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Console Buff Timers
dposdb14_ESO
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@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_MichaelM
To be honest I'm not sure who I should be tagging here. But is there a time frame as to when us console users will see some sort of buff icons/timers. It's getting old trying to see/hear the cues on my mag sorc in a trial when everyone else is casting stuff. Plus I find it a little ridiculous that we're getting nothing while your company fully supports the addons and even helps with the development and maintenance of it.
Sorry for the anger but I was just reading a thread about buff/debuff addons being broken and a dev was helping them fix it.
To be honest I'm not sure who I should be tagging here. But is there a time frame as to when us console users will see some sort of buff icons/timers. It's getting old trying to see/hear the cues on my mag sorc in a trial when everyone else is casting stuff. Plus I find it a little ridiculous that we're getting nothing while your company fully supports the addons and even helps with the development and maintenance of it.
Sorry for the anger but I was just reading a thread about buff/debuff addons being broken and a dev was helping them fix it.
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flguy147ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Buff timers should have been in day one. That is a necessity for many abilities and especially dots.8
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NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You should ask when they will be supported for the game. PC has add-on but it too lacks it without third party-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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RebornV3x✭✭✭✭✭
✭Buff timers on console would be greatXbox One - NA GT: RebornV3x
I also play on PC from time to time but I just wanna be left alone on there so sorry.1 -
kalimar44✭✭✭✭This is ridiculous, Everquest online adventures on the ps 2 had buff timers yet this f-- king game doesn't??0
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Toc de Malsvi✭✭✭✭✭
✭I keep dreaming and they taunt with with it...Legendary Archer of ValenwoodBosmer Dragon Knight Archer. XBox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Nightblade Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Sorcerer Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Warden Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Templar's are evil..1 -
Zanen✭✭✭Lol I remember when the first person crowd was throwing a hissy fit about having any UI at all early on, that's why the game didn't launch with a functional UI.
Buff tracking would be swell.3 -
dposdb14_ESO✭✭✭I just don't understand why it hasn't been implemented yet. It's a basic ui design in almost every game I've played. I just don't get it.3
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Crazy_H3✭brandonv516 wrote: »Simple countdown numbers on or above the skill would suffice.
How would you see the numbers on your back bar?3 -
The server hamsters can barely spin the wheels, let alone write codeEdited by eNigmaRisiNg on February 8, 2017 10:45AM2 -
DRXHarbinger✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Lol is this where the crowd comes in saying I can't do x content because of it? Also.
Imagine if Gandalf in LOTR or Hobbit movies for instance...a shot came up from 1st person wizard view saying your dots have expired? Would that ruin the movie? Pretty sure it would. Wizards etc don't have HuD. It's not COD or Halo here. Probably why zos never bothered with it. It's basically another tool for completing the game for you and making it easier.
2 ends of the spectrum here on these forums.
1 crying for new content as it's too easy and wanting super hard modes.
2 the rest crying for stuff to make it easier thus repeating the cycle of content becoming too easy.
ZOS will never ever win.PC Master Race
1001CP
8 Flawless Toons, all Classes.
Master Angler
Dro-M'artha Destroyer (at last)
Tamriel Hero
Grand Overlord
Every Skyshard
Down With BOP!4 -
dposdb14_ESO✭✭✭brandonv516 wrote: »Simple countdown numbers on or above the skill would suffice.
How would you see the numbers on your back bar?
Just bar swap, most people do it on enough of a regular basis for rotations that it would kinda work. Not ideal but at this point anything is better than nothing.
I often play a stam and mag sorc. On my stam sorc it is difficult, not impossible, to see whether or not my crit surge is up while hurricane is active. On my mag sorc trying to hear curse go off is a pain. Trying to see cfrags proc is even more of a pain. Then you do this in a trial and it's near impossible.
As of right now the only 2 ways to know if cfrags procs on the ps4 is, your hands will glow purple (but everything else is also purple...) and your health will get a gold border (but you can't have your health bar up at all times only when damaged, there's no option for it).0 -
Seraphayel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭DRXHarbinger wrote: »Lol is this where the crowd comes in saying I can't do x content because of it? Also.
Imagine if Gandalf in LOTR or Hobbit movies for instance...a shot came up from 1st person wizard view saying your dots have expired? Would that ruin the movie? Pretty sure it would. Wizards etc don't have HuD. It's not COD or Halo here. Probably why zos never bothered with it. It's basically another tool for completing the game for you and making it easier.
2 ends of the spectrum here on these forums.
1 crying for new content as it's too easy and wanting super hard modes.
2 the rest crying for stuff to make it easier thus repeating the cycle of content becoming too easy.
ZOS will never ever win.
Do you need to use them? No. Turn them off if they bother your immersion. I want them because I need them. Tracking buffs and debuffs, HoTs and DoTs in this game is horrible.
Some buffs had visual effects but ZOS removed them due to performance issues. So I activate buffs but I don't see them anymore, neither as an animation nor in a tracker or something like that.Edited by Seraphayel on February 8, 2017 10:58AMPS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -5 -
dposdb14_ESO✭✭✭DRXHarbinger wrote: »Lol is this where the crowd comes in saying I can't do x content because of it? Also.
Imagine if Gandalf in LOTR or Hobbit movies for instance...a shot came up from 1st person wizard view saying your dots have expired? Would that ruin the movie? Pretty sure it would. Wizards etc don't have HuD. It's not COD or Halo here. Probably why zos never bothered with it. It's basically another tool for completing the game for you and making it easier.
2 ends of the spectrum here on these forums.
1 crying for new content as it's too easy and wanting super hard modes.
2 the rest crying for stuff to make it easier thus repeating the cycle of content becoming too easy.
ZOS will never ever win.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't The Lord of the Rings mmo have buff icons/timers in it?4 -
DRXHarbinger✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭dposdb14_ESO wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »Lol is this where the crowd comes in saying I can't do x content because of it? Also.
Imagine if Gandalf in LOTR or Hobbit movies for instance...a shot came up from 1st person wizard view saying your dots have expired? Would that ruin the movie? Pretty sure it would. Wizards etc don't have HuD. It's not COD or Halo here. Probably why zos never bothered with it. It's basically another tool for completing the game for you and making it easier.
2 ends of the spectrum here on these forums.
1 crying for new content as it's too easy and wanting super hard modes.
2 the rest crying for stuff to make it easier thus repeating the cycle of content becoming too easy.
ZOS will never ever win.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't The Lord of the Rings mmo have buff icons/timers in it?
I'm on about the movie. There is a point when you cannot mix the fantasy element with Sci if.PC Master Race
1001CP
8 Flawless Toons, all Classes.
Master Angler
Dro-M'artha Destroyer (at last)
Tamriel Hero
Grand Overlord
Every Skyshard
Down With BOP!0 -
DRXHarbinger✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »Lol is this where the crowd comes in saying I can't do x content because of it? Also.
Imagine if Gandalf in LOTR or Hobbit movies for instance...a shot came up from 1st person wizard view saying your dots have expired? Would that ruin the movie? Pretty sure it would. Wizards etc don't have HuD. It's not COD or Halo here. Probably why zos never bothered with it. It's basically another tool for completing the game for you and making it easier.
2 ends of the spectrum here on these forums.
1 crying for new content as it's too easy and wanting super hard modes.
2 the rest crying for stuff to make it easier thus repeating the cycle of content becoming too easy.
ZOS will never ever win.
Do you need to use them? No. Turn them off if they bother your immersion. I want them because I need them. Tracking buffs and debuffs, HoTs and DoTs in this game is horrible.
Some buffs had visual effects but ZOS removed them due to performance issues. So I activate buffs but I don't see them anymore, neither as an animation nor in a tracker or something like that.
No because then every raid group starts insisting on having then on.
Why do you actually need them? Need being thr key word here. Have countless groups on console already smashed all content in the game without them? People need to stop making excuses. It's not that anyone needs them to GG. You just need to GG.
These are for flat out people that cannot manage a rotation.PC Master Race
1001CP
8 Flawless Toons, all Classes.
Master Angler
Dro-M'artha Destroyer (at last)
Tamriel Hero
Grand Overlord
Every Skyshard
Down With BOP!1 -
MyKillv2.0✭✭✭✭✭
✭DRXHarbinger wrote: »
2 ends of the spectrum here on these forums.
1 crying for new content as it's too easy and wanting super hard modes.
2 the rest crying for stuff to make it easier thus repeating the cycle of content becoming too easy.
ZOS will never ever win.
This exactly....I for one do not want buff timers on consoles. Damage numbers are one thing. Even a lore book and skyshard tracker, I can see. Buff timers make the game easy mode. The game basically plays itself. Add ons remove a lot of skill from the game. I will watch PC streams and just roll my eyes; "Refresh Rally", "Dodge now", "Block Incoming Attack", "Refresh this now"....You don't have to learn how to play, you just learn to wait for the add on tell you what to press next.
If you want the game to play itself, go buy a PC. And befor people say, "then don't use them, simple enough" the answer isn't that simple. Go ask people on PC who do not use them. In PVE, sure....but in PVP you are at an extreme disadvantage facing someone who is using them. It's like choosing to fight someone with a butter knife when they have an AK.
I wish Zo$ would reconsider this and not bring the timers to the game2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭dposdb14_ESO wrote: »I just don't understand why it hasn't been implemented yet. It's a basic ui design in almost every game I've played. I just don't get it.
I think you all don't realize that it actually not in any version....they released a basic ui and opened it up for add-on but then released a new ui for consoles.....bad move on them but that means everything has to be done twice-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Seraphayel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭DRXHarbinger wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »Lol is this where the crowd comes in saying I can't do x content because of it? Also.
Imagine if Gandalf in LOTR or Hobbit movies for instance...a shot came up from 1st person wizard view saying your dots have expired? Would that ruin the movie? Pretty sure it would. Wizards etc don't have HuD. It's not COD or Halo here. Probably why zos never bothered with it. It's basically another tool for completing the game for you and making it easier.
2 ends of the spectrum here on these forums.
1 crying for new content as it's too easy and wanting super hard modes.
2 the rest crying for stuff to make it easier thus repeating the cycle of content becoming too easy.
ZOS will never ever win.
Do you need to use them? No. Turn them off if they bother your immersion. I want them because I need them. Tracking buffs and debuffs, HoTs and DoTs in this game is horrible.
Some buffs had visual effects but ZOS removed them due to performance issues. So I activate buffs but I don't see them anymore, neither as an animation nor in a tracker or something like that.
No because then every raid group starts insisting on having then on.
Why do you actually need them? Need being thr key word here. Have countless groups on console already smashed all content in the game without them? People need to stop making excuses. It's not that anyone needs them to GG. You just need to GG.
These are for flat out people that cannot manage a rotation.
That's just wrong. I need them because I want to have some kind of overview over my buffs. I need them because I'd like to see as a healer when my Major Mending buff or my HoTs fall off. As I said, Major Mending once had a nice animation (red glowing hands) but then they removed it due to performance issues. I have NO indication how long my Major Mending buff is active unless I start counting 1, 2, 3, ... 6 until I need to reapply it. That's just silly. Same issue with movable Standard from DK. You can replace it once within the 15 second duration. So the only indicator here is you need to count as well - 1, 2, 3... 14 and replace it before second 15 happens and you can't replace it and you loose 100% uptime / damage of it.
I don't care if they bother you or if you don't need them, buff timers are a must for an MMORPG like ESO especially when you have to damage so many timed buffs / debuffs. And no, buff timers don't make the game easier, they just give you an overview of what's happening so you can react to it. If being unable to see things makes a game more complex or more difficult ZOS should start reducing lightning or brightness in dungeons so we actually don't see what's happening anymore - seeing what's happening makes the game easy mode! That is just absurd.Edited by Seraphayel on February 8, 2017 1:13PMPS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -3 -
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ZoS wants that you see all debuffs on enemy as special effects, too bad some times i don't even see my own character being CC'eddposdb14_ESO wrote: »@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_MichaelM
To be honest I'm not sure who I should be tagging here. But is there a time frame as to when us console users will see some sort of buff icons/timers. It's getting old trying to see/hear the cues on my mag sorc in a trial when everyone else is casting stuff. Plus I find it a little ridiculous that we're getting nothing while your company fully supports the addons and even helps with the development and maintenance of it.
Sorry for the anger but I was just reading a thread about buff/debuff addons being broken and a dev was helping them fix it.
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✭✭✭✭brandonv516 wrote: »Simple countdown numbers on or above the skill would suffice.
How would you see the numbers on your back bar?
http://cdn-eso.mmoui.com/preview/pvw5001.jpg
It is this add on for anyone that is interested
http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info1536-ActionDurationReminder.html
And yes I know consoles can't use addons. But pc also lacks trackers. We just have a way to fake it.Edited by vyndral13preub18_ESO on February 8, 2017 2:28PM0 -
MyKillv2.0✭✭✭✭✭
✭Seraphayel wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »Lol is this where the crowd comes in saying I can't do x content because of it? Also.
Imagine if Gandalf in LOTR or Hobbit movies for instance...a shot came up from 1st person wizard view saying your dots have expired? Would that ruin the movie? Pretty sure it would. Wizards etc don't have HuD. It's not COD or Halo here. Probably why zos never bothered with it. It's basically another tool for completing the game for you and making it easier.
2 ends of the spectrum here on these forums.
1 crying for new content as it's too easy and wanting super hard modes.
2 the rest crying for stuff to make it easier thus repeating the cycle of content becoming too easy.
ZOS will never ever win.
Do you need to use them? No. Turn them off if they bother your immersion. I want them because I need them. Tracking buffs and debuffs, HoTs and DoTs in this game is horrible.
Some buffs had visual effects but ZOS removed them due to performance issues. So I activate buffs but I don't see them anymore, neither as an animation nor in a tracker or something like that.
No because then every raid group starts insisting on having then on.
Why do you actually need them? Need being thr key word here. Have countless groups on console already smashed all content in the game without them? People need to stop making excuses. It's not that anyone needs them to GG. You just need to GG.
These are for flat out people that cannot manage a rotation.
That's just wrong. I need them because I want to have some kind of overview over my buffs. I need them because I'd like to see as a healer when my Major Mending buff or my HoTs fall off. As I said, Major Mending once had a nice animation (red glowing hands) but then they removed it due to performance issues. I have NO indication how long my Major Mending buff is active unless I start counting 1, 2, 3, ... 6 until I need to reapply it. That's just silly. Same issue with movable Standard from DK. You can replace it once within the 15 second duration. So the only indicator here is you need to count as well - 1, 2, 3... 14 and replace it before second 15 happens and you can't replace it and you loose 100% uptime / damage of it.
I don't care if they bother you or if you don't need them, buff timers are a must for an MMORPG like ESO especially when you have to damage so many timed buffs / debuffs. And no, buff timers don't make the game easier, they just give you an overview of what's happening so you can react to it. If being unable to see things makes a game more complex or more difficult ZOS should start reducing lightning or brightness in dungeons so we actually don't see what's happening anymore - seeing what's happening makes the game easy mode! That is just absurd.
They are a must? No...they are not. As an above poster stated, guilds on console have cleared every bit of content in the game without them. Do they make the job easier? Yes, no one is disputing that fact however to my knowledge...
But a must? No, they are a crutch. For instance, on your vehicle...brakes are a must. The radio is not. Without brakes, you cannot drive and stop safety. You cannot drive without them. The radio? Sure, it makes the drive mega nice and saves you from going crazy from bordom but you can still operate your vehicle without the radio.
Add on addicts need to stop making it sound like add ons are a matter of life and death. They are not as vital as they are made out to be. Trials are cleared every day on consoles without them.1 -
dposdb14_ESO✭✭✭It isn't a must, but that can be said for a number of things in this game. I can kill mobs with or without weapon enchants but the enchants help so why gimp myself. And this argument can go on and on.
Every single mmo that I have played has had some sort of icon or timer for buffs/debuffs. It's proven to be a desire in gamers so why not?
And I've heard their stance on the desire for visual cues, and if that is what they really want then please make them noticeably. Also if they are so committed to visual cues then why do they help develop/maintain/repair these buff timer addons. Just go take a look at the addon forum here.
Bottom line is that what is in place now doesn't work. A purple cue against a purple background in a sea of purple characters is just wrong.4 -
Draconerus✭✭✭Agreed. We should not need mods for this. Same goes for an actual combat log system or damage meter.Draconerus
Argonian - Templar Healer
Da Funk - Officer1 -
DRXHarbinger✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »Lol is this where the crowd comes in saying I can't do x content because of it? Also.
Imagine if Gandalf in LOTR or Hobbit movies for instance...a shot came up from 1st person wizard view saying your dots have expired? Would that ruin the movie? Pretty sure it would. Wizards etc don't have HuD. It's not COD or Halo here. Probably why zos never bothered with it. It's basically another tool for completing the game for you and making it easier.
2 ends of the spectrum here on these forums.
1 crying for new content as it's too easy and wanting super hard modes.
2 the rest crying for stuff to make it easier thus repeating the cycle of content becoming too easy.
ZOS will never ever win.
Do you need to use them? No. Turn them off if they bother your immersion. I want them because I need them. Tracking buffs and debuffs, HoTs and DoTs in this game is horrible.
Some buffs had visual effects but ZOS removed them due to performance issues. So I activate buffs but I don't see them anymore, neither as an animation nor in a tracker or something like that.
No because then every raid group starts insisting on having then on.
Why do you actually need them? Need being thr key word here. Have countless groups on console already smashed all content in the game without them? People need to stop making excuses. It's not that anyone needs them to GG. You just need to GG.
These are for flat out people that cannot manage a rotation.
That's just wrong. I need them because I want to have some kind of overview over my buffs. I need them because I'd like to see as a healer when my Major Mending buff or my HoTs fall off. As I said, Major Mending once had a nice animation (red glowing hands) but then they removed it due to performance issues. I have NO indication how long my Major Mending buff is active unless I start counting 1, 2, 3, ... 6 until I need to reapply it. That's just silly. Same issue with movable Standard from DK. You can replace it once within the 15 second duration. So the only indicator here is you need to count as well - 1, 2, 3... 14 and replace it before second 15 happens and you can't replace it and you loose 100% uptime / damage of it.
I don't care if they bother you or if you don't need them, buff timers are a must for an MMORPG like ESO especially when you have to damage so many timed buffs / debuffs. And no, buff timers don't make the game easier, they just give you an overview of what's happening so you can react to it. If being unable to see things makes a game more complex or more difficult ZOS should start reducing lightning or brightness in dungeons so we actually don't see what's happening anymore - seeing what's happening makes the game easy mode! That is just absurd.
They do make it easier, if they didn't you wouldn't want them. And I know healers that would laugh hard at you for that. If you cannot see when ritual or channel has expired then you have issues. Anyone using shifting standard needs to be kicked imo.PC Master Race
1001CP
8 Flawless Toons, all Classes.
Master Angler
Dro-M'artha Destroyer (at last)
Tamriel Hero
Grand Overlord
Every Skyshard
Down With BOP!0 -
Seraphayel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MyKillv2.0 wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »Lol is this where the crowd comes in saying I can't do x content because of it? Also.
Imagine if Gandalf in LOTR or Hobbit movies for instance...a shot came up from 1st person wizard view saying your dots have expired? Would that ruin the movie? Pretty sure it would. Wizards etc don't have HuD. It's not COD or Halo here. Probably why zos never bothered with it. It's basically another tool for completing the game for you and making it easier.
2 ends of the spectrum here on these forums.
1 crying for new content as it's too easy and wanting super hard modes.
2 the rest crying for stuff to make it easier thus repeating the cycle of content becoming too easy.
ZOS will never ever win.
Do you need to use them? No. Turn them off if they bother your immersion. I want them because I need them. Tracking buffs and debuffs, HoTs and DoTs in this game is horrible.
Some buffs had visual effects but ZOS removed them due to performance issues. So I activate buffs but I don't see them anymore, neither as an animation nor in a tracker or something like that.
No because then every raid group starts insisting on having then on.
Why do you actually need them? Need being thr key word here. Have countless groups on console already smashed all content in the game without them? People need to stop making excuses. It's not that anyone needs them to GG. You just need to GG.
These are for flat out people that cannot manage a rotation.
That's just wrong. I need them because I want to have some kind of overview over my buffs. I need them because I'd like to see as a healer when my Major Mending buff or my HoTs fall off. As I said, Major Mending once had a nice animation (red glowing hands) but then they removed it due to performance issues. I have NO indication how long my Major Mending buff is active unless I start counting 1, 2, 3, ... 6 until I need to reapply it. That's just silly. Same issue with movable Standard from DK. You can replace it once within the 15 second duration. So the only indicator here is you need to count as well - 1, 2, 3... 14 and replace it before second 15 happens and you can't replace it and you loose 100% uptime / damage of it.
I don't care if they bother you or if you don't need them, buff timers are a must for an MMORPG like ESO especially when you have to damage so many timed buffs / debuffs. And no, buff timers don't make the game easier, they just give you an overview of what's happening so you can react to it. If being unable to see things makes a game more complex or more difficult ZOS should start reducing lightning or brightness in dungeons so we actually don't see what's happening anymore - seeing what's happening makes the game easy mode! That is just absurd.
They are a must? No...they are not. As an above poster stated, guilds on console have cleared every bit of content in the game without them. Do they make the job easier? Yes, no one is disputing that fact however to my knowledge...
But a must? No, they are a crutch. For instance, on your vehicle...brakes are a must. The radio is not. Without brakes, you cannot drive and stop safety. You cannot drive without them. The radio? Sure, it makes the drive mega nice and saves you from going crazy from bordom but you can still operate your vehicle without the radio.
Add on addicts need to stop making it sound like add ons are a matter of life and death. They are not as vital as they are made out to be. Trials are cleared every day on consoles without them.
Your comparison doesn't work. Replace radio with fuel display or speedometer and it would work. Do you need them? No. Do they help you? Yes. Are they a “must have“? I'd say yes.
It has nothing to do with add-on addicts. Buff timers are a simple UI thing that every MMORPGs has and should have. I'm not asking for a damage meter I am asking for a simple UI display of my buffs and debuffs even 15 year old MMORPGs have.PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -3 -
Seraphayel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭DRXHarbinger wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »Lol is this where the crowd comes in saying I can't do x content because of it? Also.
Imagine if Gandalf in LOTR or Hobbit movies for instance...a shot came up from 1st person wizard view saying your dots have expired? Would that ruin the movie? Pretty sure it would. Wizards etc don't have HuD. It's not COD or Halo here. Probably why zos never bothered with it. It's basically another tool for completing the game for you and making it easier.
2 ends of the spectrum here on these forums.
1 crying for new content as it's too easy and wanting super hard modes.
2 the rest crying for stuff to make it easier thus repeating the cycle of content becoming too easy.
ZOS will never ever win.
Do you need to use them? No. Turn them off if they bother your immersion. I want them because I need them. Tracking buffs and debuffs, HoTs and DoTs in this game is horrible.
Some buffs had visual effects but ZOS removed them due to performance issues. So I activate buffs but I don't see them anymore, neither as an animation nor in a tracker or something like that.
No because then every raid group starts insisting on having then on.
Why do you actually need them? Need being thr key word here. Have countless groups on console already smashed all content in the game without them? People need to stop making excuses. It's not that anyone needs them to GG. You just need to GG.
These are for flat out people that cannot manage a rotation.
That's just wrong. I need them because I want to have some kind of overview over my buffs. I need them because I'd like to see as a healer when my Major Mending buff or my HoTs fall off. As I said, Major Mending once had a nice animation (red glowing hands) but then they removed it due to performance issues. I have NO indication how long my Major Mending buff is active unless I start counting 1, 2, 3, ... 6 until I need to reapply it. That's just silly. Same issue with movable Standard from DK. You can replace it once within the 15 second duration. So the only indicator here is you need to count as well - 1, 2, 3... 14 and replace it before second 15 happens and you can't replace it and you loose 100% uptime / damage of it.
I don't care if they bother you or if you don't need them, buff timers are a must for an MMORPG like ESO especially when you have to damage so many timed buffs / debuffs. And no, buff timers don't make the game easier, they just give you an overview of what's happening so you can react to it. If being unable to see things makes a game more complex or more difficult ZOS should start reducing lightning or brightness in dungeons so we actually don't see what's happening anymore - seeing what's happening makes the game easy mode! That is just absurd.
They do make it easier, if they didn't you wouldn't want them. And I know healers that would laugh hard at you for that. If you cannot see when ritual or channel has expired then you have issues. Anyone using shifting standard needs to be kicked imo.
Wow, you despise add-ons but you're still one of those players I rather don't want to play with.
Major Mending through Igneous Shield by DK has no visual effect. It once had now it doesn't (and no, the Shield as effect indicating the duration of Major Mending is not working). I am not talking about Templar. And I use Shifting Standard for leveling because it's much easier and better to play with.
I'm pretty sure you're one of the guys using a bread and butter build found in the internet to be top DPS but you dislike everything that's needed to make those builds - sounds reasonable.
And no, they don't make playing ESO easier, they make playing ESO clearer. I mean why do we have those bars for Health, Magicka and Stamina? We don't need them. They make playing easier because the show us when to use heals or to escape a fight.
Your logic is flawed.
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✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »MyKillv2.0 wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »Lol is this where the crowd comes in saying I can't do x content because of it? Also.
Imagine if Gandalf in LOTR or Hobbit movies for instance...a shot came up from 1st person wizard view saying your dots have expired? Would that ruin the movie? Pretty sure it would. Wizards etc don't have HuD. It's not COD or Halo here. Probably why zos never bothered with it. It's basically another tool for completing the game for you and making it easier.
2 ends of the spectrum here on these forums.
1 crying for new content as it's too easy and wanting super hard modes.
2 the rest crying for stuff to make it easier thus repeating the cycle of content becoming too easy.
ZOS will never ever win.
Do you need to use them? No. Turn them off if they bother your immersion. I want them because I need them. Tracking buffs and debuffs, HoTs and DoTs in this game is horrible.
Some buffs had visual effects but ZOS removed them due to performance issues. So I activate buffs but I don't see them anymore, neither as an animation nor in a tracker or something like that.
No because then every raid group starts insisting on having then on.
Why do you actually need them? Need being thr key word here. Have countless groups on console already smashed all content in the game without them? People need to stop making excuses. It's not that anyone needs them to GG. You just need to GG.
These are for flat out people that cannot manage a rotation.
That's just wrong. I need them because I want to have some kind of overview over my buffs. I need them because I'd like to see as a healer when my Major Mending buff or my HoTs fall off. As I said, Major Mending once had a nice animation (red glowing hands) but then they removed it due to performance issues. I have NO indication how long my Major Mending buff is active unless I start counting 1, 2, 3, ... 6 until I need to reapply it. That's just silly. Same issue with movable Standard from DK. You can replace it once within the 15 second duration. So the only indicator here is you need to count as well - 1, 2, 3... 14 and replace it before second 15 happens and you can't replace it and you loose 100% uptime / damage of it.
I don't care if they bother you or if you don't need them, buff timers are a must for an MMORPG like ESO especially when you have to damage so many timed buffs / debuffs. And no, buff timers don't make the game easier, they just give you an overview of what's happening so you can react to it. If being unable to see things makes a game more complex or more difficult ZOS should start reducing lightning or brightness in dungeons so we actually don't see what's happening anymore - seeing what's happening makes the game easy mode! That is just absurd.
They are a must? No...they are not. As an above poster stated, guilds on console have cleared every bit of content in the game without them. Do they make the job easier? Yes, no one is disputing that fact however to my knowledge...
But a must? No, they are a crutch. For instance, on your vehicle...brakes are a must. The radio is not. Without brakes, you cannot drive and stop safety. You cannot drive without them. The radio? Sure, it makes the drive mega nice and saves you from going crazy from bordom but you can still operate your vehicle without the radio.
Add on addicts need to stop making it sound like add ons are a matter of life and death. They are not as vital as they are made out to be. Trials are cleared every day on consoles without them.
Your comparison doesn't work. Replace radio with fuel display or speedometer and it would work. Do you need them? No. Do they help you? Yes. Are they a “must have“? I'd say yes.
It has nothing to do with add-on addicts. Buff timers are a simple UI thing that every MMORPGs has and should have. I'm not asking for a damage meter I am asking for a simple UI display of my buffs and debuffs even 15 year old MMORPGs have.
Fuel display and speedo doesn't increase performance or higher bhp.
And again this isn't every other mmo. Go back to wow if it's that important or l2p like the rest of us have.PC Master Race
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Seraphayel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭DRXHarbinger wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »MyKillv2.0 wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »Lol is this where the crowd comes in saying I can't do x content because of it? Also.
Imagine if Gandalf in LOTR or Hobbit movies for instance...a shot came up from 1st person wizard view saying your dots have expired? Would that ruin the movie? Pretty sure it would. Wizards etc don't have HuD. It's not COD or Halo here. Probably why zos never bothered with it. It's basically another tool for completing the game for you and making it easier.
2 ends of the spectrum here on these forums.
1 crying for new content as it's too easy and wanting super hard modes.
2 the rest crying for stuff to make it easier thus repeating the cycle of content becoming too easy.
ZOS will never ever win.
Do you need to use them? No. Turn them off if they bother your immersion. I want them because I need them. Tracking buffs and debuffs, HoTs and DoTs in this game is horrible.
Some buffs had visual effects but ZOS removed them due to performance issues. So I activate buffs but I don't see them anymore, neither as an animation nor in a tracker or something like that.
No because then every raid group starts insisting on having then on.
Why do you actually need them? Need being thr key word here. Have countless groups on console already smashed all content in the game without them? People need to stop making excuses. It's not that anyone needs them to GG. You just need to GG.
These are for flat out people that cannot manage a rotation.
That's just wrong. I need them because I want to have some kind of overview over my buffs. I need them because I'd like to see as a healer when my Major Mending buff or my HoTs fall off. As I said, Major Mending once had a nice animation (red glowing hands) but then they removed it due to performance issues. I have NO indication how long my Major Mending buff is active unless I start counting 1, 2, 3, ... 6 until I need to reapply it. That's just silly. Same issue with movable Standard from DK. You can replace it once within the 15 second duration. So the only indicator here is you need to count as well - 1, 2, 3... 14 and replace it before second 15 happens and you can't replace it and you loose 100% uptime / damage of it.
I don't care if they bother you or if you don't need them, buff timers are a must for an MMORPG like ESO especially when you have to damage so many timed buffs / debuffs. And no, buff timers don't make the game easier, they just give you an overview of what's happening so you can react to it. If being unable to see things makes a game more complex or more difficult ZOS should start reducing lightning or brightness in dungeons so we actually don't see what's happening anymore - seeing what's happening makes the game easy mode! That is just absurd.
They are a must? No...they are not. As an above poster stated, guilds on console have cleared every bit of content in the game without them. Do they make the job easier? Yes, no one is disputing that fact however to my knowledge...
But a must? No, they are a crutch. For instance, on your vehicle...brakes are a must. The radio is not. Without brakes, you cannot drive and stop safety. You cannot drive without them. The radio? Sure, it makes the drive mega nice and saves you from going crazy from bordom but you can still operate your vehicle without the radio.
Add on addicts need to stop making it sound like add ons are a matter of life and death. They are not as vital as they are made out to be. Trials are cleared every day on consoles without them.
Your comparison doesn't work. Replace radio with fuel display or speedometer and it would work. Do you need them? No. Do they help you? Yes. Are they a “must have“? I'd say yes.
It has nothing to do with add-on addicts. Buff timers are a simple UI thing that every MMORPGs has and should have. I'm not asking for a damage meter I am asking for a simple UI display of my buffs and debuffs even 15 year old MMORPGs have.
Fuel display and speedo doesn't increase performance or higher bhp.
And again this isn't every other mmo. Go back to wow if it's that important or l2p like the rest of us have.
As I said above, your arguments are flawed. I won't discuss with you anymore because I dislike your arrogant attitude. Keep having your opinion, I keep having mine.PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -5 -
DRXHarbinger✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »MyKillv2.0 wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »Lol is this where the crowd comes in saying I can't do x content because of it? Also.
Imagine if Gandalf in LOTR or Hobbit movies for instance...a shot came up from 1st person wizard view saying your dots have expired? Would that ruin the movie? Pretty sure it would. Wizards etc don't have HuD. It's not COD or Halo here. Probably why zos never bothered with it. It's basically another tool for completing the game for you and making it easier.
2 ends of the spectrum here on these forums.
1 crying for new content as it's too easy and wanting super hard modes.
2 the rest crying for stuff to make it easier thus repeating the cycle of content becoming too easy.
ZOS will never ever win.
Do you need to use them? No. Turn them off if they bother your immersion. I want them because I need them. Tracking buffs and debuffs, HoTs and DoTs in this game is horrible.
Some buffs had visual effects but ZOS removed them due to performance issues. So I activate buffs but I don't see them anymore, neither as an animation nor in a tracker or something like that.
No because then every raid group starts insisting on having then on.
Why do you actually need them? Need being thr key word here. Have countless groups on console already smashed all content in the game without them? People need to stop making excuses. It's not that anyone needs them to GG. You just need to GG.
These are for flat out people that cannot manage a rotation.
That's just wrong. I need them because I want to have some kind of overview over my buffs. I need them because I'd like to see as a healer when my Major Mending buff or my HoTs fall off. As I said, Major Mending once had a nice animation (red glowing hands) but then they removed it due to performance issues. I have NO indication how long my Major Mending buff is active unless I start counting 1, 2, 3, ... 6 until I need to reapply it. That's just silly. Same issue with movable Standard from DK. You can replace it once within the 15 second duration. So the only indicator here is you need to count as well - 1, 2, 3... 14 and replace it before second 15 happens and you can't replace it and you loose 100% uptime / damage of it.
I don't care if they bother you or if you don't need them, buff timers are a must for an MMORPG like ESO especially when you have to damage so many timed buffs / debuffs. And no, buff timers don't make the game easier, they just give you an overview of what's happening so you can react to it. If being unable to see things makes a game more complex or more difficult ZOS should start reducing lightning or brightness in dungeons so we actually don't see what's happening anymore - seeing what's happening makes the game easy mode! That is just absurd.
They are a must? No...they are not. As an above poster stated, guilds on console have cleared every bit of content in the game without them. Do they make the job easier? Yes, no one is disputing that fact however to my knowledge...
But a must? No, they are a crutch. For instance, on your vehicle...brakes are a must. The radio is not. Without brakes, you cannot drive and stop safety. You cannot drive without them. The radio? Sure, it makes the drive mega nice and saves you from going crazy from bordom but you can still operate your vehicle without the radio.
Add on addicts need to stop making it sound like add ons are a matter of life and death. They are not as vital as they are made out to be. Trials are cleared every day on consoles without them.
Your comparison doesn't work. Replace radio with fuel display or speedometer and it would work. Do you need them? No. Do they help you? Yes. Are they a “must have“? I'd say yes.
It has nothing to do with add-on addicts. Buff timers are a simple UI thing that every MMORPGs has and should have. I'm not asking for a damage meter I am asking for a simple UI display of my buffs and debuffs even 15 year old MMORPGs have.
Fuel display and speedo doesn't increase performance or higher bhp.
And again this isn't every other mmo. Go back to wow if it's that important or l2p like the rest of us have.
As I said above, your arguments are flawed. I won't discuss with you anymore because I dislike your arrogant attitude. Keep having your opinion, I keep having mine.
No you just cannot accept the fact these are features for noobs or people that cannot just pay attention like the rest of us.
99% of console player base are doing just fine without them, you Sir are that 1% that needs to L2P.
Too many carebears and too many excuse makers are what kills things in this game, people just need to admit they cannot hack it and can't GG.
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