ZOS cuddles elite players and ignores the rest

raidentenshu_ESO · January 2017

I find it funny how ZOS is quick to respond to the tears of the elite players complaining that low levels were gaining access to the vMOL skin and achievements from an exploit yet ZOS hasn't respond to the tears of the rest of the players who keeps getting penalized for getting kicked from a dungeon group ... or having to spend an hour waiting for the group finder to find a group to do pledges with all of the sudden the leader disband the group.... 15 min penalty slapped on their face for doing nothing wrong but to play the waiting game of using a tool within the game to play the 4 man dungeon.

How come theirs no quick fix for this yet?

milkbox · January 2017

I think you meant "coddles", but everyone could use a hug now and then.

Jimbullbee85 · January 2017

Yeah just get rid of the timer already!

Oreyn_Bearclaw · January 2017

You are comparing apples and oranges. One was a blatant exploit the other is a system that you don't like.

This game has been nerfed, nerfed, and nerfed some more thanks to casual complaints. VMOL and VMA are literally the only difficult PVE content left in this game.

Anyone remember when the planar fight or HM bosses were actually, and what's the word, Hard?

Edit: this post is so far off that I actually think you might be trolling.

wenchmore420b14_ESO · January 2017

milkbox wrote: »

I think you meant "coddles", but everyone could use a hug now and then.

I want a hug!!!!!!!!

Danksta · January 2017

This is laughably ridiculous. This game obviously caters to the "casual player" and all you have to do to see it is look at the lack of end game content available.

raidentenshu_ESO · January 2017

milkbox wrote: »

I think you meant "coddles", but everyone could use a hug now and then.

I meant to use the word "Cuddle"

Elite players cried their hearts out over the fact that low players were getting the MOL skin and title, and decided to give cuddle them, and was off to coddle them by finding a fix for it so that they can stop crying.

Foxic · January 2017

Just about all pve content in the game gets nerfed to be more accessible to less skilled players. But us elites get all of the love...

As bear said, one was a legitimate exploit that was ruining the last piece of hard content the game has. The other is an intended feature for whatever reason, that you don't like

Tempah · January 2017

I know that there needs to be a change to this.
But how do you compare waiting 15 minutes against spending days on a boss?
And if you don't want to wait on group finder make a tank or healer (dont be that guy that is a dps and signs up as a tank pls).
Just give them time to fix all the bugs etc. balance the game and more.

And the reason I think the vMoL got patched so quick is since there where around 4 threads that had well over 100+ comments so the devs couldn't have missed it either.
But hey I could be wrong.

raidentenshu_ESO · January 2017

Tempah wrote: »

I know that there needs to be a change to this.
But how do you compare waiting 15 minutes against spending days on a boss?
And if you don't want to wait on group finder make a tank or healer (dont be that guy that is a dps and signs up as a tank pls).
Just give them time to fix all the bugs etc. balance the game and more.

And the reason I think the vMoL got patched so quick is since there where around 4 threads that had well over 100+ comments so the devs couldn't have missed it either.
But hey I could be wrong.

Yet the developers don't seem to care about the 100+ threads made by players whos fed up with getting the 15 min penalty from the group finder.

Wifeaggro13 · January 2017

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

I find it funny how ZOS is quick to respond to the tears of the elite players complaining that low levels were gaining access to the vMOL skin and achievements from an exploit yet ZOS hasn't respond to the tears of the rest of the players who keeps getting penalized for getting kicked from a dungeon group ... or having to spend an hour waiting for the group finder to find a group to do pledges with all of the sudden the leader disband the group.... 15 min penalty slapped on their face for doing nothing wrong but to play the waiting game of using a tool within the game to play the 4 man dungeon.

How come theirs no quick fix for this yet?

Are you friggin kidding me these eliet players hardly have any content the whole game has been watered down to Drool mouth mode. You have access to every damn set thats worth anything. by simply farming zones and easy four mans that were nerfed to nothing. and now your pissing because you cant have a skin that was intended as a reward for those players that put in the effort and time. this is the death of MMO's its done its over we are now just a land of Single player RPG's online. i am baffled at you can even think that an exploit should be left

wenchmore420b14_ESO · January 2017

I'm not sure I understand...
Yes, some my have "cried" about it as you put it, but informing Zos and asking for a fix for something that is obviously a bug and exploit is something that should be applauded IMO....

Draxys · January 2017

What? Zenimax has done nothing but dumb the game down for years now, against the wishes of the so-called "elite".

raidentenshu_ESO · January 2017

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

I find it funny how ZOS is quick to respond to the tears of the elite players complaining that low levels were gaining access to the vMOL skin and achievements from an exploit yet ZOS hasn't respond to the tears of the rest of the players who keeps getting penalized for getting kicked from a dungeon group ... or having to spend an hour waiting for the group finder to find a group to do pledges with all of the sudden the leader disband the group.... 15 min penalty slapped on their face for doing nothing wrong but to play the waiting game of using a tool within the game to play the 4 man dungeon.

How come theirs no quick fix for this yet?

Are you friggin kidding me these eliet players hardly have any content the whole game has been watered down to Drool mouth mode. You have access to every damn set thats worth anything. by simply farming zones and easy four mans that were nerfed to nothing. and now your pissing because you cant have a skin that was intended as a reward for those players that put in the effort and time. this is the death of MMO's its done its over we are now just a land of Single player RPG's online. i am baffled at you can even think that an exploit should be left

You mistaken me friend

I'm not pissed because I can't have the skin. I'm pissed that the developers were quick to fix this bug yet fails to react in a quick fashion to fix other bugs that effects other players within the game.

I'm pissed because ZOS hasn't fix the 15 min penalty in the group finder.

Anhedonie · January 2017

Title is hilarious. Nice one, OP.

DigitalShibby · January 2017

Maybe it was addressed quickly because after looking into it they realized it could be fixed quickly. Maybe not everything they have to look into can be so easily fixed without other issues popping up... but that would be too logical for how your mind is apparently processing things so disregard.

SaRuZ · January 2017

Yeahhhh....

Decado · January 2017

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

I find it funny how ZOS is quick to respond to the tears of the elite players complaining that low levels were gaining access to the vMOL skin and achievements from an exploit yet ZOS hasn't respond to the tears of the rest of the players who keeps getting penalized for getting kicked from a dungeon group ... or having to spend an hour waiting for the group finder to find a group to do pledges with all of the sudden the leader disband the group.... 15 min penalty slapped on their face for doing nothing wrong but to play the waiting game of using a tool within the game to play the 4 man dungeon.

How come theirs no quick fix for this yet?

Gaining access? You mean EXPLOITING to get it? That's not the same thing atall no one complains about people earning the title/skin but exploiting is another thing and take a look at how much the content has been nerfed into the ground and how much the "elite" scene is shrinking, end game raiders are leaving and not many are replacing them

wenchmore420b14_ESO · January 2017

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

I find it funny how ZOS is quick to respond to the tears of the elite players complaining that low levels were gaining access to the vMOL skin and achievements from an exploit yet ZOS hasn't respond to the tears of the rest of the players who keeps getting penalized for getting kicked from a dungeon group ... or having to spend an hour waiting for the group finder to find a group to do pledges with all of the sudden the leader disband the group.... 15 min penalty slapped on their face for doing nothing wrong but to play the waiting game of using a tool within the game to play the 4 man dungeon.

How come theirs no quick fix for this yet?

Are you friggin kidding me these eliet players hardly have any content the whole game has been watered down to Drool mouth mode. You have access to every damn set thats worth anything. by simply farming zones and easy four mans that were nerfed to nothing. and now your pissing because you cant have a skin that was intended as a reward for those players that put in the effort and time. this is the death of MMO's its done its over we are now just a land of Single player RPG's online. i am baffled at you can even think that an exploit should be left

You mistaken me friend I'm not pissed because I can't have the skin. I'm pissed that the developers were quick to fix this bug yet fails to react in a quick fashion to fix other bugs that effects other players within the game.

I'm pissed because ZOS hasn't fix the 15 min penalty in the group finder.

Ahhhh.
I see the problem, but truth is, the MoL thing was a bug.
The 15 minute timer is "Working as Intended" and is not a bug needing fixing.
Don't be mad at me, I'm just the piano player.
The Group Finder didn't always have the timer and they added it after comlpaint's of getting re-queued with ppl you had just kicked, so this WAS a fix.
Does it suck, yes. But don't hope for a fix any time soon...

Falhael · January 2017

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

I find it funny how ZOS is quick to respond to the tears of the elite players complaining that low levels were gaining access to the vMOL skin and achievements from an exploit yet ZOS hasn't respond to the tears of the rest of the players who keeps getting penalized for getting kicked from a dungeon group ... or having to spend an hour waiting for the group finder to find a group to do pledges with all of the sudden the leader disband the group.... 15 min penalty slapped on their face for doing nothing wrong but to play the waiting game of using a tool within the game to play the 4 man dungeon.

How come theirs no quick fix for this yet?

Are you friggin kidding me these eliet players hardly have any content the whole game has been watered down to Drool mouth mode. You have access to every damn set thats worth anything. by simply farming zones and easy four mans that were nerfed to nothing. and now your pissing because you cant have a skin that was intended as a reward for those players that put in the effort and time. this is the death of MMO's its done its over we are now just a land of Single player RPG's online. i am baffled at you can even think that an exploit should be left

You mistaken me friend I'm not pissed because I can't have the skin. I'm pissed that the developers were quick to fix this bug yet fails to react in a quick fashion to fix other bugs that effects other players within the game.

I'm pissed because ZOS hasn't fix the 15 min penalty in the group finder.

One is a bug that needs fixing. The other is a game feature that works in the way it was intended. Whether those intentions were all good or bad is another story. Bugfixing=/=redesigning/improving the functionality of a game feature

dday3six · January 2017

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

I find it funny how ZOS is quick to respond to the tears of the elite players complaining that low levels were gaining access to the vMOL skin and achievements from an exploit yet ZOS hasn't respond to the tears of the rest of the players who keeps getting penalized for getting kicked from a dungeon group ... or having to spend an hour waiting for the group finder to find a group to do pledges with all of the sudden the leader disband the group.... 15 min penalty slapped on their face for doing nothing wrong but to play the waiting game of using a tool within the game to play the 4 man dungeon.

How come theirs no quick fix for this yet?

Are you friggin kidding me these eliet players hardly have any content the whole game has been watered down to Drool mouth mode. You have access to every damn set thats worth anything. by simply farming zones and easy four mans that were nerfed to nothing. and now your pissing because you cant have a skin that was intended as a reward for those players that put in the effort and time. this is the death of MMO's its done its over we are now just a land of Single player RPG's online. i am baffled at you can even think that an exploit should be left

You mistaken me friend I'm not pissed because I can't have the skin. I'm pissed that the developers were quick to fix this bug yet fails to react in a quick fashion to fix other bugs that effects other players within the game.

I'm pissed because ZOS hasn't fix the 15 min penalty in the group finder.

One glitch is not like the other. You cannot compare a glitch that could have been a simple and quick fix to others that require more time to track down, access, and utimately fix. The exploit with VMOL was an AI pathing issue. Those are often easy to fix, it was hotfixed in fact. That's a very simple change to lines of code, so small in fact that it doesn't even require enough data to be processed as a patch. A hotfix is often so minor a thing that comparatively it's like grammatical corrections to a paragraph in a several thousand page novel.

Comparing the reaction time of a simple task vs much more complicated ones is absurd and utterly asinine.

Eleusian · January 2017

Op is being honest. Most bugs seem to get pushed aside. Kinda interesting the Trial is almost a year old and anyone cares. Many MMO newer content would be the buzz.

Preyfar · January 2017

I wish I was cuddled by ZOS. Every time I reach out for Rich he goes "DUDE, WHO THE HELL ARE YOU? GET AWAY FROM ME!"

It gets cold at night.

bryanhaas · January 2017

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

I find it funny how ZOS is quick to respond to the tears of the elite players complaining that low levels were gaining access to the vMOL skin and achievements from an exploit yet ZOS hasn't respond to the tears of the rest of the players who keeps getting penalized for getting kicked from a dungeon group ... or having to spend an hour waiting for the group finder to find a group to do pledges with all of the sudden the leader disband the group.... 15 min penalty slapped on their face for doing nothing wrong but to play the waiting game of using a tool within the game to play the 4 man dungeon.

How come theirs no quick fix for this yet?

Are you friggin kidding me these eliet players hardly have any content the whole game has been watered down to Drool mouth mode. You have access to every damn set thats worth anything. by simply farming zones and easy four mans that were nerfed to nothing. and now your pissing because you cant have a skin that was intended as a reward for those players that put in the effort and time. this is the death of MMO's its done its over we are now just a land of Single player RPG's online. i am baffled at you can even think that an exploit should be left

You mistaken me friend I'm not pissed because I can't have the skin. I'm pissed that the developers were quick to fix this bug yet fails to react in a quick fashion to fix other bugs that effects other players within the game.

I'm pissed because ZOS hasn't fix the 15 min penalty in the group finder.

Oh the irony the delicious, delicious irony!
The 15 minute timer is there because high levels kept leaving groups and low levels complained so now you are complaining about the "fix" that the complaining complaints caused.

The only solution here is low levels need to not suck but that's not going to happen so timer or not you are still going to get kicked. We have all been there just level up and it will be less of a problem.

ZiRM · January 2017

It's kinda true but that's how games die. Need to bring new blood (and new player $$$) into the game.

Lol cuddles instead of coddles!

rhapsodious · January 2017

Preyfar wrote: »

I wish I was cuddled by ZOS. Every time I reach out for Rich he goes "DUDE, WHO THE HELL ARE YOU? GET AWAY FROM ME!"

It gets cold at night.

He's warm enough with his nice pair of shorts in the middle of January. I think Lawrence's beard might provide good insulation, however.

Also, Zeni can fix a map exploit. They can't fix people being jerks. Although the auto-disband bug (which by the way, that's what it is: a bug. Crown can't disband anyway, much less a millisecond after group formation) is annoying and should be fixed. Pretty sure you're just rustling jimmies, but don't equate the two.

Autolycus · January 2017

Noting the fact that gaining access to vMoL skin and achievements and getting kicked from dungeon finder are two completely unrelated topics, this argument is not very compelling with respect to getting attention or a call to action. What you are attempting to do here is throw a specific group of players under the bus because you don't feel you're getting the attention you deserve. The least you can do, as a mature and rational adult, is to keep your argument relevant. The players you're targeting are not in any way responsible for the larger issue you're addressing. They are in no way responsible for how and when ZOS addresses community feedback. Calling out those players because they "got their fix first" is just immature; it wasn't even their decision.

Furthermore, it was a real issue that needed to be addressed. If I were the one making the decisions, I would prioritize patching exploits before QoL improvements. Worst case scenario as a low-CP player, you find a guild to run with and problems are solved. At least in that case you aren't seeing naked level 10s being offered the prize of prizes. I'd rather get kicked from a dungeon than see someone be rewarded for doing nothing but logging in. But then again, when I had concerns about having a group to run with, I made friends instead of complaining about other players.

You should take into account that some bugs and issues are easier to resolve than others. It very well could be no more complicated than fixing the vMoL issue was simpler and easier, and thus got tended to sooner. Regardless of ZOS's actual reasoning behind the matter, it's very obvious that they are working to improve the dungeon finder system since there are improvements for it in the patch notes for Homestead. I realize it doesn't address your specific concern, but it is relevant, and it is most certainly progress, even if only a little.

Also I can't resist... lmao @ "cuddling." You see, everywhere I go the title of "elitist" is allegedly self-proclaimed. Well I tend to theorycraft and min/max, have optimal group composition and go ham on the tough content in this game. In terms of what the community considers to be elitist, I guess I fit the bill, and I guess saying so makes this a self-proclamation. And, I'd just like to say, that ZOS has never cuddled me, and I'm not happy about it.

Stopnaggin · January 2017

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

I find it funny how ZOS is quick to respond to the tears of the elite players complaining that low levels were gaining access to the vMOL skin and achievements from an exploit yet ZOS hasn't respond to the tears of the rest of the players who keeps getting penalized for getting kicked from a dungeon group ... or having to spend an hour waiting for the group finder to find a group to do pledges with all of the sudden the leader disband the group.... 15 min penalty slapped on their face for doing nothing wrong but to play the waiting game of using a tool within the game to play the 4 man dungeon.

How come theirs no quick fix for this yet?

How is any of that cuddling, wrong word choice, elite players. The 15 min penalty is rediculas, I'll give you that. But fixing an exploit is by no means coddling elite players. As a matter of fact if anything ESO coddles newer players, the content with a few exceptions is very easy. Not once have I seen any top "elite" players asking for the game to made easier, if anything they have been asking for harder content.

Sorry but 1+1 isn't equaling 2 in your OP. Most top players don't even use the gf, they are running for specifics, no death or speed runs. They will usually always have a team ready to run. Honestly you sound a little salty like you didn't get to use the exploit to get the skin.

Preyfar · January 2017

Not to mention some changes (adding an invisible wall) are probably quick and be done on-the-fly while editing the actual code to modify the way the queuing system works requires more work, and ZOS would probably wants to implement a conditional system to punish repeat offenders but not harm those one-offs. That takes a bit more coding and testing than slapping an invisible wall somewhere.

Stopnaggin · January 2017

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

I find it funny how ZOS is quick to respond to the tears of the elite players complaining that low levels were gaining access to the vMOL skin and achievements from an exploit yet ZOS hasn't respond to the tears of the rest of the players who keeps getting penalized for getting kicked from a dungeon group ... or having to spend an hour waiting for the group finder to find a group to do pledges with all of the sudden the leader disband the group.... 15 min penalty slapped on their face for doing nothing wrong but to play the waiting game of using a tool within the game to play the 4 man dungeon.

How come theirs no quick fix for this yet?

Are you friggin kidding me these eliet players hardly have any content the whole game has been watered down to Drool mouth mode. You have access to every damn set thats worth anything. by simply farming zones and easy four mans that were nerfed to nothing. and now your pissing because you cant have a skin that was intended as a reward for those players that put in the effort and time. this is the death of MMO's its done its over we are now just a land of Single player RPG's online. i am baffled at you can even think that an exploit should be left

No the sad thing is people actually hit the agree button. The whole mind set of this game is going down hill. Now I'm no elite but I know how to do the harder content and there isn't much left. Trials got *** on and so did vet dungeons. I had to chuckle at the op and those defending his statement though. He isn't even comparing apples to oranges it's more like apples to giraffes.

NeillMcAttack · January 2017

Well, it's not fair to say that ZOS catered to elitist tears! It's also not fair to say that because of casuals the game is now "mouth drool mode" (though it's kinda funny).

Firstly, of course ZOS jumped to patch this. Who knows how long it will be that VMOL is the only challenging content in the game left for the self proclaimed "elitists" (aka. People that have played 100x more then the average). They need this content to mean something, an MMO without challenging goals to reach or gear to collect is doomed.

Saying that, the un-sympathetic here should realize that "casuals" (aka. Players that have 100x less experience than others) want to participate in challenging content also. Right now the group finder is a deterrent to progress and is likely pushing many players outside the game and elsewhere. Just because you yourself haven't pugged in a year doesn't mean others aren't trying to complete content.

The group finder needs attention, desperately. It may be a case that ZOS feel they have spent enough time tryin to fix this system many times in the past and can't justify for themselves because people will always be twands and issues are inevitable, and maybe they are right.

All I know is that right now, the almost sole reason people get kicked is because players want an easy ride with little effort. The responsibility is on ZOS right now to help the casuals learn how to perform in group content or lose players. They need to up the CP requirement to queue for DLC dungeons. They need to be on a seperate plateau for the others in terms of random dungeon finder. And they need to implement tutorials to players on what is required of certain roles accessed at the undaunted enclave.