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Crown price ranges are realistic or crazy for unfurnished houses?
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Stopnaggin✭✭✭✭✭
✭SensibleStopnaggin wrote: »Stopnaggin wrote: »The only thing wrong in this thread is assuming that everyone shares your opinions, and when they don't they are idiots, unreasonable, stupid, whales, ignorant or any other myriad of names. This applies to both sides of the argument. We all find value in different things in the game and that is quite all right.
No, what's really wrong with this thread is people sowing conflict where there needn't be. People are expressing their opinions, that's what this thread is for. If you disagree, say so, but don't make character judgements on people just because they say something you dislike. We're all human on the other side of the screen.
And thank you for making my point. I'm no judging anyone, just quoting some of the things said, from both sides. I will continue to respect another point of view, but when name calling comes in then just nope. I have not called anyone anything for their opinion on this subject, they are certainly entitled to have it. As I have stated before value is subjective and I'm not going to tell anyone what they should or shouldnt value.
I hear that's your intent, but if people are responding to you as though you are being judgmental, then perhaps you aren't coming across as you'd like to.
I still confused as to what I have said that appears to be judgemental. My stance was mine alone, 10k is perfectly fine with me. I have not resorted to name calling or insults. Unless directly attacked. But let me start over.
10k crowns for an unfurnished manor, imho, is fine. I don't want a pre-furnished house. Is 10k right for everyone, no. Everyone has different opinions on how to play the game, ie pvp, pve, trials and dungeons etc. Not one of them is wrong. For some of us there is value in the manor. I could buy it with gold, but I prefer to save my gold for decorating. This is by no means wrong, because the value I percieve from owning manor will be worth it. For those with other opinions are absolutely correct as well, they do not see any value because they do not play the same way or they percieve it to be not enough value.
I also have noticed that people complain about rising prices in the crown store, and some of that is very true and somewhat disturbing, it's not all completely grounded in reality. I will give you some examples:
1. crown store exclusive motifs vs in game motifs. Exclusive motifs were priced much lower than those of the in game variety. For all the uproar about 6k for the dromathra motif, it in reality it isn't far off the mark from other in game motifs from the crown store. The other in game motifs were 5k crowns, and did not come with mimic stones. So they are very much in line with pricing.
2. Bank and bag space upgrades 1K crowns in store or very cheap in game, to a points.
3. Potions and meals also high in store compared to in game
Now what I have noticed over the past couple of year, thing that are in the crown store and also in game are generally higher than store exclusive items. With that being said I would assume that those in game items are higher in the store as to not diminish those who put in the time and effort to get them in game. Again speculation on my part, but also just an observation on my part.
What I did find somewhat offensive is the need to resort to name calling when some does not agree with another. I would much rather we have a grown up debate or conversation. This doesn't just apply in these forums but in life as well. I will continue to respect someone's opinion, even if I do not agree with it. What I won't do is intentionally try to belittle someone for not sharing my views. Has it happened, sure, I'm human and can be aggrivated to the point of name calling or other behavior I am not proud of. At the end of the day we are all the same, we come to the forums, we play the game and try to have a little escape while doing so.
So in ending if I have offended someone I apologize. It was not my intention to do so.1 -
Gomumon✭✭✭Too high...While hardcore MMO fans may adhere to such pricing, I feel like most reasonable people will feel that an in-game cosmetic item that doesn't provide much value isn't worth the price of another full game, or two. I feel like if ZOS wants to appeal to a core audience, they should lower crown store prices to better match the term "microtransaction."
I can't picture anyone having the option to get a new game, or PC component, and choosing to get a furnished manor instead.2 -
Chadak✭✭✭✭✭Too high...I'll laugh myself *** while I putz around with the free apartment that does nothing.
If I decide I want to RP...ok. I'll decorate that free apartment. Make it look swank.
Will I spend millions of gold on something big? No.
Tens of thousands of crowns? Lolno.
I'll make furniture to sell to the ah...discerning and eternally wise customers seeking to furnish their lavish abodes.
I'll exploit this to the nines and make as much money for myself as possible.
Then I'll buy more gearset pieces for different sets I wanna try out and save myself some time on farming.
Other peoples' mileage may vary, but...I've been on the PTS. I've played with the housing system as it is there.
It ain't terrible, but it has zero practical value.2 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Too high...For the most part folks....the harm or damage is done......no sense arguing among one another
Take that aggression out towards ZOS more appropriately and constructively-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Darkstorne✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭SensibleThe prices are fine. If you sub for a single month you can buy an apartment. Three months is enough for the priciest small home, and six months is enough for the priciest large home.
These are all available for in-game currency as well, which is the important thing here. ALL the new mounts and outfits are being restricted to the Crown Store only, while this is content that you can earn by simply playing the game. If you want to splash out to get it immediately, then go for it. Otherwise, just play the game that you enjoy enough to be posting on the forums for.Edited by Darkstorne on February 6, 2017 2:36PM0 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Too high...
I'm thinking it's too expensive....so much for micro transactions. Ingame home exceeds the price of the CE edition for ES and Morrowind bundles with physical collectibles-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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✭✭Too high...They will need to add larger Crown packs for a start.
Also not buying anything from these abusive exploiters unless it's on sale!1 -
Stopnaggin✭✭✭✭✭
✭SensibleNewBlacksmurf wrote: »
I'm thinking it's too expensive....so much for micro transactions. Ingame home exceeds the price of the CE edition for ES and Morrowind bundles with physical collectibles
Yeah, but my guess is still that housing was meant to be a sink. People like me who sub and buy crowns on sale have been sitting on them for a while. This will give a reason to spend those, at least for some of us. Also a gold sink for those who have stockpiled gold.
I agree with the precious sentiment about people taking out their frustrations on ZOS not the player base. Good to see someone else show a little restrainy when posting. I actually enjoy a good debate every once in a while, seem like it's a lost art.0 -
Krileon✭✭✭✭Too high...Drop the prices by half and I'll begin to care. What a complete and total rip off. I was ready to buy 3 houses, but at these prices no thanks. If anyone thinks $120 for a manor is OK then I'll show you a person suffering from insanity.2 -
azoriangaming✭✭✭✭Surprised....i'm quite surprised I was expecting a lot higher prices to be honest.0 -
Stopnaggin✭✭✭✭✭
✭SensibleDrop the prices by half and I'll begin to care. What a complete and total rip off. I was ready to buy 3 houses, but at these prices no thanks. If anyone thinks $120 for a manor is OK then I'll show you a person suffering from insanity.
Again quit with the insults. Value is subjective, some people pay $10000 for a watch when a $10 works just the same. There isn't anything wrong with it, if they can afford it. What else do I spend my crowns on? The reason I have so many is because there hasn't been anything that I value enough to use them on, now I do.1 -
Krileon✭✭✭✭Too high...Stopnaggin wrote: »Drop the prices by half and I'll begin to care. What a complete and total rip off. I was ready to buy 3 houses, but at these prices no thanks. If anyone thinks $120 for a manor is OK then I'll show you a person suffering from insanity.
Again quit with the insults. Value is subjective, some people pay $10000 for a watch when a $10 works just the same. There isn't anything wrong with it, if they can afford it. What else do I spend my crowns on? The reason I have so many is because there hasn't been anything that I value enough to use them on, now I do.
Look, found an insane person. Enjoy your extortion. The greed of this game just gets worse with every patch. It's sickening. I would have NO issues with $60 manor FURNISHED, but $120 is INSANE.Edited by Krileon on February 6, 2017 3:08PM1 -
AnviOfVai✭✭✭✭✭
✭Too high...Too high for a cosmetic only home
If it actually had some use I would actually get one"I appear at my lord's behest, or perhaps I was always here, and you merely lacked the ability to see me."
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Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Surprised....NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
I'm thinking it's too expensive....so much for micro transactions. Ingame home exceeds the price of the CE edition for ES and Morrowind bundles with physical collectibles
This game has never been about micro transactions.XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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Dark_Aether✭✭✭✭Too high...10mil gold sitting in my bank so...Edited by Dark_Aether on February 6, 2017 3:20PM0 -
BlackEar✭✭✭✭✭Surprised....Too low.
Manors for 10k crowns = 3.8 million gold is not a fair conversion in my opinion.
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Witar✭✭✭✭✭'Merica guys, could you please post crown pricing on houses for you less lucky european pals?It cannot be seen, cannot be felt,
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Chrysa1is✭✭✭✭✭
✭Other....If you are going to be the person that buys these houses with crowns, then you are the reason Zenimax will continue to charge insane amounts for in-game content.
Why buy these houses with real money when you can buy them with gold that you can earn free in the game. I find it so perplexing. This will separate the P2W players from the boyz.
I don't care about crown store exclusives, that's just pure bait.
Keep it friendly guys, just one opinion and view.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Surprised....Morrowind Collector’s Edition = $99.99
Ebonheart Chateau = $119.97
You want premium content, you pay for premium content. Simple as that.Edited by Elsonso on February 6, 2017 3:40PMXBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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Krileon✭✭✭✭Too high...lordrichter wrote: »
You missed the point. The cosmetic digital house is valued more than the morrowind collectors edition, which comes with a PHYSICAL OBJECT.. but ok then.. keep feeding ZoS and their crown store insanity. Prices will continue to go up and you'll continue to pay them happily I guess. What's next? 12,000 crowns for a horse?
Edit: Just read your signature.. "Studios that can make great games, do. Those that cannot, make online stores." ironic.Edited by Krileon on February 6, 2017 3:43PM1 -
Stopnaggin✭✭✭✭✭
✭SensibleStopnaggin wrote: »Drop the prices by half and I'll begin to care. What a complete and total rip off. I was ready to buy 3 houses, but at these prices no thanks. If anyone thinks $120 for a manor is OK then I'll show you a person suffering from insanity.
Again quit with the insults. Value is subjective, some people pay $10000 for a watch when a $10 works just the same. There isn't anything wrong with it, if they can afford it. What else do I spend my crowns on? The reason I have so many is because there hasn't been anything that I value enough to use them on, now I do.
Look, found an insane person. Enjoy your extortion. The greed of this game just gets worse with every patch. It's sickening. I would have NO issues with $60 manor FURNISHED, but $120 is INSANE.
Again with the insults, first off I'm not buying a furnished manor. I will decorate myself. How exactly am I being extorted? Do you even know the meaning of the word? Sorry but using words that are wrong or words that you don't know the meaning of does not further your argument. It in fact, at least imho, it shows a level of ignorance that is all to prevalent in these forums.
For the record, I'm not insane, my mother had me tested.2 -
Woenprom✭✭✭Too high...
Since DroMathra Senche GreedyMax cant surprise me by prices anymore.
Crown Store-only House Storage Upgrade for just 9999c wont surprise me either....
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Krileon✭✭✭✭Too high...Stopnaggin wrote: »Stopnaggin wrote: »Drop the prices by half and I'll begin to care. What a complete and total rip off. I was ready to buy 3 houses, but at these prices no thanks. If anyone thinks $120 for a manor is OK then I'll show you a person suffering from insanity.
Again quit with the insults. Value is subjective, some people pay $10000 for a watch when a $10 works just the same. There isn't anything wrong with it, if they can afford it. What else do I spend my crowns on? The reason I have so many is because there hasn't been anything that I value enough to use them on, now I do.
Look, found an insane person. Enjoy your extortion. The greed of this game just gets worse with every patch. It's sickening. I would have NO issues with $60 manor FURNISHED, but $120 is INSANE.
Again with the insults, first off I'm not buying a furnished manor. I will decorate myself. How exactly am I being extorted? Do you even know the meaning of the word? Sorry but using words that are wrong or words that you don't know the meaning of does not further your argument. It in fact, at least imho, it shows a level of ignorance that is all to prevalent in these forums.
For the record, I'm not insane, my mother had me tested.
In the context used it does not mean literal extortion. In the same sense you see something high priced and proclaim robbery. Words have many meanings these days and fit into many different contexts beyond their literal definition and is one of the key reasons English is a difficult language to learn. You say stop with insults and you insult.
Maybe you're fine with these outrageous prices, but as prices continue to go up for every new crown store item when is your breaking point? After everyone else has quit? When does it end? Do you even have a line or do you just enjoy throwing money at your screen? I don't get it. People here can't fight against this obvious greed without people like you who have drank the ZoS koolaid jumping down their throat. I'm not saying drop manor to $10, but $60 for furnished manor would've been entirely reasonable and people here likely would not be throwing such a massive fit.1 -
Zypheran✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Too high...WOW... The prices are SO high !!! I cant understand the thinking behind the ludicrously high prices.
€110 for Ebonheart Manor versus €40 for the game itself and €40 for the expansion..... and 29% of you think these prices are sensible?? The only explanation I can think of for the outcome of this poll, is that people who can afford the manors with in game gold want to see the crown prices ridiculously high so as to maintain the exclusivity.
ZOS, well done on Homestead. I think all in all it was a very well put together system and fabulous addition to the game but I think you guys are so far off the mark with these prices that unfortunately a lot of players wont get to engage with this new system.All my housing builds are available on YouTube
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Stopnaggin✭✭✭✭✭
✭SensibleStopnaggin wrote: »Stopnaggin wrote: »Drop the prices by half and I'll begin to care. What a complete and total rip off. I was ready to buy 3 houses, but at these prices no thanks. If anyone thinks $120 for a manor is OK then I'll show you a person suffering from insanity.
Again quit with the insults. Value is subjective, some people pay $10000 for a watch when a $10 works just the same. There isn't anything wrong with it, if they can afford it. What else do I spend my crowns on? The reason I have so many is because there hasn't been anything that I value enough to use them on, now I do.
Look, found an insane person. Enjoy your extortion. The greed of this game just gets worse with every patch. It's sickening. I would have NO issues with $60 manor FURNISHED, but $120 is INSANE.
Again with the insults, first off I'm not buying a furnished manor. I will decorate myself. How exactly am I being extorted? Do you even know the meaning of the word? Sorry but using words that are wrong or words that you don't know the meaning of does not further your argument. It in fact, at least imho, it shows a level of ignorance that is all to prevalent in these forums.
For the record, I'm not insane, my mother had me tested.
In the context used it does not mean literal extortion. In the same sense you see something high priced and proclaim robbery. Words have many meanings these days and fit into many different contexts beyond their literal definition and is one of the key reasons English is a difficult language to learn. You say stop with insults and you insult.
Maybe you're fine with these outrageous prices, but as prices continue to go up for every new crown store item when is your breaking point? After everyone else has quit? When does it end? Do you even have a line or do you just enjoy throwing money at your screen? I don't get it. People here can't fight against this obvious greed without people like you who have drank the ZoS koolaid jumping down their throat. I'm not saying drop manor to $10, but $60 for furnished manor would've been entirely reasonable and people here likely would not be throwing such a massive fit.
My line is what I percieve to be of value. I do not drink any Zos koolaid. They indeed have items that I do not agree with. I bought the dro mathra senche mount because it fit my personality, I also had the crowns from my sub to purchase it, so there was no added cost to me. The elk mount I could have bought, but I did not like it and it was over priced in my eyes. The same people screaming about the dromathra motif for 6k crowns, it's a perceived over price, when in actuality it is on par with previous in game motifs sold in the store. Glass, Trinimac and others were 5k crowns with no mimic stones. Yet for some reason people want to compare against cs exclusive items. Crown crates, again optional junk, I tried them, not worth it for me. Others see it differently.
Again it's a matter opinion, not fact. Some people will see value in the prices, some wont. Neither side is wrong, only you can decide what is worth the price, and only for yourself. And sorry if you were insulted by my statement, it was not intended as such. I used the word ignorance in its pure form, not knowing. I will stand by that statement as it hold true. You and those who are in your camp, prices too high, are certainly entitled to your opinion, as are the other side.
Every on of us here have thrown money at the screen. How much is up to you. You are free to not buy the manors, furnished or not, with crowns or gold. Just because some of us choose a different option doesn't make us idiots, insane, stupid or the reason they cost so much.If you are going to be the person that buys these houses with crowns, then you are the reason Zenimax will continue to charge insane amounts for in-game content.
Why buy these houses with real money when you can buy them with gold that you can earn free in the game. I find it so perplexing. This will separate the P2W players from the boyz.
I don't care about crown store exclusives, that's just pure bait.
Keep it friendly guys, just one opinion and view.
As friendly as possible. I am sitting on crowns from sales and my sub, what exactly should I spend them on? This is not p2w. Housing does not offer any competitive advantage. It does offer me many extra hours of enjoyment because I like to craft. Which I will do with my saved in game gold. It really isn't perplexing, at least to me. I have the crowns already, I'm not going out and buying several packs just to purchase a manor, I have them sitting there already. I'm sure I'm not the only one either. And since there isn't anything at the moment I would use them on, this seems like something for me to finally unload them on. So it isn't just 2 camps here. Just another point to think about.0
