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Why am I forced to start the game again to use the new Warden class?
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Dragonnord✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭What? It is a new class. You are not forced to play it. You won't be handed it for free either. This is an MMORPG. We have progression. You either progress or you don't. You dont get to have the instant gratification for this one.
I'll get back to you wen ZOS implements class change and you will eat your words, all of them. You'll see.
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Lapin_Logic✭✭✭✭✭Everyone is "Wow! Warden! New class! OMG! So cool! Warden! Wow!"... ... ...
I only use one character and I do everything with him in the game, from PvE, to PvP, to try go get all achievements in the game, etc.
Why I can't have an option to use the Warden with the character I have now (class change)?
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But.... IF you only have 1 character, a DK, then you have not done everything on a sorc, templar, or nightblade, why the frustration of also not playing it with the warden, it wouldn't bother me as much appart from the fact as no one has played a warden and everyone and their mum complains about pet builds sucking yet everyone is hyped as maggie simpson on coffee icecream for the warden.
besides, you CAN just run all morrowind on your DK, get all achievos, then create a warden alt for a hot minute to see what the hype is1 -
sevomd69✭✭✭✭✭
✭This is weird thread. Anytime you want to play a new class, you start over at level 1. I'm not sure how the warden is any different?
It is just odd to me that anyone would be bothered by starting a warden at level 1.
This... right here...
And also why do you "need" to be a Warden?... you're gonna be kicked from vet trials anyway for not being a Mag Sorc.. Edited by sevomd69 on February 3, 2017 1:16AM1 -
LordGavus✭✭✭✭✭
✭So let’s says ZOS include a class change token when the new class is introduced. I think we can agree that you won’t get the token free and it will be fairly expensive 5k+ crowns range. I see a few scenarios playing out.
Number 1 – Warden is overpowered at first. The cries of P2W will flood the forums. There will be rioting in the streets and all will quit the game.
Number 2 – Warden is underpowered at first. Players were tricked into wasting crowns on a bad class. Now they have to pay to change back and re-train all the class skills. There will be rioting in the streets and all will quit the game.
Number 3 – All is good to start with, then the balance hammer comes out. Players spent crowns on what the class was. ZOS can’t just take the crowns then completely nerf/OP the warden. Now they have to pay to change back and re-train all the class skills/or P2W. There will be rioting in the streets and all will quit the game.
Number 4 – Every balance patch one class seems more powerful than the others. ZOS is making one class OP on purpose as a cash grab. This game is P2W. There will be rioting in the streets and all will quit the game.
Number 5 – You only get one class change per account. Players change over to the new class blindly and they don’t like. 100’s of hours of play time and achievements down the drain on a class people hate. There will be rioting in the streets and all will quit the game.
Yes I’m poking fun here but my point is there will always be something to complain about. There may be a class change token in the future and it won’t be the end of the world if there is. However, there currently isn’t nor has there been one in ESO.
The main point of the pro change crowd doesn’t seem to be the levelling to 50, after all its established that it’s pretty quick and easy to do so. It seems to mainly be based around achievements and world/guild skills. As a completionist I understand that getting all achievements on alts is a huge task, but that is why I had to let go and leave that to my main.
As for the guild skills, going by how my alts have progressed, by the time you have unlocked and levelled all the class skills the guild skills are pretty close to finished anyway. This will be the same whether you start fresh or class change.
My concern with having a class change is the inevitable P2W complaints that will come with it, but mostly the FOTM build hopping. Now class changes could be made very expensive or as a one off to combat this but that comes with its own problems.
There will be a happy middle ground here somewhere. What’s not going to help though is complaint threads and ‘I’m being forced to play’ whinging.3 -
CloneTrooper699✭✭✭The only thing I want with my new character is shared mount upgrades, that's a nightmare getting those up again.I'm a goat1 -
sevomd69✭✭✭✭✭
✭What? It is a new class. You are not forced to play it. You won't be handed it for free either. This is an MMORPG. We have progression. You either progress or you don't. You dont get to have the instant gratification for this one.
I'll get back to you wen ZOS implements class change and you will eat your words, all of them. You'll see.
The point is not whether ESO will implement class change in the future... its your attitude that a "free" class change is mandatory, because you want to play only one character and do not want to level another toon... I started with a Stamplar as my first toon, but who I got bored with him... I rolled another toon to be a DK and leveled him/her again... why would or should Warden be any different from any other class in this game?1 -
Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭What? It is a new class. You are not forced to play it. You won't be handed it for free either. This is an MMORPG. We have progression. You either progress or you don't. You dont get to have the instant gratification for this one.
I'll get back to you wen ZOS implements class change and you will eat your words, all of them. You'll see.
The point is not whether ESO will implement class change in the future... its your attitude that a "free" class change is mandatory, because you want to play only one character and do not want to level another toon... I started with a Stamplar as my first toon, but who I got bored with him... I rolled another toon to be a DK and leveled him/her again... why would or should Warden be any different from any other class in this game?
I'm sure a lot of people would be okay with paying for a class change token to change their character to the Warden. I know I would.
Now, about your question, Warden should be different from these other classes because Warden was not an option at release. Unlike the other classes. Many of us have characters that would have been created as Wardens if it was an option back then.
For many of us, it is not a matter of having "a" Warden. Is a matter of having that character specifically be a Warden without having to reroll after three years.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.2 -
Bouldercleave✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭So let’s says ZOS include a class change token when the new class is introduced. I think we can agree that you won’t get the token free and it will be fairly expensive 5k+ crowns range. I see a few scenarios playing out.
Number 1 – Warden is overpowered at first. The cries of P2W will flood the forums. There will be rioting in the streets and all will quit the game.
Number 2 – Warden is underpowered at first. Players were tricked into wasting crowns on a bad class. Now they have to pay to change back and re-train all the class skills. There will be rioting in the streets and all will quit the game.
Number 3 – All is good to start with, then the balance hammer comes out. Players spent crowns on what the class was. ZOS can’t just take the crowns then completely nerf/OP the warden. Now they have to pay to change back and re-train all the class skills/or P2W. There will be rioting in the streets and all will quit the game.
Number 4 – Every balance patch one class seems more powerful than the others. ZOS is making one class OP on purpose as a cash grab. This game is P2W. There will be rioting in the streets and all will quit the game.
Number 5 – You only get one class change per account. Players change over to the new class blindly and they don’t like. 100’s of hours of play time and achievements down the drain on a class people hate. There will be rioting in the streets and all will quit the game.
Yes I’m poking fun here but my point is there will always be something to complain about. There may be a class change token in the future and it won’t be the end of the world if there is. However, there currently isn’t nor has there been one in ESO.
The main point of the pro change crowd doesn’t seem to be the levelling to 50, after all its established that it’s pretty quick and easy to do so. It seems to mainly be based around achievements and world/guild skills. As a completionist I understand that getting all achievements on alts is a huge task, but that is why I had to let go and leave that to my main.
As for the guild skills, going by how my alts have progressed, by the time you have unlocked and levelled all the class skills the guild skills are pretty close to finished anyway. This will be the same whether you start fresh or class change.
My concern with having a class change is the inevitable P2W complaints that will come with it, but mostly the FOTM build hopping. Now class changes could be made very expensive or as a one off to combat this but that comes with its own problems.
There will be a happy middle ground here somewhere. What’s not going to help though is complaint threads and ‘I’m being forced to play’ whinging.
I think I see a pattern forming here...0 -
sevomd69✭✭✭✭✭
✭What? It is a new class. You are not forced to play it. You won't be handed it for free either. This is an MMORPG. We have progression. You either progress or you don't. You dont get to have the instant gratification for this one.
I'll get back to you wen ZOS implements class change and you will eat your words, all of them. You'll see.
The point is not whether ESO will implement class change in the future... its your attitude that a "free" class change is mandatory, because you want to play only one character and do not want to level another toon... I started with a Stamplar as my first toon, but who I got bored with him... I rolled another toon to be a DK and leveled him/her again... why would or should Warden be any different from any other class in this game?
I'm sure a lot of people would be okay with paying for a class change token to change their character to the Warden. I know I would.
Now, about your question, Warden should be different from these other classes because Warden was not an option at release. Unlike the other classes. Many of us have characters that would have been created as Wardens if it was an option back then.
For many of us, it is not a matter of having "a" Warden. Is a matter of having that character specifically be a Warden without having to reroll after three years.
So what you're saying is that since VMSA was not part of the original game and I didn't have the option for all those years to grind for it... I should be getting a freebie VMSA weapon because I don't want to do the grind now?2 -
willlienellson✭✭✭✭✭I currently play a templar. Why am I forced to start a new character to play sorc?
Why? WHY? WHYYYYYY???Edited by willlienellson on February 3, 2017 1:37AM2 -
ValeriaLencoliaSoul ShrivenAs much as I understand the idea that ZOS is not actually required to give us anything for free, at the same time. Not giving at least one free character slot with an expansion that includes a new class, when even EA the company that wants you to pay for hotbars, and being able to kneel down is willing to give one free slot with major expansions that don't even cost $ and don't have a new class makes not doing so look really bad.
Being worse than EA at providing something is pretty much hitting the bottom of awful customer relations.0 -
Dragonnord✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭willlienellson wrote: »I currently play a templar. Why am I forced to start a new character to play sorc?
Why? WHY? WHYYYYYY???
Exactly. Why? Why I can't just change the class? Same as I change attribute points, skill points, race, etc. 1 -
Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭What? It is a new class. You are not forced to play it. You won't be handed it for free either. This is an MMORPG. We have progression. You either progress or you don't. You dont get to have the instant gratification for this one.
I'll get back to you wen ZOS implements class change and you will eat your words, all of them. You'll see.
The point is not whether ESO will implement class change in the future... its your attitude that a "free" class change is mandatory, because you want to play only one character and do not want to level another toon... I started with a Stamplar as my first toon, but who I got bored with him... I rolled another toon to be a DK and leveled him/her again... why would or should Warden be any different from any other class in this game?
I'm sure a lot of people would be okay with paying for a class change token to change their character to the Warden. I know I would.
Now, about your question, Warden should be different from these other classes because Warden was not an option at release. Unlike the other classes. Many of us have characters that would have been created as Wardens if it was an option back then.
For many of us, it is not a matter of having "a" Warden. Is a matter of having that character specifically be a Warden without having to reroll after three years.
So what you're saying is that since VMSA was not part of the original game and I didn't have the option for all those years to grind for it... I should be getting a freebie VMSA weapon because I don't want to do the grind now?
No, that's not what I am saying. What you are claiming is actually called "straw man". It is when you twist someone else's argument to make it into something else, easier to refute.
Did you have to reroll to get vMA weapons on a certain character? Did you have to lose something that isn't available anymore to get them? Because to make my Orc a Warden like I want, I would have to delete her, and lose a Crown Store motif that can't be gotten anymore.
These are not really comparable. Not to mention that I said I would like to buy a change to Warden token, not a freebie.Edited by Abeille on February 3, 2017 1:47AMJust so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.3 -
sevomd69✭✭✭✭✭
✭What? It is a new class. You are not forced to play it. You won't be handed it for free either. This is an MMORPG. We have progression. You either progress or you don't. You dont get to have the instant gratification for this one.
I'll get back to you wen ZOS implements class change and you will eat your words, all of them. You'll see.
The point is not whether ESO will implement class change in the future... its your attitude that a "free" class change is mandatory, because you want to play only one character and do not want to level another toon... I started with a Stamplar as my first toon, but who I got bored with him... I rolled another toon to be a DK and leveled him/her again... why would or should Warden be any different from any other class in this game?
I'm sure a lot of people would be okay with paying for a class change token to change their character to the Warden. I know I would.
Now, about your question, Warden should be different from these other classes because Warden was not an option at release. Unlike the other classes. Many of us have characters that would have been created as Wardens if it was an option back then.
For many of us, it is not a matter of having "a" Warden. Is a matter of having that character specifically be a Warden without having to reroll after three years.
So what you're saying is that since VMSA was not part of the original game and I didn't have the option for all those years to grind for it... I should be getting a freebie VMSA weapon because I don't want to do the grind now?
No, that's not what I am saying. What you are claiming is actually called "straw man". It is when you twist someone else's argument to make it into something else, easier to refute.
Did you have to reroll to get vMA weapons on a certain character? Did you have to lose something that isn't available anymore to get them? Because to make my Orc a Warden like I want, I would have to delete her, and lose a Crown Store motif that can't be gotten anymore.
These are not really comparable. Not to mention that I said I would like to buy a change to Warden token, not a freebie.
Why do you have to delete her? Just get a new character slot and roll a warden...1 -
Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭What? It is a new class. You are not forced to play it. You won't be handed it for free either. This is an MMORPG. We have progression. You either progress or you don't. You dont get to have the instant gratification for this one.
I'll get back to you wen ZOS implements class change and you will eat your words, all of them. You'll see.
The point is not whether ESO will implement class change in the future... its your attitude that a "free" class change is mandatory, because you want to play only one character and do not want to level another toon... I started with a Stamplar as my first toon, but who I got bored with him... I rolled another toon to be a DK and leveled him/her again... why would or should Warden be any different from any other class in this game?
I'm sure a lot of people would be okay with paying for a class change token to change their character to the Warden. I know I would.
Now, about your question, Warden should be different from these other classes because Warden was not an option at release. Unlike the other classes. Many of us have characters that would have been created as Wardens if it was an option back then.
For many of us, it is not a matter of having "a" Warden. Is a matter of having that character specifically be a Warden without having to reroll after three years.
So what you're saying is that since VMSA was not part of the original game and I didn't have the option for all those years to grind for it... I should be getting a freebie VMSA weapon because I don't want to do the grind now?
No, that's not what I am saying. What you are claiming is actually called "straw man". It is when you twist someone else's argument to make it into something else, easier to refute.
Did you have to reroll to get vMA weapons on a certain character? Did you have to lose something that isn't available anymore to get them? Because to make my Orc a Warden like I want, I would have to delete her, and lose a Crown Store motif that can't be gotten anymore.
These are not really comparable. Not to mention that I said I would like to buy a change to Warden token, not a freebie.
Why do you have to delete her? Just get a new character slot and roll a warden...
You see, that's the issue. We play differently - very differently.
My characters are very important to me, as a roleplayer. Being Warden would fit Durza, my Orc, much better than being a Templar like she is right now, especially after I learnt about the bear. It's more like her, much, much more like her. That's why we can't agree. That's why buying more slots and making more characters won't solve the issue for me. I do not want "a" Warden, I want this character, who really fits the class, to be a Warden.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.3 -
sevomd69✭✭✭✭✭
✭What? It is a new class. You are not forced to play it. You won't be handed it for free either. This is an MMORPG. We have progression. You either progress or you don't. You dont get to have the instant gratification for this one.
I'll get back to you wen ZOS implements class change and you will eat your words, all of them. You'll see.
The point is not whether ESO will implement class change in the future... its your attitude that a "free" class change is mandatory, because you want to play only one character and do not want to level another toon... I started with a Stamplar as my first toon, but who I got bored with him... I rolled another toon to be a DK and leveled him/her again... why would or should Warden be any different from any other class in this game?
I'm sure a lot of people would be okay with paying for a class change token to change their character to the Warden. I know I would.
Now, about your question, Warden should be different from these other classes because Warden was not an option at release. Unlike the other classes. Many of us have characters that would have been created as Wardens if it was an option back then.
For many of us, it is not a matter of having "a" Warden. Is a matter of having that character specifically be a Warden without having to reroll after three years.
So what you're saying is that since VMSA was not part of the original game and I didn't have the option for all those years to grind for it... I should be getting a freebie VMSA weapon because I don't want to do the grind now?
No, that's not what I am saying. What you are claiming is actually called "straw man". It is when you twist someone else's argument to make it into something else, easier to refute.
Did you have to reroll to get vMA weapons on a certain character? Did you have to lose something that isn't available anymore to get them? Because to make my Orc a Warden like I want, I would have to delete her, and lose a Crown Store motif that can't be gotten anymore.
These are not really comparable. Not to mention that I said I would like to buy a change to Warden token, not a freebie.
Why do you have to delete her? Just get a new character slot and roll a warden...
You see, that's the issue. We play differently - very differently.
My characters are very important to me, as a roleplayer. Being Warden would fit Durza, my Orc, much better than being a Templar like she is right now, especially after I learnt about the bear. It's more like her, much, much more like her. That's why we can't agree. That's why buying more slots and making more characters won't solve the issue for me. I do not want "a" Warden, I want this character, who really fits the class, to be a Warden.
Wanting something and being entitled to something are different... and OP seems "slightly" entitled... Like I said in a previous post I don't care if class change tokens are implemented, but stating that he is "forced" to play a certain way is at best disingenuous...1 -
Dragonnord✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Cillion3117 wrote: »That's just the way it is. If you want something, you have to work for it.
Really? I Don't have to work to change my race, attribute points, skill points, etc. Useless comment yours.0 -
RavenSworn✭✭✭✭✭What? It is a new class. You are not forced to play it. You won't be handed it for free either. This is an MMORPG. We have progression. You either progress or you don't. You dont get to have the instant gratification for this one.
I'll get back to you wen ZOS implements class change and you will eat your words, all of them. You'll see.
The point is not whether ESO will implement class change in the future... its your attitude that a "free" class change is mandatory, because you want to play only one character and do not want to level another toon... I started with a Stamplar as my first toon, but who I got bored with him... I rolled another toon to be a DK and leveled him/her again... why would or should Warden be any different from any other class in this game?
I'm sure a lot of people would be okay with paying for a class change token to change their character to the Warden. I know I would.
Now, about your question, Warden should be different from these other classes because Warden was not an option at release. Unlike the other classes. Many of us have characters that would have been created as Wardens if it was an option back then.
For many of us, it is not a matter of having "a" Warden. Is a matter of having that character specifically be a Warden without having to reroll after three years.
So what you're saying is that since VMSA was not part of the original game and I didn't have the option for all those years to grind for it... I should be getting a freebie VMSA weapon because I don't want to do the grind now?
No, that's not what I am saying. What you are claiming is actually called "straw man". It is when you twist someone else's argument to make it into something else, easier to refute.
Did you have to reroll to get vMA weapons on a certain character? Did you have to lose something that isn't available anymore to get them? Because to make my Orc a Warden like I want, I would have to delete her, and lose a Crown Store motif that can't be gotten anymore.
These are not really comparable. Not to mention that I said I would like to buy a change to Warden token, not a freebie.
Why do you have to delete her? Just get a new character slot and roll a warden...
You see, that's the issue. We play differently - very differently.
My characters are very important to me, as a roleplayer. Being Warden would fit Durza, my Orc, much better than being a Templar like she is right now, especially after I learnt about the bear. It's more like her, much, much more like her. That's why we can't agree. That's why buying more slots and making more characters won't solve the issue for me. I do not want "a" Warden, I want this character, who really fits the class, to be a Warden.
But then that's a choice that you have made. Whether or not the option for Wardens were available, it was a choice that you have made for your character.
Take it this way then, create a new character sheet for a warden. It is a new class, with new frontiers to explore. So many other options than just "class change". But when you say it is a waste of time to level a new class, you are dismissing the hard work of other players that has alts with full cp.
And it's not even that hard to level up to 50. Achievements can take some time but that is the beauty of it. Nothing worthy comes with instant gratification. It comes with time and effort spent.Ingame: RavenSworn, Pc / NA.
Of Wolf and Raven
Solo / Casual guild for beginners and new players wanting to join the game. Pst me for invite!1 -
Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭What? It is a new class. You are not forced to play it. You won't be handed it for free either. This is an MMORPG. We have progression. You either progress or you don't. You dont get to have the instant gratification for this one.
I'll get back to you wen ZOS implements class change and you will eat your words, all of them. You'll see.
The point is not whether ESO will implement class change in the future... its your attitude that a "free" class change is mandatory, because you want to play only one character and do not want to level another toon... I started with a Stamplar as my first toon, but who I got bored with him... I rolled another toon to be a DK and leveled him/her again... why would or should Warden be any different from any other class in this game?
I'm sure a lot of people would be okay with paying for a class change token to change their character to the Warden. I know I would.
Now, about your question, Warden should be different from these other classes because Warden was not an option at release. Unlike the other classes. Many of us have characters that would have been created as Wardens if it was an option back then.
For many of us, it is not a matter of having "a" Warden. Is a matter of having that character specifically be a Warden without having to reroll after three years.
So what you're saying is that since VMSA was not part of the original game and I didn't have the option for all those years to grind for it... I should be getting a freebie VMSA weapon because I don't want to do the grind now?
No, that's not what I am saying. What you are claiming is actually called "straw man". It is when you twist someone else's argument to make it into something else, easier to refute.
Did you have to reroll to get vMA weapons on a certain character? Did you have to lose something that isn't available anymore to get them? Because to make my Orc a Warden like I want, I would have to delete her, and lose a Crown Store motif that can't be gotten anymore.
These are not really comparable. Not to mention that I said I would like to buy a change to Warden token, not a freebie.
Why do you have to delete her? Just get a new character slot and roll a warden...
You see, that's the issue. We play differently - very differently.
My characters are very important to me, as a roleplayer. Being Warden would fit Durza, my Orc, much better than being a Templar like she is right now, especially after I learnt about the bear. It's more like her, much, much more like her. That's why we can't agree. That's why buying more slots and making more characters won't solve the issue for me. I do not want "a" Warden, I want this character, who really fits the class, to be a Warden.
Wanting something and being entitled to something are different... and OP seems "slightly" entitled... Like I said in a previous post I don't care if class change tokens are implemented, but stating that he is "forced" to play a certain way is at best disingenuous...
I agree with you on this point. OP could have tried to make his case on a more friendly way.
As for me... I will reroll my Nord Cryomancer on release and lose my event achievements and title (and hope the event comes back next year), and keep asking for class change so I can make my Orc a Warden too. I am very patient; next week, it will be three years since I started asking for black hair for Altmer, heh.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.2 -
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✭Totally agree, but not locked behind Crown Store.
It's such a pain to level up a new character and several non-subscribers / liw-prpfile buyers did it so many times... Make it a 30 days repeatable quest, even if a goldsink if you must! Let's dive into the teachings of a the new class, understand its past to see the future to finally master it, actially changing.
We could eve be striped of all class abilities we have during this transition. Only weapons and nothing more.I am the very model of a scientist Salarian, I've studied species Turian, Asari, and Batarian.
I'm quite good at genetics (as a subset of biology) because I am an expert (which I know is a tautology).
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✭✭✭✭✭RavenSworn wrote: »What? It is a new class. You are not forced to play it. You won't be handed it for free either. This is an MMORPG. We have progression. You either progress or you don't. You dont get to have the instant gratification for this one.
I'll get back to you wen ZOS implements class change and you will eat your words, all of them. You'll see.
The point is not whether ESO will implement class change in the future... its your attitude that a "free" class change is mandatory, because you want to play only one character and do not want to level another toon... I started with a Stamplar as my first toon, but who I got bored with him... I rolled another toon to be a DK and leveled him/her again... why would or should Warden be any different from any other class in this game?
I'm sure a lot of people would be okay with paying for a class change token to change their character to the Warden. I know I would.
Now, about your question, Warden should be different from these other classes because Warden was not an option at release. Unlike the other classes. Many of us have characters that would have been created as Wardens if it was an option back then.
For many of us, it is not a matter of having "a" Warden. Is a matter of having that character specifically be a Warden without having to reroll after three years.
So what you're saying is that since VMSA was not part of the original game and I didn't have the option for all those years to grind for it... I should be getting a freebie VMSA weapon because I don't want to do the grind now?
No, that's not what I am saying. What you are claiming is actually called "straw man". It is when you twist someone else's argument to make it into something else, easier to refute.
Did you have to reroll to get vMA weapons on a certain character? Did you have to lose something that isn't available anymore to get them? Because to make my Orc a Warden like I want, I would have to delete her, and lose a Crown Store motif that can't be gotten anymore.
These are not really comparable. Not to mention that I said I would like to buy a change to Warden token, not a freebie.
Why do you have to delete her? Just get a new character slot and roll a warden...
You see, that's the issue. We play differently - very differently.
My characters are very important to me, as a roleplayer. Being Warden would fit Durza, my Orc, much better than being a Templar like she is right now, especially after I learnt about the bear. It's more like her, much, much more like her. That's why we can't agree. That's why buying more slots and making more characters won't solve the issue for me. I do not want "a" Warden, I want this character, who really fits the class, to be a Warden.
But then that's a choice that you have made. Whether or not the option for Wardens were available, it was a choice that you have made for your character.
Take it this way then, create a new character sheet for a warden. It is a new class, with new frontiers to explore. So many other options than just "class change". But when you say it is a waste of time to level a new class, you are dismissing the hard work of other players that has alts with full cp.
And it's not even that hard to level up to 50. Achievements can take some time but that is the beauty of it. Nothing worthy comes with instant gratification. It comes with time and effort spent.
I made that choice because Wardens were removed, otherwise I would have picked Warden, because it was what I wanted for her. My characters are made way before I actually make them in the game.
I didn't say it is a waste of time to level a new class, you are probably mistaking me for someone else - I have 10 characters at max level, 613 CP right now and eight of my characters were leveled to vet through questing before vet ranks were removed. I have no issue with leveling up, I have an issue with losing the Halloween exclusive Crown motif that isn't available anymore. In fact, I wouldn't mind if a class change token knocked me down all the way to level 1, with no skill line progression.
The options other than "class change" simply can't achieve the same result. It is currently impossible. The result I want, which is making my Orc a Warden who can craft things in the Grim Harlequin style is currently impossible to achieve without class change because the motif isn't available anymore. I know I'm being repetitive, but it is hard not to be when people make this kind of assumptions instead of reading what I'm saying. I hope I made myself clear this time.
If you want to keep insisting that I am just not wanting to put on the effort, go for it. But you are absolutely wrong.Edited by Abeille on February 3, 2017 2:45AMJust so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.3 -
DragonBound✭✭✭✭✭CosmicSoul wrote: »Everyone is "Wow! Warden! New class! OMG! So cool! Warden! Wow!"... ... ...
I only use one character and I do everything with him in the game, from PvE, to PvP, to try go get all achievements in the game, etc.
So, new content is coming, I have to pay for it if I want it, but I'm forced to put my current character aside and play all the game again if I want to use the Warden? Why? (I know Morrowind has a lot of stuff to do, but this thread points to the use of the new class only).
Why I can't have an option to use the Warden with the character I have now (class change)?
Why am I forced to start the game from scratch and repeat all I have been doing for +2 years if I want to play with the Warden?
Or, am I also forced to create a Warden character, don't do any PvE (well, forcedly some to level it up) and use it for PvP only?
Why this game forces people to have more than one character and so do all things over again?
How I see things; ZOS doesn't think nor cares for players that play just one character.
Class change please, even if with crowns.
Is this guy for real? I suppose you want someone to play the game for you as well? Good god if you do not want to play an rpg then do not play one, your playing an entire new class from start, getting new things is fun, its the concept of rpgs, you learn your class as you level.
Yes, I'm real. No, I don't want someone else to play for me. Yes, I want to play this RPG. No, I don't want to play again from start, because I already did it. I want my current character to be able to change his class.
You can reset your attribute points, right? You can reset your skills, right? You can change your race, right? However, you can't change your class. Ilogic! Same as your useless comment.
You can only reset your points to the level your at, your still progressing and unlocking new skills and learning your class, it literally sounds like you do not enjoy rpgs, most of all this is an mmorpg with the word massive in it. Mmorpgs are suppose to have tons of replay ability and longevity.
And your telling me you do not like questing? Your telling me you only leveled one character? Again I ask why do you even play a serious rpg like eso then? Eso about questing/storyline more so then combat.Edited by DragonBound on February 3, 2017 3:50AM4 -
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✭soooooo technically if you wanted to play with one of the other 3 characters you don't currently have you would have to start again.
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Dredlord✭✭✭✭✭MythicEmperor wrote: »You aren't "forced" to do anything. You don't have to make a warden char, let alone buy it. If you don't want to lvl a new char, which takes hardly any time, then don't.
Wow 107 agrees and counting, what this should tell the OP is "stop being a whiney little...."0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Thealteregoroman wrote: »
When I bought my Renault Megane IV at the end of last year, there was no Megane IV RS. In 2018 there will be but I can't freely replace my car with it. :'(
You read my whole comment? I didn't say "freely", I even mentioned paying for it. Yes, same as you can pay to replace your car in your comment.
You and I know ESO WILL have a change class token................its just going to be SUPER expensive.........it's nice to talk about though so when it does happen its already out of their system.......like DLC NOW becoming chapters.........I just hope the class change tokens isn't like 10k crowns.....
Why would they? For the demographic that ESO aims for it's a better marketing strategy to get several players to make several smaller purchases overtime, than it is to get a few players to make large ones once. Giving players something to do to play more feeds into that. Class changes do not because it lets players shortcut too much play time, and too many potential convenience transactions like mount and storage upgrades.
He is just strongly hoping. That is all. No one could KNOW it will happen in the future except Zos.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭MythicEmperor wrote: »You aren't "forced" to do anything. You don't have to make a warden char, let alone buy it. If you don't want to lvl a new char, which takes hardly any time, then don't.
Wow 107 agrees and counting, what this should tell the OP is "stop being a whiney little...."
It should tell us people only read the first few posts in a thread, and that there are a truck load of people who don't care to even attempt to understand other people's view.
"It doesn't affect me, so stop complaining. Your posts irritate my forum experience!"Alandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
Vivec: Worse, buddy. They're buying it.0 -
RavenSworn✭✭✭✭✭RavenSworn wrote: »What? It is a new class. You are not forced to play it. You won't be handed it for free either. This is an MMORPG. We have progression. You either progress or you don't. You dont get to have the instant gratification for this one.
I'll get back to you wen ZOS implements class change and you will eat your words, all of them. You'll see.
The point is not whether ESO will implement class change in the future... its your attitude that a "free" class change is mandatory, because you want to play only one character and do not want to level another toon... I started with a Stamplar as my first toon, but who I got bored with him... I rolled another toon to be a DK and leveled him/her again... why would or should Warden be any different from any other class in this game?
I'm sure a lot of people would be okay with paying for a class change token to change their character to the Warden. I know I would.
Now, about your question, Warden should be different from these other classes because Warden was not an option at release. Unlike the other classes. Many of us have characters that would have been created as Wardens if it was an option back then.
For many of us, it is not a matter of having "a" Warden. Is a matter of having that character specifically be a Warden without having to reroll after three years.
So what you're saying is that since VMSA was not part of the original game and I didn't have the option for all those years to grind for it... I should be getting a freebie VMSA weapon because I don't want to do the grind now?
No, that's not what I am saying. What you are claiming is actually called "straw man". It is when you twist someone else's argument to make it into something else, easier to refute.
Did you have to reroll to get vMA weapons on a certain character? Did you have to lose something that isn't available anymore to get them? Because to make my Orc a Warden like I want, I would have to delete her, and lose a Crown Store motif that can't be gotten anymore.
These are not really comparable. Not to mention that I said I would like to buy a change to Warden token, not a freebie.
Why do you have to delete her? Just get a new character slot and roll a warden...
You see, that's the issue. We play differently - very differently.
My characters are very important to me, as a roleplayer. Being Warden would fit Durza, my Orc, much better than being a Templar like she is right now, especially after I learnt about the bear. It's more like her, much, much more like her. That's why we can't agree. That's why buying more slots and making more characters won't solve the issue for me. I do not want "a" Warden, I want this character, who really fits the class, to be a Warden.
But then that's a choice that you have made. Whether or not the option for Wardens were available, it was a choice that you have made for your character.
Take it this way then, create a new character sheet for a warden. It is a new class, with new frontiers to explore. So many other options than just "class change". But when you say it is a waste of time to level a new class, you are dismissing the hard work of other players that has alts with full cp.
And it's not even that hard to level up to 50. Achievements can take some time but that is the beauty of it. Nothing worthy comes with instant gratification. It comes with time and effort spent.
I made that choice because Wardens were removed, otherwise I would have picked Warden, because it was what I wanted for her. My characters are made way before I actually make them in the game.
I didn't say it is a waste of time to level a new class, you are probably mistaking me for someone else - I have 10 characters at max level, 613 CP right now and eight of my characters were leveled to vet through questing before vet ranks were removed. I have no issue with leveling up, I have an issue with losing the Halloween exclusive Crown motif that isn't available anymore. In fact, I wouldn't mind if a class change token knocked me down all the way to level 1, with no skill line progression.
The options other than "class change" simply can't achieve the same result. It is currently impossible. The result I want, which is making my Orc a Warden who can craft things in the Grim Harlequin style is currently impossible to achieve without class change because the motif isn't available anymore. I know I'm being repetitive, but it is hard not to be when people make this kind of assumptions instead of reading what I'm saying. I hope I made myself clear this time.
If you want to keep insisting that I am just not wanting to put on the effort, go for it. But you are absolutely wrong.
See, that's the rub. I see it as opportunity cost. There will always be opportunity cost in every decision we make in the game. My apologies though, the first paragraph of my answer was for you, the rest was for the op.
It's this cost that a lot of players seem to have a problem with. We all made choices, hell I made mine when I decided to play eso instead of tsw. I understand the need to have a certain character with certain achievements eg the grim harlequin example you noted which, really, I do understand it. I only have one character that has all these achievements. But I don't undermine the effort needed for some of the players such as yourself that has done a lot of work.
But a certain limit has to be drawn, class change is one of them. It basically trivialises the choice of the player in the first place. Because with class change, then why do we even need classes in the first place? Why have barriers like that? We have to understand the game design behind it, the decision to maintain a framework of classes for the game.
It's hard to explain for me but it's like.. This really sets a precedent for a really casual approach for the game. "I don't have to worry about race, about skills, about cp, because I know I'm not being penalised for it." where hence shall the line be drawn? There has to be one, because meaningful choices are the pinnacle of a good game.Ingame: RavenSworn, Pc / NA.
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