Should I unsubscribe from ESO+?

SnuggleMePlease · February 2017

Given the situation with the Morrowind Expansion, I am simply wondering if it would be more prudent of me to save my money by cancelling my subscription for the next few months. One of the main reasons I subscribed to ESO+ is because I was under the impression that I would no longer have to worry about paying for newly-released content. Now, however, since ZoS has created an arbitrary distinction between two things which are essentially the same, I'm wondering if it is really worth it. What are the benefits of ESO+ aside from access to newly-released content (which we can't necessarily count as a benefit now)?

jedtb16_ESO · February 2017

yes..... can i have your stuff?

Katahdin · February 2017

No one can answer that for you. You need to decide that for yourself

Toc de Malsvi · February 2017

But what about the bag's?

Molydeus · February 2017

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

yes..... can i have your stuff?

You can play this game without a sub. He's not leaving.

Trolls these days--such amateurs.

JD2013 · February 2017

Make your own decisions. Master your own destiny. Be the decider.

SnuggleMePlease · February 2017

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

But what about the bag's?

That is the only thing that makes ESO+ slightly worth it in my opinion. The crafting bag is really useful, but I've managed without it before.

Also, while I'm at it, I just want to clarify that I would mainly like to generate discussion and gather opinions on the matter? I'm not necessarily asking someone to make a decision for me.

AdamBourke · February 2017

I unsubbed because of this.

But... i've been playing recently and thinking about how much harder crafting would be - and the forthcoming housing update...

And dyes. I just managed to get 8-traits on all the gear i use... so im due to craft new gear... but i need it to match!

I think i might be resubbing soon.

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

yes..... can i have your stuff?

You know that subs arent compulsory anymore right? Unsubbing is not the same as quitting...

danno8 · February 2017

SnuggleMePlease wrote: »

Given the situation with the Morrowind Expansion, I am simply wondering if it would be more prudent of me to save my money by cancelling my subscription for the next few months. One of the main reasons I subscribed to ESO+ is because I was under the impression that I would no longer have to worry about paying for newly-released content. Now, however, since ZoS has created an arbitrary distinction between two things which are essentially the same, I'm wondering if it is really worth it. What are the benefits of ESO+ aside from access to newly-released content (which we can't necessarily count as a benefit now)?

When you subscribe, you should be doing it to play for free the content in the game RIGHT NOW. You should not be subscribing right now in order to play for free content that is not even in the game.

jedtb16_ESO · February 2017

Molydeus wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

yes..... can i have your stuff?

You can play this game without a sub. He's not leaving.

Trolls these days--such amateurs.

hey, there is no harm in trying....

and who's trolling who?

(looks like your soh bypass is working)

silvereyes · February 2017

If you do the math on the value of the crowns if you were to buy them on sale, it comes out to about $6/mo. So if you use crowns regularly, the net cost of a sub is $7-9/mo for the other perks, which include:

Craft bag access
The ability to dye costumes without purchasing dye packs
Double the number of housing items you can place in your houses.
+10% XP boost
+10% gold drops
+10% inspiration (crafting) boost
Continued access to any DLC you haven't purchased with Crowns. Keep in mind Maelstrom Arena, Blade of Woe and Thieves Troves are all gated content, not to mention any gated crafting stations (Morkuldin, Clever Alchemist, Armor Master, etc.)

If you don't use crowns, well, it's a bit more expensive of a proposition just for a few extra perks.

SnuggleMePlease · February 2017

danno8 wrote: »

SnuggleMePlease wrote: »

Given the situation with the Morrowind Expansion, I am simply wondering if it would be more prudent of me to save my money by cancelling my subscription for the next few months. One of the main reasons I subscribed to ESO+ is because I was under the impression that I would no longer have to worry about paying for newly-released content. Now, however, since ZoS has created an arbitrary distinction between two things which are essentially the same, I'm wondering if it is really worth it. What are the benefits of ESO+ aside from access to newly-released content (which we can't necessarily count as a benefit now)?

When you subscribe, you should be doing it to play for free the content in the game RIGHT NOW. You should not be subscribing right now in order to play for free content that is not even in the game.

What makes you say that? I mean, if you market a service or product as giving you access to all current and future DLCs, then you can't really blame customers for expecting that.

Alpheu5 · February 2017

If I didn't intend to attempt furniture crafting with Homestead, and thus require the crafting bag to keep all the new materials introduced (with no increase to inventory options, I might add), then I would have done just that.

Izaki · February 2017

SnuggleMePlease wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

SnuggleMePlease wrote: »

Given the situation with the Morrowind Expansion, I am simply wondering if it would be more prudent of me to save my money by cancelling my subscription for the next few months. One of the main reasons I subscribed to ESO+ is because I was under the impression that I would no longer have to worry about paying for newly-released content. Now, however, since ZoS has created an arbitrary distinction between two things which are essentially the same, I'm wondering if it is really worth it. What are the benefits of ESO+ aside from access to newly-released content (which we can't necessarily count as a benefit now)?

When you subscribe, you should be doing it to play for free the content in the game RIGHT NOW. You should not be subscribing right now in order to play for free content that is not even in the game.

What makes you say that? I mean, if you market a service or product as giving you access to all current and future DLCs, then you can't really blame customers for expecting that.

Its not a DLC, its an expansion. There's a difference, mainly in size and also in the functionality.

gbaker42 · February 2017

The crafting bag and crowns every month keep me subbed.

idk · February 2017

@SnuggleMePlease

Yes. Drop your sub. Anytime someone questions if they should sub or not it's best they choose to not. I don't think you really need us to make the choice for you.

I'm still a sub. I didn't question such things.

drwookieb14_ESO · February 2017

I think it is a reasonable question to ask considering Homestead comes out next week and you don't really need ESO + for that, and then the next update is Morrowind, which you won't be given by being a subscriber.

So really the next "content" that an ESO + member will get won't be until Q3 (September maybe?). That is one major perk of the subscription taken away from the next ~7 months roughly.

So the question is:
1. Do you use the prior DLC content regularly?
2. Do you use the craft bag - is it worth it?
3. Do you use the crowns or foresee a benefit to saving them?

If no to all 3 and you really are just a subscriber to get free DLC then by all means cancel.

MissBizz · February 2017

AdamBourke wrote: »

I unsubbed because of this.

But... i've been playing recently and thinking about how much harder crafting would be - and the forthcoming housing update...

And dyes. I just managed to get 8-traits on all the gear i use... so im due to craft new gear... but i need it to match!

I think i might be resubbing soon.

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

yes..... can i have your stuff?

You know that subs arent compulsory anymore right? Unsubbing is not the same as quitting...

FYI @AdamBourke people who don't sub can dye armor too. It's just costumes that only ESO+ members can dye at the stations.

j_s · February 2017

I think it would be a good idea to cancel subscription for the next few months, if you can live without the crafter's bag.

There won't be a DLC in the next month anyway, and when you have saved the monthly fees to pay for the expansion, you can re-sub for the next DLC...

I might do the same.

gard · February 2017

danno8 wrote: »

SnuggleMePlease wrote: »

Given the situation with the Morrowind Expansion, I am simply wondering if it would be more prudent of me to save my money by cancelling my subscription for the next few months. One of the main reasons I subscribed to ESO+ is because I was under the impression that I would no longer have to worry about paying for newly-released content. Now, however, since ZoS has created an arbitrary distinction between two things which are essentially the same, I'm wondering if it is really worth it. What are the benefits of ESO+ aside from access to newly-released content (which we can't necessarily count as a benefit now)?

When you subscribe, you should be doing it to play for free the content in the game RIGHT NOW. You should not be subscribing right now in order to play for free content that is not even in the game.

Wow. People have some really weird ideas about what "free" means.

Alpheu5 · February 2017

gard wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

SnuggleMePlease wrote: »

Given the situation with the Morrowind Expansion, I am simply wondering if it would be more prudent of me to save my money by cancelling my subscription for the next few months. One of the main reasons I subscribed to ESO+ is because I was under the impression that I would no longer have to worry about paying for newly-released content. Now, however, since ZoS has created an arbitrary distinction between two things which are essentially the same, I'm wondering if it is really worth it. What are the benefits of ESO+ aside from access to newly-released content (which we can't necessarily count as a benefit now)?

When you subscribe, you should be doing it to play for free the content in the game RIGHT NOW. You should not be subscribing right now in order to play for free content that is not even in the game.

Wow. People have some really weird ideas about what "free" means.

If you pay the grocer a set amount of money, the store will actually give you everything in your shopping cart for free.

NewBlacksmurf · February 2017

If the basis is solely or primarily for content and your questioning it.

I think it's O K to cancel for 3-4 months to buy Morrowind. That makes sense.

Afterwards if you see reason to sub, do it

AlnilamE · February 2017

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@SnuggleMePlease

Yes. Drop your sub. Anytime someone questions if they should sub or not it's best they choose to not. I don't think you really need us to make the choice for you.

I'm still a sub. I didn't question such things.

I think this is a good perspective.

Worst case scenario, if you find that you miss the sub too much, you can instantly resub, right?

Keep_Door · February 2017

Yes

sevomd69 · February 2017

AlnilamE wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@SnuggleMePlease

Yes. Drop your sub. Anytime someone questions if they should sub or not it's best they choose to not. I don't think you really need us to make the choice for you.

I'm still a sub. I didn't question such things.

I think this is a good perspective.

Worst case scenario, if you find that you miss the sub too much, you can instantly resub, right?

yes...yes...and finally yes....

danno8 · February 2017

SnuggleMePlease wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

SnuggleMePlease wrote: »

Given the situation with the Morrowind Expansion, I am simply wondering if it would be more prudent of me to save my money by cancelling my subscription for the next few months. One of the main reasons I subscribed to ESO+ is because I was under the impression that I would no longer have to worry about paying for newly-released content. Now, however, since ZoS has created an arbitrary distinction between two things which are essentially the same, I'm wondering if it is really worth it. What are the benefits of ESO+ aside from access to newly-released content (which we can't necessarily count as a benefit now)?

When you subscribe, you should be doing it to play for free the content in the game RIGHT NOW. You should not be subscribing right now in order to play for free content that is not even in the game.

What makes you say that? I mean, if you market a service or product as giving you access to all current and future DLCs, then you can't really blame customers for expecting that.

Hold on now. You think paying for a subscription right now let's me play content for free 3 months from now? You need to have a subscription now to play content now. You need to have a subscription in 3 months to play the content (new or old) 3 months from now.

People seem to believe that having a subscription for the last 2 years "banked" privilege for them. Everything you paid for with your subscription you have received. If they chose to release content now that is not covered by a subscription you can choose to not subscribe. You owe them nothing, they owe you nothing.

Like I said in another thread, only people who purchased a 6 month subscription that will overlap into the new content in June have a case to be upset, maybe. But then those people had no idea new content was coming out when they purchased the 6 month sub (and were satisfied with their purchase at that time) so maybe not.

Cadbury · February 2017

I sub for the craft bag and the ability to dye costumes. But that's just me.

lehran · February 2017

Do you purchase other things (cosmetics, mounts, etc.) with your crown stipend?

If yes, is the Crafting Bag and gold/xp boost worth $8.50 a month for you?
If no, is the Crafting Bag and gold/xp boost worth $15 a month for you?

If you find the bag and other perks are worth that price, then stay subscribed. If not, then unsubscribe and purchase any relevant DLC yourself (using saved crowns if you have any, otherwise go nuts next time crowns go on sale and pick up a bunch of 5500 packs for $24). I arrived at $8.50 by looking at the per-crown price of the 5500 pack at its sale price, as I find it more likely that people will be wanting to wait for sales to pick up bulk amounts of crowns rather than purchasing crowns at full price or in smaller packs. 1500 crowns at that sale price comes out to around $6.50, meaning that the DLC access, crafting bag, and gold/xp boost makes up the other $8.50. The DLC access will pretty much never be worth the rental price over outright purchasing them given the announced scheme; even assuming 3 DLC per year at $30 per DLC, you're paying twice that to rent for a single year versus simply owning them outright and not losing access should you drop the sub. Given that the chances of getting 3 paid DLC per year seems low (things like Homestead or One Tamriel eat into that), and that DLC is typically less than $30, you're even worse off. As such, I'm not including it in the above question because I don't think you can really ever call it "worth it" to rent the DLC.

Renting the DLC can be worth it if you play in short bursts; you can sub for 1-2 months, play to your heart's content, then take a year off for more content to be released before putting in another 1-2 month spurt. This will be far cheaper than purchasing DLC individually, however it requires that you stop playing or at the very least stop playing DLC content for long periods of time.

ZiRM · February 2017

Do what you want.

jircris11 · February 2017

SnuggleMePlease wrote: »

Given the situation with the Morrowind Expansion, I am simply wondering if it would be more prudent of me to save my money by cancelling my subscription for the next few months. One of the main reasons I subscribed to ESO+ is because I was under the impression that I would no longer have to worry about paying for newly-released content. Now, however, since ZoS has created an arbitrary distinction between two things which are essentially the same, I'm wondering if it is really worth it. What are the benefits of ESO+ aside from access to newly-released content (which we can't necessarily count as a benefit now)?

Where most go wrong is assuming this is a dlc when in fact it's an expansion. All MMOs do this hell look at wow, EverQuest, guild wars. They all follow this path. As for your sub that is up to you. Personally I will remain subbed because I love this game.

silvereyes · February 2017

SnuggleMePlease wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

When you subscribe, you should be doing it to play for free the content in the game RIGHT NOW. You should not be subscribing right now in order to play for free content that is not even in the game.

What makes you say that? I mean, if you market a service or product as giving you access to all current and future DLCs, then you can't really blame customers for expecting that.

If you pay up front for any online content, from any company, you are always taking a risk that the content will change or not be as expected. The longer the subscription period that you pay up front, the greater the risk. This seems to be a lesson a lot of ESO+ subscribers are just learning.

That's just how subscriptions work. They aren't content promises. You get access to all applicable content currently available for the duration of your subscription. If your subscription is several months, then if any new applicable content becomes available during that time, you will get access to it. But the words if and applicable in that sentence are doing a lot of work.

If I subscribe to Netflix and then one of their publisher contracts expires and a bunch of movies are removed from the catalog the day after I subbed, they are under no obligation to give me a refund or to have informed me ahead of time about their contract negotiations.

If I subscribe to Adobe Creative Cloud and they don't come out with any new features in the time I'm subscribed, and then launch a new standalone product not included in the suite, they are under no obligation to provide that new standalone product to me or to have told me what they are spending development resources on to develop it.