Housing huge disappointment

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Ozzfest · February 2017

DeathlurkZ wrote: »

4) Let us steal small furnishings, such as candles, plates, etc.
Happy Gaming!
-Dave

That makes sense ^

Myrrah · February 2017

GrumpyMuffin wrote: »

Myrrah wrote: »

GrumpyMuffin wrote: »

Myrrah wrote: »

GrumpyMuffin wrote: »

Considering this is meant to be a quarter worth of 'DLC' content, I'm very underwhelmed. OK, my whelming would have been limited as I've little interest in housing, but to call this a full quarter update is up there with releasing two dungeons and calling that a DLC.

This wasn't an update for our gaming purposes, this was an update for crown store reasons

so...they made the game f2p. LOADS of people pride themselves on paying for nothing whatsoever in the game. They have morrowind coming out, plus having to continue with the free content upgrades plus keep working on balance etc. Each thing is bound to have different teams working on it, as well as forum moderation teams, customer support, advertising, etc. To actually make money while being f2p-they have to do stuff that will entice people to pay money SO that-they can advertise, SO that they can get more people to play SO that they can do more of all the things everyone enjoys. I'm thinking most of you guys haven't ever had to make a business run

I've set up 5 businesses, the first directly out of uni when i was 22 so i'm more than aware of running a business, ta. Let's say that this update is self-funding through the crown store, because, lets face it, the amount of work involved in this was tiny, then where is the update for ESO plus people this period, the one we have paid 3 months sub to receive

in all your businesses did you let people use your stuff for free? Would it cause you to struggle to deliver the high quality intricately created stuff? (such as morrowind) when you think about the amount of maintenance needed for all these people who don't contribute to their success-you start to get a feel for the why's. Put it in the context of any other business-offering their services for free with perks if you pay. Wow is arguably the most financially successful mmo and they give nothing for free other than small content patches. There is NO way they would give the player base something as enormous as housing for free. Not a chance. Let alone 4 decently sized updates a year

There is NO way they would give the player base something as enormous as housing for free.? It is pretty much just copied and pasted from what was in the game already for the most part. We have not received this for free, while a good number of people won't pay for a house, a small minority will spend a large amount of money on it, eg £100 a house, if they sell just 10,000 of them then that's £1m coming in - plus all the people buying furniture etc. While it may seem this is a free update, in reality, it is far from a loss-making exercise for the company. They will make a higher profit from this than from recent DLC when you take into account cost of production.

They have very much gone down the free to play route for this update. Give people a little taster (the free place) but make the good stuff so expensive in gold or time consuming to gain meaning they will hand over real money for it. Same way a majority of mobile games make their money.

yes-this is my point. This update will pay for all the free stuff everyone wants

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Pops_ND_Irish · February 2017

Bathroom too small, not enough outlets, cabinet space is inadequate, hehe

Hmm thought this was a game ? Maybe not

Soella · February 2017

GrumpyMuffin wrote: »

There is NO way they would give the player base something as enormous as housing for free.? It is pretty much just copied and pasted from what was in the game already for the most part.

It sounds pretty much like "Building a brick house is just move from one place to another something which already existed"

Housing was huge effort from all teams.

In no specific order:
- house editor - it is pretty impressive new system, might have some tweaks but generally very good;
- adding couple thousands items in the game even if you don't need to draw them from the scratch require plan, implement and test their prices, including in vendor and drop lists, adjusting drop rates - and all that without screwing up something which already exists; it all requires tons of designers work to plan balance and a lot of technical work;
- furniture crafting - probably the easiest part, only again tons of technicalities due to amount of patterns;
- master writs - great idea, new mechanisms to implement it (luckily they are new, low chances to affect existing systems);
- item preview system - my gringe is only that we absolutely need it for crafting as well.

As a professional developer, I would say that amount of work on housing was definitely more than let say on theves guild DLC.

MadLarkin · February 2017

Myrrah wrote: »

yes-this is my point. This update will pay for all the free stuff everyone wants

What free stuff would that be? Base cost of the game, paid DLC, "optional" sub that provides the only respite from an inventory nightmare, gigantic crown store with hilarious prices, the abysmal crown crates, and now, a yearly paid expansion. What good stuff, pray tell, is coming at us for free? Balance patches that break as much as they fix?

Housing was touted as this major free piece of content and they did a slapdash job with it, and still managed to monetize the holy hell out of it. Even the coming "expansion" is including content that was partially implemented as far back as BETA. I don't mind paying for stuff. I would have been more than happy to pay for the base game, expansions, DLC, AND even make a purchase occasionally from the crown store. But not when they consistently under-deliver and still try to squeeze as much money as humanly possible out of us.

They can't just keep tacking on new chunks of content, make the game seem incomplete without them (like with master writs requiring the crafting of items located in DLC people may not have), and then come up with a new way for us to pay for it. With as much content as there is behind a paywall, it is atrocious that they are now adding store-only motifs, and jacking up mount prices to absurd values. All while quietly changing the language of the crown store benefits to no longer include ALL future content, effectively pulling the old bait and switch on subs.

Its not about the money. For me, its never been about the money. Its about ZOS taking this game, which has so much potential, and turning it into yet another money-making factory, frequently peeing on the customers backs and telling them that its raining.

Myrrah · February 2017

GrumpyMuffin wrote: »

Myrrah wrote: »

GrumpyMuffin wrote: »

Myrrah wrote: »

GrumpyMuffin wrote: »

Myrrah wrote: »

GrumpyMuffin wrote: »

Considering this is meant to be a quarter worth of 'DLC' content, I'm very underwhelmed. OK, my whelming would have been limited as I've little interest in housing, but to call this a full quarter update is up there with releasing two dungeons and calling that a DLC.

This wasn't an update for our gaming purposes, this was an update for crown store reasons

so...they made the game f2p. LOADS of people pride themselves on paying for nothing whatsoever in the game. They have morrowind coming out, plus having to continue with the free content upgrades plus keep working on balance etc. Each thing is bound to have different teams working on it, as well as forum moderation teams, customer support, advertising, etc. To actually make money while being f2p-they have to do stuff that will entice people to pay money SO that-they can advertise, SO that they can get more people to play SO that they can do more of all the things everyone enjoys. I'm thinking most of you guys haven't ever had to make a business run

I've set up 5 businesses, the first directly out of uni when i was 22 so i'm more than aware of running a business, ta. Let's say that this update is self-funding through the crown store, because, lets face it, the amount of work involved in this was tiny, then where is the update for ESO plus people this period, the one we have paid 3 months sub to receive

in all your businesses did you let people use your stuff for free? Would it cause you to struggle to deliver the high quality intricately created stuff? (such as morrowind) when you think about the amount of maintenance needed for all these people who don't contribute to their success-you start to get a feel for the why's. Put it in the context of any other business-offering their services for free with perks if you pay. Wow is arguably the most financially successful mmo and they give nothing for free other than small content patches. There is NO way they would give the player base something as enormous as housing for free. Not a chance. Let alone 4 decently sized updates a year

There is NO way they would give the player base something as enormous as housing for free.? It is pretty much just copied and pasted from what was in the game already for the most part. We have not received this for free, while a good number of people won't pay for a house, a small minority will spend a large amount of money on it, eg £100 a house, if they sell just 10,000 of them then that's £1m coming in - plus all the people buying furniture etc. While it may seem this is a free update, in reality, it is far from a loss-making exercise for the company. They will make a higher profit from this than from recent DLC when you take into account cost of production.

They have very much gone down the free to play route for this update. Give people a little taster (the free place) but make the good stuff so expensive in gold or time consuming to gain meaning they will hand over real money for it. Same way a majority of mobile games make their money.

yes-this is my point. This update will pay for all the free stuff everyone wants

Ok, we are in agreement with that, so I pose this...what content has the last 3 months of my ESO + plus paid for, as the money isn't needed for this

well i come at this from a different perspective as someone who has long paid subscriptions to games that ONLY paid for access to the game world. came with no perks. So i not only didn't see ZOS say they were going to give subscribers free stuff but would not have held them to it if i had. It would have seemed like a bad idea to me that would hurt their profit margins and ultimately contribute to the downfall of a game i really enjoy. So i can't really answer that in the way you are hoping though i do understand that many are upset due to feeling there are promises not being fulfilled

MadLarkin · February 2017

Soella wrote: »

GrumpyMuffin wrote: »

There is NO way they would give the player base something as enormous as housing for free.? It is pretty much just copied and pasted from what was in the game already for the most part.

It sounds pretty much like "Building a brick house is just move from one place to another something which already existed"

Housing was huge effort from all teams.

In no specific order:
- house editor - it is pretty impressive new system, might have some tweaks but generally very good;
- adding couple thousands items in the game even if you don't need to draw them from the scratch require plan, implement and test their prices, including in vendor and drop lists, adjusting drop rates - and all that without screwing up something which already exists; it all requires tons of designers work to plan balance and a lot of technical work;
- furniture crafting - probably the easiest part, only again tons of technicalities due to amount of patterns;
- master writs - great idea, new mechanisms to implement it (luckily they are new, low chances to affect existing systems);
- item preview system - my gringe is only that we absolutely need it for crafting as well.

As a professional developer, I would say that amount of work on housing was definitely more than let say on theves guild DLC.

Even though its free, and a lot of work was put into it, I don't think there's anything wrong with people expecting it to actually be a rewarding piece of content. There was pretty much no reason for them to copy-paste all of the layouts (except maybe the unique ones that can ONLY be bought on the crown store, but I'm not positive on that), no storage, etc. "We worked hard" isn't acceptable in any business if the end result is meh.

heaven13 · February 2017

jaye63 wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

when i buy a home in eso, i expected it to have a chest that i can go to and store my personal things into.

Well... you have access to a personal banker that you can access anywhere. And you can place him in your house. Yes I know. The bottomless chests in Skyrim are what you're referring to. But it is something.

Which you don't have unless you pay 5,000 crowns for it. On top of the price of the homes, either crown or gold.

JinMori · February 2017

The balancing is a huge disappointment for me, stamina is dead, magicka received minor magickasteal buff, which is *** compared to elemental drain, radiant is still op in pvp and now it's much worse in pve, because instead of reducing the range they decided to reduce the damage, trap beast was nerfed by a whooping 30 % making stamina even worse then it already was, major force was changed to an additive buff, which is not a nerf unless you have at least 1 crit modifier.... overhall a soulcrushing patch for balancing. the only class that got better sustain in this patch is magplar, all the other magicka ones have worse. They could reduce the cooldown of minor magickasteal to 0.5 sec so it would give back similar amounts of magicka as the previous elemental drain. and i would like to see the changes above reverted to be honest.

Morgha_Kul · February 2017

I'll admit I haven't seen much of it yet, but I'm not impressed so far.

I'm the sort of player that LOVES this sort of thing. I would guess something like 80% of my playtime at Star Wars Galaxies was spent driving around looking for nice places to put a house, then decorating it. I love becoming part of the setting.

However, the sheer COST of houses in this game makes it impossible to get involved. My character has something like 6000 gold, and finds it VERY hard to get more, since most loot is worthless now. For me to get one of the notable houses would require something like 1250 YEARS of playing (at a rate of around 3000 gold accumulated per year, which is roughly what I've managed).

Of course, this is MEANT to force you to pay the real world price tag instead of playing the game to get the content. It's dirty pool, and exactly what I predicted when they created the store in the first place (sometimes I hate being right all the time). Of course, they are continuing their habit of making things on the store ridiculouly expensive too. To buy that house would cost me around $150, which is COMPLETELY unreasonable. That's almost as much as a LIFTIME SUBSCRIPTION cost me over at Lord of the Rings Online.

Of course, that's the most expensive house, but even the less expensive ones are incredibly overpriced.

As for the houses themselves, SOME are nice, but I was astounded that so many are either copy/pasted from existing housing, or so small that the camera can't even zoom out. If I tried to put my tiger steed in some of these "apartments," his head and tail would be sticking through the wall, there's simply not enough room to fit him in it. It's more like a CLOSET than an apartment.

Even the bigger houses are something of a disappointment, because NOTHING is going on in them. Walled in and empty, I could wander around the house and/or estate and look at things, but there's no other people, no activities, NOTHING of interest in the housing (at least, that I can see at this point).

Now, as I said, I've only glanced at it. I'd like to give it a bit more time for evaluation, but they've priced everything out of my reach, and it may be some time (if ever) before I can make a more informed evaluation.

Until then, my characters will continue to make use of existing houses in the game that are largely abandoned by NPCs (there are a couple in Bangkorai, one or two in Mournhold, and so on). At least in those houses, I'll see other people from time to time.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/1497590#Comment_1497590

Morgha_Kul wrote: »

I've posted elsewhere about this. The main issue I have is that the store inevitably becomes the focus of development, to the detriment of the rest of the game. I've seen it happen over and over (City of Heroes, D&D Online, Lord of the Rings Online, Star Trek Online, Champions Online, Age of Conan, and so on...)

In EVERY case, the game was crippled by this business model. The "churn" is NOT sustainable. It simply isn't.

I've said it before, and here it is.

STEVIL · February 2017

Ozzfest wrote: »

DeathlurkZ wrote: »

4) Let us steal small furnishings, such as candles, plates, etc.
Happy Gaming!
-Dave

That makes sense ^

Not really.

Well, OK, in a world divorced from gaming, it makes sense.

just today i was strolling around between pledges, came across small camp, killed its ne'erdowells and as i started emptying their sacks and crate i thought "man, that chair would be nice on my deck." Then it was "Those dishes would be god." then... the thought crept into my head "we should be able to just take these and ..."

Then i realized if even a modest fraction of the stuff just lying around camps after we run acrosos them was able to be used as furnishing - my houses would be stocked in maybe a week.

As it stands now, the work-in-progress that are my houses will be something i get playtime out of over a long haul.

I am not grinding for furniture... i am letting it come up. ingredients don't require special actions, they just accunulatre slowly. its not like i am running VMSA 100 times looking for a staff. I just keep doing what i was and doing the added stuff as it come sup.

So, if we could steal directly the furnishings we see in game, that time element would be gone.

So, gather gold, check guild stores, check merchants - watch your recipes grow as does your materials from normal routine gathering.

After a bit of hectic, once i realized "this is a long game content thing, not a rush thru grind and done" it got even better.

just plopped my first blacksmithing and clothing stations down and took a look at the various options for furnishing crafting i already have. I was saving exclusively for attunable ones, but a series of normals wont significantly delay the completion of a trio of attunables (855-995 vs 750 vouchers is maybe a month vs 3 weeks) and i will get to use the three to seven stations in the mean time. )

i imagine even when morrowind rolls out i will still be doing stuff "with housing" on a daily basis. Cant say that about a lot of the game content. Thats even ignoring the new stuff down the pike.

So, for me, as i explore the various options available, i am using a more "all of the above but in moderation" outlook and it seems to be going fine so far - expected roll-out bugs for multi-system content notwithstanding.

I can understand others having different preferences.

DurzoBlint13 · February 2017

the DPS dummy is the only reason to be excited for Homestead.....at least it is if you are on console.
F#@* you Bloodspawn! Lol

STEVIL · February 2017

heaven13 wrote: »

jaye63 wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

when i buy a home in eso, i expected it to have a chest that i can go to and store my personal things into.

Well... you have access to a personal banker that you can access anywhere. And you can place him in your house. Yes I know. The bottomless chests in Skyrim are what you're referring to. But it is something.

Which you don't have unless you pay 5,000 crowns for it. On top of the price of the homes, either crown or gold.

But, i bought a banker the first week they were out so now with housing he doesn't cost me a thing. Tho i can now place him in a home and have friends over who can use it too - even if i am offline. So, added benefit there at no additional cost for me.

cwy · February 2017

Morgha_Kul wrote: »

I'll admit I haven't seen much of it yet, but I'm not impressed so far.

I'm the sort of player that LOVES this sort of thing. I would guess something like 80% of my playtime at Star Wars Galaxies was spent driving around looking for nice places to put a house, then decorating it. I love becoming part of the setting.

However, the sheer COST of houses in this game makes it impossible to get involved. My character has something like 6000 gold, and finds it VERY hard to get more, since most loot is worthless now. For me to get one of the notable houses would require something like 1250 YEARS of playing (at a rate of around 3000 gold accumulated per year, which is roughly what I've managed).

Of course, this is MEANT to force you to pay the real world price tag instead of playing the game to get the content. It's dirty pool, and exactly what I predicted when they created the store in the first place (sometimes I hate being right all the time). Of course, they are continuing their habit of making things on the store ridiculouly expensive too. To buy that house would cost me around $150, which is COMPLETELY unreasonable. That's almost as much as a LIFTIME SUBSCRIPTION cost me over at Lord of the Rings Online.

Of course, that's the most expensive house, but even the less expensive ones are incredibly overpriced.

As for the houses themselves, SOME are nice, but I was astounded that so many are either copy/pasted from existing housing, or so small that the camera can't even zoom out. If I tried to put my tiger steed in some of these "apartments," his head and tail would be sticking through the wall, there's simply not enough room to fit him in it. It's more like a CLOSET than an apartment.

Even the bigger houses are something of a disappointment, because NOTHING is going on in them. Walled in and empty, I could wander around the house and/or estate and look at things, but there's no other people, no activities, NOTHING of interest in the housing (at least, that I can see at this point).

Now, as I said, I've only glanced at it. I'd like to give it a bit more time for evaluation, but they've priced everything out of my reach, and it may be some time (if ever) before I can make a more informed evaluation.

Until then, my characters will continue to make use of existing houses in the game that are largely abandoned by NPCs (there are a couple in Bangkorai, one or two in Mournhold, and so on). At least in those houses, I'll see other people from time to time.

I'm completely, utterly, totally, unequivocally in agreement with you. I'm at CP170 and have about 100 times more gold than you, and I still balk at the housing prices, not to mention the continuing, mind-numbing farming you have to do to furnish your house. I played the test version a month ago when it first came out and within minutes I saw all kinds of problems and posted about them here (see my comment history). It doesn't take a genius to see this is WRONG.

JinMori · February 2017

DurzoBlint13 wrote: »

the DPS dummy is the only reason to be excited for Homestead.....at least it is if you are on console.
F#@* you Bloodspawn! Lol

Thank god for the dps dummy, only good thing about this patch. well and the houses.... sadly they cost a *** of money

heaven13 · February 2017

STEVIL wrote: »

heaven13 wrote: »

jaye63 wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

when i buy a home in eso, i expected it to have a chest that i can go to and store my personal things into.

Well... you have access to a personal banker that you can access anywhere. And you can place him in your house. Yes I know. The bottomless chests in Skyrim are what you're referring to. But it is something.

Which you don't have unless you pay 5,000 crowns for it. On top of the price of the homes, either crown or gold.

But, i bought a banker the first week they were out so now with housing he doesn't cost me a thing. Tho i can now place him in a home and have friends over who can use it too - even if i am offline. So, added benefit there at no additional cost for me.

True. I just wouldn't count a "purchase sold separately" item as a benefit of Homestead.

STEVIL wrote: »

[snip]
So, gather gold, check guild stores, check merchants - watch your recipes grow as does your materials from normal routine gathering.

Also, there is a known bug right now regarding learning furniture plans that are not the same level as the character who found them. They seem to scale, like gear, but it's hidden. So I would not recommend checking guild traders right now.

Soella · February 2017

Well, probably my satisfaction with housing is greatly affected by fact that I am getting from simply playing game enough gold to pay for it. Honestly, I don't understand how some people come up with 6K or 60K gold on their account. Simple leveling through questing 1-50 gave my latest alt about 70K. Yes, I used about 5k from my other toons to get initial upgrade on her bags, but bought a few other upgrades from her pocket money.

There are so many ways in the game to make gold, from resource farming to motif hunting, from stealing to PvP (look on prices of Akaviri motif!), pretty much whatever you are doing you can easily get ~10K/hour without trying and easily ~40-50K/hour if you sacrifice some fun.

All above about NA/PC, it might be different on consoles, don't know...

S1ipperyJim · February 2017

Kesstryl wrote: »

I know that the starter apartments are free and not supposed to be big, but my gosh I can't even see in there, first or third person. I don't think a bed would fit if I ever get or make a bed.

I put a double bed in my starter apartment, it takes up three quarters of the room lol - kind of like my apartment in real life haha. I tried to place a large rug too but it didn't fit

I have also added a bucket in the corner to do my morning ablutions in :P

Heroeric1337 · February 2017

I dont see what the problem is, all this update did was add housing...If you dont like it, just keep playing the way you've been playing over the past 2 years...

Frondale · February 2017

Nyteshade wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

when i buy a home in eso, i expected it to have a chest that i can go to and store my personal things into.

This.

And, honestly, it might be old school of me, but I would have preferred neighborhoods instead of the instanced housing. It was fun in say, DAOC, to horse around the neighborhoods looking at how everyone decorated, how guilds and friends had whole areas dedicated to them and all decorated cohesively.
Plus having our own vendor merchant tied to our house and have it all searchable at a master vendor was brilliant.

I remember doing this in Tibia, gawking at other peoples homes as they were spread about the towns all in 2D.

Premium Island had better homes for subscriptions. We all enjoyed going around looking at them.

Morgha_Kul · February 2017

Frondale wrote: »

Nyteshade wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

when i buy a home in eso, i expected it to have a chest that i can go to and store my personal things into.

This.

And, honestly, it might be old school of me, but I would have preferred neighborhoods instead of the instanced housing. It was fun in say, DAOC, to horse around the neighborhoods looking at how everyone decorated, how guilds and friends had whole areas dedicated to them and all decorated cohesively.
Plus having our own vendor merchant tied to our house and have it all searchable at a master vendor was brilliant.

I remember doing this in Tibia, gawking at other peoples homes as they were spread about the towns all in 2D.

Premium Island had better homes for subscriptions. We all enjoyed going around looking at them.

I agree, neighbourhoods would have been better. Lord of the Rings Online does it that way.

Best of all would have been being able to put a house wherever we liked, like Galaxies did, but I don't think this game could support that. Not enough open space.

Arreyanne · February 2017

Heck BioWare did a better job with Strongholds, at least they didn't copy and paste something And water, some of those homes have been in the game for months just not accesable

STEVIL · February 2017

heaven13 wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

heaven13 wrote: »

jaye63 wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

when i buy a home in eso, i expected it to have a chest that i can go to and store my personal things into.

Well... you have access to a personal banker that you can access anywhere. And you can place him in your house. Yes I know. The bottomless chests in Skyrim are what you're referring to. But it is something.

Which you don't have unless you pay 5,000 crowns for it. On top of the price of the homes, either crown or gold.

But, i bought a banker the first week they were out so now with housing he doesn't cost me a thing. Tho i can now place him in a home and have friends over who can use it too - even if i am offline. So, added benefit there at no additional cost for me.

True. I just wouldn't count a "purchase sold separately" item as a benefit of Homestead.

STEVIL wrote: »

[snip]
So, gather gold, check guild stores, check merchants - watch your recipes grow as does your materials from normal routine gathering.

Also, there is a known bug right now regarding learning furniture plans that are not the same level as the character who found them. They seem to scale, like gear, but it's hidden. So I would not recommend checking guild traders right now.

unless you are doing the crafting with your maxed crafter(s).. i have nought quite a few at reasonable prices and been crafting with them just fine... but the one doing the learnin' is at 50-cap+ so no level problems.

STEVIL · February 2017

S1ipperyJim wrote: »

Kesstryl wrote: »

I know that the starter apartments are free and not supposed to be big, but my gosh I can't even see in there, first or third person. I don't think a bed would fit if I ever get or make a bed.

I put a double bed in my starter apartment, it takes up three quarters of the room lol - kind of like my apartment in real life haha. I tried to place a large rug too but it didn't fit I have also added a bucket in the corner to do my morning ablutions in :P

A bed, a bucket and a chef outside... what more do you need?

MarkusLiberty · February 2017

I was really looking forward to housing, and had a lot of fun with it on the PST.

But after several days of grinding for furniture plans, and still being unable to craft anything due to a lack of crafting skills in certain trades (I had my crafting split between several character, so i need to level everything again on one character in order to craft furnitures) and the fact that it's incredibly difficult getting the materials, I've kinda just given up on it.

I reckon it's going to take months before I'll start getting any enjoyment out of this, thankfully there's plenty of other things to do on this game,

MidknightWolf · February 2017

I purchased a small house, but as much of a ESO Fanboy I am, they did housing totally wrong and totally lazy. Sorry Zos. It's true.

Kalante · February 2017

With the lack of balance changes, feedback, and copy paste houses with no utility i already knew this was going to be a lack luster update.

MidknightWolf · February 2017

Wolfenbelle wrote: »

AlMcFly wrote: »

Not everything turns out the way you hope. You better get used to it. That's life. Complain all you want. Even if they make improvements to the system, the way eveyone on the forums is moaning, you all sound like something new disappoints you every week. Like dysfunctional children.

I bought a house. I decorated it a bit. Getting lots of furniture will be a grind and expensive. I don't care. I'll be playing for at least a year. I don't need a fully furnished house within 24 hours of feature launch. Everyone needs to put on their big boy underwear and stop complaining so much. The system isn't what you hoped. Adapt to it, constructively help improve it, or walk away.

Your lecture is seriously insulting to everyone who has raised issues and concerns with housing over the past month while it was on PTS and so far since release. Most of the issues/concerns are legitimate and are raised with the intention of providing feedback to ZOS so the housing features can be as good as possible for the benefit of all players and even ZOS, itself. If ZOS didn't want feedback and player input, they would not have a PTS. So the only "dysfunctional" people I see around here are those like you who want everyone to sit down and shut up even if they have worthwhile things to say about game features.

Agreed. All criticism is welcome and is encouraged.