Surgee wrote: »

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

If there was storage... reasonable.

But its just fluff.

Either you pay for instant gratification or you go out and farm and sell and work your way towards it.

Wait what? You can't put any items in your home? Like in chests etc? WTF!!! I ain't getting a home if that's the truth. Totally useless.

@Surgee
Someone replied above but no you can't store anything or use a mannequin, container, etc.

Also there are player caps for each size so the manor holds up to 24 ppl at one time and It goes down from there by house size

MornaBaine wrote: »

Just when I think this company can't possibly disappoint me anymore. 5,500 crowns sell for $40.00. That makes the manors, unfurnished mind you, in the realm of $80.00! That's well more than the cost of the game itself! Which, when you consider that they have near zero actual functionality and the grind and cost of furnishings as well as the laughably low player caps these houses are an incredibly bad investment. In either crowns OR gold.

• Price of the game has no relevance to price of microtransactions. Check every f2p game ever.
• Current price for crowns is the maximum possible price, not the real value. Crowns are often on sale and a lot of people have huge amount of crowns saved from sub.
• They do have zero functionality. Not like Mona Lisa has one right.
• Bad investment depends solely on point of view of buyer.
• Dont know about you, but I would definitely value 3M gold for far more than mere 10k crowns. It definitely takes more time than earn 50USD.

At that high of a real money price, I want storage in the home.

BlackSparrow wrote: »

Yep, this falls pretty much exactly where I expected it to fall. This pricing scheme makes it so the small-medium houses straddle the same line of "reasonable/doable" as their in-game prices while the bigger ones climb up to more of a case of "only if you REALLY want it."

Honestly, I was bracing for much worse, like 15k and higher (though I'm sure the furnished manors will hit that).

For people who think it should be less because 10k Crowns is a LOT of real money... yep. That's the point. Not everyone is supposed to be able to attain the most desirable houses... not without putting either a lot of time or real-life money into the game. The devs want you to earn those big fancy houses and their titles, one way or another. That's the point.

If you're fussed about paying that much for a "cosmetic" system... then don't. Housing clearly isn't meant for you. Get your free apartment to tinker around in, or even throw some gold at a small house, and spend an hour on it until you get bored, then go back to whatever you prefer to spend your time on in-game. There is no reason you need to get a large house or manor if you don't think you'll get the gameplay out of it to justify the cost.

Personally? I'm a solo roleplayer and a cosmetics nut. I'm willing to spend 10k Crowns on a big, fancy house (once my sub re-ups and gives my account a Crown injection, anyway), because I know I'll get the gameplay out of it. I know I will be spending hours crafting furniture and arranging it to perfection. I know I will take joy in finding furnishing recipes and filling up my houses, making them feel more and more lived in as the months pass. I know I will adore having each of my characters decorate their individual houses to their individual tastes. I am going to get a lot of gameplay out of this system, so I don't mind paying 10k to get the manor that perfectly fits the personalities of two of my characters.

If you don't foresee hours of new gameplay in your future under this system, don't get the biggest house. It's really that simple.

@BlackSparrow

I have to challenge your comment...sorry
Using your logic, should not purple motif be higher and shouldn't cosmetic items also be changed?

Surely you're not suggesting that anything worth doing should always exceed the cost of the game or double the cost?

lordrichter wrote: »

sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Just when I think this company can't possibly disappoint me anymore. 5,500 crowns sell for $40.00. That makes the manors, unfurnished mind you, in the realm of $80.00! That's well more than the cost of the game itself! Which, when you consider that they have near zero actual functionality and the grind and cost of furnishings as well as the laughably low player caps these houses are an incredibly bad investment. In either crowns OR gold.

• Price of the game has no relevance to price of microtransactions. Check every f2p game ever.
• Current price for crowns is the maximum possible price, not the real value. Crowns are often on sale and a lot of people have huge amount of crowns saved from sub.
• They do have zero functionality. Not like Mona Lisa has one right.
• Bad investment depends solely on point of view of buyer.
• Dont know about you, but I would definitely value 3M gold for far more than mere 10k crowns. It definitely takes more time than earn 50USD.

I dunno, you can use Mona Lisa to cover a hole in the wall...

The last statement is why I was curious where they would fall on Crown prices. They want them high enough to generate Crown purchases, but not so high that gold looks more attractive. Average gold must be a lot different than I figured given how high the Crown cost is.

Actually to me its about the options...

for those wanting small to mini housing - lone player looking at functions now and later not planning to spend tons of time in "Elder Decorating Online" - their route in will be thru the extremely cheap in-game gold prices or even the free room.

For those on the opposite end of these - ones really into the oh wow factor over function - the crowns make the higher end homes more viable than the in-game gold does.

For groups and guilds wanting bigger - maybe for their own dueling arenas or trail dummy practice fields - shared in-game gold also likely but crowns a maybe.

based on my usual in-game financials - the break point between "gold is the way" and "crowns is the way" is at large house - smaller than that is definitely gold buy level, bigger than that is definitely at crown buy level and larges themselves are at a maybe either depending on how many decent monster helms have come thru the golden recently.

stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

If there was storage... reasonable.

But its just fluff.

Either you pay for instant gratification or you go out and farm and sell and work your way towards it.

good god man...this is what i have to do in the real world...i don't want to play a game only to have to do the same sh** over again

Especially pixels that won't last forever, at the rate ZoS is going i'm surprised it will last another year take Swtor for example, no new content for 2 years just CM updates.

To high? Then buy it with gold.

The "cather me zos" crowd... smdh

Imo, manor prices are way too low in comparison to their in-game gold they prices.
I expected manors to be a reward for long-term commitment to the game, the height of a character's long adventuring career, etc...
10k crowns is only 40€ (if you bought discounted crowns) or 7 months of eso plus subscription. Considering the insane numbers of players who already bought mounts at 5k crowns, there will be LOTS of ppl buying manors from crown store.
Rather than spending most of the gold I accumulated during 2 years of playing, I'll probably buy my manor from crown store too (as ZOS intended), but it cheats me out of a moment of satisfaction and gratification I've been looking forward to ever since housing was announced

naatokb14_ESO wrote: »

This is precisely why Western Civilization, and the entire world of human endeavor, really, is the absolute disgrace it has become!

"...and the award for most hyperbolic statement of the year goes to..."

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

BlackSparrow wrote: »

Yep, this falls pretty much exactly where I expected it to fall. This pricing scheme makes it so the small-medium houses straddle the same line of "reasonable/doable" as their in-game prices while the bigger ones climb up to more of a case of "only if you REALLY want it."

Honestly, I was bracing for much worse, like 15k and higher (though I'm sure the furnished manors will hit that).

For people who think it should be less because 10k Crowns is a LOT of real money... yep. That's the point. Not everyone is supposed to be able to attain the most desirable houses... not without putting either a lot of time or real-life money into the game. The devs want you to earn those big fancy houses and their titles, one way or another. That's the point.

If you're fussed about paying that much for a "cosmetic" system... then don't. Housing clearly isn't meant for you. Get your free apartment to tinker around in, or even throw some gold at a small house, and spend an hour on it until you get bored, then go back to whatever you prefer to spend your time on in-game. There is no reason you need to get a large house or manor if you don't think you'll get the gameplay out of it to justify the cost.

Personally? I'm a solo roleplayer and a cosmetics nut. I'm willing to spend 10k Crowns on a big, fancy house (once my sub re-ups and gives my account a Crown injection, anyway), because I know I'll get the gameplay out of it. I know I will be spending hours crafting furniture and arranging it to perfection. I know I will take joy in finding furnishing recipes and filling up my houses, making them feel more and more lived in as the months pass. I know I will adore having each of my characters decorate their individual houses to their individual tastes. I am going to get a lot of gameplay out of this system, so I don't mind paying 10k to get the manor that perfectly fits the personalities of two of my characters.

If you don't foresee hours of new gameplay in your future under this system, don't get the biggest house. It's really that simple.

@BlackSparrow

I have to challenge your comment...sorry
Using your logic, should not purple motif be higher and shouldn't cosmetic items also be changed?

Surely you're not suggesting that anything worth doing should always exceed the cost of the game or double the cost?

You're saying you don't already think there are a lot of over-priced cosmetic items?

As far as I'm concerned, Housing isn't comparable to most other cosmetic items, because it has so many bells and whistles attached. When you get a house, you aren't just opting into a cosmetic item, you're opting into an entire gameplay system.

I think of it as like the Justice System... it's now a system that will be there, and you can use it or not, but there will now be a sub-set of players who will spend WAY more time in this system than most others (Myself included... I make rounds on my thief every day ). Like the Justice System, most players will likely play around with the Housing System a little bit, then figure out it's not for them and move onto other things. But the players who do get into Housing will get hours and hours of gameplay out of it.

You may find the price of the best house outlandish, and that's perfectly okay. You don't see that much value in housing to justify that spend. You're not looking at it and seeing hours of gameplay, like I am. And that's fine. Everyone plays in their own way, and I wouldn't want people who will not have fun with housing to waste that much money on a big fancy house that they'll never play in. (Because yeah, 10k really is REALLY high XD )

But here's the thing: you don't HAVE to get the manors to use this system. A lot of small houses are perfectly comfortable, and they are very much affordable, both in-game and out. You basically pay either an obtainable amount of in-game gold, or purchase it for Crowns for the price of a DLC. That's reasonable. It's when you start looking at the bigger houses where you need to start figuring out if the spend is worth it... and again, that's the point.

It's like the Dro-m'athra mount. It was a highly desireable item because, cosmetically, it was cool, so it was the most expensive mount available in the store at the time. If people just wanted a mount, they could get a guar for, what 800 Crowns? But no, Dro-m'athra was cool, so many people (though not all) found value in spending 4,500 Crowns on that.

This is like that. You can spend 1,000 Crowns on a little guar apartment, or you can get the Dro-m'athra manor for ten times that. Obviously, the manor comes with higher limits and more space... but if you're not going to use it that much, you might as well keep your little guar-apartment for now. That is enough to opt you into the Housing System for now... what you do down the road depends on how much value you get into it.

Personally? I sub. So I'm spending $150 on this game every year anyway. For me, this game isn't the price of the box... it's... oh... about $500 now, since I've subbed since launch? That is a lot of money to throw into a game, yes... but I deem it worth it, because I get the gameplay I want out of it. I view the Housing system as something to append to that, and spending $100 worth of Crowns that I'll be putting into the game anyway? I consider that worth it, because I anticipate it will give me more gameplay I enjoy.

If you don't think a manor is worth that much, that's fine. In that case, aim for a smaller house. In citing that "10k" number, it's easy to forget the fact that 10k is only for the BIG houses. The rest are doable, and medium down are reasonably doable in-game. The point of the big houses is to be cost-prohibitive except for those who really want them, lest no one ever get the small houses at all.

Hope that made sense, and feel free to "challenge" me again. Like I said, everyone plays their own way, so there's nothing wrong with disagreeing on this.

Astanphaeus wrote: »

Wouldn't be a good gold sink if everyone could just buy it cheaply with crowns.

These irl prices is why Swtor CM failed, and CM = Crown shop, so yeah.

Ufretin wrote: »

Imo, manor prices are way too low in comparison to their in-game gold they prices.
I expected manors to be a reward for long-term commitment to the game, the height of a character's long adventuring career, etc...
10k crowns is only 40€ (if you bought discounted crowns) or 7 months of eso plus subscription. Considering the insane numbers of players who already bought mounts at 5k crowns, there will be LOTS of ppl buying manors from crown store.
Rather than spending most of the gold I accumulated during 2 years of playing, I'll probably buy my manor from crown store too (as ZOS intended), but it cheats me out of a moment of satisfaction and gratification I've been looking forward to ever since housing was announced

I agree with this - I've been farming. selling and trading since they hinted at this content but now it all seems like a bit of a waste of time... there is no logic to it but I feel they have pre-emptively devalued the time spent playing when the costs are so low and thus the cost in crowns feels so much less than the cost in played time of gaining the gold to buy the same thing.

As my wife put it this makes it seem like the cost of the top houses in the game is too high and suddenly makes what seemed like an interesting and well designed game system look like an in game barrier to push you towards the crown store.

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

I can't believe the number of players who think a decent-sized house should be as cheap or even cheaper than a mount or motif. I look forward to them accepting my reasonable offer for their real-life house, which I intend to fund by selling my car.

I cant believe anyone would think a digital item that you dont have actual ownership of, and must forfeit once the servers are shut down, should be worth more than the game itself.

That's comparing it just to the box price, but that's only one element of the game cost which also includes either several years to date of monthly subscriptions, or a number of cash shop purchases, or both. For most players who have been around for a while, the house cost is relatively incidental to their overall expenditure on the game to date and represents a one-off purchase that will serve them well throughout their future time on the game.

Chrysa1is wrote: »

Pay to win.

Can you elaborate on what you are winning?

Ufretin wrote: »

10k crowns is only 40€ (if you bought discounted crowns) or 7 months of eso plus subscription. Considering the insane numbers of players who already bought mounts at 5k crowns, there will be LOTS of ppl buying manors from crown store.

I expect so. The one thing about houses is that, unlike costumes and mounts, no one really knows you own it. There is no sign out front saying "@lordrichter owns this house". I have to brag it up, which just adds to the cost of the house.

I am sure there were people who bought the Elk mount just because they wanted to be seen with it in the game. Granted, not everyone, but a huge purpose for these items is so that people know you have it. Houses are a big vanity item that only a few people know about. I guess if the right people know about it, then it matters.

Tavore1138 wrote: »

As my wife put it this makes it seem like the cost of the top houses in the game is too high and suddenly makes what seemed like an interesting and well designed game system look like an in game barrier to push you towards the crown store.

Yes. They are not selling Homestead as a paid DLC. Instead, they are selling the houses themselves. They need to make it so that the Crown Store prices seem reasonable against millions in gold. The purpose of the cash shop in a free to play game is to generate revenue, and they have not lost sight of this.

corrosivechains wrote: »

nothing in the crown store should cost more than DLC's/Expansions. There is no justifying it, even if they are "earnable" in game with gold

Actually I believe the that things that are available in game should be higher in the crown store. A lazy tax if you will. 10k crowns, steep, maybe, but not near as bad as all the doom and gloom clubs were predicting. As far as dlc pricing the lower the better to keep people in the game. Also remember that value is very subjective, some people have a disposable income and are willing to pay that lazy tax.

Compared to all the speculation 10k crowns isn't near as bad as I thought. Happily I can get one with either gold or crowns so I would probably choose crowns, since there isn't anything in the cs I want to buy at the moment.