IndyWendieGo wrote: »

BigBragg wrote: »

....just like whoever is coming up with the Crown Store prices.

^This.

And for those saying "You can get them in game with gold!" They've already said that there's going to be Crown Store exclusive homes as well. So no. No matter how many times I try to throw my gold that way, it's not going to matter for those houses.

And why does it matter if they have cs exclusive homes? I've never understood why people feel the need to have everything others have. Buy what you can afford and what you like. Why would I be mad at someone else for buying a Ferrari if I can only afford a Chevy? They got the money for it, more power to em.

Not trying to start an argument I am genuinely curious as to why people think everything need to be equal.

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Chrysa1is wrote: »

Pay to win.

Can you elaborate on what you are winning?

Ufretin wrote: »

10k crowns is only 40€ (if you bought discounted crowns) or 7 months of eso plus subscription. Considering the insane numbers of players who already bought mounts at 5k crowns, there will be LOTS of ppl buying manors from crown store.

I expect so. The one thing about houses is that, unlike costumes and mounts, no one really knows you own it. There is no sign out front saying "@lordrichter owns this house". I have to brag it up, which just adds to the cost of the house.

I am sure there were people who bought the Elk mount just because they wanted to be seen with it in the game. Granted, not everyone, but a huge purpose for these items is so that people know you have it. Houses are a big vanity item that only a few people know about. I guess if the right people know about it, then it matters.

Tavore1138 wrote: »

As my wife put it this makes it seem like the cost of the top houses in the game is too high and suddenly makes what seemed like an interesting and well designed game system look like an in game barrier to push you towards the crown store.

Yes. They are not selling Homestead as a paid DLC. Instead, they are selling the houses themselves. They need to make it so that the Crown Store prices seem reasonable against millions in gold. The purpose of the cash shop in a free to play game is to generate revenue, and they have not lost sight of this.

And yet, Dromathra motif in game is about 200kish for total motif if you were to buy, and it costs 6k crowns. So therefore at the price of a manor it should only be about 500k not 3.7m

A lot fewer people want that motif.

Leandor wrote: »

10000 crowns. That is 60 euros. 60 euros pay for half of my monthly heating cost. Or a week of food. Or a month of unlimited mobile phone usage.

The players paying this amount of cash for an ingame gadget without any use (the rightfully claimed use like dummy, craft stations, etc. has to be acquired separately!) have a very serious lack of common sense.

Sadly, Z0$ will once again get away with this. People will pay this and more. It's a sad world we live in.

^ 2nd

Tandor wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

I can't believe the number of players who think a decent-sized house should be as cheap or even cheaper than a mount or motif. I look forward to them accepting my reasonable offer for their real-life house, which I intend to fund by selling my car.

I cant believe anyone would think a digital item that you dont have actual ownership of, and must forfeit once the servers are shut down, should be worth more than the game itself.

That's comparing it just to the box price, but that's only one element of the game cost which also includes either several years to date of monthly subscriptions, or a number of cash shop purchases, or both. For most players who have been around for a while, the house cost is relatively incidental to their overall expenditure on the game to date and represents a one-off purchase that will serve them well throughout their future time on the game.

That's a great point. Awhile ago I added up how much I've spent on this game since launch. Now it's something like my /played time... something I'll never add up again. If you compare these prices to what I've spent in this game in (almost) 3 years... $80 ($60 for me as Canadian and I buy on sale) is a drop in the bucket.

This isn't a massive huge cost compared to the time you'll get out of it. If you won't get the time out of it, then maybe housing isn't for you and small homes would do just fine. These prices are right in line with what I figured/hoped and I'll have no issues paying them. As a guild leader I plan on purchasing a home (whatever we decide, probably a manor) to use as a guild hall with crowns, so that instead of donating gold to buying one, the guild can use that gold towards furnishing it together. My personal home? I plan on buying a medium sized house with in game gold, and later on during a crown sale.. furnished Mathiisen (I love the furnishings, and that's a lot more style stones than I'll ever own). My purchases will fall in line with the grind necessary to furnish anything (hence starting with a small or medium home), and fall in line with crown sales (I'll wait to buy the furnished home until a sale) - and I think everyone can do that. Save up, wait, get a smaller home now, whatever.

There's a good range of options from very affordable to expensive.. in both gold and crowns. Make due with what you have and you can always get another bigger home later. Oh yeah, and of course they wanted manors to seem more attainable via crowns... it's the name of the game called business. The smaller homes though (at least to me) seem to make much more sense to buy via gold.

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

10k for an unfurnished manor if anything is lower than I expected. There will be thousands of count/countesses walking around on patch day. I know people that dropped way more than 30k crowns on crown crates.

It still bugs me that they are selling titles for Crowns. I have to assume that anyone sporting this title has purchased it with real money, not gold. It is not an in-game achievement, but more of a skill using a credit card achievement.

lordrichter wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

10k for an unfurnished manor if anything is lower than I expected. There will be thousands of count/countesses walking around on patch day. I know people that dropped way more than 30k crowns on crown crates.

It still bugs me that they are selling titles for Crowns. I have to assume that anyone sporting this title has purchased it with real money, not gold. It is not an in-game achievement, but more of a skill using a credit card achievement.

Yeah, which is why I will now never wear a title I was previously rather looking forward to having bought with the gold I have acquired by actualy playing this damn game!

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

@NewBlacksmurf when I wrote balance I actually deleted it as it wasn't really saying what I wanted, but then put it back as I couldn't think of a better word.

Generally game balance or gold/crowns balance it doesn't matter no, there is no balance per say. I mean more erm... ugh I don't know, keeping a somewhat consistent ratio of crown to challenge to gain in game? If that makes any sense.

Sorry I am crashing (coffee is wearing off) so can't think how to say what I want.

@Turelus

O K so if it's O K let's go with the phrase "close ratios"

Meaning that the price of a home in crowns seeks to establish close ratios based on the ability to earn in game gold and amounts currently moving in the economy vs the amount of crowns a customer has and the probability of them buying/spending crowns over working on gold.


If this.....my opinion is that crowns should not be in close ratio evaluations for gold.

I feel that each should stay completely seperate unless the crown item provides an in game advantage other than cosmetics.

Examples:
Bag space, mount upgrades, exp Scrolls should be on the higher scales while things like motif, mounts and costumes should be on a much lower scale not relative to current prices but an overall display in crowns


Thoughts?

I agree with most of that, scrolls, style parlor items and such. On the motif and mount front not so much. Exclusive motifs yes, but in game motifs should in fact be higher. I would say the same with mounts because they are still purely cosmetic. If they lowered the in game motif prices you could possibly upset the economy, as motif sales are one of the better selling items.

For example the 6000 crown dromathra motif. Everyone seems overly upset, when we look at previous in game motifs that were offered on the cs. Let's say glass, 5000 crowns, had that been any less the people who in fact farmed all the pages, paid 10k gold to resin them into a motif page, and how many recieved duplicate pages, how would they feel if say the motif was sold for 1000 crowns? Now we look at the dromathra motif 6000 crowns but also comes with mimic stones, all in all its not too far off from previous motifs offered that are available in game.

I personally think ZOS is searching for that ceiling of how much we as a playerbase will spend. I think the pricing on housing is probably based on research that we have no no knowledge of. Gold sink for gold horders and crown sink for people like myself that really don't spend my crowns very often. My one complaint with the cs with pricing is a lack of consistency., but there again they may still be searching for that balance of what we will pay for what they offer.

Please continue as I enjoy actually having a contructive conversation, they are too far in between on the forums anymore.

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Panth141 wrote: »

Though I don't particularly like the pricing, I'm not surprised by it and I expected it to be a little higher given recent pricings - though we will wait and see what tags they put on furnished homes.

If you fast-forward ahead to next month and look at the last 3 quarterly updates (SoTH, 1T, Homestead), only one of them has been a paid update - SoTH - and that was only 1,500 Crowns (IIRC) - so I can to some degree see why ZoS have had to recoup the 'lost' paid DLC money by pushing high-ticket items and now costly housing.

I've got about 7,000 crowns saved up from a discounted crown pack a while ago and my ESO+. I'll sit on it and wait until plus gives me enough for my home of choice (Strident Springs!) as I have no interest in dumping crowns into fluff - if I'm going to pay for something then I want it to be something that has taken work to produce - not just a reskin of pre-created assets.

Houses aren't reskins of pre-existing assets. They are actual pre-existing assets. No reskinning needed!

Dang, seems even lazier than Bioware and that's pretty bad ha.

I think the prices are fair.

MornaBaine wrote: »

Just when I think this company can't possibly disappoint me anymore. 5,500 crowns sell for $40.00. That makes the manors, unfurnished mind you, in the realm of $80.00! That's well more than the cost of the game itself! Which, when you consider that they have near zero actual functionality and the grind and cost of furnishings as well as the laughably low player caps these houses are an incredibly bad investment. In either crowns OR gold.

I'm not disappointed since the gold prices are more than fair. But another thing to consider when looking at the crown prices is that these homes didn't cost anything to develop. They are just copy and pasted pre-existing assets. The development costs went into designing the decorator UI and the property boundaries. That' it. When I assess the value of a good or service, I look at how much the good or service cost to produce.

Tavore1138 wrote: »

Seriously why bother playing if the crown prices just mock people who bother playing the game?

I can spend a few months playing or I can spend a single nights beer money... ffs...

So what else should I spend my excess crowns on, hasn't been anything in the cs I've just had to have. I guss because I sub I don't play the game right? Very short sighted statement.

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Tavore1138 wrote: »

Seriously why bother playing if the crown prices just mock people who bother playing the game?

I can spend a few months playing or I can spend a single nights beer money... ffs...

So what else should I spend my excess crowns on, hasn't been anything in the cs I've just had to have. I guss because I sub I don't play the game right? Very short sighted statement.

I both sub and buy quite a lot of crowns - for example I think I have every mount barring some of the crate ones.

I don't begrudge you spending your crowns either I just wish they had pitched the top tier higher so at least when you see someone running around with the title you know that they either played a lot of ESO or have just dropped a significant contribution to the next DLC.

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Tavore1138 wrote: »

PurifedBladez wrote: »

starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »

The smartest way to do housing seems to be, buy the house with gold, craft most of your furniture, and buy select, hard to get items with crowns. Of course you will be investing time, 3 - 4 months maybe, to get all your furniture through crafting.

And then when it's all done it's an empty hollow shell just like the rest of the buildings in eso.

Says it all - they don't want people playing the game they want us to spend crowns and skip any kind of actual play experience, pitching the crown stuff just high enough to suck in minimum cash - effing scumbags... morals are for others...

As hard as this may be to hear some people will enjoy playing the game and part of that will be decorating their homes.

I hope to also enjoy playing it (although I just found on the PTS that I can't furnish my house with achievement thrones for dining chairs which sucks) but that does not stop me thinking that they have made a mistake here... the two positions are not mutually exclusive you know.

Stopnaggin wrote: »

BuddyAces wrote: »

I personally think the prices are way to high for an unfurnished home in a game! I could literally go out and buy some cool things for my real home for that price. I am not really understanding people's reasons for thinking these prices are ok. I bought crowns on sale so I have loads of them.. good for you! It should be expensive so not everyone is running around with the title for owning all 3 manors.. Um it's just a title in a game that pretty much doesn't tell anyone anything other then you are a rich professional farmer.. If you don't like the prices don't buy it.. That's so not the point!! Come on people quit trying to justify these prices!

You just made every argument for those people. I don't need to justify anything, its either a value or its not. I sub and buy crowns on sale, so I guess because you don't like the price I shouldn't spend my money how I see fit. I have a 15 USD a month hobby, and because you don't like the price I should abstain from buying a manor. Please do tell me what I should spend my crowns on? I eagerly await your answer.

You can always buy more crowns and buy every single house in the game best answer?

why to high

Stopnaggin wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

10k for an unfurnished manor if anything is lower than I expected. There will be thousands of count/countesses walking around on patch day. I know people that dropped way more than 30k crowns on crown crates.

It still bugs me that they are selling titles for Crowns. I have to assume that anyone sporting this title has purchased it with real money, not gold. It is not an in-game achievement, but more of a skill using a credit card achievement.

Lol how is buying a house a skill? And honestly I really don't think most people will give a damn about your opinion over them. Any achievements or titles I have or will gain are not to impress you or anyone else. I don't run with any titles anyway.

The point is the title achievement is for sale. I am happy that you don't use titles.