn't the design really I don't mind if it's a copy paste lotro was too involved and didn't have much to do and I think they are making these like easy and I respect that.

    The only issue I have with housing is this: NO STORAGE

    That is ridiculous honestly. Storage in every adventure IP in the medieval setting has always had some sort of limited chest space in the houses. It's really not that difficult to make these things available.

    Additionally, we need some sort of wardrobe ability because all of these sets and their skins are getting to be an issue. I'm also talking about characters with multiple specs, if you switch to healing from DPS for example you have to load a whole new set of items and weapons for that purpose which means you have to carry it around with you.

    Another need for storage in housing, armor sets.
  • arakis99ub17_ESO
    STEVIL wrote: »
    heaven13 wrote: »
    jaye63 wrote: »
    when i buy a home in eso, i expected it to have a chest that i can go to and store my personal things into.

    Well... you have access to a personal banker that you can access anywhere. And you can place him in your house. Yes I know. The bottomless chests in Skyrim are what you're referring to. But it is something.

    Which you don't have unless you pay 5,000 crowns for it. On top of the price of the homes, either crown or gold.

    But, i bought a banker the first week they were out so now with housing he doesn't cost me a thing. Tho i can now place him in a home and have friends over who can use it too - even if i am offline. So, added benefit there at no additional cost for me.

    Your friends will port to a real bank with full functionality before they port to your static house to use a limited functionality banker. So no real added benefit.

    What draw is a house to a non-owner aside from the initial sight seeing? All functionality , and more, can be more conveniently accessed in towns/cities.
  • a1i3nz
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    Well until these houses offer some type of utility I won't be buying one. What's the point? I don't want some crappy copy pasta that I can't even store my stuff in....

    Why do the devs always fall so short in this game I swear after 3 years you'd think they would have decided to start listening to the community....
  • AlexTech0x
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    Having a house just to have a stupid skeleton to hit to and not having a place to put your things out is just a rip off.
    What are we suposed to do? Invite friends to eat something? OMG thats extremly fun! you cannot even use the chairs rather than with /sitchair.

    What a joke.
  • method__01
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    tbh im a bit disappointment,was expecting and saving money and crowns for a big house at Malabal Tor or Shadowfen-2 of my beloved places-and got jack

    i'll settle for the small house and wait

    why cant we have the mansions where we wanted?
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