ZOS cuddles elite players and ignores the rest

idk · January 2017

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

Completely unrelated. This was an exploit. This groupfinder stuff is not a bug, just a QOL improvement people want.

Uhhh the group finder stuffs is indeed a bug that needs attention and fixing.

Theirs another annoying bug where when the group finder finally puts you into a group of 4 that when you try to port over to the dungeon, it gives you an error "Jump failed, instance is full". Sometimes you can wait for a few secs until you're able to port on over. I had issues where I couldn't even port over even after 5 mins was up. I simply could not port to the dungeon due to this error. I more less was forced to remove myself from the group in which causes me to have the 15 min penalty.

I'm being penalized for a bug that ZOS refuses to fix even after waiting for so long for the group finder to finally put me in a group to wand up having to wait more time just to play a 4 man dungeon.

Again what does this bug have to do with gaining achievements that were not earned. You don't need to use the gf to do dungeons, you must kill rakkat to gain the title and skin. You are completely ignoring the fact that your statement is false. Not one thing is this game has been made because of top tier players.

You do not need the gf to run dungeons, ask in zone chat make friends or whatever you need to do. If I remember right it was the more casual players asking for the penalty so they wouldn't get left behind, and while I agree that it isn't the way it should be it is working as intended. Seriously if the 15 min wait is killing you that much swap toons and run another dungeon, when your don't the original 15 mins will be over.

Honestly if you would have just made a legitimate complaint about the gf I would have been on board, all the way. But blaming part of the player base for your lack of comprehension between an exploit and a bug, sorry cant agree with that. Blaming part of the player base for the shortcomings of a system that was put in place because of the outcry of the casual player base feeling left behind. Yes the gf penalty is stupid, but it was asked for. It wasn't thought out or not able to implement a better version, whatever the case may be. Just remeber everytime you point a finger at someone there a 3 pointed back at you.

I'm going to keep this short and simple.

ZOS created a tool within the game for players to use. That tool is broken and needs to be repaired or taken off until it is fixed again. ZOS is slow in responding to this issue that effects a lot of players. ZOS was quick in response to the exploit in vMoL allowing players to get the skin and title yet is slow in response to other things that truly do matters. Sure I can spam the zone until people start to get irritated at me for posting the same repeated text over and over again, and then start ignoring me, but The truth is ZOS gave me a tool to use for convenience reasons. To spare me the time of spamming zones and my guilds.

Also sometimes it's difficult to find players to do pledges with both in zone and in guilds. It's not that simple and often times you need to use the group finder to find players to do a particular dungeon with. Also you need to use the group finder to do a random normal/vet.

@raidentenshu_ESO

I'm going to keep this shorter and simpler.

You said it. Zos fixed an exploit fast, as they should. Personally should have been faster.

For the QoL GF issue you mention they should take it offline until fixed I suggest you stop using it until then so you do not have to deal with it.

Problem solved in the interim.

alexkdd99 · January 2017

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

I find it funny how ZOS is quick to respond to the tears of the elite players complaining that low levels were gaining access to the vMOL skin and achievements from an exploit yet ZOS hasn't respond to the tears of the rest of the players who keeps getting penalized for getting kicked from a dungeon group ... or having to spend an hour waiting for the group finder to find a group to do pledges with all of the sudden the leader disband the group.... 15 min penalty slapped on their face for doing nothing wrong but to play the waiting game of using a tool within the game to play the 4 man dungeon.

How come theirs no quick fix for this yet?

Are you friggin kidding me these eliet players hardly have any content the whole game has been watered down to Drool mouth mode. You have access to every damn set thats worth anything. by simply farming zones and easy four mans that were nerfed to nothing. and now your pissing because you cant have a skin that was intended as a reward for those players that put in the effort and time. this is the death of MMO's its done its over we are now just a land of Single player RPG's online. i am baffled at you can even think that an exploit should be left

You mistaken me friend I'm not pissed because I can't have the skin. I'm pissed that the developers were quick to fix this bug yet fails to react in a quick fashion to fix other bugs that effects other players within the game.

I'm pissed because ZOS hasn't fix the 15 min penalty in the group finder.

That's not a bug. That is a feature of the game.

The only bug related top the timer is the auto disband bug. But honestly every time they try to change the group finder they only mess it up.

raidentenshu_ESO · January 2017

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

Completely unrelated. This was an exploit. This groupfinder stuff is not a bug, just a QOL improvement people want.

Uhhh the group finder stuffs is indeed a bug that needs attention and fixing.

Theirs another annoying bug where when the group finder finally puts you into a group of 4 that when you try to port over to the dungeon, it gives you an error "Jump failed, instance is full". Sometimes you can wait for a few secs until you're able to port on over. I had issues where I couldn't even port over even after 5 mins was up. I simply could not port to the dungeon due to this error. I more less was forced to remove myself from the group in which causes me to have the 15 min penalty.

I'm being penalized for a bug that ZOS refuses to fix even after waiting for so long for the group finder to finally put me in a group to wand up having to wait more time just to play a 4 man dungeon.

Again what does this bug have to do with gaining achievements that were not earned. You don't need to use the gf to do dungeons, you must kill rakkat to gain the title and skin. You are completely ignoring the fact that your statement is false. Not one thing is this game has been made because of top tier players.

You do not need the gf to run dungeons, ask in zone chat make friends or whatever you need to do. If I remember right it was the more casual players asking for the penalty so they wouldn't get left behind, and while I agree that it isn't the way it should be it is working as intended. Seriously if the 15 min wait is killing you that much swap toons and run another dungeon, when your don't the original 15 mins will be over.

Honestly if you would have just made a legitimate complaint about the gf I would have been on board, all the way. But blaming part of the player base for your lack of comprehension between an exploit and a bug, sorry cant agree with that. Blaming part of the player base for the shortcomings of a system that was put in place because of the outcry of the casual player base feeling left behind. Yes the gf penalty is stupid, but it was asked for. It wasn't thought out or not able to implement a better version, whatever the case may be. Just remeber everytime you point a finger at someone there a 3 pointed back at you.

I'm going to keep this short and simple.

ZOS created a tool within the game for players to use. That tool is broken and needs to be repaired or taken off until it is fixed again. ZOS is slow in responding to this issue that effects a lot of players. ZOS was quick in response to the exploit in vMoL allowing players to get the skin and title yet is slow in response to other things that truly do matters. Sure I can spam the zone until people start to get irritated at me for posting the same repeated text over and over again, and then start ignoring me, but The truth is ZOS gave me a tool to use for convenience reasons. To spare me the time of spamming zones and my guilds.

Also sometimes it's difficult to find players to do pledges with both in zone and in guilds. It's not that simple and often times you need to use the group finder to find players to do a particular dungeon with. Also you need to use the group finder to do a random normal/vet.

@raidentenshu_ESO

I'm going to keep this shorter and simpler.

You said it. Zos fixed an exploit fast, as they should. Personally should have been faster.

For the QoL GF issue you mention they should take it offline until fixed I suggest you stop using it until then so you do not have to deal with it.

Problem solved in the interim.

I'm not arguing nor am I disagreeing with ZOS decision to hotfix the vMOL exploit.... I just find it funny how the elites complained about low level players wearing the vMOL skin and having the title yet fail to acknowledge the frustrations of other players when they waited for so long for the group finder to find them players to play with all of the sudden get the error "Leader has disbanded the group" and then forced to wait another 15 mins to queue in.

You suggest to stop using it.... WHY? Why shouldn't I use a tool that's already in the game and that is openly available for me to use? Stop making excuses and defending ZOS neglectful behaviors. ZOS gave us the group finder to use... and I attend to use it. ZOS is obligated to fix any issues that is in their game.

CubanRay · January 2017

Aahh the elites.
Yea a very interesting people,the same people that kick you out of a NORMAL dungeon because you don't have high CP or because you are not dual wielding/magic/staves or just because you are new.Yea I love those.

Balamoor · January 2017

I think if ZoS Cuddled the elites more they wouldn't be as snarky.....just saying.

MEBengalsFan2001 · January 2017

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

You are comparing apples and oranges. One was a blatant exploit the other is a system that you don't like.

This game has been nerfed, nerfed, and nerfed some more thanks to casual complaints. VMOL and VMA are literally the only difficult PVE content left in this game.

Anyone remember when the planar fight or HM bosses were actually, and what's the word, Hard?

Edit: this post is so far off that I actually think you might be trolling.

Actually the kick system can be exploited by guilds. This has happened in other games where the kicker has no penalty for kicking and they can exploit non-guild members. I have seen this often where all but one player is a non-guild player and that player is kicked and than the guild runs and beats the content without the full group.

How is this not exploiting the kick system?

There should be no penalty for waiting but kicking a player should have a penalty.

Izaki · January 2017

Are all your posts trolls or are you being serious?

idk · January 2017

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

Completely unrelated. This was an exploit. This groupfinder stuff is not a bug, just a QOL improvement people want.

Uhhh the group finder stuffs is indeed a bug that needs attention and fixing.

Theirs another annoying bug where when the group finder finally puts you into a group of 4 that when you try to port over to the dungeon, it gives you an error "Jump failed, instance is full". Sometimes you can wait for a few secs until you're able to port on over. I had issues where I couldn't even port over even after 5 mins was up. I simply could not port to the dungeon due to this error. I more less was forced to remove myself from the group in which causes me to have the 15 min penalty.

I'm being penalized for a bug that ZOS refuses to fix even after waiting for so long for the group finder to finally put me in a group to wand up having to wait more time just to play a 4 man dungeon.

Again what does this bug have to do with gaining achievements that were not earned. You don't need to use the gf to do dungeons, you must kill rakkat to gain the title and skin. You are completely ignoring the fact that your statement is false. Not one thing is this game has been made because of top tier players.

You do not need the gf to run dungeons, ask in zone chat make friends or whatever you need to do. If I remember right it was the more casual players asking for the penalty so they wouldn't get left behind, and while I agree that it isn't the way it should be it is working as intended. Seriously if the 15 min wait is killing you that much swap toons and run another dungeon, when your don't the original 15 mins will be over.

Honestly if you would have just made a legitimate complaint about the gf I would have been on board, all the way. But blaming part of the player base for your lack of comprehension between an exploit and a bug, sorry cant agree with that. Blaming part of the player base for the shortcomings of a system that was put in place because of the outcry of the casual player base feeling left behind. Yes the gf penalty is stupid, but it was asked for. It wasn't thought out or not able to implement a better version, whatever the case may be. Just remeber everytime you point a finger at someone there a 3 pointed back at you.

I'm going to keep this short and simple.

ZOS created a tool within the game for players to use. That tool is broken and needs to be repaired or taken off until it is fixed again. ZOS is slow in responding to this issue that effects a lot of players. ZOS was quick in response to the exploit in vMoL allowing players to get the skin and title yet is slow in response to other things that truly do matters. Sure I can spam the zone until people start to get irritated at me for posting the same repeated text over and over again, and then start ignoring me, but The truth is ZOS gave me a tool to use for convenience reasons. To spare me the time of spamming zones and my guilds.

Also sometimes it's difficult to find players to do pledges with both in zone and in guilds. It's not that simple and often times you need to use the group finder to find players to do a particular dungeon with. Also you need to use the group finder to do a random normal/vet.

@raidentenshu_ESO

I'm going to keep this shorter and simpler.

You said it. Zos fixed an exploit fast, as they should. Personally should have been faster.

For the QoL GF issue you mention they should take it offline until fixed I suggest you stop using it until then so you do not have to deal with it.

Problem solved in the interim.

I'm not arguing nor am I disagreeing with ZOS decision to hotfix the vMOL exploit.... I just find it funny how the elites complained about low level players wearing the vMOL skin and having the title yet fail to acknowledge the frustrations of other players when they waited for so long for the group finder to find them players to play with all of the sudden get the error "Leader has disbanded the group" and then forced to wait another 15 mins to queue in.

You suggest to stop using it.... WHY? Why shouldn't I use a tool that's already in the game and that is openly available for me to use? Stop making excuses and defending ZOS neglectful behaviors. ZOS gave us the group finder to use... and I attend to use it. ZOS is obligated to fix any issues that is in their game.

@raidentenshu_ESO

It's humorous how you try to make this about elites when it's not. Keep trying though.

Exploits should always get the highest attention.

QoL issues and bugs have a much lower priority unless they are game breaking. The GF issue you mention may be annoying as hell but it's not a game breaking bug.

Elites. Lol. I'm not elite. Far from it yet I'm glad they fixed the exploit and much less concerned about the GF item.

magnusthorek · January 2017

Z OS only answers to elite players, Youtubers or when any teeny tiny badword slips through our fingers. the vast majority of us, mere mortals, are solely ignored... unless when it's Natch Potes' day.

Danksta · January 2017

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Are you comparing an exploit with a system that is working as intended (by ZoS)?
Seriously?

You shouldn't be surprised. This is the same OP that brought us "Maelstrom weapons should drop from nMA" and other similarly ridiculous threads.

What's wrong with that idea? You may find it to be ridiculous, but I think otherwise.

You think otherwise because you think from a selfish prospective.

LadyNalcarya · January 2017

magnusthorek wrote: »

Z OS only answers to elite players, Youtubers or when any teeny tiny badword slips through our fingers. the vast majority of us, mere mortals, are solely ignored... unless when it's Natch Potes' day.

Actually group finder penalty was requested by players that werent happy that others werent willing to carry them and were leaving groups.

I rememer all this QQ that quitters must be punished. Well... Who knew that penalty will mostly affect newbies and casual players?

Jeremy · January 2017

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

This game has been nerfed, nerfed, and nerfed some more thanks to casual complaints. VMOL and VMA are literally the only difficult PVE content left in this game.

Yet the PvE elites constantly complain in here about being unable to complete PvE content with others who are less than optimal (low CP, unusual builds etc.) and resort to kicking them from the groups.

This seems like a contradiction to me.

rhapsodious · January 2017

Again, the Maw exploit had a relatively easy fix - add an invisible wall or tweak map bounds.

The Group Finder is probably a beast of a feature and the fix for the group insta-disbanding is probably not as simple as sticking something in an editor or adding a 3 line function. Otherwise, it would probably be fixed by now.

Jeremy wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

This game has been nerfed, nerfed, and nerfed some more thanks to casual complaints. VMOL and VMA are literally the only difficult PVE content left in this game.

Yet the PvE elites constantly complain in here about being unable to complete PvE content with others who are less than optimal (low CP, unusual builds etc.) and resort to kicking them from the groups.

This seems like a contradiction to me.

In my experience, most people who complain are not "elites", as you say, but instead players who expect everyone who uses the group finder to be on their level. Which is not what the group finder is for, and if you are looking for a group to blast through the pledge in 20 minutes you should be looking in guilds or zone chat and not the group finder.

That being said, I've been using the group finder since most of my friends got a bad case of having a life/lost interest, and so far only one group has had one of these "I expect a PUG to be perfect" people. Everyone else has been amicable or, at the very least, didn't say anything about the group's performance.

Most of the players considered "elite" acknowledge that most people are not on their level and are happy to just finish the dungeon in a reasonable amount of time. Assuming they're even using the group finder and not just running with their friends/guildies.

GeneralPardon · January 2017

CubanRay wrote: »

Aahh the elites.
Yea a very interesting people,the same people that kick you out of a NORMAL dungeon because you don't have high CP or because you are not dual wielding/magic/staves or just because you are new.Yea I love those.

Those are not the elites that kick you out of a dungeon. The true elites can and will carry you through a dungeon. The people that kick you are those that were carried by elites and can no longer do said content without their help. Don't blame the elite for carrying them through, they just want to help.
And to clarify I mean those guys that were defined as elites by OP.

Stopnaggin · January 2017

Jeremy wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

This game has been nerfed, nerfed, and nerfed some more thanks to casual complaints. VMOL and VMA are literally the only difficult PVE content left in this game.

Yet the PvE elites constantly complain in here about being unable to complete PvE content with others who are less than optimal (low CP, unusual builds etc.) and resort to kicking them from the groups.

This seems like a contradiction to me.

No it actually makes more sense. Since gameplay has become less challanging players, especially new players, do not have the needed skills to complete endgame content. This isn't a reflection of the newer players as it isn't really their fault. There are no proper tutorials for each class, no consequences for doing any content before you are ready. Pre 1t, as bad as it was, at least if you went into a zone above your level you got your butt kicked. This forced you to learn to play. Also with so many gear choices for new players it's a bit overwhelming. Most aren't going to sit and do the math on what works and what doesnt. Sorry but when it comes time to do HM content all these things matter, the HM content isn't as forgiving as main line quests.

Again most "elites" don't use gf, and when they do they know what to expect. Most have been very helpful in my past experiences. I try to help the lower cp guys all the time, but you need to use kid gloves when offering help. Fact is most of this generation gets upset and offended with the slightest bit of criticism. And then again there are some that are just asses, in which case you are better off getting kicked anyway. The only time I will vote kick anyone of any level is when they refuse to learn from their mistakes. If you continually run in head first spamming skills that aren't working or you refuse to get out of aoes and blame others for your stupidity then yep got a boot waiting for you.

LadyNalcarya · January 2017

@Jeremy wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

This game has been nerfed, nerfed, and nerfed some more thanks to casual complaints. VMOL and VMA are literally the only difficult PVE content left in this game.

Yet the PvE elites constantly complain in here about being unable to complete PvE content with others who are less than optimal (low CP, unusual builds etc.) and resort to kicking them from the groups.

This seems like a contradiction to me.

Pve "elites" rely on pugs apparently? Since when?

I think you might be confused... Your dreaded pug elitists are mostly just casual players. Yeah, not all casuals are nice and friendly, some of them want others to do the work for them, some are full of stereotypes, some just blindly follow Deltia (or who's the new pug idol these days).
Ofc kicking players that are not playing their roles is justified, but that's another story.

Horowonnoe · January 2017

Jeremy wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

This game has been nerfed, nerfed, and nerfed some more thanks to casual complaints. VMOL and VMA are literally the only difficult PVE content left in this game.

Yet the PvE elites constantly complain in here about being unable to complete PvE content with others who are less than optimal (low CP, unusual builds etc.) and resort to kicking them from the groups.

This seems like a contradiction to me.

Not sure those were actual "elites". No self respecting elite would kick a pug from a normal dungeon. Unless they are just jerks.

Unsent.Soul · January 2017

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

I'm not sure I understand...
Yes, some my have "cried" about it as you put it, but informing Zos and asking for a fix for something that is obviously a bug and exploit is something that should be applauded IMO....

But yet they refuse to acknowledge console issues that are described in detail, and have been present for months / years....

Akimbro · January 2017

Never received cuddles. Must not be elite...

:'(

disintegr8 · January 2017

Jeremy wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

This game has been nerfed, nerfed, and nerfed some more thanks to casual complaints. VMOL and VMA are literally the only difficult PVE content left in this game.

Yet the PvE elites constantly complain in here about being unable to complete PvE content with others who are less than optimal (low CP, unusual builds etc.) and resort to kicking them from the groups.

This seems like a contradiction to me.

I don't think that PVE elites complain about not being able to complete content with PUG's, usually they are complaining about not wanting to 'carry' lower level players through dungeons. The general consensus among the forum community is that it is they who need as much help as possible to complete the dungeon, not the other way round.

There are plenty of these high level 'elites' using group finder and kicking anyone who does not meet their minimum level/CP requirements, before even fighting an enemy. You and I are not going to change the attitudes or behaviour of these people, we have to wait until ZOS modify the game.

olsborg · January 2017

Maybe for pve, but for pvp, Rich has stated they wanted to dumb down pvp, adding proccsets and other ***. Mission accomplished, theres so many noob gankers getting kills because of *** sets like viper, velidreth and selene. /rant

bowmanz607 · January 2017

OP
I find it funny you think zos caters to casuals. Hahahahah a haha.....see funny.

Do we play the same game?
Did you just start playing?

This game definitely favors casuals.

Strider_Roshin · January 2017

Yes, because nerfing the adds in IC to their current pathetic state was because of "elites". I'm sure it had nothing to do with the whining of casuals.

alexkdd99 · January 2017

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

Well, it's not fair to say that ZOS catered to elitist tears! It's also not fair to say that because of casuals the game is now "mouth drool mode" (though it's kinda funny).

Firstly, of course ZOS jumped to patch this. Who knows how long it will be that VMOL is the only challenging content in the game left for the self proclaimed "elitists" (aka. People that have played 100x more then the average). They need this content to mean something, an MMO without challenging goals to reach or gear to collect is doomed.

Saying that, the un-sympathetic here should realize that "casuals" (aka. Players that have 100x less experience than others) want to participate in challenging content also. Right now the group finder is a deterrent to progress and is likely pushing many players outside the game and elsewhere. Just because you yourself haven't pugged in a year doesn't mean others aren't trying to complete content.

The group finder needs attention, desperately. It may be a case that ZOS feel they have spent enough time tryin to fix this system many times in the past and can't justify for themselves because people will always be twands and issues are inevitable, and maybe they are right.

All I know is that right now, the almost sole reason people get kicked is because players want an easy ride with little effort. The responsibility is on ZOS right now to help the casuals learn how to perform in group content or lose players. They need to up the CP requirement to queue for DLC dungeons. They need to be on a seperate plateau for the others in terms of random dungeon finder. And they need to implement tutorials to players on what is required of certain roles accessed at the undaunted enclave.

Basically we need cp requirements on different dungeon tiers. All normal dungeons aren't the same difficulty so they shouldn't all have the same requirements, same with vet dungeons.

And not all people that kick others are looking for a easy ride. They just want everyone to carry their own portion, and you can't blame them for that.

1 person shouldn't have to pick up others slack, but it seems to be expected that they do so.

Cpt_Teemo · January 2017

alexkdd99 wrote: »

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

Well, it's not fair to say that ZOS catered to elitist tears! It's also not fair to say that because of casuals the game is now "mouth drool mode" (though it's kinda funny).

Firstly, of course ZOS jumped to patch this. Who knows how long it will be that VMOL is the only challenging content in the game left for the self proclaimed "elitists" (aka. People that have played 100x more then the average). They need this content to mean something, an MMO without challenging goals to reach or gear to collect is doomed.

Saying that, the un-sympathetic here should realize that "casuals" (aka. Players that have 100x less experience than others) want to participate in challenging content also. Right now the group finder is a deterrent to progress and is likely pushing many players outside the game and elsewhere. Just because you yourself haven't pugged in a year doesn't mean others aren't trying to complete content.

The group finder needs attention, desperately. It may be a case that ZOS feel they have spent enough time tryin to fix this system many times in the past and can't justify for themselves because people will always be twands and issues are inevitable, and maybe they are right.

All I know is that right now, the almost sole reason people get kicked is because players want an easy ride with little effort. The responsibility is on ZOS right now to help the casuals learn how to perform in group content or lose players. They need to up the CP requirement to queue for DLC dungeons. They need to be on a seperate plateau for the others in terms of random dungeon finder. And they need to implement tutorials to players on what is required of certain roles accessed at the undaunted enclave.

Basically we need cp requirements on different dungeon tiers. All normal dungeons aren't the same difficulty so they shouldn't all have the same requirements, same with vet dungeons.

And not all people that kick others are looking for a easy ride. They just want everyone to carry their own portion, and you can't blame them for that.

1 person shouldn't have to pick up others slack, but it seems to be expected that they do so.

Yeah even though I do averagely decent, not great I'm about 352 Cp and could be doing as much dmg as a fresh Cp 160 right now but I try my best keeping up every aoe, dot, and skill I have on my bar. Some of those Vet dungeons are clearly alot harder than just Cp 10, Especially CoA 2, CoS, ICP, WGT, and others.

So I believe they should add Cp limits for the dungeon sets from the pledges cause there is an Easy, Medium, and Hard one every day. Easy = Cp 10-100, Medium 101-200, Hard 200+ but only for vet not normal. Also not saying that no ones capable of doing these at lower Cp, just its a bit difficult if your that low imo.

disintegr8 · January 2017

The option to kick is a good thing. I have initiated vote to kicks and clicked yes to others initiated votes - AFTER the person we are trying to kick has proven their incompetence, lack of team play, caused others to die, refused to communicate, etc., etc.

Am I an elitist? I don't think so, but the apparent recent influx of players who want nothing more that to speed level while not learn anything about how to play the game is sending me that way.

A level 50 player using single target light attacks against mobs in normal dungeons, who needs that?
Players grouping as healer or tank and turning into a werewolf in every fight, who needs that rubbish?
Players running ahead to the next mob before the last mob is all dead or running through a mob to skip them without telling everyone first, who needs that?
Players not in chat running around 'double bubbled' on the last boss of Banished Cells II because they don't know what has happened or where to get 'cleansed', who needs that?

Maybe I am becoming an elitist but I do not kick anyone until I have seen what they can do and how they play.

Yolokin_Swagonborn · January 2017

I don't think any of us get cuddles from ZOS.

Before the patch drops they are all nice and sweet, tell us they care and appear to listen to us.

Then they give our characters a long hard nerfing, and don't call the next morning or talk to us for 6 months.

VoRaVeLi · January 2017

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

You are comparing apples and oranges. One was a blatant exploit the other is a system that you don't like.

This game has been nerfed, nerfed, and nerfed some more thanks to casual complaints. VMOL and VMA are literally the only difficult PVE content left in this game.

Anyone remember when the planar fight or HM bosses were actually, and what's the word, Hard?

Edit: this post is so far off that I actually think you might be trolling.

I miss when the planar was brutal and just beating vWGT was an achievement.

Everything is so stupid easy mode now besides a select couple things.

I really wish they would make an extreme mode for 4 man dungeons.

Bring icp / wgt back to what they originally were before any nerfs. None of this sissy 3 phase crap on the 2nd boss of vicp. Back when 4x v16 couldn't beat vWGT or vICP at V1....

They buffed the hell out of players / Nerfed the hell out of dungeons... The fun part I found about this game was being not good enough to beat content and being forced to get better.

I guess other people decided to come here on the forums while all the good players were busy trying to get better and went and ruined everything? It's actually the only reason I even post here now because I feel like this forum is abused by those that are horrible at the game and instead of learning to get better they come here and make multiple threads and complain to the point that ZOS thinks hey maybe this is all true? Then the nerfs come and all of us that were having fun are pissed off now and just have to move on the only hard content that is left.

RebornV3x · January 2017

I don't know what ESO your playing but this game very casual friendly

Runs · February 2017

After a bit of digging, I have found proof to the titles claim.