ZOS deserves some love !

Unsent.Soul · January 2017

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

You're comparing ESO to Destiny and concluding that ZOS is doing good.
Destiny is a known problem but at least their game works and doesn't have a lot of known bugs lasting for over 6 months

Destiny also while it has issues, doesn't release expansions/DLC that add new bugs without addressing old ones

Disagree on this comparison, what other games have you experienced to offer comparison?

To be fair, every Elder Scrolls game is buggy. Every single one of them. It's an open world RPG, it's just too hard to keep all the bugs out.

So that just makes things okay?

Mojmir · January 2017

Lol hell no

alephthiago · January 2017

>Leaves craglorn stuck in cp 140 for months forcing people to buy DLCs to farm resources(Hews bane, Wrothgar, GC).
>Leaves traits in the terrible state of mostly one being desired for weapons.

>Wants to be praised for their good work.

Doctordarkspawn · January 2017

KimoBitz wrote: »

Yes,just as you read.ZOS deserves respect and support.

All my time on the forums I read threads about people complaining about the crown store and its prices,about the crown crates and it's rip-off RNG.

Well tell you what, you should be grateful.As a player who used to play destiny and put countless hours into this game. I found out that its devs are more greedy then any other game developers out there,they drop their latest DLC and the only way to be able to play the game as its meant to be to be played is by purchasing this new content.However ZOS does not do that,they do not force you to buy thier content.Its totally up to you wether to spend your hard-earned money or not.

(I quit Destiny because of this)

No.

One Tamriel's balance is bad, the content feels like a chore ever since the health and resistance increase, and I've played on the PTS, it wont get better. It continues to not even come close to fixing the problems players have with the system, instead adding things like Frost staff tanking, a idea that was poorly thought through.

The monitary decisions they've made are insane, with crown crates not even factoring into it. 6000 crowns for Dro'mathra, a motif so high in supply and low in demand it's hilarious? Housing with houses like going to cost upwards of 3000 crowns, and clearly pushing back actuall content for that? There's much they could sell, so many things that they could reasonably price, but they dont.

And that's to say nothing of the fact it still boots me to login as frequently as it did a year ago, with no warning, reason, or rime, and that this is the only MMO that does this. Need I mention the performance? Need I mention the single digit FPS I get on trials when I didn't have this issue back in the day? This game still has a CPU bottleneck.

I dont care whether or not you think they need more praise. I will not pretend the massive, massive, ever reach, ever pervasive faults do not exist in this game. If you truely feel it's worth leaving because of negative feedback, of which we have many reasons to give, then go. For you will never be happy with anything less than isolation.

This game needs work. I have stopped supporting it in any way I can, playing the content, teaching new players, paying for it, until it gets fixed. And I wont stop.

Doctordarkspawn · January 2017

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

I respect the men and women of ZOS. Even though they forsake me in favor of players like Sypher and Jules for example. ESO is a good game.

All the forum posts about ZOS wanting ESO to fail or that ZOS doesn't listen to its playerbase are complete and total BS, and quite frankly can be filed under "fake news".

See: The PTS thread about frost staff tanking and how little has been changed with it since the original PTS debue, despite the feedback being mostly negative with either the "I didn't ask for this I hate this change" and "This is too half baked and needs fleshing out" positions.

See also: The Velocious curse changes, which were changed after much community outcry to have alterations made for a PVP rotation, to keep it's effectiveness.

It's only fake if you've decided it is before even seeing it. ZOS has a tendancy to prioritize the biggest outcry instead of fixing -all- the problems. I've seen other games sate multiple audiences and player types in one fell swoop, ZOS does not do this.

If it's not the biggest flak their geting, or isn't a bug that was caused by a recent patch, it will not be fixed. This is the ZOS way. This is consistant throughout the year I have been playing and is a reasonibly predictable.

Try it yourself come next PTS session.

Rouven · January 2017

CONNECTED GAMERS, IMMERSION, WORLD-CLASS STORYTELLING

By designing and creating leading-edge technology and game systems, we connect gamers with immersive virtual worlds and each other.

That is their vision, that is what I applaud them for. That is what I like to see them strive for and improve upon.

Storytelling and immersion for me would be for example quests, so instead of the only option being to buy a horse (either in-game or in the store) I would love to see an option to quest for one.

pattyLtd · January 2017

This is very sweet of you OP but its really not necessary if anything they should respect themselves more.

Its gotten to the point that im almost surprised that the game didnt crash in cyrodiil and instead of fixing that it happens in pve too now LOL, maybe im just unlucky. * shrugs*

FleetwoodSmack · January 2017

Rouven wrote: »

CONNECTED GAMERS, IMMERSION, WORLD-CLASS STORYTELLING

By designing and creating leading-edge technology and game systems, we connect gamers with immersive virtual worlds and each other.

That is their vision, that is what I applaud them for. That is what I like to see them strive for and improve upon.

Storytelling and immersion for me would be for example quests, so instead of the only option being to buy a horse (either in-game or in the store) I would love to see an option to quest for one.

That bolded part, especially about that bit of 'leading-edge' tech? Not so much. Why? Have you -seen- the state of the game? Where's this leading-edge technology you speak of? Housing? Don't get me wrong, I love how snappy the system is... But in regards to the slew of other things that's going wrong; leading-edge is probably the wrong thing you should be praising them for.

Rouven · January 2017

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Rouven wrote: »

CONNECTED GAMERS, IMMERSION, WORLD-CLASS STORYTELLING

By designing and creating leading-edge technology and game systems, we connect gamers with immersive virtual worlds and each other.

That is their vision, that is what I applaud them for. That is what I like to see them strive for and improve upon.

Storytelling and immersion for me would be for example quests, so instead of the only option being to buy a horse (either in-game or in the store) I would love to see an option to quest for one.

That bolded part, especially about that bit of 'leading-edge' tech? Not so much. Why? Have you -seen- the state of the game? Where's this leading-edge technology you speak of? Housing? Don't get me wrong, I love how snappy the system is... But in regards to the slew of other things that's going wrong; leading-edge is probably the wrong thing you should be praising them for.

Well, I did not make up their vision, the bolded part is copied from their website.

FleetwoodSmack · January 2017

Rouven wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Rouven wrote: »

CONNECTED GAMERS, IMMERSION, WORLD-CLASS STORYTELLING

By designing and creating leading-edge technology and game systems, we connect gamers with immersive virtual worlds and each other.

That is their vision, that is what I applaud them for. That is what I like to see them strive for and improve upon.

Storytelling and immersion for me would be for example quests, so instead of the only option being to buy a horse (either in-game or in the store) I would love to see an option to quest for one.

That bolded part, especially about that bit of 'leading-edge' tech? Not so much. Why? Have you -seen- the state of the game? Where's this leading-edge technology you speak of? Housing? Don't get me wrong, I love how snappy the system is... But in regards to the slew of other things that's going wrong; leading-edge is probably the wrong thing you should be praising them for.

Well, I did not make up their vision, the bolded part is copied from their website.

I'm not saying you made it up. What I said is that it's not so much a vision to applaud when they're doing the complete opposite of that. Without proper dialogue with us on what's actually going wrong (IE; actually responding to feedback instead of Gina or Jessica doing their jobs for them) they don't have any clue of what their vision actually is anymore. They insist that this isn't like any other MMO, and with the amount of problems I can most certainly say THAT part of their vision they made true on. That alone should tell you something. I mean the incremental patch that broke CC and constant crashes on the PTS? That's laughable. How did that even pass through internal testing?

Edit: We've both been here long enough that that vision is them saying one thing and another thing is happening instead. That PTS thing is a very small, minuscule happening compared to the bucket of issues that perplexes not just us as customers, but the integrity of that vision. If people want to praise that while ignoring the glaring issues in the game, then that's why things don't get fixed and pushed down to a low priority. The ONLY praise I can give them is the hotfixes of gamebreaking issues like the incident with MoL (at least to my knowledge). But I can pretty much say, if there wasn't such a big fuss about it; they'd have waited until Homestead to fix it.

Rohamad_Ali · January 2017

Is it that time again ? Ok ZoS I

you . There , all better .

hmsdragonfly · January 2017

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

You're comparing ESO to Destiny and concluding that ZOS is doing good.
Destiny is a known problem but at least their game works and doesn't have a lot of known bugs lasting for over 6 months

Destiny also while it has issues, doesn't release expansions/DLC that add new bugs without addressing old ones

Disagree on this comparison, what other games have you experienced to offer comparison?

To be fair, every Elder Scrolls game is buggy. Every single one of them. It's an open world RPG, it's just too hard to keep all the bugs out.

It doesn't excuse some of these bugs; some that were so simple to get rid of AGES ago. Yet they pile on patch after patch claiming to 'fix' the problem and making it worse. I remember a time in Cyrodiil where it wasn't a slideshow. I remember a time when trials didn't throw the RNG lag (are you going to crash or are you going to die; decisions). I remember a time when the developers put the pro in professional (I miss you Paul Sage, you'll always be better than Wrobel ).

As for Bethesda games; the only thing I'll say in that regard is that it shouldn't matter. This isn't Bethesda and if you're depending on the modding community to fix your egregious bugs that are absolutely gamebreaking (NavMesh, Alchemy/Enchanting, numerous save game bloats/corruption, memory limits), then you have a problem. Likewise with ZoS; We send them the feedback reports. We send them screenshots, videos, forum posts, links from all around the web, and even show them on stream. Problems, including bugs still exist. Bots still exist. Lag still exists. When your game depends on some of these things to NOT exist, that's not a bug. That's a liability.

Edit: I'm also aware that bots aren't bugs, but it's still none the less a problem. It's not bugs that are solely the problem. It's the negligence of the community and having to tag Gina or Jessica to get anything heard. If anyone in this company deserves a raise, praise, or anything of that sort? IT'S THEM. Not ZoS.

As I have said many times, I don't say "ZOS doesn't have to fix this fix that blah blah", it's their job to fix the bugs, what i am trying to say is that it is well-known that open world games of this size are always buggy, look at Morrowind, look at Oblivion, look at Skyrim, there are bugs that cannot be fixed in anyway, it's just impossible to fix without breaking more things.

Yes the teams are different, Morrowind team is different from Skyrim team but guess what, all of them are buggy. It doesn't matter which team makes the game, as an Elder Scrolls massive open world RPG with a lot of quests, a lot of things to do, codes are extremely complicated to the point that bugs aren't avoidable. If they streamline the game, like fewer quests, quests without outcome, fewer things to do, cut a lot of content from the game, then yeah it will be easier to prevent bugs from happening.

If you (or someone else) are talented enough to fix all the bugs, I bet not just ZOS or Bethesda, but every game developer will pay big money to hunt you down and make you working for them.

Yes, once again, it's their job to fix the bugs, but I understand why it's so hard and time consuming to fix them.

P/S: Do not expect the lag in Cyrodiil to be fixed any time soon. To fix that, they will have to redesign the whole cyrodiil, and as you know, a redesign that big will lead to even more bugs. So yeah. At this point, even adding some costume could lead to a catastrophe, that's why I fully support ZoS not releasing new content but rather improving the base game, like One Tamriel and Housing, because it's a golden opportunity to streamline the codes to make them less buggy in the long run.

hmsdragonfly · January 2017

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

You're comparing ESO to Destiny and concluding that ZOS is doing good.
Destiny is a known problem but at least their game works and doesn't have a lot of known bugs lasting for over 6 months

Destiny also while it has issues, doesn't release expansions/DLC that add new bugs without addressing old ones

Disagree on this comparison, what other games have you experienced to offer comparison?

To be fair, every Elder Scrolls game is buggy. Every single one of them. It's an open world RPG, it's just too hard to keep all the bugs out.

@hmsdragonfly

I think you're trying to relate a ZOS game to a Bethesda game.
The teams are very different but that's not an acceptable reason not to fix a game that's been out almost 3 years who continues to create more issues while not addressing existing issues.

A few bugs are fine but things that flat out don't work most or all of the time isn't a bug

Look, I don't say "ZOS doesn't have to fix this fix that blah blah", it's their job to fix the bugs, what i am trying to say is that it is well-known that open world games of this size are always buggy, look at Morrowind, look at Oblivion, look at Skyrim, there are bugs that cannot be fixed in anyway, it's just impossible to fix without breaking more things.

Yes the teams are different, Morrowind team is different from Skyrim team but guess what, all of them are buggy. It doesn't matter which team makes the game, as an Elder Scrolls massive open world RPG with a lot of quests, a lot of things to do, codes are extremely complicated to the point that bugs aren't avoidable. If they streamline the game, like fewer quests, quests without outcome, fewer things to do, cut a lot of content from the game, then yeah it will be easier to prevent bugs from happening.

If you (or someone else) are talented enough to fix all the bugs, I bet not just ZOS or Bethesda, but every game developer will pay big money to hunt you down and make you working for them.

Yes, once again, it's their job to fix the bugs, but I understand why it's so hard and time consuming to fix them.

@hmsdragonfly

Here is the actual reality tho. The Bethesda team is not and was never the ZOS dev team.

Furthermore:
its not bugs, its literally a lot of things that just don't work
Its literally things that are missing
its literally things that are a result from lack of quality checking
its literally things that come from not even asking the other companies where they publish the game how their ideas would work

Most open world games don't release updates that allow people to fall through the game and can't get back, or where they get stuck on loading screens, use items that say one thing and do another or nothing at all, games that charge real money for a service and but don't provide the full benefits, or areas of the game you pay for but that you can't access for months.

These are exact examples experienced, some which were fixed and others still remain but which all are in patch notes or a dev confirmation on the forums of from their ESO Live shows or Con interviews and official web articles.

A simple question, how much is your experience in coding?

@hmsdragonfly

Simple and more obvious answer, their actual problems aren't due to coding.

Of course problems aren't due to coding, it's simply Obama's fault.

Bobby_V_Rockit · January 2017

No gripes from me

love it, keep up the good work ZoS! As someone who has been playing daily for over a year with my brother we love this game and I honestly have no complaints. I mean sure, the RNG seems a little unfair at times but it IS random so fairness is not a factor.

Lookin forward to all the upcoming changes and see where we go from here.

Riggsy · January 2017

The game shouldve never went B2P, now everything is a perpetual money grab with the focus being on developing fast, cheap content/costumes to sell people whereas with P2P they would've focused on retaining subscribers with actual fixes and improvements while looking to enlarge the base through yearly expansions.

I support ZOS regardless but I second guess a lot of their direction choices.

FleetwoodSmack · January 2017

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

You're comparing ESO to Destiny and concluding that ZOS is doing good.
Destiny is a known problem but at least their game works and doesn't have a lot of known bugs lasting for over 6 months

Destiny also while it has issues, doesn't release expansions/DLC that add new bugs without addressing old ones

Disagree on this comparison, what other games have you experienced to offer comparison?

To be fair, every Elder Scrolls game is buggy. Every single one of them. It's an open world RPG, it's just too hard to keep all the bugs out.

It doesn't excuse some of these bugs; some that were so simple to get rid of AGES ago. Yet they pile on patch after patch claiming to 'fix' the problem and making it worse. I remember a time in Cyrodiil where it wasn't a slideshow. I remember a time when trials didn't throw the RNG lag (are you going to crash or are you going to die; decisions). I remember a time when the developers put the pro in professional (I miss you Paul Sage, you'll always be better than Wrobel ).

As for Bethesda games; the only thing I'll say in that regard is that it shouldn't matter. This isn't Bethesda and if you're depending on the modding community to fix your egregious bugs that are absolutely gamebreaking (NavMesh, Alchemy/Enchanting, numerous save game bloats/corruption, memory limits), then you have a problem. Likewise with ZoS; We send them the feedback reports. We send them screenshots, videos, forum posts, links from all around the web, and even show them on stream. Problems, including bugs still exist. Bots still exist. Lag still exists. When your game depends on some of these things to NOT exist, that's not a bug. That's a liability.

Edit: I'm also aware that bots aren't bugs, but it's still none the less a problem. It's not bugs that are solely the problem. It's the negligence of the community and having to tag Gina or Jessica to get anything heard. If anyone in this company deserves a raise, praise, or anything of that sort? IT'S THEM. Not ZoS.

As I have said many times, I don't say "ZOS doesn't have to fix this fix that blah blah", it's their job to fix the bugs, what i am trying to say is that it is well-known that open world games of this size are always buggy, look at Morrowind, look at Oblivion, look at Skyrim, there are bugs that cannot be fixed in anyway, it's just impossible to fix without breaking more things.

Yes the teams are different, Morrowind team is different from Skyrim team but guess what, all of them are buggy. It doesn't matter which team makes the game, as an Elder Scrolls massive open world RPG with a lot of quests, a lot of things to do, codes are extremely complicated to the point that bugs aren't avoidable. If they streamline the game, like fewer quests, quests without outcome, fewer things to do, cut a lot of content from the game, then yeah it will be easier to prevent bugs from happening.

If you (or someone else) are talented enough to fix all the bugs, I bet not just ZOS or Bethesda, but every game developer will pay big money to hunt you down and make you working for them.

Yes, once again, it's their job to fix the bugs, but I understand why it's so hard and time consuming to fix them.

P/S: Do not expect the lag in Cyrodiil to be fixed any time soon. To fix that, they will have to redesign the whole cyrodiil, and as you know, a redesign that big will lead to even more bugs. So yeah. At this point, even adding some costume could lead to a catastrophe, that's why I fully support ZoS not releasing new content but rather improving the base game, like One Tamriel and Housing, because it's a golden opportunity to streamline the codes to make them less buggy in the long run.

You're implying it based on your statement, which is JUST the same as saying that they shouldn't. Furthermore; They can get rid of the lag in Cyrodiil. We all know what caused it, we know when it happened. It was immediately right after the lighting changes. I didn't say it'd ever get fixed because we don't have all that many professional developers and the layers of incremental patches? It's a joke. I'm not expecting it to get fixed. I'm saying to not praise them for terribad development.

It also doesn't matter what 'teams' are what. ZoS isn't Bethesda and you're confusing the two for each other. Some things are POSSIBLY shared, but they are NOT universal by any means. That's an assumption on your part.

Also I wouldn't touch the game with a 10 foot pole. Any talented developer wouldn't either.

HatchetHaro · January 2017

No they don't, not now.

Marshwigs · January 2017

Zos needs to fix their game and stop thinking we care so much about their concept art...

XBOX is buggy as ever and critically broken at times... FIX IT

itehache · January 2017

Yup.

We can still buy the majority of the houses with in-game gold. As long as they keep adding just cosmetics i'm ok with the crown store.

Cillion3117 · January 2017

Gamers are complainers in general. They love to hate the things they love. It's a strange thing to behold.

jedtb16_ESO · January 2017

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

You're comparing ESO to Destiny and concluding that ZOS is doing good.
Destiny is a known problem but at least their game works and doesn't have a lot of known bugs lasting for over 6 months

Destiny also while it has issues, doesn't release expansions/DLC that add new bugs without addressing old ones

Disagree on this comparison, what other games have you experienced to offer comparison?

To be fair, every Elder Scrolls game is buggy. Every single one of them. It's an open world RPG, it's just too hard to keep all the bugs out.

can i rephrase that comment?

every game is buggy...... every single one of them....

there you go.... that fixed it.

but if you took this forum seriously (please don't try that at home) you could be forgiven for thinking that eso was the only game in the history of the whole universe (including the bits we don't know about) to have bugs.

i agree with the op give zos some love.... it is a great game.

Kayly101 · January 2017

So much loves ZOS!

This is my first MMO and so far everything has been a blast.
From the dialog from the NPCs, the adventures with my mates and to the surprises from time to time

Happy early Heart's Day!

jircris11 · January 2017

Seraphayel wrote: »

I respect ZOS for having made an amazing game. I don't respect them for the way they care, develop and support the game after that, especially since P2P.

If they want to be respected they should deliver content they promised years ago, should listen to the community a bit more and don't overprice the crown store stuff due to greed.

they do listen to the community that is why all these nerfs are being done all the damn time. now if they where to listen to those who are not the pvp crybabies(not all pvpers are) then they could improve the game instead of hinder it. those who have issue with the cash shop are normally those who have not spent a dime into it. bottom line zos has tried listening to the community and more then 1/2 the time they do not know that they want. I would love for crafted sets to be worth a damn again but ppl complained so they made drop gear better. people complained about the price of dropped gear so they made it BoP. see where this is going?

MasterSpatula · January 2017

You can respect someone for what they've accomplished while still holding them accountable for their mistakes, especially their glaring mistakes.

In fact, I would argue if you truly respect someone, you have to hold them accountable.

Elara_Northwind · January 2017

I don't dislike Zenimax, in fact, I thank them for making the game that I love, and if I had never played, would not have met so many amazing people and made so many friends from all over the world, from all walks of life, so for that I am thankful and I love them

I do however feel slightly negatively towards them for a few things, removing the stun from templars blazing spear and breaking the lighting in housing, but not responding to any threads about that and brushing it under the carpet... But I still have enough faith in them to hope that these things will be fixed somehow... Maybe

Cpt_Teemo · January 2017

KimoBitz wrote: »

Yes,just as you read.ZOS deserves respect and support.

All my time on the forums I read threads about people complaining about the crown store and its prices,about the crown crates and it's rip-off RNG.

Well tell you what, you should be grateful.As a player who used to play destiny and put countless hours into this game. I found out that its devs are more greedy then any other game developers out there,they drop their latest DLC and the only way to be able to play the game as its meant to be to be played is by purchasing this new content.However ZOS does not do that,they do not force you to buy thier content.Its totally up to you wether to spend your hard-earned money or not.

(I quit Destiny because of this)

Strike that out, all they care about is the cash shop as did Swtor and we all know where Swtors heading right now, so hopefully ZoS changes that before its to late.

LrdRahvin · January 2017

No...just no.

Negative.

Nope.

Never.

NOOOOOOOOOooooooooOOOOOOOOOOO!!!111!!!111!!!111!!!

*head explodes*

tinythinker · January 2017

Sorry, thought the title was "ZOS deserves some lore." Carry on.