Give me storage, guild store access, guild tabbard theme decorations, a larger occupancy cap, and a wayshrine in my home, and I'm happy.

I've seen the point made that every house model is simply a copy and paste from an existing structure in the game. If you're going to charge hundreds of dollars for content, it should at least be content that doesn't already exist in-game. Aside from this, housing doesn't really add any sort of functionality. It is simply a huge gold/crown/time/effort sink for little to no rewards besides having a cool place to hang out in with friends. In its current state, I think that there have been a ton of games that have had way more successful and innovative player housing systems.

P.S: Instanced housing sucks, but I understand why it is necessary in a game like ESO. It would have been way more convincing if ESO had set aside rooms and buildings within cities when the game was first released.

It's a good system just needs storage and furniture shouldn't be such a grind.

I don't necessarily jive with all the wording of the poll choices, and treated it as more of a "on a scale of 1-5"
"Zenimax Online creative team improved standard for housing system in games. Exceeded expectations"

I think they improved what the standard should be. Once you get used to the controls for placing items it's a very powerful tool allowing for some very precise and creative placement of items. I don't agree with the exceeded expectations part however. It has the potential to in the long run, but currently the system is lacking some important things.

I am also ignoring comparison to any single player games, and any builder games like Minecraft or Landmark. You simply can not compare them due to tech reasons.

SWG housing is still the top.

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

I don't necessarily jive with all the wording of the poll choices, and treated it as more of a "on a scale of 1-5"
"Zenimax Online creative team improved standard for housing system in games. Exceeded expectations"

I think they improved what the standard should be. Once you get used to the controls for placing items it's a very powerful tool allowing for some very precise and creative placement of items. I don't agree with the exceeded expectations part however. It has the potential to in the long run, but currently the system is lacking some important things.

I am also ignoring comparison to any single player games, and any builder games like Minecraft or Landmark. You simply can not compare them due to tech reasons.

SWG housing is still the top.

how come you didnt vote for the last option?
2003 SWG, a older than 10 years game has better housing system than 2017 ELDER SCROLLS GAME? Say What???
You kidding right.

I do have a question though, should games 10 years older have more options/freedom? How old do games how to be, for new games to be considered bad when a game of such an age is more creative than the new game?

As I stated, I don't mesh well with the wording on any of the poll choices. I picked the one that closest resembled my thoughts and overall feeling of the system.

SWG did indeed have a better housing system.
You crafted the house, you built it basically whereever there was room to do so. Every single item in the game was able to be used as a decoration + the same ability we have in ESO to move and place things exactly as we wanted it, though I recall SWG's editing system to be a bit easier to use (not that ESO's is difficult, but it has some pain points)

What we've been seeing in a lot of modern MMO's in general though? Sure, ESO has improved on that, I think. It did not however exceed my expectations.

My answer is based solely on Creativity.

Pros:
- Wide selection of furniture, trees, plants, etc.
- Allowing furniture to clip through walls, especially when combined with rotation allows for some creative non standard furniture/features.
- Visitors can be given "Decorator" privileges, so others can work with you.

Cons:
- The houses are all predesigned houses using the housing models already found in the game. Not only does this make your house less unique, but many of the styles of houses are better designed for players running through them whilst on quests, than they are for making actual functional houses (e.g the Khajiit larger houses, are effectively two long thin corridors)
- Houses can not be altered structurally.
- The crafting system is good, but the scarcity and resultant grind in farming the materials and patterns needed, combined with the amount of materials needed to make furniture, means that furniture is 'expensive'. This in turn makes it much harder to get creative with builds. Just see some of the structures made on the PTS when furniture was more readily available, and people didn't have to worry about the cost of furniture.
- Similar to last point. When you buy furniture from the Crown Store, there is no, try before you buy option. This makes it harder to get creative with decorating because you can't easily do things, such as comparing which chairs go best with a specific table table. As a result people are more likely to stick with the same styles as they know they go together, than they are to experiment.
- Whilst decorator privileges is a plus, the fact that decorators can not have access to the furniture inventory, or even the furniture crown store really hampers the creative process. It effectively means there can be little discussion about what pieces to buy/make, and makes the process of more than one person decorating a house much more difficult than it need be.
- The limit on the number of items that can be placed in a house will always limit creativity.
- The limit to the number of pets you can place in the house, and the fact that they have so little animation, again, limits creativity and the feeling that this is your house.
- Not allowing horses to be ridden in some of the grounds of some of larger houses, limits their potential usage. Think of the horse racing/show jumping circuits you could make if you could.


These points are just off the top of my head. I'm sure there's more.

It's a good start, but when it comes to being creative, it is limited in it's current form.

It seems important to note that in this thread we're comparing a 1.0 release to systems which are either have a decade of work behind them (EQ2) or were specifically designed to be the main mechanic of the base game (Minecraft, Sims, SL).

...that's very good company to be compared to. As far as the rest, ask me after Zeni's had a few years to fine-tune housing.

Shazah wrote: »

Extremely creative system, with so many furnitures to use. They designed a really good and complete system for housing in my opinion. I regret one thing, actually the lack of space for use everthing I want.
But more interactive objects would be better, also pets walking everywhere instead of being static.

Here some screenshots about what is possible to do. (Mathiisen manor renamed Jungle of housecat, plase note it was empty before).

wow! this is beautiful. and yes i agree. i am having to choose whether to cut back on inside items or outside items due to the limits and neither is finished. The item cap really needs to be raised for the larger houses.

Looks,functionality and everything else is so lacking its *almost* funny....

Gots to do better than this

I think it is very creative! And way beyond my original expectations.
I wanted a crystal garden, I've already been able to achieve that

I'm already seeing some great things people have come up with. You can do so much, its all in your imagination

Today, I built a working stairs to access a mini floor in my barn/stable. The fact that I can do this is great, yet its just simply a stairs

The only issue right now is finding recipes for furniture crafting, right now I can probably craft about 8 ugly things. But in time, maybe I will find the nice stuff.

when i buy a home in eso, i expected it to have a chest that i can go to and store my personal things into.

The houses aren't creative at all. But some of the houses have nice surroundings to make up for it.

For example I love the big house outside Rawl'kha, it is almost as the 3 mannors.