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Console Buff Timers
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NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »mr_wazzabi wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »MyKillv2.0 wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »Lol is this where the crowd comes in saying I can't do x content because of it? Also.
Imagine if Gandalf in LOTR or Hobbit movies for instance...a shot came up from 1st person wizard view saying your dots have expired? Would that ruin the movie? Pretty sure it would. Wizards etc don't have HuD. It's not COD or Halo here. Probably why zos never bothered with it. It's basically another tool for completing the game for you and making it easier.
2 ends of the spectrum here on these forums.
1 crying for new content as it's too easy and wanting super hard modes.
2 the rest crying for stuff to make it easier thus repeating the cycle of content becoming too easy.
ZOS will never ever win.
Do you need to use them? No. Turn them off if they bother your immersion. I want them because I need them. Tracking buffs and debuffs, HoTs and DoTs in this game is horrible.
Some buffs had visual effects but ZOS removed them due to performance issues. So I activate buffs but I don't see them anymore, neither as an animation nor in a tracker or something like that.
No because then every raid group starts insisting on having then on.
Why do you actually need them? Need being thr key word here. Have countless groups on console already smashed all content in the game without them? People need to stop making excuses. It's not that anyone needs them to GG. You just need to GG.
These are for flat out people that cannot manage a rotation.
That's just wrong. I need them because I want to have some kind of overview over my buffs. I need them because I'd like to see as a healer when my Major Mending buff or my HoTs fall off. As I said, Major Mending once had a nice animation (red glowing hands) but then they removed it due to performance issues. I have NO indication how long my Major Mending buff is active unless I start counting 1, 2, 3, ... 6 until I need to reapply it. That's just silly. Same issue with movable Standard from DK. You can replace it once within the 15 second duration. So the only indicator here is you need to count as well - 1, 2, 3... 14 and replace it before second 15 happens and you can't replace it and you loose 100% uptime / damage of it.
I don't care if they bother you or if you don't need them, buff timers are a must for an MMORPG like ESO especially when you have to damage so many timed buffs / debuffs. And no, buff timers don't make the game easier, they just give you an overview of what's happening so you can react to it. If being unable to see things makes a game more complex or more difficult ZOS should start reducing lightning or brightness in dungeons so we actually don't see what's happening anymore - seeing what's happening makes the game easy mode! That is just absurd.
They are a must? No...they are not. As an above poster stated, guilds on console have cleared every bit of content in the game without them. Do they make the job easier? Yes, no one is disputing that fact however to my knowledge...
But a must? No, they are a crutch. For instance, on your vehicle...brakes are a must. The radio is not. Without brakes, you cannot drive and stop safety. You cannot drive without them. The radio? Sure, it makes the drive mega nice and saves you from going crazy from bordom but you can still operate your vehicle without the radio.
Add on addicts need to stop making it sound like add ons are a matter of life and death. They are not as vital as they are made out to be. Trials are cleared every day on consoles without them.
Your comparison doesn't work. Replace radio with fuel display or speedometer and it would work. Do you need them? No. Do they help you? Yes. Are they a “must have“? I'd say yes.
It has nothing to do with add-on addicts. Buff timers are a simple UI thing that every MMORPGs has and should have. I'm not asking for a damage meter I am asking for a simple UI display of my buffs and debuffs even 15 year old MMORPGs have.
Fuel display and speedo doesn't increase performance or higher bhp.
And again this isn't every other mmo. Go back to wow if it's that important or l2p like the rest of us have.
As I said above, your arguments are flawed. I won't discuss with you anymore because I dislike your arrogant attitude. Keep having your opinion, I keep having mine.
No you just cannot accept the fact these are features for noobs or people that cannot just pay attention like the rest of us.
99% of console player base are doing just fine without them, you Sir are that 1% that needs to L2P.
Too many carebears and too many excuse makers are what kills things in this game, people just need to admit they cannot hack it and can't GG.
But you don't speak for EVERY console player. I'm a console player and would love to know when nearly invisible dots like eruption and path of darkness drop off. Or when everyone in your raid uses the same dots as you, how would you know when to refresh?
I'm against the "dodge now, block now" addon as yes, those ARE easy mode, but a simple timer on when to refresh rapid regen, poison injection, eruption, cripple, path and all other dots and hots that are hard to see will be very welcome.
Everyone in all of the guilds I'm in wished there were dot and buff timers for these reasons. If you're in vma fighting a boss with ads and trying to avoid mechanics like poison or crystal skulls, would you really have the time to count in your head and keep track of 4 dots, 2-3 hots and 2 support buffs? Hell no.
I'm a person who left PC for the console and I do not want anything more on my screen
Now I'm open to having the information in a better way but that's suggesting a complete UI overhaul and character animation change. I'm open to seeing things on my character but adding boxes and scrolling stuff isn't why I play this over other mmorpgs
Simple solution: don't use (activate) it. Nobody forces you to use it.
Simple is leave it alone as is it's fine.
But for those who do want it, perhaps asking for an overall improvement which result in changing the whole UI is better cause it's not only this one thing that many of you are asking for.
It's not as simple as telling someone to turn something off because from every single UI update from ZOS, we have no UI options like repositioning, ui scaling and moving things around
The bigger issue is this console ui should be the pc ui with options and include the ESC menu options from PC
No, it's not fine. It might be fine for you but it isn't fine for others. We begged for damage numbers for years and they finally implemented them, the same will happen with the buff timers.
I don't have any problems with players that don't want that stuff but why do you force us to live with your decisions? I mean, it's never mandatory and even if others say “you need to use it“ it's still up to you because they can't check if you're using them or not. It's not like we're talking about DPS meters or something like that, it's a simple addition to the medieval UI of ESO.
You're right the UI needs an entire rework (SWTOR did this within their first year) or at least some options for placing your HUD where you want but... buff timers are absolutely not causing any issues, not for you if you simply can't turn them off, not for me if I have the choice to use them or to ignore them. When players prefer their simplistic UI, I am fine with that. But please don't force others to play with that simplistic UI.
@Seraphyel
You and a few others not we prefer something to be added but it's fine because it's not preventing you or those others from doing content. So it's fine however you and those others would prefer it to be added because your point of view is that having this info is better
I'm not forcing you or others to live with anything. I'm simply sharing my point of view, but somehow anytime people who want the console versions to have PC add-on functions seem to think those of us who disagree are somehow a developer or that our preferences and opinions will cause you not to get something.
Ultimately if me or if anyone else who disagrees with adding what you and others want is viewed as an attack, there another issue.
Consider I just wrote above that for those who want all this stuff, the console ui needs a drastic overhaul. That overhaul could mean simply offering anyone who desires a more like PC UI to have one and possibly for ZOS to offer a desired amount of add-on done by ZOS all while leaving the game pad UI alone.
Consider there are more players on consoles than PC by choice.
The forums have less than 1,000 console players expressing this as a need per forum polls.
It's millions of players so there's an obvious split
It's more than likely a better idea to change the UI so ppl can pick n choose in a user friendly way as well as offering NOT JUST console players but PC players options too
Instead of their Deb's doing double work, perhaps having. One central UI for everyone with logic based options is feasible which is exactly what I've been suggesting for over a year. Not that ppl shouldn't get anything but in how it's being requested I disagree cause that's not a realistic solution to the actual problem for all platforms.
The actual issue is that both UI's aren't pleasing to large groups of players. Consider how many on PC use add-ons but in game pad mode hardly no add-ons are developed by third parties unless it works without manipulation from the pc ui design.-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Seraphayel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭We don't know many players are on PC or on consoles. I doubt there are necessarily more on consoles (maybe during the first months of console launch but not anymore). I played on PC until the console version was released. I switched to my XOne because I think ESO fits better a console than a PC. That doesn't mean I don't want to have some things the PC players already have by default or by choice via downloading and installing it through add-on websites.
I agree that the entire UI needs a rework. It's just not good, even with add-ons.PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -0 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »We don't know many players are on PC or on consoles. I doubt there are necessarily more on consoles (maybe during the first months of console launch but not anymore). I played on PC until the console version was released. I switched to my XOne because I think ESO fits better a console than a PC. That doesn't mean I don't want to have some things the PC players already have by default or by choice via downloading and installing it through add-on websites.
I agree that the entire UI needs a rework. It's just not good, even with add-ons.
@Seraphyel
We actually have a really good idea cause I can see how many are playing on Xbox one if I want to use some of our social console features outside the game to find players, a guild, who has done specific achievements, as well as the general info Matt provided last year about active accounts.
No switching does mean a lot. You left PC for reasons of your own knowing 100% in terms of the UI that you would never have similar options
The actual solution is for all three platforms tho cause this is a monthly topic from new or existing users asking about this or that which differs from console to pc.
The literal only difference should be voice chat and releases for updates or maintenance.
The UI however should offer all platforms the info based on what pc add-on tends to appear on let's say 30% or more accounts.
This whole game pad UI and pc ui and now console ui is a waste and particularly why some updates take longer to introduce.
I can only imagine the feedback for housing UI from consoles
Let's think
Obvious things are
-buff (what u all want)
-UI scaling
-ability to move and resize any box
-SCT, nameplates, chat bubble font, font size and orientation
-more target options (to move it)
-large group options
-inventory tool tips
-character screen
-basic UI differences from PC to Console
-other things from pages 1-10 on the forums each week-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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✭DRXHarbinger wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »dposdb14_ESO wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »Lol is this where the crowd comes in saying I can't do x content because of it? Also.
Imagine if Gandalf in LOTR or Hobbit movies for instance...a shot came up from 1st person wizard view saying your dots have expired? Would that ruin the movie? Pretty sure it would. Wizards etc don't have HuD. It's not COD or Halo here. Probably why zos never bothered with it. It's basically another tool for completing the game for you and making it easier.
2 ends of the spectrum here on these forums.
1 crying for new content as it's too easy and wanting super hard modes.
2 the rest crying for stuff to make it easier thus repeating the cycle of content becoming too easy.
ZOS will never ever win.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't The Lord of the Rings mmo have buff icons/timers in it?
I'm on about the movie. There is a point when you cannot mix the fantasy element with Sci if.
Well, so when there will be "Elder Scrolls Online: The Movie", there will be no timers. But this, just in case you didn't notice, it's a videogame, not a movie...
It's a game about warriors and Wizards and magic. Not Master Chief with a fully interactive hud and cortana telling him what to do.
Still you are all wrong. 99% of forum dwellers all moan all dungeon content can be solod and 2 manned where it can't be solod and 3 trials are too easy, vma is a cake walk now and there is only one hard piece of content left....oh riiiiiiight I see. That's why people can't do mol....they don't have something none of the others have got.
You see its not justified needing them. We have vma scores almost as high as PC 596k (PC should also for the record as there are more players thus a bigger talent pool) and all other content is done just fine...it's a l2p issue. That is all.
Still waiting for someone to say they need to know when ward expires...because under pressure and trials it does actually last the full 6s. Oh wait you need a pop up saying "shields low" again like a Master Chief.
C'mon, many if not all of the best PC players who post their videos on the tube HAVE any sort of timers and counters active. I don't think this makes them moaning players who have l2p issues...
Yeah and half of them have so much *** on thier screen they can't even see thier character it's cluttered behind endless numbers which btw are impossible to follow unless you're superhuman. But seriously how many actually pay attention to them....you'll never get an honest answer as you should be looking at what you're doing not starting in the corner of your screen. PC UI is horrific.
At best all zos should do is make the skill icons at the bottom look like pot timers. That's it. As for adding *** that makes my screen look like the Millennium Falcon gtfo.
That would be why it is optional. Nobody forces you to have combat text or any other information. Really makes no sense how anyone could be against something that is OPTIONAL. Don't like it? Then don't use it.
There really is no logical arguments against optional ui elements.
To whoever came from pc and doesn't want it well nobody forced you to use it on pc and it wouldn't be forced on console as it would be optional.
Not sure how many more times someone has to say optional before people understand that the addition would be optional. Buff timers are really basic elements of any mmo.3 -
DRXHarbinger✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭DRXHarbinger wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »dposdb14_ESO wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »Lol is this where the crowd comes in saying I can't do x content because of it? Also.
Imagine if Gandalf in LOTR or Hobbit movies for instance...a shot came up from 1st person wizard view saying your dots have expired? Would that ruin the movie? Pretty sure it would. Wizards etc don't have HuD. It's not COD or Halo here. Probably why zos never bothered with it. It's basically another tool for completing the game for you and making it easier.
2 ends of the spectrum here on these forums.
1 crying for new content as it's too easy and wanting super hard modes.
2 the rest crying for stuff to make it easier thus repeating the cycle of content becoming too easy.
ZOS will never ever win.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't The Lord of the Rings mmo have buff icons/timers in it?
I'm on about the movie. There is a point when you cannot mix the fantasy element with Sci if.
Well, so when there will be "Elder Scrolls Online: The Movie", there will be no timers. But this, just in case you didn't notice, it's a videogame, not a movie...
It's a game about warriors and Wizards and magic. Not Master Chief with a fully interactive hud and cortana telling him what to do.
Still you are all wrong. 99% of forum dwellers all moan all dungeon content can be solod and 2 manned where it can't be solod and 3 trials are too easy, vma is a cake walk now and there is only one hard piece of content left....oh riiiiiiight I see. That's why people can't do mol....they don't have something none of the others have got.
You see its not justified needing them. We have vma scores almost as high as PC 596k (PC should also for the record as there are more players thus a bigger talent pool) and all other content is done just fine...it's a l2p issue. That is all.
Still waiting for someone to say they need to know when ward expires...because under pressure and trials it does actually last the full 6s. Oh wait you need a pop up saying "shields low" again like a Master Chief.
C'mon, many if not all of the best PC players who post their videos on the tube HAVE any sort of timers and counters active. I don't think this makes them moaning players who have l2p issues...
Yeah and half of them have so much *** on thier screen they can't even see thier character it's cluttered behind endless numbers which btw are impossible to follow unless you're superhuman. But seriously how many actually pay attention to them....you'll never get an honest answer as you should be looking at what you're doing not starting in the corner of your screen. PC UI is horrific.
At best all zos should do is make the skill icons at the bottom look like pot timers. That's it. As for adding *** that makes my screen look like the Millennium Falcon gtfo.
That would be why it is optional. Nobody forces you to have combat text or any other information. Really makes no sense how anyone could be against something that is OPTIONAL. Don't like it? Then don't use it.
There really is no logical arguments against optional ui elements.
To whoever came from pc and doesn't want it well nobody forced you to use it on pc and it wouldn't be forced on console as it would be optional.
Not sure how many more times someone has to say optional before people understand that the addition would be optional. Buff timers are really basic elements of any mmo.
Ffs how many times do you humans need to be told that yeah it'll be optional. You have clearly never run in a top trial. They will be COMPULSORY for them and then the norm. Why does the fact that it's in every other mmo matter?
If you dated blondes all your life and met a brunette would you insist she dyed her hair as all previous women had the same set up? No you wouldn't.
You knew the game didn't have these features and that's it.
You don't go and buy a VW and complain after its not RWD and should be as all BMWs you've previously owned are.
Go elsewhere or leave it be. Fact is again it'll make the game look shite for the sake of a few thousand noobs who cant pay attention for 10s...it cannot be said any simpler and it will not make you a better player. I'd bet a year's wages that the majority of people wanting this haven't even completed vma or sanctum yet and are genuinely deluded enough to think this is why.PC Master Race
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Cimadon✭✭✭The arguments in this thread against having buff timers are filled with logical fallacies. It's not even funny. Also, the timers already exist on the character menu. Simply copy those to the bottom left corner, have an option to toggle them on/off and that's it. Voila.1 -
dposdb14_ESO✭✭✭DRXHarbinger wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »dposdb14_ESO wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »Lol is this where the crowd comes in saying I can't do x content because of it? Also.
Imagine if Gandalf in LOTR or Hobbit movies for instance...a shot came up from 1st person wizard view saying your dots have expired? Would that ruin the movie? Pretty sure it would. Wizards etc don't have HuD. It's not COD or Halo here. Probably why zos never bothered with it. It's basically another tool for completing the game for you and making it easier.
2 ends of the spectrum here on these forums.
1 crying for new content as it's too easy and wanting super hard modes.
2 the rest crying for stuff to make it easier thus repeating the cycle of content becoming too easy.
ZOS will never ever win.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't The Lord of the Rings mmo have buff icons/timers in it?
I'm on about the movie. There is a point when you cannot mix the fantasy element with Sci if.
Well, so when there will be "Elder Scrolls Online: The Movie", there will be no timers. But this, just in case you didn't notice, it's a videogame, not a movie...
It's a game about warriors and Wizards and magic. Not Master Chief with a fully interactive hud and cortana telling him what to do.
Still you are all wrong. 99% of forum dwellers all moan all dungeon content can be solod and 2 manned where it can't be solod and 3 trials are too easy, vma is a cake walk now and there is only one hard piece of content left....oh riiiiiiight I see. That's why people can't do mol....they don't have something none of the others have got.
You see its not justified needing them. We have vma scores almost as high as PC 596k (PC should also for the record as there are more players thus a bigger talent pool) and all other content is done just fine...it's a l2p issue. That is all.
Still waiting for someone to say they need to know when ward expires...because under pressure and trials it does actually last the full 6s. Oh wait you need a pop up saying "shields low" again like a Master Chief.
C'mon, many if not all of the best PC players who post their videos on the tube HAVE any sort of timers and counters active. I don't think this makes them moaning players who have l2p issues...
Yeah and half of them have so much *** on thier screen they can't even see thier character it's cluttered behind endless numbers which btw are impossible to follow unless you're superhuman. But seriously how many actually pay attention to them....you'll never get an honest answer as you should be looking at what you're doing not starting in the corner of your screen. PC UI is horrific.
At best all zos should do is make the skill icons at the bottom look like pot timers. That's it. As for adding *** that makes my screen look like the Millennium Falcon gtfo.
That would be why it is optional. Nobody forces you to have combat text or any other information. Really makes no sense how anyone could be against something that is OPTIONAL. Don't like it? Then don't use it.
There really is no logical arguments against optional ui elements.
To whoever came from pc and doesn't want it well nobody forced you to use it on pc and it wouldn't be forced on console as it would be optional.
Not sure how many more times someone has to say optional before people understand that the addition would be optional. Buff timers are really basic elements of any mmo.
Ffs how many times do you humans need to be told that yeah it'll be optional. You have clearly never run in a top trial. They will be COMPULSORY for them and then the norm. Why does the fact that it's in every other mmo matter?
If you dated blondes all your life and met a brunette would you insist she dyed her hair as all previous women had the same set up? No you wouldn't.
You knew the game didn't have these features and that's it.
You don't go and buy a VW and complain after its not RWD and should be as all BMWs you've previously owned are.
Go elsewhere or leave it be. Fact is again it'll make the game look shite for the sake of a few thousand noobs who cant pay attention for 10s...it cannot be said any simpler and it will not make you a better player. I'd bet a year's wages that the majority of people wanting this haven't even completed vma or sanctum yet and are genuinely deluded enough to think this is why.
How would your guild know if you have it on or off? If you're as good with rotations as you state you are then you could have it off, perform just as good as someone that has it on and no one would ever know you weren't using it. Right?
I'm not understanding why you're so against this idea if it were optional. It won't affect how you play since you have already l2p as you state. It won't impact you negatively only positively because all of us bads that need to l2p will have this "crutch" that will allow you to carry us less often. Or maybe you can enlighten me on how this optional idea would otherwise impact your gameplay negatively.5 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The arguments in this thread against having buff timers are filled with logical fallacies. It's not even funny. Also, the timers already exist on the character menu. Simply copy those to the bottom left corner, have an option to toggle them on/off and that's it. Voila.
@Cimadon
That's kinda explaining exactly what some don't want and possibly exactly what others may want.
However the obvious is this
Wouldn't it make a whole helluva a lot more sense if the entire UI were redone and offered an awesome visual but perhaps on the extreme boarders, clean detailed info
There is plenty of room for compromise and opportunity.-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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dposdb14_ESO✭✭✭Forgot to point out that yes I have completed vet vma numerous times and do so on a regular basis, at least until rng starts favoring me. And yes I've completed vet so and continue to do so on a regular basis.0
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DRXHarbinger✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭dposdb14_ESO wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »dposdb14_ESO wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »Lol is this where the crowd comes in saying I can't do x content because of it? Also.
Imagine if Gandalf in LOTR or Hobbit movies for instance...a shot came up from 1st person wizard view saying your dots have expired? Would that ruin the movie? Pretty sure it would. Wizards etc don't have HuD. It's not COD or Halo here. Probably why zos never bothered with it. It's basically another tool for completing the game for you and making it easier.
2 ends of the spectrum here on these forums.
1 crying for new content as it's too easy and wanting super hard modes.
2 the rest crying for stuff to make it easier thus repeating the cycle of content becoming too easy.
ZOS will never ever win.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't The Lord of the Rings mmo have buff icons/timers in it?
I'm on about the movie. There is a point when you cannot mix the fantasy element with Sci if.
Well, so when there will be "Elder Scrolls Online: The Movie", there will be no timers. But this, just in case you didn't notice, it's a videogame, not a movie...
It's a game about warriors and Wizards and magic. Not Master Chief with a fully interactive hud and cortana telling him what to do.
Still you are all wrong. 99% of forum dwellers all moan all dungeon content can be solod and 2 manned where it can't be solod and 3 trials are too easy, vma is a cake walk now and there is only one hard piece of content left....oh riiiiiiight I see. That's why people can't do mol....they don't have something none of the others have got.
You see its not justified needing them. We have vma scores almost as high as PC 596k (PC should also for the record as there are more players thus a bigger talent pool) and all other content is done just fine...it's a l2p issue. That is all.
Still waiting for someone to say they need to know when ward expires...because under pressure and trials it does actually last the full 6s. Oh wait you need a pop up saying "shields low" again like a Master Chief.
C'mon, many if not all of the best PC players who post their videos on the tube HAVE any sort of timers and counters active. I don't think this makes them moaning players who have l2p issues...
Yeah and half of them have so much *** on thier screen they can't even see thier character it's cluttered behind endless numbers which btw are impossible to follow unless you're superhuman. But seriously how many actually pay attention to them....you'll never get an honest answer as you should be looking at what you're doing not starting in the corner of your screen. PC UI is horrific.
At best all zos should do is make the skill icons at the bottom look like pot timers. That's it. As for adding *** that makes my screen look like the Millennium Falcon gtfo.
That would be why it is optional. Nobody forces you to have combat text or any other information. Really makes no sense how anyone could be against something that is OPTIONAL. Don't like it? Then don't use it.
There really is no logical arguments against optional ui elements.
To whoever came from pc and doesn't want it well nobody forced you to use it on pc and it wouldn't be forced on console as it would be optional.
Not sure how many more times someone has to say optional before people understand that the addition would be optional. Buff timers are really basic elements of any mmo.
Ffs how many times do you humans need to be told that yeah it'll be optional. You have clearly never run in a top trial. They will be COMPULSORY for them and then the norm. Why does the fact that it's in every other mmo matter?
If you dated blondes all your life and met a brunette would you insist she dyed her hair as all previous women had the same set up? No you wouldn't.
You knew the game didn't have these features and that's it.
You don't go and buy a VW and complain after its not RWD and should be as all BMWs you've previously owned are.
Go elsewhere or leave it be. Fact is again it'll make the game look shite for the sake of a few thousand noobs who cant pay attention for 10s...it cannot be said any simpler and it will not make you a better player. I'd bet a year's wages that the majority of people wanting this haven't even completed vma or sanctum yet and are genuinely deluded enough to think this is why.
How would your guild know if you have it on or off? If you're as good with rotations as you state you are then you could have it off, perform just as good as someone that has it on and no one would ever know you weren't using it. Right?
I'm not understanding why you're so against this idea if it were optional. It won't affect how you play since you have already l2p as you state. It won't impact you negatively only positively because all of us bads that need to l2p will have this "crutch" that will allow you to carry us less often. Or maybe you can enlighten me on how this optional idea would otherwise impact your gameplay negatively.
It'll affect me as I'll end up with my screen looking like the death star control room. And countless bugs will go unfixed by zos as they had to appease this crappy request instead.
I'm still amazed that people actually think it'll help them. If this happens the next thing will be it won't be in the right position as you can't focus on looking at the fight and too busy staring at stupid little icons all the time. Do you honestly not see that it'll just turn the game into a button bashing sequence? Just staring at icons in order to maintain efficiency and not actually watching the game and enjoying it? Actually have a look at some pc videos. It's absolutely shocking that some of them actually play like that. Its like something from command and conqueror.PC Master Race
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✭DRXHarbinger wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »dposdb14_ESO wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »Lol is this where the crowd comes in saying I can't do x content because of it? Also.
Imagine if Gandalf in LOTR or Hobbit movies for instance...a shot came up from 1st person wizard view saying your dots have expired? Would that ruin the movie? Pretty sure it would. Wizards etc don't have HuD. It's not COD or Halo here. Probably why zos never bothered with it. It's basically another tool for completing the game for you and making it easier.
2 ends of the spectrum here on these forums.
1 crying for new content as it's too easy and wanting super hard modes.
2 the rest crying for stuff to make it easier thus repeating the cycle of content becoming too easy.
ZOS will never ever win.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't The Lord of the Rings mmo have buff icons/timers in it?
I'm on about the movie. There is a point when you cannot mix the fantasy element with Sci if.
Well, so when there will be "Elder Scrolls Online: The Movie", there will be no timers. But this, just in case you didn't notice, it's a videogame, not a movie...
It's a game about warriors and Wizards and magic. Not Master Chief with a fully interactive hud and cortana telling him what to do.
Still you are all wrong. 99% of forum dwellers all moan all dungeon content can be solod and 2 manned where it can't be solod and 3 trials are too easy, vma is a cake walk now and there is only one hard piece of content left....oh riiiiiiight I see. That's why people can't do mol....they don't have something none of the others have got.
You see its not justified needing them. We have vma scores almost as high as PC 596k (PC should also for the record as there are more players thus a bigger talent pool) and all other content is done just fine...it's a l2p issue. That is all.
Still waiting for someone to say they need to know when ward expires...because under pressure and trials it does actually last the full 6s. Oh wait you need a pop up saying "shields low" again like a Master Chief.
C'mon, many if not all of the best PC players who post their videos on the tube HAVE any sort of timers and counters active. I don't think this makes them moaning players who have l2p issues...
Yeah and half of them have so much *** on thier screen they can't even see thier character it's cluttered behind endless numbers which btw are impossible to follow unless you're superhuman. But seriously how many actually pay attention to them....you'll never get an honest answer as you should be looking at what you're doing not starting in the corner of your screen. PC UI is horrific.
At best all zos should do is make the skill icons at the bottom look like pot timers. That's it. As for adding *** that makes my screen look like the Millennium Falcon gtfo.
That would be why it is optional. Nobody forces you to have combat text or any other information. Really makes no sense how anyone could be against something that is OPTIONAL. Don't like it? Then don't use it.
There really is no logical arguments against optional ui elements.
To whoever came from pc and doesn't want it well nobody forced you to use it on pc and it wouldn't be forced on console as it would be optional.
Not sure how many more times someone has to say optional before people understand that the addition would be optional. Buff timers are really basic elements of any mmo.
Ffs how many times do you humans need to be told that yeah it'll be optional. You have clearly never run in a top trial. They will be COMPULSORY for them and then the norm. Why does the fact that it's in every other mmo matter?
If you dated blondes all your life and met a brunette would you insist she dyed her hair as all previous women had the same set up? No you wouldn't.
You knew the game didn't have these features and that's it.
You don't go and buy a VW and complain after its not RWD and should be as all BMWs you've previously owned are.
Go elsewhere or leave it be. Fact is again it'll make the game look shite for the sake of a few thousand noobs who cant pay attention for 10s...it cannot be said any simpler and it will not make you a better player. I'd bet a year's wages that the majority of people wanting this haven't even completed vma or sanctum yet and are genuinely deluded enough to think this is why.
How many things have been added to the game because players asked for it? How many automakers have altered the next year's model based on customer feedback? Things changes from the original production state based on customer demand all the time. It's a well established part of creating and maintaining a product line which garners continued customer support. The line thinking you espouse to is antithetical to any change every occurring with the game.
However that is not what you, but like a child throwing a tantrum you are unable or unwilling to articulate a more thoughtful and convincing argument besides "it'll look like shite" and "I'm so much better than you", you need to learn to move past this insecurity fueled anger and understand the bluntly and numerously stated fact that you would not be forced to use the effect trackers if you didn't want to.
Oh, and I'll happily call your buff and state that every endgame trial raider I know on PS4, (which includes VMA) and I know most of them. Are proponents of added UI features such as effect trackers. So perhaps you might eant to retract that year's wage bid.
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