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I see all this salt on the forums...
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SunfireKnight86✭✭✭✭
Wait... You're disputing his claim of "add 10 hours more content than the DLC Orsinium" by saying that the stream today claimed 30 hours of content for Morrowind? I believe that's what's known as confirming his claim of "10 hours more content" not disputing it.SunfireKnight86 wrote: »DaveMoeDee wrote: »SydneyGrey wrote: »The whining tonight is driving me to drink.
*Sips tap water*
Close enough.
I've played pretty much every Bethesda game since Morrowind, and they've always considered expansions separate from what people term "DLC." Always. I guess that's why I'm just not too upset about the expansion being priced separate and not included in ESO Plus. I can understand people who've been subbing for a long time being upset because perhaps they thought that every single thing would be considered DLC. Perhaps the company should have specified that major expansions wouldn't be considered DLC.
Did you sub to Skyrim? Did you have a Dishonored sub?
What content wasn't included in the Fallout 4 season pass? When Bethesda came up with more content for the Fallout 4 season pass, they they sell it separately? Or did they just raise the price of the season pass for future sales to better reflect the amount of content, while honoring the original marketing of the season pass?
Your comment really doen't add anything beyond the shallow argument of harping on the word "expansion". Add 10 hours more content than the DLC Orsinium and now it is an expansion. Doesn't matter. It doesn't change their deceptive marketing with ESO+ in light of planning to go 3 quarters without providing quarterly DLC.
Whew! Well lookie what we got here. You must share your review of the content that hasn't come out with us. That length would be especially surprising since they said there's 30 hours of story content in the stream today.
http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2015/10/05/orsinium-launch-details-and-new-videoOrsinium Launch Details wrote:The Orsinium DLC game pack, which boasts over 20 hours of story content and quests
Except they said it's more than twice as big as Wrothgar. But sure, whatever keeps gasoline on that temper tantrum. Go ahead, exaggerate away!
EDIT: Or the people who datamined it did. My B. They only described it as "huge" and "feeling like a whole new game". Excuse me. But let's not forget new dungeons, new factions, new class, new PvP, and who the hell knows what else! You deserve it for fifteen dollars!Edited by SunfireKnight86 on February 1, 2017 5:41AM0 -
Cadbury✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »This is what is so funny to me . People thinking fourty dollars is no big deal but having a couple mil in assets in 2017 is super rich . Like that's so incredible . Lol My friends have way more money then me . They will get a kick out of hearing this .
You tell your friends at the country club your gaming stories?
That's not country club money man LOL . Maybe in 1985 it was . That's just enough to get by these days and own a small business . Lmao .
Hehe I know. Just trying to keep the mood light.
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SanTii.92✭✭✭✭✭
✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »SunfireKnight86 wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »SunfireKnight86 wrote: »Skimmed the other thread, and now I see this one. I can't ever remember seeing anyone be as outright lost as you "SuNfIREyKn1gHt298720808." Forty dollars isn't anything to anyone, any normal person could look through their house and just find $40 laying around.
People are angry because this is a shady business practice, and if you don't agree with that -- you're simply incorrect. It's not a matter of opinion, it's not even arguable. Is Morrowind something that I have to download? Yes. Therefore it should have been included in the ESO+ perk "Access to all future Downloadable content." There is no argument to be made against this, and if you try making one -- you're a complete moron.
And you're talking out of your ass. If you don't agree with that, you're simply talking out of your ass.
This is fun! Do another one.MLGProPlayer wrote: »SunfireKnight86 wrote: »@SunfireKnight86
The term Expansion is just another word for DLC (Downloadable content), no one would be complaining if they didn't made one of their in game to store money (Crowns) completely invalid when it came to buying the new content. That's the issue right there.
No, actually, it isn't. It only seems that way if you're butchering the English language to try and make a point.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downloadable_content
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expansion_pack
They have never been the same thing. I've been (EDIT:ONLINE) gaming since Buffy the Vampire Slayer was that new ***. Trust me. DLC has always been smaller. Much smaller. Some companies would have called Wrothgar an xpac back in the day.
*Cue the, "I've been gaming since ninteen dickety three!" rants.*
It's extremely common to use the term interchangeably in the gaming industry. Here is Gamespot calling Orsinium an expansion pack.
So people use the term wrong, and you think suddenly ZOS should give you tons of content for fifteen dollars. Got it. For a minute I thought you were just talking nonsense.
It's not $15. It's $180 a year.
And I'll ask you again, do you sub? How many crowns have you bought in this game?
The subs are the ones who supported this game over the years with their money. Yet all I see is non-subs complaining about subs being "entitled".
No, it's $15 a month. You can stop any time you want before you reach $180. But I bet that's ZOS fault too, huh?
You didn't answer my question again. You seem very passionate about calling people who spend $180 a year on the game cheap. Please share with us how much money you've spent on this game. I'll be waiting.
You paid for 12 months of sub and Zenimax delivered, don't act now like they owe you a thing, cause they don't.
They have announced an xpac with 5 months of anticipation, you are able to do whatever you want now.When the snows fall and the white winds blow,
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Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »This is what is so funny to me . People thinking fourty dollars is no big deal but having a couple mil in assets in 2017 is super rich . Like that's so incredible . Lol My friends have way more money then me . They will get a kick out of hearing this .
You tell your friends at the country club your gaming stories?
That's not country club money man LOL . Maybe in 1985 it was . That's just enough to get by these days and own a small business . Lmao .
Hehe I know. Just trying to keep the mood light.
The only reason I know my money is we are in the middle of finishing taxes and by the time the state and fed get done , I'll really need to borrow $40 for Marrowind lol .0 -
SunfireKnight86✭✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »This is what is so funny to me . People thinking fourty dollars is no big deal but having a couple mil in assets in 2017 is super rich . Like that's so incredible . Lol My friends have way more money then me . They will get a kick out of hearing this .
You tell your friends at the country club your gaming stories?
That's not country club money man LOL . Maybe in 1985 it was . That's just enough to get by these days and own a small business . Lmao .
Hehe I know. Just trying to keep the mood light.
The only reason I know my money is we are in the middle of finishing taxes and by the time the state and fed get done , I'll really need to borrow $40 for Marrowind lol .
Now that I believe. :P My buddy who owns a martial arts studio says they're a *** nightmare on small business owners.1 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »SunfireKnight86 wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »SunfireKnight86 wrote: »Skimmed the other thread, and now I see this one. I can't ever remember seeing anyone be as outright lost as you "SuNfIREyKn1gHt298720808." Forty dollars isn't anything to anyone, any normal person could look through their house and just find $40 laying around.
People are angry because this is a shady business practice, and if you don't agree with that -- you're simply incorrect. It's not a matter of opinion, it's not even arguable. Is Morrowind something that I have to download? Yes. Therefore it should have been included in the ESO+ perk "Access to all future Downloadable content." There is no argument to be made against this, and if you try making one -- you're a complete moron.
And you're talking out of your ass. If you don't agree with that, you're simply talking out of your ass.
This is fun! Do another one.MLGProPlayer wrote: »SunfireKnight86 wrote: »@SunfireKnight86
The term Expansion is just another word for DLC (Downloadable content), no one would be complaining if they didn't made one of their in game to store money (Crowns) completely invalid when it came to buying the new content. That's the issue right there.
No, actually, it isn't. It only seems that way if you're butchering the English language to try and make a point.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downloadable_content
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expansion_pack
They have never been the same thing. I've been (EDIT:ONLINE) gaming since Buffy the Vampire Slayer was that new ***. Trust me. DLC has always been smaller. Much smaller. Some companies would have called Wrothgar an xpac back in the day.
*Cue the, "I've been gaming since ninteen dickety three!" rants.*
It's extremely common to use the term interchangeably in the gaming industry. Here is Gamespot calling Orsinium an expansion pack.
So people use the term wrong, and you think suddenly ZOS should give you tons of content for fifteen dollars. Got it. For a minute I thought you were just talking nonsense.
It's not $15. It's $180 a year.
And I'll ask you again, do you sub? How many crowns have you bought in this game?
The subs are the ones who supported this game over the years with their money. Yet all I see is non-subs complaining about subs being "entitled".
No, it's $15 a month. You can stop any time you want before you reach $180. But I bet that's ZOS fault too, huh?
You didn't answer my question again. You seem very passionate about calling people who spend $180 a year on the game cheap. Please share with us how much money you've spent on this game. I'll be waiting.
You paid for 12 months of sub and Zenimax delivered, don't act now like they owe you a thing, cause they don't.
They have announced an xpac with 5 months of anticipation, you are able to do whatever you want now.
I don't expect anything. I'm questioning why non-subs are so passionate about calling subs "entitled".0 -
UrQuan✭✭✭✭✭
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So ZOS says 30 hours of story content for Morrowind... And ZOS says 20 hours of story content for Orsinium... But if someone on the forums says Morrowind is 10 hours more than Orsinium they're exaggerating and having a temper tantrum? Care to explain the mental gymnastics required to come up with that one?SunfireKnight86 wrote: »
Wait... You're disputing his claim of "add 10 hours more content than the DLC Orsinium" by saying that the stream today claimed 30 hours of content for Morrowind? I believe that's what's known as confirming his claim of "10 hours more content" not disputing it.SunfireKnight86 wrote: »DaveMoeDee wrote: »SydneyGrey wrote: »The whining tonight is driving me to drink.
*Sips tap water*
Close enough.
I've played pretty much every Bethesda game since Morrowind, and they've always considered expansions separate from what people term "DLC." Always. I guess that's why I'm just not too upset about the expansion being priced separate and not included in ESO Plus. I can understand people who've been subbing for a long time being upset because perhaps they thought that every single thing would be considered DLC. Perhaps the company should have specified that major expansions wouldn't be considered DLC.
Did you sub to Skyrim? Did you have a Dishonored sub?
What content wasn't included in the Fallout 4 season pass? When Bethesda came up with more content for the Fallout 4 season pass, they they sell it separately? Or did they just raise the price of the season pass for future sales to better reflect the amount of content, while honoring the original marketing of the season pass?
Your comment really doen't add anything beyond the shallow argument of harping on the word "expansion". Add 10 hours more content than the DLC Orsinium and now it is an expansion. Doesn't matter. It doesn't change their deceptive marketing with ESO+ in light of planning to go 3 quarters without providing quarterly DLC.
Whew! Well lookie what we got here. You must share your review of the content that hasn't come out with us. That length would be especially surprising since they said there's 30 hours of story content in the stream today.
http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2015/10/05/orsinium-launch-details-and-new-videoOrsinium Launch Details wrote:The Orsinium DLC game pack, which boasts over 20 hours of story content and quests
Except they said it's more than twice as big as Wrothgar. But sure, whatever keeps gasoline on that temper tantrum. Go ahead, exaggerate away!
EDIT: Or the people who datamined it did. My B. They only described it as "huge" and "feeling like a whole new game". Excuse me. But let's not forget new dungeons, new factions, new class, new PvP, and who the hell knows what else! You deserve it for fifteen dollars!
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SunfireKnight86✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »SunfireKnight86 wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »SunfireKnight86 wrote: »Skimmed the other thread, and now I see this one. I can't ever remember seeing anyone be as outright lost as you "SuNfIREyKn1gHt298720808." Forty dollars isn't anything to anyone, any normal person could look through their house and just find $40 laying around.
People are angry because this is a shady business practice, and if you don't agree with that -- you're simply incorrect. It's not a matter of opinion, it's not even arguable. Is Morrowind something that I have to download? Yes. Therefore it should have been included in the ESO+ perk "Access to all future Downloadable content." There is no argument to be made against this, and if you try making one -- you're a complete moron.
And you're talking out of your ass. If you don't agree with that, you're simply talking out of your ass.
This is fun! Do another one.MLGProPlayer wrote: »SunfireKnight86 wrote: »@SunfireKnight86
The term Expansion is just another word for DLC (Downloadable content), no one would be complaining if they didn't made one of their in game to store money (Crowns) completely invalid when it came to buying the new content. That's the issue right there.
No, actually, it isn't. It only seems that way if you're butchering the English language to try and make a point.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downloadable_content
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expansion_pack
They have never been the same thing. I've been (EDIT:ONLINE) gaming since Buffy the Vampire Slayer was that new ***. Trust me. DLC has always been smaller. Much smaller. Some companies would have called Wrothgar an xpac back in the day.
*Cue the, "I've been gaming since ninteen dickety three!" rants.*
It's extremely common to use the term interchangeably in the gaming industry. Here is Gamespot calling Orsinium an expansion pack.
So people use the term wrong, and you think suddenly ZOS should give you tons of content for fifteen dollars. Got it. For a minute I thought you were just talking nonsense.
It's not $15. It's $180 a year.
And I'll ask you again, do you sub? How many crowns have you bought in this game?
The subs are the ones who supported this game over the years with their money. Yet all I see is non-subs complaining about subs being "entitled".
No, it's $15 a month. You can stop any time you want before you reach $180. But I bet that's ZOS fault too, huh?
You didn't answer my question again. You seem very passionate about calling people who spend $180 a year on the game cheap. Please share with us how much money you've spent on this game. I'll be waiting.
You paid for 12 months of sub and Zenimax delivered, don't act now like they owe you a thing, cause they don't.
They have announced an xpac with 5 months of anticipation, you are able to do whatever you want now.
I don't expect anything. I'm questioning why non-subs are so passionate about calling subs "entitled".
I like how you pretend that everyone who disagrees with you doesn't pay a sub. I suppose in your mind that would make you automatically right or something? You never actually make a point, so I'm having a lot of trouble figuring out what you're getting at.1 -
UrQuan✭✭✭✭✭
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It's because these days everyone feels so damn entitled to call everyone else entitledMLGProPlayer wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »SunfireKnight86 wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »SunfireKnight86 wrote: »Skimmed the other thread, and now I see this one. I can't ever remember seeing anyone be as outright lost as you "SuNfIREyKn1gHt298720808." Forty dollars isn't anything to anyone, any normal person could look through their house and just find $40 laying around.
People are angry because this is a shady business practice, and if you don't agree with that -- you're simply incorrect. It's not a matter of opinion, it's not even arguable. Is Morrowind something that I have to download? Yes. Therefore it should have been included in the ESO+ perk "Access to all future Downloadable content." There is no argument to be made against this, and if you try making one -- you're a complete moron.
And you're talking out of your ass. If you don't agree with that, you're simply talking out of your ass.
This is fun! Do another one.MLGProPlayer wrote: »SunfireKnight86 wrote: »@SunfireKnight86
The term Expansion is just another word for DLC (Downloadable content), no one would be complaining if they didn't made one of their in game to store money (Crowns) completely invalid when it came to buying the new content. That's the issue right there.
No, actually, it isn't. It only seems that way if you're butchering the English language to try and make a point.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downloadable_content
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expansion_pack
They have never been the same thing. I've been (EDIT:ONLINE) gaming since Buffy the Vampire Slayer was that new ***. Trust me. DLC has always been smaller. Much smaller. Some companies would have called Wrothgar an xpac back in the day.
*Cue the, "I've been gaming since ninteen dickety three!" rants.*
It's extremely common to use the term interchangeably in the gaming industry. Here is Gamespot calling Orsinium an expansion pack.
So people use the term wrong, and you think suddenly ZOS should give you tons of content for fifteen dollars. Got it. For a minute I thought you were just talking nonsense.
It's not $15. It's $180 a year.
And I'll ask you again, do you sub? How many crowns have you bought in this game?
The subs are the ones who supported this game over the years with their money. Yet all I see is non-subs complaining about subs being "entitled".
No, it's $15 a month. You can stop any time you want before you reach $180. But I bet that's ZOS fault too, huh?
You didn't answer my question again. You seem very passionate about calling people who spend $180 a year on the game cheap. Please share with us how much money you've spent on this game. I'll be waiting.
You paid for 12 months of sub and Zenimax delivered, don't act now like they owe you a thing, cause they don't.
They have announced an xpac with 5 months of anticipation, you are able to do whatever you want now.
I don't expect anything. I'm questioning why non-subs are so passionate about calling subs "entitled".
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J'zharka Khajiit NB (AD)Isabeau Runeseer Breton Sorc (DC)
Fevassa Dunmer DK (EP)
Manut Redguard Temp (AD)
Tylera the Summoner Altmer Sorc (EP)
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SunfireKnight86✭✭✭✭
So ZOS says 30 hours of story content for Morrowind... And ZOS says 20 hours of story content for Orsinium... But if someone on the forums says Morrowind is 10 hours more than Orsinium they're exaggerating and having a temper tantrum? Care to explain the mental gymnastics required to come up with that one?SunfireKnight86 wrote: »
Wait... You're disputing his claim of "add 10 hours more content than the DLC Orsinium" by saying that the stream today claimed 30 hours of content for Morrowind? I believe that's what's known as confirming his claim of "10 hours more content" not disputing it.SunfireKnight86 wrote: »DaveMoeDee wrote: »SydneyGrey wrote: »The whining tonight is driving me to drink.
*Sips tap water*
Close enough.
I've played pretty much every Bethesda game since Morrowind, and they've always considered expansions separate from what people term "DLC." Always. I guess that's why I'm just not too upset about the expansion being priced separate and not included in ESO Plus. I can understand people who've been subbing for a long time being upset because perhaps they thought that every single thing would be considered DLC. Perhaps the company should have specified that major expansions wouldn't be considered DLC.
Did you sub to Skyrim? Did you have a Dishonored sub?
What content wasn't included in the Fallout 4 season pass? When Bethesda came up with more content for the Fallout 4 season pass, they they sell it separately? Or did they just raise the price of the season pass for future sales to better reflect the amount of content, while honoring the original marketing of the season pass?
Your comment really doen't add anything beyond the shallow argument of harping on the word "expansion". Add 10 hours more content than the DLC Orsinium and now it is an expansion. Doesn't matter. It doesn't change their deceptive marketing with ESO+ in light of planning to go 3 quarters without providing quarterly DLC.
Whew! Well lookie what we got here. You must share your review of the content that hasn't come out with us. That length would be especially surprising since they said there's 30 hours of story content in the stream today.
http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2015/10/05/orsinium-launch-details-and-new-videoOrsinium Launch Details wrote:The Orsinium DLC game pack, which boasts over 20 hours of story content and quests
Except they said it's more than twice as big as Wrothgar. But sure, whatever keeps gasoline on that temper tantrum. Go ahead, exaggerate away!
EDIT: Or the people who datamined it did. My B. They only described it as "huge" and "feeling like a whole new game". Excuse me. But let's not forget new dungeons, new factions, new class, new PvP, and who the hell knows what else! You deserve it for fifteen dollars!
I'm not going to quibble while you people pull random numbers out of your ass. I trust what they said in the stream I literally just watched for a second time way more than anything you're spewing.
Here's a simple solution: Don't buy it if it hurts your feelings. Problem solved. Next.0 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SunfireKnight86 wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »SunfireKnight86 wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »SunfireKnight86 wrote: »Skimmed the other thread, and now I see this one. I can't ever remember seeing anyone be as outright lost as you "SuNfIREyKn1gHt298720808." Forty dollars isn't anything to anyone, any normal person could look through their house and just find $40 laying around.
People are angry because this is a shady business practice, and if you don't agree with that -- you're simply incorrect. It's not a matter of opinion, it's not even arguable. Is Morrowind something that I have to download? Yes. Therefore it should have been included in the ESO+ perk "Access to all future Downloadable content." There is no argument to be made against this, and if you try making one -- you're a complete moron.
And you're talking out of your ass. If you don't agree with that, you're simply talking out of your ass.
This is fun! Do another one.MLGProPlayer wrote: »SunfireKnight86 wrote: »@SunfireKnight86
The term Expansion is just another word for DLC (Downloadable content), no one would be complaining if they didn't made one of their in game to store money (Crowns) completely invalid when it came to buying the new content. That's the issue right there.
No, actually, it isn't. It only seems that way if you're butchering the English language to try and make a point.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downloadable_content
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expansion_pack
They have never been the same thing. I've been (EDIT:ONLINE) gaming since Buffy the Vampire Slayer was that new ***. Trust me. DLC has always been smaller. Much smaller. Some companies would have called Wrothgar an xpac back in the day.
*Cue the, "I've been gaming since ninteen dickety three!" rants.*
It's extremely common to use the term interchangeably in the gaming industry. Here is Gamespot calling Orsinium an expansion pack.
So people use the term wrong, and you think suddenly ZOS should give you tons of content for fifteen dollars. Got it. For a minute I thought you were just talking nonsense.
It's not $15. It's $180 a year.
And I'll ask you again, do you sub? How many crowns have you bought in this game?
The subs are the ones who supported this game over the years with their money. Yet all I see is non-subs complaining about subs being "entitled".
No, it's $15 a month. You can stop any time you want before you reach $180. But I bet that's ZOS fault too, huh?
You didn't answer my question again. You seem very passionate about calling people who spend $180 a year on the game cheap. Please share with us how much money you've spent on this game. I'll be waiting.
You paid for 12 months of sub and Zenimax delivered, don't act now like they owe you a thing, cause they don't.
They have announced an xpac with 5 months of anticipation, you are able to do whatever you want now.
I don't expect anything. I'm questioning why non-subs are so passionate about calling subs "entitled".
I like how you pretend that everyone who disagrees with you doesn't pay a sub. I suppose in your mind that would make you automatically right or something? You never actually make a point, so I'm having a lot of trouble figuring out what you're getting at.
You aren't disagreeing with me. You are arguing against a strawman, as I've already told you.
You are calling your opponents in this debate "cheap", "poor", and "entitled". Supposedly someone who pays $180 a year for the game can't afford to pay an extra $40.
If you are going to resort to name calling instead of arguing, then share with us how much you've contributed to the game. It can't be that hard.Edited by MLGProPlayer on February 1, 2017 5:51AM1 -
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Random numbers like the ones ZOS said in the quote and link I so helpfully provided for you? Those random numbers? The ones that ZOS was spewing?SunfireKnight86 wrote: »
So ZOS says 30 hours of story content for Morrowind... And ZOS says 20 hours of story content for Orsinium... But if someone on the forums says Morrowind is 10 hours more than Orsinium they're exaggerating and having a temper tantrum? Care to explain the mental gymnastics required to come up with that one?SunfireKnight86 wrote: »
Wait... You're disputing his claim of "add 10 hours more content than the DLC Orsinium" by saying that the stream today claimed 30 hours of content for Morrowind? I believe that's what's known as confirming his claim of "10 hours more content" not disputing it.SunfireKnight86 wrote: »DaveMoeDee wrote: »SydneyGrey wrote: »The whining tonight is driving me to drink.
*Sips tap water*
Close enough.
I've played pretty much every Bethesda game since Morrowind, and they've always considered expansions separate from what people term "DLC." Always. I guess that's why I'm just not too upset about the expansion being priced separate and not included in ESO Plus. I can understand people who've been subbing for a long time being upset because perhaps they thought that every single thing would be considered DLC. Perhaps the company should have specified that major expansions wouldn't be considered DLC.
Did you sub to Skyrim? Did you have a Dishonored sub?
What content wasn't included in the Fallout 4 season pass? When Bethesda came up with more content for the Fallout 4 season pass, they they sell it separately? Or did they just raise the price of the season pass for future sales to better reflect the amount of content, while honoring the original marketing of the season pass?
Your comment really doen't add anything beyond the shallow argument of harping on the word "expansion". Add 10 hours more content than the DLC Orsinium and now it is an expansion. Doesn't matter. It doesn't change their deceptive marketing with ESO+ in light of planning to go 3 quarters without providing quarterly DLC.
Whew! Well lookie what we got here. You must share your review of the content that hasn't come out with us. That length would be especially surprising since they said there's 30 hours of story content in the stream today.
http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2015/10/05/orsinium-launch-details-and-new-videoOrsinium Launch Details wrote:The Orsinium DLC game pack, which boasts over 20 hours of story content and quests
Except they said it's more than twice as big as Wrothgar. But sure, whatever keeps gasoline on that temper tantrum. Go ahead, exaggerate away!
EDIT: Or the people who datamined it did. My B. They only described it as "huge" and "feeling like a whole new game". Excuse me. But let's not forget new dungeons, new factions, new class, new PvP, and who the hell knows what else! You deserve it for fifteen dollars!
I'm not going to quibble while you people pull random numbers out of your ass. I trust what they said in the stream I literally just watched for a second time way more than anything you're spewing.
Here's a simple solution: Don't buy it if it hurts your feelings. Problem solved. Next.
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Random numbers like the ones ZOS said in the quote and link I so helpfully provided for you? Those random numbers? The ones that ZOS was spewing?SunfireKnight86 wrote: »
So ZOS says 30 hours of story content for Morrowind... And ZOS says 20 hours of story content for Orsinium... But if someone on the forums says Morrowind is 10 hours more than Orsinium they're exaggerating and having a temper tantrum? Care to explain the mental gymnastics required to come up with that one?SunfireKnight86 wrote: »
Wait... You're disputing his claim of "add 10 hours more content than the DLC Orsinium" by saying that the stream today claimed 30 hours of content for Morrowind? I believe that's what's known as confirming his claim of "10 hours more content" not disputing it.SunfireKnight86 wrote: »DaveMoeDee wrote: »SydneyGrey wrote: »The whining tonight is driving me to drink.
*Sips tap water*
Close enough.
I've played pretty much every Bethesda game since Morrowind, and they've always considered expansions separate from what people term "DLC." Always. I guess that's why I'm just not too upset about the expansion being priced separate and not included in ESO Plus. I can understand people who've been subbing for a long time being upset because perhaps they thought that every single thing would be considered DLC. Perhaps the company should have specified that major expansions wouldn't be considered DLC.
Did you sub to Skyrim? Did you have a Dishonored sub?
What content wasn't included in the Fallout 4 season pass? When Bethesda came up with more content for the Fallout 4 season pass, they they sell it separately? Or did they just raise the price of the season pass for future sales to better reflect the amount of content, while honoring the original marketing of the season pass?
Your comment really doen't add anything beyond the shallow argument of harping on the word "expansion". Add 10 hours more content than the DLC Orsinium and now it is an expansion. Doesn't matter. It doesn't change their deceptive marketing with ESO+ in light of planning to go 3 quarters without providing quarterly DLC.
Whew! Well lookie what we got here. You must share your review of the content that hasn't come out with us. That length would be especially surprising since they said there's 30 hours of story content in the stream today.
http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2015/10/05/orsinium-launch-details-and-new-videoOrsinium Launch Details wrote:The Orsinium DLC game pack, which boasts over 20 hours of story content and quests
Except they said it's more than twice as big as Wrothgar. But sure, whatever keeps gasoline on that temper tantrum. Go ahead, exaggerate away!
EDIT: Or the people who datamined it did. My B. They only described it as "huge" and "feeling like a whole new game". Excuse me. But let's not forget new dungeons, new factions, new class, new PvP, and who the hell knows what else! You deserve it for fifteen dollars!
I'm not going to quibble while you people pull random numbers out of your ass. I trust what they said in the stream I literally just watched for a second time way more than anything you're spewing.
Here's a simple solution: Don't buy it if it hurts your feelings. Problem solved. Next.
That link you posted that says "twenty hours" literally nowhere in it.
Look, I know you're desperate to have everyone agree with you. And in your dream the impossible dream world, if you stomp your feet and hold your breath, ZOS will just give away their work because you don't know the difference between an xpac and a DLC, but it isn't going to happen. Accept it and move on.
EDIT: Whoops! I found it. But of course, you misquoted. It says twenty hours of story content. There was a lot more than story content, just like there will be with Morrowind. But that doesn't fit your narrative. It's only ten hours more according to you, who hasn't actually played it.
I'm wasting my time talking you people at this point. Enjoy Morrowind when you huff, and you puff, and you buy it anyway and rave to everyone about it like everyone already knows you will. (Including ZOS)Edited by SunfireKnight86 on February 1, 2017 5:57AM0 -
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No need to act condescending but since you addressed my point and backed it with wikipedia (I don't find that credible one bit but that's fine)please do address how invalidating one currency you pay for with real money so you cannot use that same thing to buy this new content.
I've been online MMO gaming since runescape looked like stick figures moving so I'm not sure how addressing your online gaming experince in any statement addresses invalidating crowns you paid for with real money, when it comes to buying the a new piece of content.不動の Steadfast - Unwavering
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Really. That's interesting. Let me show you a screenshot of that link with the relevant text highlighted (which actually makes it difficult to read, but if you go to the link and check out the corresponding spot you'll see that it very clearly states 20 hours of story and quest content, exactly like it did in the text that I copied and pasted directly from the link):SunfireKnight86 wrote: »
Random numbers like the ones ZOS said in the quote and link I so helpfully provided for you? Those random numbers? The ones that ZOS was spewing?SunfireKnight86 wrote: »
So ZOS says 30 hours of story content for Morrowind... And ZOS says 20 hours of story content for Orsinium... But if someone on the forums says Morrowind is 10 hours more than Orsinium they're exaggerating and having a temper tantrum? Care to explain the mental gymnastics required to come up with that one?SunfireKnight86 wrote: »
Wait... You're disputing his claim of "add 10 hours more content than the DLC Orsinium" by saying that the stream today claimed 30 hours of content for Morrowind? I believe that's what's known as confirming his claim of "10 hours more content" not disputing it.SunfireKnight86 wrote: »DaveMoeDee wrote: »SydneyGrey wrote: »The whining tonight is driving me to drink.
*Sips tap water*
Close enough.
I've played pretty much every Bethesda game since Morrowind, and they've always considered expansions separate from what people term "DLC." Always. I guess that's why I'm just not too upset about the expansion being priced separate and not included in ESO Plus. I can understand people who've been subbing for a long time being upset because perhaps they thought that every single thing would be considered DLC. Perhaps the company should have specified that major expansions wouldn't be considered DLC.
Did you sub to Skyrim? Did you have a Dishonored sub?
What content wasn't included in the Fallout 4 season pass? When Bethesda came up with more content for the Fallout 4 season pass, they they sell it separately? Or did they just raise the price of the season pass for future sales to better reflect the amount of content, while honoring the original marketing of the season pass?
Your comment really doen't add anything beyond the shallow argument of harping on the word "expansion". Add 10 hours more content than the DLC Orsinium and now it is an expansion. Doesn't matter. It doesn't change their deceptive marketing with ESO+ in light of planning to go 3 quarters without providing quarterly DLC.
Whew! Well lookie what we got here. You must share your review of the content that hasn't come out with us. That length would be especially surprising since they said there's 30 hours of story content in the stream today.
http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2015/10/05/orsinium-launch-details-and-new-videoOrsinium Launch Details wrote:The Orsinium DLC game pack, which boasts over 20 hours of story content and quests
Except they said it's more than twice as big as Wrothgar. But sure, whatever keeps gasoline on that temper tantrum. Go ahead, exaggerate away!
EDIT: Or the people who datamined it did. My B. They only described it as "huge" and "feeling like a whole new game". Excuse me. But let's not forget new dungeons, new factions, new class, new PvP, and who the hell knows what else! You deserve it for fifteen dollars!
I'm not going to quibble while you people pull random numbers out of your ass. I trust what they said in the stream I literally just watched for a second time way more than anything you're spewing.
Here's a simple solution: Don't buy it if it hurts your feelings. Problem solved. Next.
That link you posted that says "twenty hours" literally nowhere in it.
Here's that link for you again:
http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2015/10/05/orsinium-launch-details-and-new-video
I'll patiently wait for you to apologize to me and to @DaveMoeDee.
I love how you assume that just because I'm pointing out factual errors in what you're saying I'm stomping my feet and holding my breath for ZOS to change their minds on this. In fact, I'm trying desperately to find out how I can preorder the physical collectors edition (which doesn't yet seem to be possible in Canada). It just so happens that you're wrong about a ton of things you're saying.SunfireKnight86 wrote: »Look, I know you're desperate to have everyone agree with you. And in your dream the impossible dream world, if you stomp your feet and hold your breath, ZOS will just give away their work because you don't know the difference between an xpac and a DLC, but it isn't going to happen. Accept it and move on.
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Random numbers like the ones ZOS said in the quote and link I so helpfully provided for you? Those random numbers? The ones that ZOS was spewing?SunfireKnight86 wrote: »
So ZOS says 30 hours of story content for Morrowind... And ZOS says 20 hours of story content for Orsinium... But if someone on the forums says Morrowind is 10 hours more than Orsinium they're exaggerating and having a temper tantrum? Care to explain the mental gymnastics required to come up with that one?SunfireKnight86 wrote: »
Wait... You're disputing his claim of "add 10 hours more content than the DLC Orsinium" by saying that the stream today claimed 30 hours of content for Morrowind? I believe that's what's known as confirming his claim of "10 hours more content" not disputing it.SunfireKnight86 wrote: »DaveMoeDee wrote: »SydneyGrey wrote: »The whining tonight is driving me to drink.
*Sips tap water*
Close enough.
I've played pretty much every Bethesda game since Morrowind, and they've always considered expansions separate from what people term "DLC." Always. I guess that's why I'm just not too upset about the expansion being priced separate and not included in ESO Plus. I can understand people who've been subbing for a long time being upset because perhaps they thought that every single thing would be considered DLC. Perhaps the company should have specified that major expansions wouldn't be considered DLC.
Did you sub to Skyrim? Did you have a Dishonored sub?
What content wasn't included in the Fallout 4 season pass? When Bethesda came up with more content for the Fallout 4 season pass, they they sell it separately? Or did they just raise the price of the season pass for future sales to better reflect the amount of content, while honoring the original marketing of the season pass?
Your comment really doen't add anything beyond the shallow argument of harping on the word "expansion". Add 10 hours more content than the DLC Orsinium and now it is an expansion. Doesn't matter. It doesn't change their deceptive marketing with ESO+ in light of planning to go 3 quarters without providing quarterly DLC.
Whew! Well lookie what we got here. You must share your review of the content that hasn't come out with us. That length would be especially surprising since they said there's 30 hours of story content in the stream today.
http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2015/10/05/orsinium-launch-details-and-new-videoOrsinium Launch Details wrote:The Orsinium DLC game pack, which boasts over 20 hours of story content and quests
Except they said it's more than twice as big as Wrothgar. But sure, whatever keeps gasoline on that temper tantrum. Go ahead, exaggerate away!
EDIT: Or the people who datamined it did. My B. They only described it as "huge" and "feeling like a whole new game". Excuse me. But let's not forget new dungeons, new factions, new class, new PvP, and who the hell knows what else! You deserve it for fifteen dollars!
I'm not going to quibble while you people pull random numbers out of your ass. I trust what they said in the stream I literally just watched for a second time way more than anything you're spewing.
Here's a simple solution: Don't buy it if it hurts your feelings. Problem solved. Next.
That link you posted that says "twenty hours" literally nowhere in it.
Look, I know you're desperate to have everyone agree with you. And in your dream the impossible dream world, if you stomp your feet and hold your breath, ZOS will just give away their work because you don't know the difference between an xpac and a DLC, but it isn't going to happen. Accept it and move on.
EDIT@SunfireKnight86
No need to act condescending but since you addressed my point and backed it with wikipedia (I don't find that credible one bit but that's fine)please do address how invalidating one currency you pay for with real money so you cannot use that same thing to buy this new content.
I've been online MMO gaming since runescape looked like stick figures moving so I'm not sure how addressing your online gaming experince in any statement addresses invalidating crowns you paid for with real money, when it comes to buying the a new piece of content.
Ask me how much I care what you consider "valid". Last I checked, we're bitching about video games on the internet, Socrates.
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Wait... You're disputing his claim of "add 10 hours more content than the DLC Orsinium" by saying that the stream today claimed 30 hours of content for Morrowind? I believe that's what's known as confirming his claim of "10 hours more content" not disputing it.SunfireKnight86 wrote: »DaveMoeDee wrote: »SydneyGrey wrote: »The whining tonight is driving me to drink.
*Sips tap water*
Close enough.
I've played pretty much every Bethesda game since Morrowind, and they've always considered expansions separate from what people term "DLC." Always. I guess that's why I'm just not too upset about the expansion being priced separate and not included in ESO Plus. I can understand people who've been subbing for a long time being upset because perhaps they thought that every single thing would be considered DLC. Perhaps the company should have specified that major expansions wouldn't be considered DLC.
Did you sub to Skyrim? Did you have a Dishonored sub?
What content wasn't included in the Fallout 4 season pass? When Bethesda came up with more content for the Fallout 4 season pass, they they sell it separately? Or did they just raise the price of the season pass for future sales to better reflect the amount of content, while honoring the original marketing of the season pass?
Your comment really doen't add anything beyond the shallow argument of harping on the word "expansion". Add 10 hours more content than the DLC Orsinium and now it is an expansion. Doesn't matter. It doesn't change their deceptive marketing with ESO+ in light of planning to go 3 quarters without providing quarterly DLC.
Whew! Well lookie what we got here. You must share your review of the content that hasn't come out with us. That length would be especially surprising since they said there's 30 hours of story content in the stream today.
http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2015/10/05/orsinium-launch-details-and-new-videoOrsinium Launch Details wrote:The Orsinium DLC game pack, which boasts over 20 hours of story content and quests
Except they said it's more than twice as big as Wrothgar. But sure, whatever keeps gasoline on that temper tantrum. Go ahead, exaggerate away!
EDIT: Or the people who datamined it did. My B. They only described it as "huge" and "feeling like a whole new game". Excuse me. But let's not forget new dungeons, new factions, new class, new PvP, and who the hell knows what else! You deserve it for fifteen dollars!
Maybe it is huge because there is a big mountain you can't access in the middle? And, btw, Cyrodiil is huge. That isn't enough unless you wanted horse riding simulator.
Your last sentence is juvenile. No one is asking for that. Just shows your inability to discuss a topic honestly. You are clearly wrong, as others have show with the actual text ZOS provide showing the 20 hour claim, yet you are quick to talk of 'temper tantrums' and other people's supposed exaggerations. You are a smug Mr Know-it-all while saying something that everyone reading the thread can see is demonstrably false.2 -
SunfireKnight86✭✭✭✭DaveMoeDee wrote: »SunfireKnight86 wrote: »
Wait... You're disputing his claim of "add 10 hours more content than the DLC Orsinium" by saying that the stream today claimed 30 hours of content for Morrowind? I believe that's what's known as confirming his claim of "10 hours more content" not disputing it.SunfireKnight86 wrote: »DaveMoeDee wrote: »SydneyGrey wrote: »The whining tonight is driving me to drink.
*Sips tap water*
Close enough.
I've played pretty much every Bethesda game since Morrowind, and they've always considered expansions separate from what people term "DLC." Always. I guess that's why I'm just not too upset about the expansion being priced separate and not included in ESO Plus. I can understand people who've been subbing for a long time being upset because perhaps they thought that every single thing would be considered DLC. Perhaps the company should have specified that major expansions wouldn't be considered DLC.
Did you sub to Skyrim? Did you have a Dishonored sub?
What content wasn't included in the Fallout 4 season pass? When Bethesda came up with more content for the Fallout 4 season pass, they they sell it separately? Or did they just raise the price of the season pass for future sales to better reflect the amount of content, while honoring the original marketing of the season pass?
Your comment really doen't add anything beyond the shallow argument of harping on the word "expansion". Add 10 hours more content than the DLC Orsinium and now it is an expansion. Doesn't matter. It doesn't change their deceptive marketing with ESO+ in light of planning to go 3 quarters without providing quarterly DLC.
Whew! Well lookie what we got here. You must share your review of the content that hasn't come out with us. That length would be especially surprising since they said there's 30 hours of story content in the stream today.
http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2015/10/05/orsinium-launch-details-and-new-videoOrsinium Launch Details wrote:The Orsinium DLC game pack, which boasts over 20 hours of story content and quests
Except they said it's more than twice as big as Wrothgar. But sure, whatever keeps gasoline on that temper tantrum. Go ahead, exaggerate away!
EDIT: Or the people who datamined it did. My B. They only described it as "huge" and "feeling like a whole new game". Excuse me. But let's not forget new dungeons, new factions, new class, new PvP, and who the hell knows what else! You deserve it for fifteen dollars!
Maybe it is huge because there is a big mountain you can't access in the middle? And, btw, Cyrodiil is huge. That isn't enough unless you wanted horse riding simulator.
Your last sentence is juvenile. No one is asking for that. Just shows your inability to discuss a topic honestly. You are clearly wrong, as others have show with the actual text ZOS provide showing the 20 hour claim, yet you are quick to talk of 'temper tantrums' and other people's supposed exaggerations. You are a smug Mr Know-it-all while saying something that everyone reading the thread can see is demonstrably false.
Yes, according to everyone whining, the big deal is that this huge chunk of content isn't covered by their sub as DLC. You people are literally crying because you don't get a games worth of content on your sub. You weren't "lied to" or "mislead". You got, and continue to get, exactly what was promised, and now you want more.0 -
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