Why am I forced to start the game again to use the new Warden class?

KochDerDamonen · February 2017

Pangnirtung wrote: »

LOL at the OP.

Does EVERYTHING in the game have to be immediate?

Please can we have people realize that they actually need to earn or new things in game?

Entitlement. The bane of today.

EARN WHAT?

It's actually the most obscenely baffling thing to me that people think getting to level 50 on a new character is an accomplishment on any class, especially after the second, 8th, 10th...

CapnPhoton · February 2017

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

CapnPhoton wrote: »

I am not at all interested in grouping with someone at a high level that did not learn their class from the beginning. If they add a snowflake class...oops I mean class change option there would be too many players to avoid grouping with. I would end up never grouping again or leaving entirely.

This has been mentioned before a few times and I had always hoped it would never be a thing.

I've been in groups with CP500+ players who obviously leveled from Level 1 and still don't know how to play their class.

So your point is wholly invalid.

All The Best

If someone buys a class change, or otherwise reaches the end without any work, it seems to speak for itself. But that person who runs a character you mention that started at level one that can't play it very well: How do we really know they did start it? It could be borrowed, bought, or played by multiple people.

AlnilamE · February 2017

TequilaFire wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

I am of the opinion that completing Cadwell's gold on at least one character should unlock mount leveling, crafting, alliance rank, skyshards and all achievements on all characters once they reach level 50.

Hell no! What would I do with those characters once they reach level 50 then?

Play endgame PvE trials or dungeons or PvP, the whole reason for leveling in the first place.
Besides it is unlikely that you will have every achievement in the game even after completing gold.

You assume that "leveling" is the whole point of making a new character.

That may be the case for you and others, but for me, a good part of it is going through the story again, choosing different outcomes (or not), and finding all the skyshards and lorebooks.

NewBlacksmurf · February 2017

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

Pangnirtung wrote: »

LOL at the OP.

Does EVERYTHING in the game have to be immediate?

Please can we have people realize that they actually need to earn or new things in game?

Entitlement. The bane of today.

EARN WHAT?

It's actually the most obscenely baffling thing to me that people think getting to level 50 on a new character is an accomplishment on any class, especially after the second, 8th, 10th...

They are pointing out "earn what" means doing quests, achievements, etc on a per character basis shouldn't be given to any new character

dday3six · February 2017

I've seen some comments about FFXIV's job system, and how players can freely swap between jobs, but it is not as simple as it's made to sound. New jobs still need to be leveled up, which can be tedious if you've previously finished the main scenario and side quests as another job.

Something people often neglect to mention as well is the need to gear up those other jobs. With a few exceptions, gear isn't nearly as universal between jobs. Crafting is more complex and it's not as easy to produce max level gear. Also content such as dungeons are often item level locked. Meaning the player must be wearing gear that averages out to a minimum ilvl to access them. Then gear drops in those instances are done with a Need-Greed-Pass system that is connected to the players current role, and awarded based on highest number of a simulated RNG dice roll.

It's not a short or simple process to job swap in FFXIV for the first time.

Gandrhulf_Harbard · February 2017

CapnPhoton wrote: »

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

CapnPhoton wrote: »

I am not at all interested in grouping with someone at a high level that did not learn their class from the beginning. If they add a snowflake class...oops I mean class change option there would be too many players to avoid grouping with. I would end up never grouping again or leaving entirely.

This has been mentioned before a few times and I had always hoped it would never be a thing.

I've been in groups with CP500+ players who obviously leveled from Level 1 and still don't know how to play their class.

So your point is wholly invalid.

All The Best

If someone buys a class change, or otherwise reaches the end without any work, it seems to speak for itself. But that person who runs a character you mention that started at level one that can't play it very well: How do we really know they did start it? It could be borrowed, bought, or played by multiple people.

So I completely destroy your point, and you suddenly move the goalposts to shared accounts etc.

'Nuff said

All The Best

KochDerDamonen · February 2017

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

Pangnirtung wrote: »

LOL at the OP.

Does EVERYTHING in the game have to be immediate?

Please can we have people realize that they actually need to earn or new things in game?

Entitlement. The bane of today.

EARN WHAT?

It's actually the most obscenely baffling thing to me that people think getting to level 50 on a new character is an accomplishment on any class, especially after the second, 8th, 10th...

They are pointing out "earn what" means doing quests, achievements, etc on a per character basis shouldn't be given to any new character

That could make sense, if it were referring to a new character. Thread is not about some instant level up button, we just want to be able to make characters into a different class. Take away all my levels, skyshards, titles, idc what. Just want to keep my character and his crafting unlocks and such. I've done all these things on him already, don't expect them to be any harder on a Warden

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

@Gandrhulf_Harbard

Going all the way back....how does allowing you to change your class impact "me" or others?

The game shares experiences unless it's a solo only instance with everyone. If the developers were to enable anyone to change their class, it has a huge impact on everyone.

@NewBlacksmurf

No, it doesn't.

What impacts you is if there other players around or not.

Their race, faction and class is 100% irrelevant and has no impact you on whatsoever.

All The Best

If we had a class change, everyone would just change to the new FOTM every time a new patch hits.

...okay? People already do that now, but having 8/10 characters of any given class and resource focus. It would take anyone a short while to level a new character to 50 and it would be much cheaper than paying for a class change. If someone would really find it more worthwhile to pay $$$ to class change instead of doing a menial grind for nearly the same result(in fact, the grind option leaves you with a character to fall back in if the "fotm" changes), let them?

Gandrhulf_Harbard · February 2017

strikeback1247 wrote: »

If we had a class change, everyone would just change to the new FOTM every time a new patch hits.

I don't think everyone would.

Some would for sure.

But I still don't see how what I do or do not play has any impact on you or anyone else.

It's ZOS's job to balance the classes so there is a workable distribution, not ours.

All The Best

Oreyn_Bearclaw · February 2017

Long thread, didnt read it all, but I will say this: Account Wide Achievements would solve this. The worst thing about having a bunch of alts is that you will never get your achievement points very high, as you typically spread them around. I am not suggesting removing individual character achievements, because I know that is important to some people, but we need an additional account wide achievement tab. Things like title could still be character specific.

For example, just to get all RP on you. I have not touched thieves guild or Dark Brotherhood on my main (if I even have on of those anymore). He is a stand up kinda guy. I did both on one of my alts, because he is a bit of a shady dude. I wish there was some place I could go to see what content in the game I have left to complete as a player, not as a character.

AlMcFly · February 2017

Force force force force force. Why is the Force forcing me to force this forcing Force. For force's sake...

Number_51 · February 2017

TequilaFire wrote: »

For those who reply it takes no time to level to 50 that is not the issue.
It takes avery long time to unlock riding and crafting skill which is necessary to even craft furniture in housing.
Ever try to ride across Cyrodiil on a level 10 mount even though your character has reached lvl 50 CP160?
Achievements account wide are the real issue.

If that's the real issue then I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum. Look, I could care less if they offer a class change token. Do I think it's a good idea? No. Absolutely not. you'll end up with 70% of the population switching to whatever class got the least nerfing on the last balance patch. But account-wide achievements should never be a thing. My AD Hero who has never been to DC should not have the DC Hero title simply because I got that on a different character. My Argonian who never does a quest unless other Argonians are involved should not be a Kingmaker, Hero of Wrothgar. My passivist thief who has never even picked up a weapon or made a kill (and still managed to get to lvl 50) should not have the Daedric Lord Slayer title or a single kill listed in her achievements because one of my other characters kills everything he runs across.

This is an MMO. This is an RPG. I'm sorry that people feel they need to limit themselves to doing absolutely everything on a single character, but stop taking away my options for your convenience.

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Long thread, didnt read it all, but I will say this: Account Wide Achievements would solve this. The worst thing about having a bunch of alts is that you will never get your achievement points very high, as you typically spread them around. I am not suggesting removing individual character achievements, because I know that is important to some people, but we need an additional account wide achievement tab. Things like title could still be character specific.

For example, just to get all RP on you. I have not touched thieves guild or Dark Brotherhood on my main (if I even have on of those anymore). He is a stand up kinda guy. I did both on one of my alts, because he is a bit of a shady dude. I wish there was some place I could go to see what content in the game I have left to complete as a player, not as a character.

I've actually mentioned an account-wide achievement tab before, and I'm fine with that. In fact, I'd fully support it. I'm as curious as anyone as to how much of the game overall I've completed. But the achievements themselves should remain character based.

dday3six · February 2017

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Long thread, didnt read it all, but I will say this: Account Wide Achievements would solve this. The worst thing about having a bunch of alts is that you will never get your achievement points very high, as you typically spread them around. I am not suggesting removing individual character achievements, because I know that is important to some people, but we need an additional account wide achievement tab. Things like title could still be character specific.

I could more easily get behind making some elements accont wide, than I could get behind class change.

Personally I think unless class change had some kind of once, and only to Warden limitations it would just lead to incessant bitchin' about FOTM chasers and how ZOS let's them pay to win with class change tokens.

Therwind · February 2017

CarbonX wrote: »

Everyone is "Wow! Warden! New class! OMG! So cool! Warden! Wow!"... ... ...

I only use one character and I do everything with him in the game, from PvE, to PvP, to try go get all achievements in the game, etc.

So, new content is coming, I have to pay for it if I want it, but I'm forced to put my current character aside and play all the game again if I want to use the Warden? Why? (I know Morrowind has a lot of stuff to do, but this thread points to the use of the new class only).

Why I can't have an option to use the Warden with the character I have now (class change)?

Why am I forced to start the game from scratch and repeat all I have been doing for +2 years if I want to play with the Warden?

Or, am I also forced to create a Warden character, don't do any PvE (well, forcedly some to level it up) and use it for PvP only?

Why this game forces people to have more than one character and so do all things over again?

How I see things; ZOS doesn't think nor cares for players that play just one character.

Class change please, even if with crowns.

Wow. Just wow lmao.

NewBlacksmurf · February 2017

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

Pangnirtung wrote: »

LOL at the OP.

Does EVERYTHING in the game have to be immediate?

Please can we have people realize that they actually need to earn or new things in game?

Entitlement. The bane of today.

EARN WHAT?

It's actually the most obscenely baffling thing to me that people think getting to level 50 on a new character is an accomplishment on any class, especially after the second, 8th, 10th...

They are pointing out "earn what" means doing quests, achievements, etc on a per character basis shouldn't be given to any new character

That could make sense, if it were referring to a new character. Thread is not about some instant level up button, we just want to be able to make characters into a different class. Take away all my levels, skyshards, titles, idc what. Just want to keep my character and his crafting unlocks and such. I've done all these things on him already, don't expect them to be any harder on a Warden

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

@Gandrhulf_Harbard

Going all the way back....how does allowing you to change your class impact "me" or others?

The game shares experiences unless it's a solo only instance with everyone. If the developers were to enable anyone to change their class, it has a huge impact on everyone.

@NewBlacksmurf

No, it doesn't.

What impacts you is if there other players around or not.

Their race, faction and class is 100% irrelevant and has no impact you on whatsoever.

All The Best

If we had a class change, everyone would just change to the new FOTM every time a new patch hits.

...okay? People already do that now, but having 8/10 characters of any given class and resource focus. It would take anyone a short while to level a new character to 50 and it would be much cheaper than paying for a class change. If someone would really find it more worthwhile to pay $$$ to class change instead of doing a menial grind for nearly the same result(in fact, the grind option leaves you with a character to fall back in if the "fotm" changes), let them?

@KochDerDamonen

Specific to your reply on my comment.
Not to argue but it's perceived as an instant level up because you're treating your character like feet and the class like shoes.

You're actually saying my character is mine and I'm only interesting in changing my class skills.

We understand that but the foot and shoe are one and not independent from one another.

CapnPhoton · February 2017

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

CapnPhoton wrote: »

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

CapnPhoton wrote: »

I am not at all interested in grouping with someone at a high level that did not learn their class from the beginning. If they add a snowflake class...oops I mean class change option there would be too many players to avoid grouping with. I would end up never grouping again or leaving entirely.

This has been mentioned before a few times and I had always hoped it would never be a thing.

I've been in groups with CP500+ players who obviously leveled from Level 1 and still don't know how to play their class.

So your point is wholly invalid.

All The Best

If someone buys a class change, or otherwise reaches the end without any work, it seems to speak for itself. But that person who runs a character you mention that started at level one that can't play it very well: How do we really know they did start it? It could be borrowed, bought, or played by multiple people.

So I completely destroy your point, and you suddenly move the goalposts to shared accounts etc.

'Nuff said

All The Best

I share an account with my son. Our mains are the same class. I can't play his very well simply by the way he built it, but I am quite good with my own that I raised and built. What I am saying is that it is probable that there are those out there that aren't very good that didn't actually raise their character. You can't be sure unless you were to specifically ask them and get an honest answer. The one and only time I played Guild wars, I tried it out when my friend went to the store. It was a high level character and I royally sucked at it.

FortheloveofKrist · February 2017

Don't worry. Over the next few years, the world will teach you what it means to be "forced" to do something.

Strap in.

TequilaFire · February 2017

Truly wish people would stop saying because this is what other MMOs of the past do.
If that were the case we would still be playing with pencils and paper from prompts from a text bulletin board.

strikeback1247 · February 2017

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

strikeback1247 wrote: »

If we had a class change, everyone would just change to the new FOTM every time a new patch hits.

I don't think everyone would.

Some would for sure.

But I still don't see how what I do or do not play has any impact on you or anyone else.

It's ZOS's job to balance the classes so there is a workable distribution, not ours.

All The Best

I would not enjoy seeing many more FOTM players in PvP. I would also not enjoy getting stuck with players who just classchanged to the new FOTM, but have no knowledge about their class, have very little skills levelled, have a garbage rotation, but still try to do dungeons, trials, undaunted dailies etc. These problems are way less common right now since we have people like OP who can't be arsed to level a new character when something new comes out.

Also, we will never have perfect balance, there will always be some meta.

Remag_Div · February 2017

Y'all are kidding yourselves if you don't think ZOS will add a "class change to Warden" token in the Crown Store for like 6,000 Crowns when the expansion hits. lol

bowmanz607 · February 2017

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

OK ok then we'll if it is all irrelevant and has no effect, then why don't we all run hybrid, argonIan, nb through some trials.

That shouldn't have any impact on compete img the trial right?

This isn't about optimal builds, which is a separate issue entirely.

All The Best

Remag_Div wrote: »

Y'all are kidding yourselves if you don't think ZOS will add a "class change to Warden" token in the Crown Store for like 6,000 Crowns when the expansion hits. lol

Make more money by making you start from lvl 1. More money from mount upgrade, xp scrolls, etc.

Gandrhulf_Harbard · February 2017

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Make more money by making you start from lvl 1. More money from mount upgrade, xp scrolls, etc.

No they won't.

I'm smart enough to know that if I do that I let them win. So if I am forced to start totally from scratch I'll simply not spend any money at all, not even on those pay-to-win elements you claim to despise.

All The Best

FortheloveofKrist · February 2017

Remag_Div wrote: »

Y'all are kidding yourselves if you don't think ZOS will add a "class change to Warden" token in the Crown Store for like 6,000 Crowns when the expansion hits. lol

They won't. It's more profitable to get people to buy an additional character slot, or even wipe a current character to make a new one. It's actually a pretty brilliant business plan. Each new character drives new sales. The horse is too slow, people want new pets and mounts and costumes to fit the new character, bag upgrades, blah blah blah.

You can bet some suit at ZoS has the numbers on a spreadsheet; they know what they are doing.

NewBlacksmurf · February 2017

Remag_Div wrote: »

Y'all are kidding yourselves if you don't think ZOS will add a "class change to Warden" token in the Crown Store for like 6,000 Crowns when the expansion hits. lol

No we just aren't speculating or trying to force ideas.

Ppl have to expressed desires to class change since release. It's nothing new even asked if when they add the warden if they could do a class change.

dday3six · February 2017

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Make more money by making you start from lvl 1. More money from mount upgrade, xp scrolls, etc.

No they won't.

I'm smart enough to know that if I do that I let them win. So if I am forced to start totally from scratch I'll simply not spend any money at all, not even on those pay-to-win elements you claim to despise.

All The Best

Well while this is your personal stance, and even if others joined you, it's still missing the point.

Games with a revenue strategy like ESO make more money when they can get the playersbase to play more. It's not about one player or even a pocket of them. It's about the playerbase as a collective whole.

Abeille · February 2017

It would be nice if I didn't have to reroll. Then I would probably make my Orsimer lady instead of my Argonian my stamina Warden. I can't really reroll my Orsimer, she has all traits and most motifs unlocked. It's bad to reroll my Argonian too since she has a lot of special fish caught already, including all Cyrodiil fish, but rerolling my crafter is worse.

I'm all for class change, even if only to Warden. I don't mind paying for it, of course. My Cryomancer is going to be rerolled, though, I didn't get a lot of stuff done on her other than leveling to 50 and leveling the riding skill for six months, just normal Maelstrom and the last festival's achievements.

Chilly-McFreeze · February 2017

CarbonX wrote: »

Everyone is "Wow! Warden! New class! OMG! So cool! Warden! Wow!"... ... ...

I only use one character and I do everything with him in the game, from PvE, to PvP, to try go get all achievements in the game, etc.

So, new content is coming, I have to pay for it if I want it, but I'm forced to put my current character aside and play all the game again if I want to use the Warden? Why? (I know Morrowind has a lot of stuff to do, but this thread points to the use of the new class only).

Why I can't have an option to use the Warden with the character I have now (class change)?

Why am I forced to start the game from scratch and repeat all I have been doing for +2 years if I want to play with the Warden?

Or, am I also forced to create a Warden character, don't do any PvE (well, forcedly some to level it up) and use it for PvP only?

Why this game forces people to have more than one character and so do all things over again?

How I see things; ZOS doesn't think nor cares for players that play just one character.

Class change please, even if with crowns.

So you say you want to play as a Warden but on the other hand you don't want to play a Warden (in form of leveling etc.)?
The game forces you to nothing. You don't have to make a second character. But if you want to experience more than one class, that's the way to go. It's so simple, I don't know why some guys can't comprehend this.

I want a leveled toon but I don't want to level. #firstworldproblems

Vicentius · February 2017

You really don't even have to touch the class... seriously wtf is up with people

Thealteregoroman · February 2017

CarbonX wrote: »

Mwnci wrote: »

CarbonX wrote: »

LordGavus wrote: »

You have to do that with all alt classes. Why should warden be different?

Because when I selected the character I have now there was no Warden to select. Now there is, but I can't replace my current character with it.

When I bought my Renault Megane IV at the end of last year, there was no Megane IV RS. In 2018 there will be but I can't freely replace my car with it. :'(

You read my whole comment? I didn't say "freely", I even mentioned paying for it. Yes, same as you can pay to replace your car in your comment.

You and I know ESO WILL have a change class token................its just going to be SUPER expensive.........it's nice to talk about though so when it does happen its already out of their system.......like DLC NOW becoming chapters.........I just hope the class change tokens isn't like 10k crowns.....

TheValkyn · February 2017

I'm actually thrilled to reexperience the parts of the game I enjoyed at launch leveling up a new class.

Chilly-McFreeze · February 2017

Since they demand a lot of crowns for a simple cosmetical change you can be sure a class change token will be expensive. Laziness has it's price.