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ESO Plus (if you're upset, where was this when crafting bags was added)?????
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NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭OP, i read the patch notes you linked and under the heading "Craft Bags" it says " ESO Plus members will have access to Crafter bags"
Not sure what your trying to point out.
@Aquanova
If you readdown the crafting bag is listed as a base game update feature locked away by ESO plus
Initially Matt told everyone thatall base game updates would never require a subscription.-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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kargen27✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »"The base game patch also features"
Also would be in addition to. So you have the base game patch and in addition to that you get all the other stuff mentioned.
@kargen27
Just asking for clarification here.
If something such as the base game "also features" something that's referring to the "base game" and that an aspect of that includes or now has X
It seems you're saying that's not what it means?
It means when they did the update for the base game they included crafting bags for ESO+ members. They were a part of the also.
@kargen27
But that's not what's written and it's even clarified in the intro and later in the notes and placed under base game not under dlc or ESO plus sections.
What do you mean it is not what is written? You even quoted it.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."1 -
Runs✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Here are some posts of mine in April of 2016I think...
They should increase the normal bank space from 240 max to at least 400 max(by buying with in game gold and/OR crowns) so non subbing players can also keep up. Subbers would still have a huge advantage, but non subbers would still have at least some precious space.
How many items(that we would be expected to want/need to save) have been added to the game since the max space was increased to 240? That extra 297(number of different crafting items, unless I am missing some) plus if more than one of each stack on crafting items is just too huge a gap not to give other players some kind of bone.
I am a subscriber, by choice.... The idea of ZOS grabbing me by the *** and forcing me to pay makes me want to unsubscribe. It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.My sub comes up in May... I believe I will end up not renewing it because of this and also dependent on CP cap increase or not. No cap increase gives me no real reason to play, and the crafting bag I feel sh.it on over.
The crafting bag equates to at least 297 extra bag space, assuming only one stack of each mat. That's a huge *** difference.
I want to subscribe because I like the game, not because I am forced to.
I did however continue my sub another 6 months. The crown crates were my personal last straw when it came to subbing. I was not happy about them renting the craft bag. I still am not happy it's a rental item, but I do understand the amount of subs they are keeping because of it and how it would be foolish of them to let go of that grip.Runs| Orc Nightblade • Chim-el Adabal| Dunmer Templar • M'air the Honest| Khajiit Templar
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Gorgoneus✭✭✭
These hypocritical people will jusr buy morrowind and continue to bark on you in protection to every ZoS solution.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »So I'm taking a very aggressive tone with some of you in the forums.
Before anyone gets too upset, I want to remind people of my feedback threads and many comments around ZOS' decision to go against their original claim that all base game updates would not require a sub.
See crafting bags is a base game update but it requires ESO Plus to gain full access.
Fast forward through all the harsh and tough comments made to me which mostly suggested....shut up and sub
Now all the subscribers who kept telling ppl they need to sub and who have literally bashed those who don't sub, seem to have experienced the same happening.
Morrowind as we heard today won't be accessible via ESO Plus.
Do you all want to talk about crafting bags now and being mislead????
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NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »"The base game patch also features"
Also would be in addition to. So you have the base game patch and in addition to that you get all the other stuff mentioned.
@kargen27
Just asking for clarification here.
If something such as the base game "also features" something that's referring to the "base game" and that an aspect of that includes or now has X
It seems you're saying that's not what it means?
It means when they did the update for the base game they included crafting bags for ESO+ members. They were a part of the also.
@kargen27
But that's not what's written and it's even clarified in the intro and later in the notes and placed under base game not under dlc or ESO plus sections.
What do you mean it is not what is written? You even quoted it.
@kargen27
Below is a direct link to what Gina considers the New Features, updates and big changes specific to what she writes all are "Base Game Patch" so everything below is a base game patch.
Notice that, everything is base game which means you can access it without ESO Plus, except for one item.
Matt F's announcement says base game patch updates were said to always not require ESO Plus. Below that is contradicted.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »NEW FEATURES / UPDATES / BIG CHANGES
Base Game Patch
Veteran Rank Removal
<snip>
Poison-Making
<snip>
Grouping Tool Improvements
<snip>
Item Trait Improvements
<snip>
Improved Cyrodiil Vendors
<snip>
Updates to Sanctum Ophidia
Venture once again into the depths of Sanctum Ophidia!
<snip>
Craft Bags
ESO Plus members will now receive access to the Craft Bag.- Craft Bags are an additional inventory section which does not count against your inventory limit, is shared across all characters on the account, and can hold an effectively unlimited number of all basic crafting supplies.
- If your membership expires, you will still have access to the resources stored in your Craft Bag, but you will be unable to add any new materials to it.
- Loot that goes to your Craft Bag has a special call out in the Loot History.
- Crafting Materials from your inventory and account bank will automatically go to the Craft Bag upon login.
- Items can be manually retrieved from the Craft Bag in maximum stacks of 200. Retrieved items can also be manually stowed back into the Craft Bag.
Item Locking
<snip>
New Dye
<snip>
Additional Character Slots
<snip>
Nameplates
<snip>
Character and UserID Display
<snip>
Character Sheet on Gamepad Mode
<snip>
Enchanting Improvements
<snip>
Harvest Nodes
<snip>
Armor Improvements
<snip>
Combat Animation Prioritization
<snip>
Pickpocketing Improvements
<snip>-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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phairdon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Craft Bags for ESO Plus members, and more.
Says it really.Your immersion is breaking my entitlement. Buff Sorc's. Darkshroud the cremator Death by furRubeus BlackFluffy knight BladesThe Fat PantherPsijic Fungal SausageFlesheater the VileCaspian Rafferty FernsbyArchfiend Warlock PiersThe Black BishopEvil Wizard Lizard (EU)Neberra Vestige Fajeon (EU)Salanis Deathstick (EU)Blood Mage Alchemist (EU)0 -
Qyrk✭✭✭✭✭
✭So you're basically arguing that it wasn't in the right place? Even if it's in the wrong place, they at least said ESO Plus members will now receive access to the Craft Bag.3 -
DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭So I guess I'm going to need to spend some of those 18K+ crowns I have sitting on my account to buy Morrowind? Oh well. At least it's something to spend it on.
I'm assuming that it will be available in the crown store. If not, I guess I'll need to spend "actual" money as opposed to "virtual" money that I already spend "actual" money on to get.
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DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »@NewBlacksmurf : I see what you're trying to say but there's a big difference. A crafting bag isn't compulsory to play. I agree that it changes the game experience to a large extent, but not having it doesn't prevent anyone from playing the entire game, not from being a full blown crafter.
Whereas, if you don't have Vvardenfell (err... I mean, Morrowind Online) obviously you can't play that content.
That's a big difference - hence why the "expansion" trick is way shadier than the crafting bag incentive.
I'll remember all the good things we got for free (essentially, the festivals and seasonal events), all the hours of fun I have with this game (which makes it a pretty cheap hobby "per hour"), buy the "expansion" and sweep my salt under the rug. But it's still shady.
@anitajoneb17_ESO
I'm not saying anything about its use actually. That's as you say and is fine
What I'm saying for those who are expressing that they were mislead that ESO plus would always give them access to any future dlc is the same as the expectation during the same announcement that a sub wouldn't be required for any future base game updates.
Make sense?
Yes, and it made sense in your original post too. My answer is still valid, in the sense that, in my opinion, the crafting bag is not an "update", it's a "convenience feature", whereas Vvardenfell is an update. I see why you draw a parallel here but I don't think the comparison stands.
But I understand. I wasn't loud back then but I also was frustrated when the crafting bag appeared as the 1st "sub-exclusive" feature.
Now we have cash-exclusive features. And we still have crown-exclusive stuff (like crown store motifs). And crate exclusive stuff too !
So we have four different "payment" methods, each with overlapping stuff but also with exclusive stuff. To push us into buying in all 4 different systems.
That's... maximizing profit, I guess.
Not to mention, incredibly confusing. Sounds like an interesting accounting challenge though!0 -
Kodrac✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭You're being disingenuous at best. Since the beginning of MMOs, expansions have had to be paid for to access. This is no different. You just don't want to pay for it. To say you've been lied to or it's not about the money is just entitlement b.s. It's absolutely about the money. You want something for nothing.
And for the record, I'm a subscriber and I've been playing MMOs for over a decade. I expect this - it's standard practice for the genre. I didn't expect all the crying though. Holy shnikeys it's embarrassing.0 -
Buy it or leave it or just do what you were doing its just that simple .... im already happy i could play this game for free but i chose to sub because i want to0 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So you're basically arguing that it wasn't in the right place? Even if it's in the wrong place, they at least said ESO Plus members will now receive access to the Craft Bag.
@Qyrk
No it's not an argument that it was placed in the wrong spot because it was clarified
And yes it says ESO plus is required so they blocked a base game feature update with a sub which was said never to be the case.
Not sure if you all watched ESO live or follow their twitter. It was placed where they intended it to be placed.
On PTS it was also addressed that it's a base game feature because it works without a sub, however you can't add to it without a sub
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OOJIMMY✭✭✭LiquidSchwartz wrote: »No.. just no. If anyone is upset about paying for an EXPANSION then they can be upset, but nobody has justification for it. ESO Plus covers DLC not expansions to the whole game. This is a new chapter to the story not a small zone with a story and a skill line. This is what the prophet warned us of at the end of the Wrothgar questline.
The craft bag is a ESO plus perk it's listed as a perk, and idc what the notes say. We've been assured it's a perk for PAYING members. We don't get anything for being paying members on a free to play game. Many of us even own the DLC content so it only is to support the game and gain craft bag access.
If you can't afford ESO plus and you insist on complaining, examine your expenses and find somewhere you can afford 15 dollars because that is nothing for a working person even with bills that is 3 less coffees at Starbucks a month. And for the broke student, sucks to suck git gud.
You can have your cake and eat it if you pay for it (:
Really what has is irked is how they're going about it. It's still dlc, an expansion is still dlc. Just because it's on a disc doesn't prove anything.
ESO gold has all previous dlc on the disc, does that mean the old dlcs are now expansion?
Subs have fully supported the game and are reasonable with our complaints.
I've been a sub since it came out on Xbox.
Not just because of the perks, but I knew that more money should mean more content.
Subs should have covered things like the previous dlc like orcinium and IC.
As time went on look at what dlc turned into, each getting smaller than the previous.
Instead of getting actual content to show where all the money is going to, we get cosmetic stuff that doesn't really add any value to the game.
Then the cash crates came out, I wasn't opposed to the idea as I knew it would bring in more cash to make stuff.
All future dlc will be trash worth of content just like the destiny dlcs.0 -
johu31✭✭✭✭So they screwed up and put it in the base game patch notes, instead of the dlc patch notes... got it.2
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NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You're being disingenuous at best. Since the beginning of MMOs, expansions have had to be paid for to access. This is no different. You just don't want to pay for it. To say you've been lied to or it's not about the money is just entitlement b.s. It's absolutely about the money. You want something for nothing.
And for the record, I'm a subscriber and I've been playing MMOs for over a decade. I expect this - it's standard practice for the genre. I didn't expect all the crying though. Holy shnikeys it's embarrassing.
@Kodrac
First please don't apply assumptions to me especially those which as very far off base.
How about just watch ESO live since you've read the patch notes Check out this video ESO Live: All about Tamriel Unlimited https://www.twitch.tv/videos/3711373?t=1013s
And then please understand that I'm not complaining about subscribing or buying dlc or even cosmetic items. As I already shared with another person I am a subscriber and have been as best as ZOS allowed via Xbox one as well as buying crowns which for 2016 alone totals $335 not including taxes.
That also doesn't include what I paid in 2014-2015 when I played on both Xbox one and PC.
The point is this:
What originally was said isn't what's being followed and therefore after I first pointed this out, subscribers assumed I didn't subscribe and said I needed to just pay like everyone else. Now that subscribers are being told that chapters won't be included in ESO Plus, some subscribers are upset.
All together it's a community and customer issue for everyone because a lot that was said in that announcement isn't being followed.
Things change and that's fine but I think when a company flat out lies or misleads customers, it should be brought up-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You're being disingenuous at best. Since the beginning of MMOs, expansions have had to be paid for to access. This is no different. You just don't want to pay for it. To say you've been lied to or it's not about the money is just entitlement b.s. It's absolutely about the money. You want something for nothing.
And for the record, I'm a subscriber and I've been playing MMOs for over a decade. I expect this - it's standard practice for the genre. I didn't expect all the crying though. Holy shnikeys it's embarrassing.
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NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You're being disingenuous at best. Since the beginning of MMOs, expansions have had to be paid for to access. This is no different. You just don't want to pay for it. To say you've been lied to or it's not about the money is just entitlement b.s. It's absolutely about the money. You want something for nothing.
And for the record, I'm a subscriber and I've been playing MMOs for over a decade. I expect this - it's standard practice for the genre. I didn't expect all the crying though. Holy shnikeys it's embarrassing.
My feelings exactly.
@Tandor
Please scroll up above ur post-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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kargen27✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »"The base game patch also features"
Also would be in addition to. So you have the base game patch and in addition to that you get all the other stuff mentioned.
@kargen27
Just asking for clarification here.
If something such as the base game "also features" something that's referring to the "base game" and that an aspect of that includes or now has X
It seems you're saying that's not what it means?
It means when they did the update for the base game they included crafting bags for ESO+ members. They were a part of the also.
@kargen27
But that's not what's written and it's even clarified in the intro and later in the notes and placed under base game not under dlc or ESO plus sections.
What do you mean it is not what is written? You even quoted it.
@kargen27
Below is a direct link to what Gina considers the New Features, updates and big changes specific to what she writes all are "Base Game Patch" so everything below is a base game patch.
Notice that, everything is base game which means you can access it without ESO Plus, except for one item.
Matt F's announcement says base game patch updates were said to always not require ESO Plus. Below that is contradicted.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »NEW FEATURES / UPDATES / BIG CHANGES
Base Game Patch
Veteran Rank Removal
<snip>
Poison-Making
<snip>
Grouping Tool Improvements
<snip>
Item Trait Improvements
<snip>
Improved Cyrodiil Vendors
<snip>
Updates to Sanctum Ophidia
Venture once again into the depths of Sanctum Ophidia!
<snip>
Craft Bags
ESO Plus members will now receive access to the Craft Bag.- Craft Bags are an additional inventory section which does not count against your inventory limit, is shared across all characters on the account, and can hold an effectively unlimited number of all basic crafting supplies.
- If your membership expires, you will still have access to the resources stored in your Craft Bag, but you will be unable to add any new materials to it.
- Loot that goes to your Craft Bag has a special call out in the Loot History.
- Crafting Materials from your inventory and account bank will automatically go to the Craft Bag upon login.
- Items can be manually retrieved from the Craft Bag in maximum stacks of 200. Retrieved items can also be manually stowed back into the Craft Bag.
Item Locking
<snip>
New Dye
<snip>
Additional Character Slots
<snip>
Nameplates
<snip>
Character and UserID Display
<snip>
Character Sheet on Gamepad Mode
<snip>
Enchanting Improvements
<snip>
Harvest Nodes
<snip>
Armor Improvements
<snip>
Combat Animation Prioritization
<snip>
Pickpocketing Improvements
<snip>
Yes, just as I have been telling you and you quoted it again. Crafting bags for ESO+ members was included in the base game patch. Nobody is arguing whether or not it was included with the base game patch. It obviously was. Base game simply means you do not need to purchase DLC to have access. ESO+ members with no DLC have crafting bags. Makes sense that it be added to the game along with a base patch. You do not have to buy any additional content to get crafting bags. All you need to do is subscribe. If you were forced to purchase Wrothgar DLC to get the crafting bags you would have a point. Being a subscriber I am hoping they will come out with more ESO+ exclusive benefits.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."0 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »"The base game patch also features"
Also would be in addition to. So you have the base game patch and in addition to that you get all the other stuff mentioned.
@kargen27
Just asking for clarification here.
If something such as the base game "also features" something that's referring to the "base game" and that an aspect of that includes or now has X
It seems you're saying that's not what it means?
It means when they did the update for the base game they included crafting bags for ESO+ members. They were a part of the also.
@kargen27
But that's not what's written and it's even clarified in the intro and later in the notes and placed under base game not under dlc or ESO plus sections.
What do you mean it is not what is written? You even quoted it.
@kargen27
Below is a direct link to what Gina considers the New Features, updates and big changes specific to what she writes all are "Base Game Patch" so everything below is a base game patch.
Notice that, everything is base game which means you can access it without ESO Plus, except for one item.
Matt F's announcement says base game patch updates were said to always not require ESO Plus. Below that is contradicted.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »NEW FEATURES / UPDATES / BIG CHANGES
Base Game Patch
Veteran Rank Removal
<snip>
Poison-Making
<snip>
Grouping Tool Improvements
<snip>
Item Trait Improvements
<snip>
Improved Cyrodiil Vendors
<snip>
Updates to Sanctum Ophidia
Venture once again into the depths of Sanctum Ophidia!
<snip>
Craft Bags
ESO Plus members will now receive access to the Craft Bag.- Craft Bags are an additional inventory section which does not count against your inventory limit, is shared across all characters on the account, and can hold an effectively unlimited number of all basic crafting supplies.
- If your membership expires, you will still have access to the resources stored in your Craft Bag, but you will be unable to add any new materials to it.
- Loot that goes to your Craft Bag has a special call out in the Loot History.
- Crafting Materials from your inventory and account bank will automatically go to the Craft Bag upon login.
- Items can be manually retrieved from the Craft Bag in maximum stacks of 200. Retrieved items can also be manually stowed back into the Craft Bag.
Item Locking
<snip>
New Dye
<snip>
Additional Character Slots
<snip>
Nameplates
<snip>
Character and UserID Display
<snip>
Character Sheet on Gamepad Mode
<snip>
Enchanting Improvements
<snip>
Harvest Nodes
<snip>
Armor Improvements
<snip>
Combat Animation Prioritization
<snip>
Pickpocketing Improvements
<snip>
Yes, just as I have been telling you and you quoted it again. Crafting bags for ESO+ members was included in the base game patch. Nobody is arguing whether or not it was included with the base game patch. It obviously was. Base game simply means you do not need to purchase DLC to have access. ESO+ members with no DLC have crafting bags. Makes sense that it be added to the game along with a base patch. You do not have to buy any additional content to get crafting bags. All you need to do is subscribe. If you were forced to purchase Wrothgar DLC to get the crafting bags you would have a point. Being a subscriber I am hoping they will come out with more ESO+ exclusive benefits.
@kargen27
Actually people are arguing that
You're missing the context completely
Did you listen to the ESO live starting at approx 17:00 ?
The context said there and what was written under One Tamriel and ESO plus until they changed it....was that "all base game updates would not require a subscription".
Technically they never said I wouldn't have to buy it with dlc. That actually isn't an issue-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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kargen27✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'm not missing anything. You are ignoring what you are quoting. Craft bags for ESO+ also included. It is what was written and said in the final announcements and it is what was put in place. Simple as that.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."0 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'm not missing anything. You are ignoring what you are quoting. Craft bags for ESO+ also included. It is what was written and said in the final announcements and it is what was put in place. Simple as that.
@kargen27
You're focused on one thing and not the topic. Seemingly you're trying to win an argument or something but it's not a contest.
All of that and the ESO live is context
The issue is what was said not to occur is occurring and with the Morrowind announcement it occurred againEdited by NewBlacksmurf on February 2, 2017 12:18AM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Qyrk✭✭✭✭✭
✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »"The base game patch also features"
Also would be in addition to. So you have the base game patch and in addition to that you get all the other stuff mentioned.
@kargen27
Just asking for clarification here.
If something such as the base game "also features" something that's referring to the "base game" and that an aspect of that includes or now has X
It seems you're saying that's not what it means?
It means when they did the update for the base game they included crafting bags for ESO+ members. They were a part of the also.
@kargen27
But that's not what's written and it's even clarified in the intro and later in the notes and placed under base game not under dlc or ESO plus sections.
What do you mean it is not what is written? You even quoted it.
@kargen27
Below is a direct link to what Gina considers the New Features, updates and big changes specific to what she writes all are "Base Game Patch" so everything below is a base game patch.
Notice that, everything is base game which means you can access it without ESO Plus, except for one item.
Matt F's announcement says base game patch updates were said to always not require ESO Plus. Below that is contradicted.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »NEW FEATURES / UPDATES / BIG CHANGES
Base Game Patch
Veteran Rank Removal
<snip>
Poison-Making
<snip>
Grouping Tool Improvements
<snip>
Item Trait Improvements
<snip>
Improved Cyrodiil Vendors
<snip>
Updates to Sanctum Ophidia
Venture once again into the depths of Sanctum Ophidia!
<snip>
Craft Bags
ESO Plus members will now receive access to the Craft Bag.- Craft Bags are an additional inventory section which does not count against your inventory limit, is shared across all characters on the account, and can hold an effectively unlimited number of all basic crafting supplies.
- If your membership expires, you will still have access to the resources stored in your Craft Bag, but you will be unable to add any new materials to it.
- Loot that goes to your Craft Bag has a special call out in the Loot History.
- Crafting Materials from your inventory and account bank will automatically go to the Craft Bag upon login.
- Items can be manually retrieved from the Craft Bag in maximum stacks of 200. Retrieved items can also be manually stowed back into the Craft Bag.
Item Locking
<snip>
New Dye
<snip>
Additional Character Slots
<snip>
Nameplates
<snip>
Character and UserID Display
<snip>
Character Sheet on Gamepad Mode
<snip>
Enchanting Improvements
<snip>
Harvest Nodes
<snip>
Armor Improvements
<snip>
Combat Animation Prioritization
<snip>
Pickpocketing Improvements
<snip>
Yes, just as I have been telling you and you quoted it again. Crafting bags for ESO+ members was included in the base game patch. Nobody is arguing whether or not it was included with the base game patch. It obviously was. Base game simply means you do not need to purchase DLC to have access. ESO+ members with no DLC have crafting bags. Makes sense that it be added to the game along with a base patch. You do not have to buy any additional content to get crafting bags. All you need to do is subscribe. If you were forced to purchase Wrothgar DLC to get the crafting bags you would have a point. Being a subscriber I am hoping they will come out with more ESO+ exclusive benefits.
@kargen27
Actually people are arguing that
You're missing the context completely
Did you listen to the ESO live starting at approx 17:00 ?
The context said there and what was written under One Tamriel and ESO plus until they changed it....was that "all base game updates would not require a subscription".
Technically they never said I wouldn't have to buy it with dlc. That actually isn't an issue
I'm trying to see where you are coming from, but I still can't. I like to be partial about these things. So basically they said "All base game updates would not require a subscription", then we look back at past patch notes and see that Crafting Bags are 'considered' to be part of the base game updates and written under Base Game.....therefore, it should be a base game feature. Is this interpretation, correct?0 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »"The base game patch also features"
Also would be in addition to. So you have the base game patch and in addition to that you get all the other stuff mentioned.
@kargen27
Just asking for clarification here.
If something such as the base game "also features" something that's referring to the "base game" and that an aspect of that includes or now has X
It seems you're saying that's not what it means?
It means when they did the update for the base game they included crafting bags for ESO+ members. They were a part of the also.
@kargen27
But that's not what's written and it's even clarified in the intro and later in the notes and placed under base game not under dlc or ESO plus sections.
What do you mean it is not what is written? You even quoted it.
@kargen27
Below is a direct link to what Gina considers the New Features, updates and big changes specific to what she writes all are "Base Game Patch" so everything below is a base game patch.
Notice that, everything is base game which means you can access it without ESO Plus, except for one item.
Matt F's announcement says base game patch updates were said to always not require ESO Plus. Below that is contradicted.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »NEW FEATURES / UPDATES / BIG CHANGES
Base Game Patch
Veteran Rank Removal
<snip>
Poison-Making
<snip>
Grouping Tool Improvements
<snip>
Item Trait Improvements
<snip>
Improved Cyrodiil Vendors
<snip>
Updates to Sanctum Ophidia
Venture once again into the depths of Sanctum Ophidia!
<snip>
Craft Bags
ESO Plus members will now receive access to the Craft Bag.- Craft Bags are an additional inventory section which does not count against your inventory limit, is shared across all characters on the account, and can hold an effectively unlimited number of all basic crafting supplies.
- If your membership expires, you will still have access to the resources stored in your Craft Bag, but you will be unable to add any new materials to it.
- Loot that goes to your Craft Bag has a special call out in the Loot History.
- Crafting Materials from your inventory and account bank will automatically go to the Craft Bag upon login.
- Items can be manually retrieved from the Craft Bag in maximum stacks of 200. Retrieved items can also be manually stowed back into the Craft Bag.
Item Locking
<snip>
New Dye
<snip>
Additional Character Slots
<snip>
Nameplates
<snip>
Character and UserID Display
<snip>
Character Sheet on Gamepad Mode
<snip>
Enchanting Improvements
<snip>
Harvest Nodes
<snip>
Armor Improvements
<snip>
Combat Animation Prioritization
<snip>
Pickpocketing Improvements
<snip>
Yes, just as I have been telling you and you quoted it again. Crafting bags for ESO+ members was included in the base game patch. Nobody is arguing whether or not it was included with the base game patch. It obviously was. Base game simply means you do not need to purchase DLC to have access. ESO+ members with no DLC have crafting bags. Makes sense that it be added to the game along with a base patch. You do not have to buy any additional content to get crafting bags. All you need to do is subscribe. If you were forced to purchase Wrothgar DLC to get the crafting bags you would have a point. Being a subscriber I am hoping they will come out with more ESO+ exclusive benefits.
@kargen27
Actually people are arguing that
You're missing the context completely
Did you listen to the ESO live starting at approx 17:00 ?
The context said there and what was written under One Tamriel and ESO plus until they changed it....was that "all base game updates would not require a subscription".
Technically they never said I wouldn't have to buy it with dlc. That actually isn't an issue
I'm trying to see where you are coming from, but I still can't. I like to be partial about these things. So basically they said "All base game updates would not require a subscription", then we look back at past patch notes and see that Crafting Bags are 'considered' to be part of the base game updates and written under Base Game.....therefore, it should be a base game feature. Is this interpretation, correct?
@Qyrk
Yes but it is still a base game feature. The ESO plus gates adding items into it tho with a required subscription which they said they wouldn't do.
And Matt F even goes on to say he hates hating content for players behind paywalls ....and yet BAM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Xundiin✭✭✭✭LiquidSchwartz wrote: »No.. just no. If anyone is upset about paying for an EXPANSION then they can be upset, but nobody has justification for it. ESO Plus covers DLC not expansions to the whole game. This is a new chapter to the story not a small zone with a story and a skill line. This is what the prophet warned us of at the end of the Wrothgar questline.
The craft bag is a ESO plus perk it's listed as a perk, and idc what the notes say. We've been assured it's a perk for PAYING members. We don't get anything for being paying members on a free to play game. Many of us even own the DLC content so it only is to support the game and gain craft bag access.
If you can't afford ESO plus and you insist on complaining, examine your expenses and find somewhere you can afford 15 dollars because that is nothing for a working person even with bills that is 3 less coffees at Starbucks a month. And for the broke student, sucks to suck git gud.
You can have your cake and eat it if you pay for it (:
Really what has is irked is how they're going about it. It's still dlc, an expansion is still dlc. Just because it's on a disc doesn't prove anything.
ESO gold has all previous dlc on the disc, does that mean the old dlcs are now expansion?
Subs have fully supported the game and are reasonable with our complaints.
I've been a sub since it came out on Xbox.
Not just because of the perks, but I knew that more money should mean more content.
Subs should have covered things like the previous dlc like orcinium and IC.
As time went on look at what dlc turned into, each getting smaller than the previous.
Instead of getting actual content to show where all the money is going to, we get cosmetic stuff that doesn't really add any value to the game.
Then the cash crates came out, I wasn't opposed to the idea as I knew it would bring in more cash to make stuff.
All future dlc will be trash worth of content just like the destiny dlcs.
Actually it does change it... DLC stands for Downloadable Content. This is normally associated with content that is only available through digital means.... Morrowind is being called an expansion because it will be available on both Digital and Physical means. In other words... a DLC can be an expansion, but an expansion isn't necessarily a DLC.Edited by Xundiin on February 2, 2017 12:44AM#SavePlayer12 -
Qyrk✭✭✭✭✭
✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »"The base game patch also features"
Also would be in addition to. So you have the base game patch and in addition to that you get all the other stuff mentioned.
@kargen27
Just asking for clarification here.
If something such as the base game "also features" something that's referring to the "base game" and that an aspect of that includes or now has X
It seems you're saying that's not what it means?
It means when they did the update for the base game they included crafting bags for ESO+ members. They were a part of the also.
@kargen27
But that's not what's written and it's even clarified in the intro and later in the notes and placed under base game not under dlc or ESO plus sections.
What do you mean it is not what is written? You even quoted it.
@kargen27
Below is a direct link to what Gina considers the New Features, updates and big changes specific to what she writes all are "Base Game Patch" so everything below is a base game patch.
Notice that, everything is base game which means you can access it without ESO Plus, except for one item.
Matt F's announcement says base game patch updates were said to always not require ESO Plus. Below that is contradicted.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »NEW FEATURES / UPDATES / BIG CHANGES
Base Game Patch
Veteran Rank Removal
<snip>
Poison-Making
<snip>
Grouping Tool Improvements
<snip>
Item Trait Improvements
<snip>
Improved Cyrodiil Vendors
<snip>
Updates to Sanctum Ophidia
Venture once again into the depths of Sanctum Ophidia!
<snip>
Craft Bags
ESO Plus members will now receive access to the Craft Bag.- Craft Bags are an additional inventory section which does not count against your inventory limit, is shared across all characters on the account, and can hold an effectively unlimited number of all basic crafting supplies.
- If your membership expires, you will still have access to the resources stored in your Craft Bag, but you will be unable to add any new materials to it.
- Loot that goes to your Craft Bag has a special call out in the Loot History.
- Crafting Materials from your inventory and account bank will automatically go to the Craft Bag upon login.
- Items can be manually retrieved from the Craft Bag in maximum stacks of 200. Retrieved items can also be manually stowed back into the Craft Bag.
Item Locking
<snip>
New Dye
<snip>
Additional Character Slots
<snip>
Nameplates
<snip>
Character and UserID Display
<snip>
Character Sheet on Gamepad Mode
<snip>
Enchanting Improvements
<snip>
Harvest Nodes
<snip>
Armor Improvements
<snip>
Combat Animation Prioritization
<snip>
Pickpocketing Improvements
<snip>
Yes, just as I have been telling you and you quoted it again. Crafting bags for ESO+ members was included in the base game patch. Nobody is arguing whether or not it was included with the base game patch. It obviously was. Base game simply means you do not need to purchase DLC to have access. ESO+ members with no DLC have crafting bags. Makes sense that it be added to the game along with a base patch. You do not have to buy any additional content to get crafting bags. All you need to do is subscribe. If you were forced to purchase Wrothgar DLC to get the crafting bags you would have a point. Being a subscriber I am hoping they will come out with more ESO+ exclusive benefits.
@kargen27
Actually people are arguing that
You're missing the context completely
Did you listen to the ESO live starting at approx 17:00 ?
The context said there and what was written under One Tamriel and ESO plus until they changed it....was that "all base game updates would not require a subscription".
Technically they never said I wouldn't have to buy it with dlc. That actually isn't an issue
I'm trying to see where you are coming from, but I still can't. I like to be partial about these things. So basically they said "All base game updates would not require a subscription", then we look back at past patch notes and see that Crafting Bags are 'considered' to be part of the base game updates and written under Base Game.....therefore, it should be a base game feature. Is this interpretation, correct?
@Qyrk
Yes but it is still a base game feature. The ESO plus gates adding items into it tho with a required subscription which they said they wouldn't do.
And Matt F even goes on to say he hates hating content for players behind paywalls ....and yet BAM
Yes, so if a hypothetical scenario is that they said the same ""All base game updates would not require a subscription", then the patch notes places Crafting Bags in the DLC section, will we have this confusion?0 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »"The base game patch also features"
Also would be in addition to. So you have the base game patch and in addition to that you get all the other stuff mentioned.
@kargen27
Just asking for clarification here.
If something such as the base game "also features" something that's referring to the "base game" and that an aspect of that includes or now has X
It seems you're saying that's not what it means?
It means when they did the update for the base game they included crafting bags for ESO+ members. They were a part of the also.
@kargen27
But that's not what's written and it's even clarified in the intro and later in the notes and placed under base game not under dlc or ESO plus sections.
What do you mean it is not what is written? You even quoted it.
@kargen27
Below is a direct link to what Gina considers the New Features, updates and big changes specific to what she writes all are "Base Game Patch" so everything below is a base game patch.
Notice that, everything is base game which means you can access it without ESO Plus, except for one item.
Matt F's announcement says base game patch updates were said to always not require ESO Plus. Below that is contradicted.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »NEW FEATURES / UPDATES / BIG CHANGES
Base Game Patch
Veteran Rank Removal
<snip>
Poison-Making
<snip>
Grouping Tool Improvements
<snip>
Item Trait Improvements
<snip>
Improved Cyrodiil Vendors
<snip>
Updates to Sanctum Ophidia
Venture once again into the depths of Sanctum Ophidia!
<snip>
Craft Bags
ESO Plus members will now receive access to the Craft Bag.- Craft Bags are an additional inventory section which does not count against your inventory limit, is shared across all characters on the account, and can hold an effectively unlimited number of all basic crafting supplies.
- If your membership expires, you will still have access to the resources stored in your Craft Bag, but you will be unable to add any new materials to it.
- Loot that goes to your Craft Bag has a special call out in the Loot History.
- Crafting Materials from your inventory and account bank will automatically go to the Craft Bag upon login.
- Items can be manually retrieved from the Craft Bag in maximum stacks of 200. Retrieved items can also be manually stowed back into the Craft Bag.
Item Locking
<snip>
New Dye
<snip>
Additional Character Slots
<snip>
Nameplates
<snip>
Character and UserID Display
<snip>
Character Sheet on Gamepad Mode
<snip>
Enchanting Improvements
<snip>
Harvest Nodes
<snip>
Armor Improvements
<snip>
Combat Animation Prioritization
<snip>
Pickpocketing Improvements
<snip>
Yes, just as I have been telling you and you quoted it again. Crafting bags for ESO+ members was included in the base game patch. Nobody is arguing whether or not it was included with the base game patch. It obviously was. Base game simply means you do not need to purchase DLC to have access. ESO+ members with no DLC have crafting bags. Makes sense that it be added to the game along with a base patch. You do not have to buy any additional content to get crafting bags. All you need to do is subscribe. If you were forced to purchase Wrothgar DLC to get the crafting bags you would have a point. Being a subscriber I am hoping they will come out with more ESO+ exclusive benefits.
@kargen27
Actually people are arguing that
You're missing the context completely
Did you listen to the ESO live starting at approx 17:00 ?
The context said there and what was written under One Tamriel and ESO plus until they changed it....was that "all base game updates would not require a subscription".
Technically they never said I wouldn't have to buy it with dlc. That actually isn't an issue
I'm trying to see where you are coming from, but I still can't. I like to be partial about these things. So basically they said "All base game updates would not require a subscription", then we look back at past patch notes and see that Crafting Bags are 'considered' to be part of the base game updates and written under Base Game.....therefore, it should be a base game feature. Is this interpretation, correct?
@Qyrk
Yes but it is still a base game feature. The ESO plus gates adding items into it tho with a required subscription which they said they wouldn't do.
And Matt F even goes on to say he hates hating content for players behind paywalls ....and yet BAM
Yes, so if a hypothetical scenario is that they said the same ""All base game updates would not require a subscription", then the patch notes places Crafting Bags in the DLC section, will we have this confusion?
@Qyrk
Don't concentrate on the patch notes.
It's not a hypothetical scenario it's what actually was said on ESO live.
There is and was no confusion. It is as they said which conflicts directly against what they said prior.
The patch notes just align with what they said on ESO live.Edited by NewBlacksmurf on February 2, 2017 1:08AM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Sinthrax✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »willlienellson wrote: »
Didn't you QUOTE the section of patch notes you thought was relevant a few posts above this?NewBlacksmurf wrote: »@willlienellson
Did you go and read the actual patch notes?
I'm asking because in your comments you're suggesting context clue would determine something other than what's clearly written and what was clearly commented on at that time that they chose to lock a base game feature behind a sub.
It's not what you're suggesting
If you're quoting the patch notes and simultaneously telling people they need to go read the patch notes, then you're failing.
I read the patch notes back then. I read the section you quoted. You're still wrong.
@willlienellson
Wrong about what exactly.
Are you suggesting the crafting bag literally isn't a base game feature only accessible from ESO plus?
Honestly asking based on your comments. I want to follow what you're suggesting?
Crafting bag has never been a base game feature. When was it in the base game. It was ALWAYS a ESO+ feature. The only one that made it a base game feature was you. When was it in the base game. Remind me please.0 -
Wifeaggro13✭✭✭✭✭
✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »So I'm taking a very aggressive tone with some of you in the forums.
Before anyone gets too upset, I want to remind people of my feedback threads and many comments around ZOS' decision to go against their original claim that all base game updates would not require a sub.
See crafting bags is a base game update but it requires ESO Plus to gain full access.
Fast forward through all the harsh and tough comments made to me which mostly suggested....shut up and sub
Now all the subscribers who kept telling ppl they need to sub and who have literally bashed those who don't sub, seem to have experienced the same happening.
Morrowind as we heard today won't be accessible via ESO Plus.
Do you all want to talk about crafting bags now and being mislead????
Thank you. I've got it figured at where the community division is. Eso pandered to the B2p market and Barbi doll churn player they double dipped and shined the player base that played all of Eso as a premium. It's now backfiring when they offer true content and expect people to pay the churn casual is freaking out. I personally think they should change the whole buisness model back to premium only. Here is the bottom line if you were subbing to get the dlc's your dumb the only reason to sub was for the restriction on needed features like crafting riding and at one time gear restriction. You could have spent 60 dollars and gotten all the content for ever . Personally I didn't even bother playing the tripe that DB TG was. I subbed for the ability to play the game effectively. If your upset about marketing and buisness practices you should be pissed the game went B2p that's what ruined eso. But all the participation trophy generation wanted their option so there ya go don't cry now that your baby demands and Zos greed ruined eso for the community that wanted a premium MMO .0 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Wifeaggro13 wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »So I'm taking a very aggressive tone with some of you in the forums.
Before anyone gets too upset, I want to remind people of my feedback threads and many comments around ZOS' decision to go against their original claim that all base game updates would not require a sub.
See crafting bags is a base game update but it requires ESO Plus to gain full access.
Fast forward through all the harsh and tough comments made to me which mostly suggested....shut up and sub
Now all the subscribers who kept telling ppl they need to sub and who have literally bashed those who don't sub, seem to have experienced the same happening.
Morrowind as we heard today won't be accessible via ESO Plus.
Do you all want to talk about crafting bags now and being mislead????
Thank you. I've got it figured at where the community division is. Eso pandered to the B2p market and Barbi doll churn player they double dipped and shined the player base that played all of Eso as a premium. It's now backfiring when they offer true content and expect people to pay the churn casual is freaking out. I personally think they should change the whole buisness model back to premium only. Here is the bottom line if you were subbing to get the dlc's your dumb the only reason to sub was for the restriction on needed features like crafting riding and at one time gear restriction. You could have spent 60 dollars and gotten all the content for ever . Personally I didn't even bother playing the tripe that DB TG was. I subbed for the ability to play the game effectively. If your upset about marketing and buisness practices you should be pissed the game went B2p that's what ruined eso. But all the participation trophy generation wanted their option so there ya go don't cry now that your baby demands and Zos greed ruined eso for the community that wanted a premium MMO .
@Wifeaggro13
I kinda agree but with a tweak.
-scrap ESO plus
-scrap crowns
Allow all the below to be purchased with real money.
-keep dlc
-keep expansions
-sale season passes for ppl who want to sub and give them the benefits and clearly designate the dates and content included/excluded
Edited by NewBlacksmurf on February 2, 2017 1:37AM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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