Should crown store bought manors count for the title?

Pallmor · January 2017

No

How many Crowns for the Former Emperor title, I mean, since you're selling them now?

rotaugen454 · January 2017

Yes

If your biggest problem is that someone can pay real money for a digital title instead of "earning" it by playing a video game, I envy your life.

Unsent.Soul · January 2017

Yes

Pallmor wrote: »

How many Crowns for the Former Emperor title, I mean, since you're selling them now?

Going out on a limb there I see.

FLuFFyxMuFFiN · January 2017

Yes

I can't wait to buy all the manors with crowns and instantly become better than everyone else. My stats are gonna skyrocket once I put on that Count title.

Sigtric · January 2017

Yes

I don't see why someone who spends crowns shouldn't have the title. Those titles are specifically for owning the houses, not what method used to procure them.

I think a good fix would to be make multiple achievements:
1. One achievement is awarded for meeting all requirements to own the house and awards achievement points
2. a second achievement is created that rewards the title(s) and has ZERO achievement points.

Example:
Player A has 10s of millions of gold and does all the quest requirements to buy the house. When the house(s) are purchased, both the achievement points for owning are applied to that character's count, and the secondary achievement which only rewards the title is applied to the account.

Player B decides to use Crowns to purchase. This goes one of two ways
a) Player B uses Crowns and purchases but has not met the requirements for the gold purchase. The Achievement for the Title is applied but not the achievement for the quest requirements. If and when the requirements are met, the achievement with the points applies to that character.
b) Player B uses crowns and has already met all requirements as if it was a gold purchase. All achievement unlocks are applied.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · January 2017

No

No way (but I know you will get it with crowns).

Said it before and Ill say it again. If you want a Count title it should be earned through in game work. If you are a master of PVP, you get ranks and titles, if you are a master of trials you get a skin and some titles, if you are a master of VMA, you get Flawless title. It should be that if you really are the master of the economy that you get to be called Count.

Putting it in the crown store totally diminishes that title. People would lose their minds if Grand Warlord, Former Emperor or Flawless Conqueror were in the crown store. Count has the potential to be a really rare and unique title, but if they put it in the crownstore, everyone will have it, and it will lose any meaning whatsoever.

Elsonso · January 2017

No

Cherryblossom wrote: »

Soella wrote: »

As far as I am aware, this is first time in ESO someone can buy a title for real money. And not just a title, it is the only title associated with economy oriented players. Do you think it is fair that it can be just bought?

A bit of a stupid question really, why would you make it impossible for someone to get a title!

No title in this game is impossible, but if they don't meet the requirements, they should not get the title.

While the title might be for setting foot in the owned house, the problem that I see is that I cannot buy any house for just gold. I have to meet some Achievement criteria before I can even pay gold for the house. If Crown purchases get the title with no Achievement, I think it is perfectly fine for Gold purchases to get the title with no Achievement.

Eleusian · January 2017

Yes

Artis wrote: »

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

Amazed the thread is still goin lol. Once again the forums never disappoint do they? ZOS does ridiculous nerfs to some classes and "supposedly" fixes the mDK heal, which they certainly did not, and we are here going back and forth about this.

@Artis your tears are so sweet and salty. Can I friend you in game so every time I log in and your online I can link you my title / House achievement that I bought with crowns after this update drops?

In all complete seriousness though, can we please turn our discontent to ZOS about some of these class changes and not worry about whether someone spent gold or crowns on a home and got a title? It's the equivalent of someone upset that a person got the soul shriven skin with a dlc purchase instead of farming molag.

Cheers

You already have me in the friendlist.

No, just like some people are discontent with class changes, others can not like something else and feel shafted.

Eleusian wrote: »

Lol. P2W would imply some type of competitive advantage. Not sure how a housing achievement would qualify. And I don't plan to buy one with game gold or real cash.

Not sure? Just like some people compete in leaderboard scores in trials or cyrodiil, others compete with each other and game in getting all the achievement points (and consequently - rewards for them: titles etc.).

MikeTheeElder wrote: »

P2W implies a competitive advantage, not a purely aesthetic one. Even if gaining the title gives someone an overall "edge" in game achievements, it has nothing to do with the actual playing of the game and offers no competitive advantage. If there was even the slightest in-game bonus that directly impacted either combat prowess, financial gain (gold), or equipment acquisition I'd agree it's P2W. If you're just upset that someone has one of the many meaningless achievements you don't then that's on you. I understand the game is meaningful for some and they take it seriously, but if there isn't any direct impact on how they actually play the game then it simply isn't P2W, no matter how they try and justify it.

what are you saying? so in that case buying gear wouldn't be a competitive advantage too, as long as you can complete content, right? Because apparently score has nothing to do with the actually playing of the game? Yes, achievement scores = what some people estimate their progress with. And it's not even about crowns. It's about having absolutely unreasonable requirements for getting those achievements otherwise.

Just saying, why others can see it as technically p2w. Once again, I have no issue with using crowns for that. But the gold requirements in game are ridiculous. One needs to spend loads of time just farming gold to get there. That's not playing the game.

So you compare made up / fake competitions you create like achievement points totals and compare them to real competitions like trials or PVP leader boards. LOL

mumsspaghetti · January 2017

Yes

nordsavage wrote: »

It is a form of pay to win. Achievements and titles should not be bought.

How is having a title giving you an advantage over other players? does the title add 200 weapon and spell damage or something that I missed?

nordsavage wrote: »

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

Soella wrote: »

DigitalShibby wrote: »

Why wouldn't it? Either way you earned it. Real life money or in game currency, and real life money is supporting the game makers more than in game coin.

Should not title/achievements show our ingame results and not be pay to win?

How exactly is having a title "winning" at the game? Serious..?

The ability to acquire in game gold in large quantities takes time and effort even skill at times. Some kid with mommies credit card should not be able to buy his way in.

What about people who work all week and don't have time for farming gold?

schroed360 · January 2017

No

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

No way (but I know you will get it with crowns).

Said it before and Ill say it again. If you want a Count title it should be earned through in game work. If you are a master of PVP, you get ranks and titles, if you are a master of trials you get a skin and some titles, if you are a master of VMA, you get Flawless title. It should be that if you really are the master of the economy that you get to be called Count.

Putting it in the crown store totally diminishes that title. People would lose their minds if Grand Warlord, Former Emperor or Flawless Conqueror were in the crown store. Count has the potential to be a really rare and unique title, but if they put it in the crownstore, everyone will have it, and it will lose any meaning whatsoever.

Totally agree with you. Bit since we all know that they won t change anything because that represent a lot crown to earn( for zos). Maybe a good alternative would simply to ask for another achievement with associated tittle.
On character achievement part , that could be
Hoard 1 million gold on your character tittle : millionnaire.
Hoard 10 millions : CEO
Hoard 100 millions : bill gate 's apprentice

schroed360 · January 2017

No

Eleusian wrote: »

Artis wrote: »

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

Amazed the thread is still goin lol. Once again the forums never disappoint do they? ZOS does ridiculous nerfs to some classes and "supposedly" fixes the mDK heal, which they certainly did not, and we are here going back and forth about this.

@Artis your tears are so sweet and salty. Can I friend you in game so every time I log in and your online I can link you my title / House achievement that I bought with crowns after this update drops?

In all complete seriousness though, can we please turn our discontent to ZOS about some of these class changes and not worry about whether someone spent gold or crowns on a home and got a title? It's the equivalent of someone upset that a person got the soul shriven skin with a dlc purchase instead of farming molag.

Cheers

You already have me in the friendlist.

No, just like some people are discontent with class changes, others can not like something else and feel shafted.

Eleusian wrote: »

Lol. P2W would imply some type of competitive advantage. Not sure how a housing achievement would qualify. And I don't plan to buy one with game gold or real cash.

Not sure? Just like some people compete in leaderboard scores in trials or cyrodiil, others compete with each other and game in getting all the achievement points (and consequently - rewards for them: titles etc.).

MikeTheeElder wrote: »

P2W implies a competitive advantage, not a purely aesthetic one. Even if gaining the title gives someone an overall "edge" in game achievements, it has nothing to do with the actual playing of the game and offers no competitive advantage. If there was even the slightest in-game bonus that directly impacted either combat prowess, financial gain (gold), or equipment acquisition I'd agree it's P2W. If you're just upset that someone has one of the many meaningless achievements you don't then that's on you. I understand the game is meaningful for some and they take it seriously, but if there isn't any direct impact on how they actually play the game then it simply isn't P2W, no matter how they try and justify it.

what are you saying? so in that case buying gear wouldn't be a competitive advantage too, as long as you can complete content, right? Because apparently score has nothing to do with the actually playing of the game? Yes, achievement scores = what some people estimate their progress with. And it's not even about crowns. It's about having absolutely unreasonable requirements for getting those achievements otherwise.

Just saying, why others can see it as technically p2w. Once again, I have no issue with using crowns for that. But the gold requirements in game are ridiculous. One needs to spend loads of time just farming gold to get there. That's not playing the game.

So you compare made up / fake competitions you create like achievement points totals and compare them to real competitions like trials or PVP leader boards. LOL

Sounds contradictory to me...
To be at the top of the "achievement leaderboard" you need to get vmol hardmode, no death speed run ( i assume that hardmode mean you are into competitive PvE)
AND you also need to get emp and rank 50 which mean your quite competitive in the ap grind leaderboard.
And you need to be able to do all that drinking à huge amount of quality potions meaning you are also competitive in the trader game leaderboard.
Sounds the top of this leaderboard is the one that rule them all...

Artis · January 2017

No

Eleusian wrote: »

So you compare made up / fake competitions you create like achievement points totals and compare them to real competitions like trials or PVP leader boards. LOL

1. PvP and trial leaderboards are also fake and made up competitions in a made up world of a computer game. No one cares except for people who participate and compete for the first place. I competed for the empereror just to get an achievement, I got it and now pvp for fun/for campaign score. No one will remember who was on the first spot a couple weeks ago, but my achievement will stay forever.

2. Who are you to judge me and tell me how to have fun? I'm a completionist and collecting achievements is the same as making progress for me. I never said they should sell leaderboard score boosters to screw up your game, why would you want for me to get bad treatment? And oh I bet it would be so nice and popular to have some score multipliers for crowns. People would buy it, wouldn't they?

mumsspaghetti wrote: »

How is having a title giving you an advantage over other players? does the title add 200 weapon and spell damage or something that I missed?

They are people who play to get achievements and for whom they are the measure of progress. And of course they have to be gotten by in-game means and honestly, without cheating and stuff too. Now, if you can get it for crowns whereas I won't see it any time soon until I farm all that gold - that gives you advantage over me in my eyes. You're buying achievement scores that others are working to get.

mumsspaghetti wrote: »

What about people who work all week and don't have time for farming gold?

Too bad for them (us, actually). It's not like there are other things they can't get. But then again, that is why prices should be cut. The amount of gold it takes to get those titles is absolutely unreasonable for 90% of the players.

Elvira · February 2017

Yes

If title 'not for the real money' is so big thing for you, there are tons of titles unattainable by 'real money'. In the same way you could question all crown store offers which are doable in game as 'pay to win' cheats - including the manors and furniture themself. If you want to 'be special without paying' go for things unattainable by crown store. There's plenty of them.