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Should crown store bought manors count for the title?
Soella
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As far as I am aware, this is first time in ESO someone can buy a title for real money. And not just a title, it is the only title associated with economy oriented players. Do you think it is fair that it can be just bought?
Edited by Soella on January 6, 2017 10:23PM Should crown store bought manors count for the title? 418 votes
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DigitalShibby✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesWhy wouldn't it? Either way you earned it. Real life money or in game currency, and real life money is supporting the game makers more than in game coin.
Edit: I said this below but I'll add it up here... they didn't put Manors behind all those quests because they want you to feel you earned it. That is a sales tactic used to push people towards the crown store when they see the amount of questing required to complete. Remember not every player is a multi year vet with everything completed.
It's simply a sales tactic.Edited by DigitalShibby on January 6, 2017 10:59PM29 -
GeneralFlogger✭✭✭YesMore than 1 way to skin a cat? lol
It doesn't bother me how you obtain them for the title. The fact is the title is not locked in the CS, so open for business for everyone to get.15 -
Soella✭✭✭✭NoDigitalShibby wrote: »Why wouldn't it? Either way you earned it. Real life money or in game currency, and real life money is supporting the game makers more than in game coin.
Should not title/achievements show our ingame results and not be pay to win?21 -
theher0not✭✭✭✭✭NoNo. The titles should show that you can make enough money in game to spend on houses. It will just remove all the value from it if I can get it with real money.12
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nordsavage✭✭✭✭✭NoIt is a form of pay to win. Achievements and titles should not be bought.I didn't choose tank life, tank life chose me.22
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DigitalShibby✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesDigitalShibby wrote: »Why wouldn't it? Either way you earned it. Real life money or in game currency, and real life money is supporting the game makers more than in game coin.
Should not title/achievements show our ingame results and not be pay to win?
You're not winning anything by having a stupid title below your name38 -
Dawnblade✭✭✭✭✭OtherThey should get a special title exclusive to the crown store, like 'Big Spender' or 'Spends Real Money for Pixels' rather than the in-game title.
In all seriousness, titles don't confer any in-game benefit, so who cares?
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Artis✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoNo, they should also be character-wide, because why would a character who didn't earn that gold and quest achievements get a reward and title, amirite? It's not like it's a player putting effort and earning gold and completing content to meet requirements.2 -
MissBizz✭✭✭✭✭
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Because you cannot buy the house a second time. So if you buy the crown version because you're impatient, even if you do have the gold at a later date where you could have bought it... you are now SOL and cannot.Lone Wolf HelpFor the solo players who know, sometimes you just need a hand.PC | NA | AD-DC-EP | Discord25 -
Unsent.Soul✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesDigitalShibby wrote: »Why wouldn't it? Either way you earned it. Real life money or in game currency, and real life money is supporting the game makers more than in game coin.
Should not title/achievements show our ingame results and not be pay to win?
How exactly is having a title "winning" at the game? Serious..?21 -
Thybrinena✭✭✭✭OtherGive crown store buyers a title/achievement that cannot be gotten through ingame gold. Problem solved.
Edited by Thybrinena on January 6, 2017 10:43PM2 -
nordsavage✭✭✭✭✭NoUnsent.Soul wrote: »DigitalShibby wrote: »Why wouldn't it? Either way you earned it. Real life money or in game currency, and real life money is supporting the game makers more than in game coin.
Should not title/achievements show our ingame results and not be pay to win?
How exactly is having a title "winning" at the game? Serious..?
The ability to acquire in game gold in large quantities takes time and effort even skill at times. Some kid with mommies credit card should not be able to buy his way in.I didn't choose tank life, tank life chose me.7 -
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✭NoUnsent.Soul wrote: »DigitalShibby wrote: »Why wouldn't it? Either way you earned it. Real life money or in game currency, and real life money is supporting the game makers more than in game coin.
Should not title/achievements show our ingame results and not be pay to win?
How exactly is having a title "winning" at the game? Serious..?
Just like having higher leaderboard score is? Someone wants to maximize that score, someone wants to maximize his achievement score.5 -
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✭Yesnordsavage wrote: »Unsent.Soul wrote: »DigitalShibby wrote: »Why wouldn't it? Either way you earned it. Real life money or in game currency, and real life money is supporting the game makers more than in game coin.
Should not title/achievements show our ingame results and not be pay to win?
How exactly is having a title "winning" at the game? Serious..?
The ability to acquire in game gold in large quantities takes time and effort even skill at times. Some kid with mommies credit card should not be able to buy his way in.
Lol buy his way into having a meaningless title? Sorry you care so much about lame housing titles hahah they're not even cool.9 -
itehache✭✭✭✭YesI don't see why not. You own the house you get the title. And come on, don't say that's "pay to win", it's just a title.7 -
Ling✭✭✭Otherany achievement/title should be not buyable, doesnt matter if its with ingame gold or real money ...
in my opinion all the new "pay2win" achievements/title should be removed, before it comes on live server!Lìng ~ Ebonheart-PactAchievement points: 33290
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✭✭✭OtherYes, if they have the achievements that would have been needed to buy with gold completed.
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DigitalShibby✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesI just want to add here that they didn't put the manors behind all those quests because they want you to feel you earned it.. that's to shock people into seeing it takes a lot of questing and using the crown store instead. It's simply a sales tactic lol1 -
smacx250✭✭✭✭✭NoI said "no", even though I'm considering crown purchase of housing to save my gold for other stuff (like working on the furniture designs - which could be even more expensive!). Gotta do something with all those sub-crowns. But it seems kinda "low" to just buy a title - especially considering that when purchased wth crowns you get it without any of the quest requirements. Maybe a reasonable compromise would be no title with a crown purchase unless the quest related requirements are also met - and that could occur any time from the purchase or later on?
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GeneralFlogger✭✭✭Yesnordsavage wrote: »Unsent.Soul wrote: »DigitalShibby wrote: »Why wouldn't it? Either way you earned it. Real life money or in game currency, and real life money is supporting the game makers more than in game coin.
Agree.
Should not title/achievements show our ingame results and not be pay to win?
No difference, we are all paying with currency earned though time dedication.
How exactly is having a title "winning" at the game? Serious..?
The ability to acquire in game gold in large quantities takes time and effort even skill at times. Some kid with mommies credit card should not be able to buy his way in.
I'm sitting on quite a few mil (more than enough for 1 manor) and I'm def not some kid w/ mommas cc. I am gonna buy a manor w/ in game gold and prob the other 2 w/ disposable income. That way I don't break the bank for furniture and master craft writs.
I'm not calling you out here, just pointing out there are probably many people like me out there as well.Edited by GeneralFlogger on January 6, 2017 10:53PM11 -
Mic1007✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesDigitalShibby wrote: »Why wouldn't it? Either way you earned it. Real life money or in game currency, and real life money is supporting the game makers more than in game coin.
Should not title/achievements show our ingame results and not be pay to win?
What exactly do you win by having a title over your head?@Mic1007
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smacx250✭✭✭✭✭No
Some may say that the overall achievement score in the game is indicative of "winning" the game. That's what they are often used to indicate. Does this achievement not add to that score?DigitalShibby wrote: »Why wouldn't it? Either way you earned it. Real life money or in game currency, and real life money is supporting the game makers more than in game coin.
Should not title/achievements show our ingame results and not be pay to win?
What exactly do you win by having a title over your head?1 -
lehran✭✭✭Yes1. There are already other achievements that can be purchased in the crown store, motif books spring to mind (you unlock the achievement even if you don't collect all the pages yourself the "normal" way).
2. If it didn't grant the title, there would be no way to repurchase the house with gold and unlock it later, meaning people who get them with the crown store will never be able to obtain that achievement.9 -
Acrolas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭And not just a title, it is the only title associated with economy oriented players. Do you think it is fair that it can be just bought?
First, it's not an it, it's a them. Four titles.
Secondly, the patch notes use acquiring/acquired, meaning the method of obtaining them (gold or crowns) does not matter for the achievement.
"Clan Father or Clan Mother, awarded for acquiring the Aldmeri Dominion Manor, Serenity Falls Estate.
Lord or Lady, awarded for acquiring the Daggerfall Covenant Manor, Daggerfall Overlook.
Councilor, awarded for acquiring the Ebonheart Pact Manor, Ebonheart Chateau.
Count or Countess, awarded only after you’ve acquired all three of the titles above."
Thirdly, it's just a vanity title. Just like real life, there will be a lot of wealthy people in the game who won't want or have the title. I'm not going to spent millions of gold for status I don't care about, nor will I break my bank on three manors I don't want and will provide no real or in-game utility for me. I'm not going to judge people based on the titles, but I also know they're not indicative of anything.signing off3 -
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✭NoWhy EVERYTIME the subject P2W gets a highlight, for any reason, people use as argument ONLY the in-game advantage that money may bring?
For god's sakes if you receive ANYTHING by buying with real money, no matter if big or small, important or useless, it IS pay-to-win because you... are... paying... to WIN... something.
If you spend money to buy-off DLCs, you're paying to receive ("win") access to their content "forever".
Crown Crates? You are paying so the Khajiit will let you open (meaning you're receiving - winning - permission) one from his stock (or whatever concept is behind them, I don't care).
Be more creative defending your point!
On topic: No, Crown Store related items must not worth achievements. EVER! If you wanna track them as achievements-like, go for ESO-Database
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✭✭✭✭✭NoDigitalShibby wrote: »DigitalShibby wrote: »Why wouldn't it? Either way you earned it. Real life money or in game currency, and real life money is supporting the game makers more than in game coin.
Should not title/achievements show our ingame results and not be pay to win?
You're not winning anything by having a stupid title below your name
yeah you are, your winning the right to not be made fun of by people in common chat, and zone chat, and guild chat just because you were not able to earn the gold for that home.
some people cant be here all the time because of real life jobs.
we have a right to not have embarrassing titles and shamed publicly for lack of money.
and "yeah they do ask"
because people demand to see your titles all the time.
especially in groups for dungeons.
Edited by Gilvoth on January 6, 2017 11:43PM0 -
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✭YesYes bc I have lots of real money and want a mansion and get back to pvp'n asap.
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DigitalShibby✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yesdwemer_paleologist wrote: »DigitalShibby wrote: »DigitalShibby wrote: »Why wouldn't it? Either way you earned it. Real life money or in game currency, and real life money is supporting the game makers more than in game coin.
Should not title/achievements show our ingame results and not be pay to win?
You're not winning anything by having a stupid title below your name
yeah you are, your winning the right to not be made fun of by people in common chat, and zone chat, and guild chat just because you were not able to earn the gold for that home.
some people cant be here all the time because of real life jobs.
we have a right to not have embarrassing titles and shamed publicly for lack of money.
People wouldn't make fun of you if you didn't have the title because they have no way of knowing.. there will be many with the title that don't actually set it to active.. and I've never known people to be made fun of for lacking titles. You guys are silly.7 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoDigitalShibby wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »DigitalShibby wrote: »DigitalShibby wrote: »Why wouldn't it? Either way you earned it. Real life money or in game currency, and real life money is supporting the game makers more than in game coin.
Should not title/achievements show our ingame results and not be pay to win?
You're not winning anything by having a stupid title below your name
yeah you are, your winning the right to not be made fun of by people in common chat, and zone chat, and guild chat just because you were not able to earn the gold for that home.
some people cant be here all the time because of real life jobs.
we have a right to not have embarrassing titles and shamed publicly for lack of money.
People wouldn't make fun of you if you didn't have the title because they have no way of knowing.. there will be many with the title that don't actually set it to active.. and I've never known people to be made fun of for lacking titles. You guys are silly.
yeah they would, because people demand to see your titles all the time.
especially in groups for dungeons.2