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Should crown store bought manors count for the title?
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Artis✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoDUTCH_REAPER wrote: »DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »So do tell them all you nay Sayers...what is the difference with purchasing Dark Brotherhood dlc and getting the Assasin achievement title vs buying these homes and getting a title? You had to pay for both. Just curious what your responses will be. And I know the title comes from doing dlc quests but you had to either buy the dlc or buy a membership. Oh and for the record before it's thrown at me, yes I have completed all the Zone achievement for each faction and it doesn't bother me in the slightest that a title is given if someone purchases a home from the crown store and recieves it/them.
Do you seriously not see the difference between paying for the content with access to quests, skill line, NPCs, delves, etc. and paying to get the title directly?
Do you seriously not understand the title is for having the homes and all you cryers are complaining about is someone getting a title for having the home? The ones you get for an explorer or adventurer achievement is sad that other players are basically saying "no no no. It's not fair." Got news for all of you, life is not fair. The mighty dollar speaks way louder than any cry baby/snowflake. I mean seriously. People saying this is P2W....yawn. Anyways they are not even epic titles!! That's the funny thing. These title do not say you have amazing skill. They say you own a home(s).
All of your tears sustain me.
No, I'm just calling your illogical crap of an argument out. Not complaining about titles for having a home. Having such titles is fine as long as they are reasonable attainable in game.
Also, yes life is unfair. That's exactly the point why we spend our time playing computer games instead of living that unfair life. So that argument is irrelevant.
It does not matter that they are epic. What matters is the achievement score and having everything. Getting achievements/titles = completing content for more players than you think. This particular achievement is OVERtuned. The time it takes to get it is enormous. And that should be addressed.
But yeah, you go ahead, insult people and call them names to farm hearts from other mentally challenged.I am really laughing out loud at some of the special snowflakes who are crying because spending real money on a cosmetic vanity item (a manor) will also include with the purchase a cosmetic vanity item (a title).
I guess some of the little kids grew up with participation trophies and don't know any better.
Selling vanity items for real money in the crown store is a completely legitimate way of earning income to keep this game that I love playing alive and well. The simple fact is that those who are crying that these things can be purchased for cash in addition to being able to be purchased with ingame gold are lazy, IMHO.
If having a fancy virtual home or a title that has no meaning outside of vanity / roleplaying is that important to you, then grow up and do what a normal adult would do -- either spend the time to get that much ingame gold or (shock) get a job and with your discretionary entertainment money buy it in the crown store! Problem solved!
And this is not in the least bit lore-breaking. In the real world (from which the Elder Scrolls mythos clearly draw much of their inspiration) titles of nobility could be earned in a wide variety of ways. The most common method, which required NO effort on the part of the recipient, was to simply be born into a family with a hereditary title of nobility.
Could someone earn a title of nobility by some extraordinary service to the crown? Absolutely.
Were people able to purchase titles of nobility for payments of cold hard cash? You betcha! For one example, King James I of England created the title of Baronet for the sole purpose of raising money. A person was able to buy that title from the king, he needed the cash.
https://britannica.com/topic/baronet
Eh that's dumb. Was the whole point to call people snowflakes and pretend that you're so cool insulting them so you can get hearts?
Because what you're saying below is invalid. Oh yeah? One could earn nobility by extraordinary service or by buying? Sure thing. And no one would complain if we had both options. But we only have an option to buy it - which is not even an options for those who don't have time or desire to treat trading as a part-time job. Because it's not playing the game. One could be trading in another game as well or IRL. That's not why some (I'll dare to say most) of us paid money. We paid money to complete content, kill stuff, participate and witness cool stories, not to spend hours a day trading.1 -
Orthodoxa✭✭✭YesDUTCH_REAPER wrote: »DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »So do tell them all you nay Sayers...what is the difference with purchasing Dark Brotherhood dlc and getting the Assasin achievement title vs buying these homes and getting a title? You had to pay for both. Just curious what your responses will be. And I know the title comes from doing dlc quests but you had to either buy the dlc or buy a membership. Oh and for the record before it's thrown at me, yes I have completed all the Zone achievement for each faction and it doesn't bother me in the slightest that a title is given if someone purchases a home from the crown store and recieves it/them.
Do you seriously not see the difference between paying for the content with access to quests, skill line, NPCs, delves, etc. and paying to get the title directly?
Do you seriously not understand the title is for having the homes and all you cryers are complaining about is someone getting a title for having the home? The ones you get for an explorer or adventurer achievement is sad that other players are basically saying "no no no. It's not fair." Got news for all of you, life is not fair. The mighty dollar speaks way louder than any cry baby/snowflake. I mean seriously. People saying this is P2W....yawn. Anyways they are not even epic titles!! That's the funny thing. These title do not say you have amazing skill. They say you own a home(s).
All of your tears sustain me.
No, I'm just calling your illogical crap of an argument out. Not complaining about titles for having a home. Having such titles is fine as long as they are reasonable attainable in game.
Also, yes life is unfair. That's exactly the point why we spend our time playing computer games instead of living that unfair life. So that argument is irrelevant.
It does not matter that they are epic. What matters is the achievement score and having everything. Getting achievements/titles = completing content for more players than you think. This particular achievement is OVERtuned. The time it takes to get it is enormous. And that should be addressed.
But yeah, you go ahead, insult people and call them names to farm hearts from other mentally challenged.I am really laughing out loud at some of the special snowflakes who are crying because spending real money on a cosmetic vanity item (a manor) will also include with the purchase a cosmetic vanity item (a title).
I guess some of the little kids grew up with participation trophies and don't know any better.
Selling vanity items for real money in the crown store is a completely legitimate way of earning income to keep this game that I love playing alive and well. The simple fact is that those who are crying that these things can be purchased for cash in addition to being able to be purchased with ingame gold are lazy, IMHO.
If having a fancy virtual home or a title that has no meaning outside of vanity / roleplaying is that important to you, then grow up and do what a normal adult would do -- either spend the time to get that much ingame gold or (shock) get a job and with your discretionary entertainment money buy it in the crown store! Problem solved!
And this is not in the least bit lore-breaking. In the real world (from which the Elder Scrolls mythos clearly draw much of their inspiration) titles of nobility could be earned in a wide variety of ways. The most common method, which required NO effort on the part of the recipient, was to simply be born into a family with a hereditary title of nobility.
Could someone earn a title of nobility by some extraordinary service to the crown? Absolutely.
Were people able to purchase titles of nobility for payments of cold hard cash? You betcha! For one example, King James I of England created the title of Baronet for the sole purpose of raising money. A person was able to buy that title from the king, he needed the cash.
https://britannica.com/topic/baronet
Eh that's dumb. Was the whole point to call people snowflakes and pretend that you're so cool insulting them so you can get hearts?
Because what you're saying below is invalid. Oh yeah? One could earn nobility by extraordinary service or by buying? Sure thing. And no one would complain if we had both options. But we only have an option to buy it - which is not even an options for those who don't have time or desire to treat trading as a part-time job. Because it's not playing the game. One could be trading in another game as well or IRL. That's not why some (I'll dare to say most) of us paid money. We paid money to complete content, kill stuff, participate and witness cool stories, not to spend hours a day trading.
You do have both options. Like you apparently, I'm not a member of one of the big trading guilds and therefore do not have millions in ingame gold lying around.
So therefore, I will wait to see what the real world crown store prices for these will be. If it is a price that I think is reasonable for the amount of entertainment that it will provide me, then I will buy some property. If not, I won't. It's what grown ups do.
And indeed you have paid money (as have I) to complete content, kill stuff, etc. This update will not remove or hinder your ability to do those things whatsoever.
If having a vanity house and a vanity title are not worth the ingame grinding or the real life money, then by all means don't do it.
This is the same as mounts in the game, players can settle for an ordinary horse bought with ingame gold or spend crowns for some fancy looking one, it is entirely your choice as to whether you think a vanity item is worth grinding for or worth spending crowns on.2 -
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✭✭OtherI think it is a shame that the title is both purchaseable (with crowns) and also account wide.
On the other hand I don't see a way they could have done it any other way without adding a lot of bloat to the game to track potentially 8 times the number of houses and house inventory. As always those of us thst care will find a way ro play around it... in this case by buying the mansions with gold and only using the title on the toon that actually has the gold!0 -
HairyFairy✭✭✭✭Yesyeah, who cares?Hello darkness my old friend
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DUTCH_REAPER✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesAmazed the thread is still goin lol. Once again the forums never disappoint do they? ZOS does ridiculous nerfs to some classes and "supposedly" fixes the mDK heal, which they certainly did not, and we are here going back and forth about this.
@Artis your tears are so sweet and salty. Can I friend you in game so every time I log in and your online I can link you my title / House achievement that I bought with crowns after this update drops?
In all complete seriousness though, can we please turn our discontent to ZOS about some of these class changes and not worry about whether someone spent gold or crowns on a home and got a title? It's the equivalent of someone upset that a person got the soul shriven skin with a dlc purchase instead of farming molag.
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Eleusian✭✭✭YesLol. P2W would imply some type of competitive advantage. Not sure how a housing achievement would qualify. And I don't plan to buy one with game gold or real cash.PS4 NA2 -
P2W implies a competitive advantage, not a purely aesthetic one. Even if gaining the title gives someone an overall "edge" in game achievements, it has nothing to do with the actual playing of the game and offers no competitive advantage. If there was even the slightest in-game bonus that directly impacted either combat prowess, financial gain (gold), or equipment acquisition I'd agree it's P2W. If you're just upset that someone has one of the many meaningless achievements you don't then that's on you. I understand the game is meaningful for some and they take it seriously, but if there isn't any direct impact on how they actually play the game then it simply isn't P2W, no matter how they try and justify it.1 -
azoriangaming✭✭✭✭Yeslol p2w you people who say this is p2w have no idea what p2w is...Edited by azoriangaming on January 8, 2017 9:49PM2 -
Artis✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoDUTCH_REAPER wrote: »Amazed the thread is still goin lol. Once again the forums never disappoint do they? ZOS does ridiculous nerfs to some classes and "supposedly" fixes the mDK heal, which they certainly did not, and we are here going back and forth about this.
@Artis your tears are so sweet and salty. Can I friend you in game so every time I log in and your online I can link you my title / House achievement that I bought with crowns after this update drops?
In all complete seriousness though, can we please turn our discontent to ZOS about some of these class changes and not worry about whether someone spent gold or crowns on a home and got a title? It's the equivalent of someone upset that a person got the soul shriven skin with a dlc purchase instead of farming molag.
Cheers
You already have me in the friendlist.
No, just like some people are discontent with class changes, others can not like something else and feel shafted.Lol. P2W would imply some type of competitive advantage. Not sure how a housing achievement would qualify. And I don't plan to buy one with game gold or real cash.
Not sure? Just like some people compete in leaderboard scores in trials or cyrodiil, others compete with each other and game in getting all the achievement points (and consequently - rewards for them: titles etc.).MikeTheeElder wrote: »P2W implies a competitive advantage, not a purely aesthetic one. Even if gaining the title gives someone an overall "edge" in game achievements, it has nothing to do with the actual playing of the game and offers no competitive advantage. If there was even the slightest in-game bonus that directly impacted either combat prowess, financial gain (gold), or equipment acquisition I'd agree it's P2W. If you're just upset that someone has one of the many meaningless achievements you don't then that's on you. I understand the game is meaningful for some and they take it seriously, but if there isn't any direct impact on how they actually play the game then it simply isn't P2W, no matter how they try and justify it.
what are you saying? so in that case buying gear wouldn't be a competitive advantage too, as long as you can complete content, right? Because apparently score has nothing to do with the actually playing of the game? Yes, achievement scores = what some people estimate their progress with. And it's not even about crowns. It's about having absolutely unreasonable requirements for getting those achievements otherwise.
Just saying, why others can see it as technically p2w. Once again, I have no issue with using crowns for that. But the gold requirements in game are ridiculous. One needs to spend loads of time just farming gold to get there. That's not playing the game.
Edited by Artis on January 8, 2017 11:15PM0 -
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✭YesIt is settled @Artis ...we must duel to the death lol haha
Honestly the way the game has been going and is going with regard to balance. I think I may be dipping out to come back at a later date when ZOS gets their stuff together. Sorry just speaking from a "not content with the games place" ATM.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭YesThe title comes from obtaining the properties and the means is irrelevant. After all, it is just a silly title.1 -
Sigma957✭✭✭✭✭YesWhat is more annoying I suppose is streamers asking for donations so they can buy the manors themselves and don't have to grind or buy crowns for them
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inflaburwb17_ESO✭✭✭Yesdwemer_paleologist wrote: »DigitalShibby wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »DigitalShibby wrote: »DigitalShibby wrote: »Why wouldn't it? Either way you earned it. Real life money or in game currency, and real life money is supporting the game makers more than in game coin.
Should not title/achievements show our ingame results and not be pay to win?
You're not winning anything by having a stupid title below your name
yeah you are, your winning the right to not be made fun of by people in common chat, and zone chat, and guild chat just because you were not able to earn the gold for that home.
some people cant be here all the time because of real life jobs.
we have a right to not have embarrassing titles and shamed publicly for lack of money.
People wouldn't make fun of you if you didn't have the title because they have no way of knowing.. there will be many with the title that don't actually set it to active.. and I've never known people to be made fun of for lacking titles. You guys are silly.
yeah they would, because people demand to see your titles all the time.
especially in groups for dungeons.
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Mwnci✭✭✭YesI voted yes because I simply don't have the time to make a bazillion monies to buy a dope-ass castle on a hill so I can RP all by myself as Count Edgar Markov, teh Vampir Lerd.Edited by Mwnci on January 9, 2017 7:31AMDovahkiin, Dovahkiin, naal ok zin los vahriin,
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Ahrk fin norok paal graan fod nust hon zindro zaan,
Dovahkiin, fah hin kogaan mu draal!3 -
VagabondLife✭✭✭✭Yesnordsavage wrote: »The ability to acquire in game gold in large quantities takes time and effort even skill at times. Some kid with mommies credit card should not be able to buy his way in.
I don't really care one way or the other.
But if it will annoy elitist idiots like this, then definitely YES.
Edited by VagabondLife on January 9, 2017 10:07AM6 -
GaldorP✭✭✭✭✭NoTitles that can be bought for crowns are another step in the wrong direction, in my opinion. Especially ones that take a lot of time and dedication to earn ingame.1 -
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✭NoPersonally, I've never ever agreed with the idea of paying real money to buy something in game when you can get it for free by earning the in-game money, it just takes longer. It's like buying gta dollars in GTA, why pay real money for it when you can earn it for free, it just takes longer. I'm not saying paying real money means you never earned the house in a legitimate way, and I'm not placing anyone on a left or right wing. I just find it really perplexing as to why you'd pay real money for something you could essentially get for ''free''.
The estates and manors in my opinion don't look as good as the large houses, yeah they're bigger and stuff I'm not sold on them as much as I am with the large houses. Especially Stay-Moist Mansion, an absolute class name. Price wise anyway, ive already decided what house I want to buy, (not the mansion btw). Me and my guildies are saving up for the house I want us to have as our guild hall. I understand the limit in a large house at a time is 25 people? (please correct me if I'm wrong) But I don't mind that.
Shame i'll be away in Asia while this updates happens, but at the same time, i'll be in Asia and I'm soooo excited. I wont be back for another 4 months as I leave in 2 days. This update can wait for me
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Enslaved✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭OtherWhat is the big deal? What does that title show? That you spent money. Real or ingame, you just spent it.
Titles related to killing stuff are the ones that count. Pun intended.0 -
schroed360✭✭✭NoUnsent.Soul wrote: »nordsavage wrote: »RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »nordsavage wrote: »It is a form of pay to win. Achievements and titles should not be bought.
Why is a stupid title pay to win? it is not like these do anything ingame. Hell even master fisherman the rarest title doesn't do a thing for you.
There are many who see these things that take time and patients as a victory upon completion. No different than any other accomplishment in the game. By offering these victories through cold hard cash they are diminished and pointless to exist.
If someone cannot earn millions of gold by combat spoils or dealings in game it is a lack of skill or effort and should not be rewarded.
Why play a game only to buy your way through it?
I'm not buying my way through a game, I'm not buying my way to emp, or all skyshards, or all magebooks....
I've completed all quest achievements for all 3 factions. I'll buy my house with crowns and be a "lord" because I can.
My gold is better spent for materials, gear, etc.
Your last comment... it's hard not to laugh, nobody is buying their way through the game, at least that's not possible, currently.
Not possible to buy sprigan sharpened dagger, elegant sword, not possible to pay à guild to get you emperor ( i've already seen those offer)or à trial completion for 12millions?Those 12 mil you saved buy buying mannor with crown or earn buy selling crown gem...I feel like it would be really expensive but still technically possible.0 -
Prof_Bawbag✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭OtherWhat is the big deal? What does that title show? That you spent money. Real or ingame, you just spent it.
Titles related to killing stuff are the ones that count. Pun intended.
In-game no one cares, no one actually pays any attention. It's only on here that people claim to care for some bizarre reason. They have it in their head that they and they alone are the centre of the universe in-game. That we afford them more than a second of our attention and time, whilst they run by us affording us the same amount of attention we give others - zero. I couldn't care less what title you have, just as I assume you couldn't care less what title I'm running around with. People attempt to put others down on here to make themselves appear morally superior because it allows them to harvest sympathy from like minded people.
I also couldn't care less that people rig the emperor achievement in favour of one of their buddies or that they take the game so seriously that they opt for a different faction just to keep their virtual buddies in the loop. I alos couldn't care less if umpteen people have spent THEIR cash on those fancy mounts from the crown crates. None of it impacts on my enjoyment. What does impact on my enjoyment is the numerous performance issues currently affecting PvP because that does affect me directly. It has a direct impact on everyone. I also care that there is no timer on appearance tokens and what you're left with more often than not is a poor representation of what was shown in the creator. It bothers me because those tokens require cash. There are 1001 issues that people should be repeatedly airing on these forums and some inane useless title isn't one of them.
Most of the whining in this thread is because it's all about them, them and them. They don't give a flying jot about the rest of us and as such, I don't give a flying one that their nose has been put out of joint by my spending habits. Let them cry, it's what they do best.Edited by Prof_Bawbag on January 9, 2017 12:34PM3 -
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✭✭Yes
Yes, I think it's perfectly fair.As far as I am aware, this is first time in ESO someone can buy a title for real money. And not just a title, it is the only title associated with economy oriented players. Do you think it is fair that it can be just bought?
This title is purely Vanity (as are every title really...), but the title itself doesn't reflect overcoming some great adversity in the game or expenditure of effort.
Getting the "Sun's Dusk Reaper" title reflects the expenditure of effort to grind out every single one of the achievements during the Witch's Festival. Thus this title should not be able to be "bought". You had to earn it within a certain specific time limit by sacrificing the time to grind out all the content of the Festival.
Getting the "Boethia's Champion" title reflects the expenditure of time and effort to take on the Dragonstar Arena and win. Thus this title should not be able to be "bought". You have to earn it by completing in-game content.
Getting the "Count/Countess" title reflects that... you bought a House. That's it. No in-game content or adversity was faced with much struggle, planning, or skill. You simply paid a bunch of Gold/Crowns, and you get a vanity space to decorate and set up some crafting stations. This title, I have no problem being available to those who spend Crowns vs. in-game Gold.
This is really a non-issue for me. Whether you expend Crowns or in-game Gold, the vanity Title should count just the same.
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✭✭✭✭✭YesThe title won't really mean anything to me anyway. After all, I am The Vestige, and I saved all Tamriel from Molag Bal."Get off my lawn!"1 -
pattyLtd✭✭✭✭✭Yes-rotaugen454 wrote: »The title won't really mean anything to me anyway. After all, I am The Vestige, and I saved all Tamriel from Molag Bal.
Huh, thought that was me?
English is not my native language, no grammar police please, tyvm1 -
Tyrion87✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Such a hot topic on titles not even related with combat skills but only with possessing digital houses and ways to get them?
Wow... first world problems.1 -
rotaugen454✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YesWhen the game first started, I wanted to name my character Lord Poopypants, but the game wouldn't let me.
"Get off my lawn!"0 -
Kodrac✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭OtherMeh. It's just a title. You P2W peeps are hyper paranoid.
Edited by Kodrac on January 9, 2017 3:16PM0 -
Daraugh✭✭✭✭✭YesIt's a free update, so if people buy a manor with crowns I see it the same as buying an xpac and getting a title for entering the new zone or dungeon. It's more like a voluntary payment for an xpac than a mandatory one to gain access to the content.
As far as the argument of spending real money on pixels, if you sub, have ever bought crowns on sale or not, or bought the game, you've spent money on pixels. It's a trite way of putting really, since you're spending money on the real life artwork and systems designed by people who do it for a living. You're supporting the talent of the artists and everyone who works in the studio in any capacity. That being said, it's an upfront purchase, not a gamble. I support that direction.May all beings have happiness
May they be free from suffering
May they find the joy that has never known suffering
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✭YesAs far as I am aware, this is first time in ESO someone can buy a title for real money. And not just a title, it is the only title associated with economy oriented players. Do you think it is fair that it can be just bought?
A bit of a stupid question really, why would you make it impossible for someone to get a title!0
