I don't know how they can fix it but guild trader prices are ridiculous. My guild (which admittedly is a small guild) used to be able to afford a trader (barel) at like 400-500k per bid. Now we're not even close to being in the running for the guild traders. The big guilds have a monopoly on traders now. The big guilds just make sister guild and take over. It's a ridiculous.

And I know this is off topic but it's KIND OF related. Give us the ability to type in a term to search for in traders. Searching for things is such a pain.

If you don't want to spend 6 figures on a Kiosk, then don't bid on the ones in the Main Trading Hubs. Bid on the ones out in the world or in the smaller cities. You can get those for much less.

However I think we need to allow the two top bidders to win each kiosk they bid on.

Nestor wrote: »

However I think we need to allow the two top bidders to win each kiosk they bid on.

Indeed this at the very least would allow two Guilds per trader, and hopefully cut back on the number of Trading guilds and give more people the opportunity to create communities around the game not the traders.

Treaborne wrote: »

Infinite12 wrote: »

And I know this is off topic but it's KIND OF related. Give us the ability to type in a term to search for in traders. Searching for things is such a pain.

I absolutely agree to having a method to find where something is and at which trader too would be nice.

Or they could increase the number of Trader stalls with a fixed pricing scheme as follows:
50-100 members = 600k per week
101-200 members = 900k per week
201-300 members = 1.5million per week
301-400 members = 2.3million per week
400+ members = 4.1million per week

Also make it so you can view every Trader from any Trader in that zone, this would reduce having to check every npc for what you want in each zone, and would make the market a little more competitive.

Are you nuts? My guild would never be able to afford 900k a week on a trader, and we would not kick our inactives because of that.

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Global Auction House server wide, fixed.

terrible suggestion IMO..see other thread for details of why

AlnilamE wrote: »

Are you nuts? My guild would never be able to afford 900k a week on a trader, and we would not kick our inactives because of that.

Actually that is the entire point of Managing a guild you need to clean out the roster at least every 14days to 30days.

Firstly this can be done is setting anyone that is inactive 14day or longer into an inactive limited rank that has no access to the extra benefits of active members.

Secondly anyone in that 14day to 30day inactive are still members in some form, but at the 30day mark you need to start kicking the inactive members. There is just no point in having them unless you are a very very very casual guild, and in this case why would you even need a trader?

Third and yes my last point even though there is alot more to say... If everyone is posting at least 2-3 high value items a week, and contributing via buying tickets then hitting that mark will not be an issue. 100 members selling a total of 250k each would more than pay for your weekly bids.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Man this is like the third post on the first two pages about this.....always a new one each week

Yeah all the more reason to keep talking about it so that someone see's we all want some changes to take place in some form or another.

No I disagree. I like the current system and hopefully they will never change it.

The only thing I want changed is the ui for consoles. Add a search box, but it only searches the guild store that you are at. Searching more than 1 store while at 1 stall defeats the purpose of guild traders. Also make it so the ui remembers search options from stall to stall.

The last thing may be asking to much but a basic search function most definitely isn't.

Treaborne wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

Are you nuts? My guild would never be able to afford 900k a week on a trader, and we would not kick our inactives because of that.

Actually that is the entire point of Managing a guild you need to clean out the roster at least every 14days to 30days.

Firstly this can be done is setting anyone that is inactive 14day or longer into an inactive limited rank that has no access to the extra benefits of active members.

Secondly anyone in that 14day to 30day inactive are still members in some form, but at the 30day mark you need to start kicking the inactive members. There is just no point in having them unless you are a very very very casual guild, and in this case why would you even need a trader?

Third and yes my last point even though there is alot more to say... If everyone is posting at least 2-3 high value items a week, and contributing via buying tickets then hitting that mark will not be an issue. 100 members selling a total of 250k each would more than pay for your weekly bids.

You have completely missed my point.

We are a social guild. We don't kick people because life hasn't allowed them to be online for a couple of months. These are not random @names on a roster for us. These are our friends. Many are people who have played on and off since Beta (when the guild was originally formed).

They don't always play, or they are interested in other games. But when they come back, they are still part of our group.

I don't see why you would want to punish guilds like that by pricing them out of the trader market when it's perfectly possible to find traders for 1/10 of that price at the moment. And if everybody only lists high priced items, who is going to list the provisioning mats? Or the small batches of runes? Or the cheap recipes and motifs?

So no. If something like you propose were to happen, we would simply stop getting a trader.

Treaborne wrote: »

so that someone see's we all want some changes to take place in some form or another.

But usually not in the way most of these threads develop, i.e. sinking into some auction house bickering.
A complete UI overhaul, for instance, is really sorely needed. But I don't want to be lumped in with the people demanding a server-wide auction house.

Also, opening more trader spots would lead to exactly one thing: More trading guilds. It would certainly not "cut back" on them.
Trader spots aren't really a problem now. If there's a shortage, it's one of attractive trader spots - i.e. there's a huge difference between traffic at various spots.

Treaborne wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

Are you nuts? My guild would never be able to afford 900k a week on a trader, and we would not kick our inactives because of that.

Actually that is the entire point of Managing a guild you need to clean out the roster at least every 14days to 30days.

Firstly this can be done is setting anyone that is inactive 14day or longer into an inactive limited rank that has no access to the extra benefits of active members.

Secondly anyone in that 14day to 30day inactive are still members in some form, but at the 30day mark you need to start kicking the inactive members. There is just no point in having them unless you are a very very very casual guild, and in this case why would you even need a trader?

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@Treaborne
I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with most of this and your idea of Bids Based on Member Totals is a REALLY bad idea.

First off, as far as kicking ppl and no point of keeping ppl after 14 days, well are you a GM? If so, how many of your guild mates are in the military, have sales jobs that make them travel, are teachers who have seasonal scheduled, members with medical conditions??
Do you know how many letters I have received from guildies who were SO happy to be still in the guild after a long absence?
A Guild is nothing but a GROUP OF PEOPLE with lives and feelings and unique situations. My guild has 400+ and I treat each one like family....

But the Elephant in the room is Guild Traders. The current system is fine. There are lots of Kiosks that go for reasonable prices. Our social guild has a trader every week.
A AH system will just let those Giant Trade Guilds you spoke of use their 10's of millions of gold to control the market and prices instead of just controlling a hand full of the 183 Kiosks available in game, (And more coming with next Chapter).

And to finish, why can't a very, very, casual guild have a trader? Casuals need to make gold too!
Just my 2 Drakes!! Huzzah!

idk wrote: »

There is no monopoly involved.

That's the problem, on console, this is not the case. There IS a monopoly by just a select few large trading guilds, and has been for a very long time now.

Stepping back.

Two things.

One, I suspect part of the design rationale for this system - at least now, if not in the very beginning - is that it establishes a natural gold sink for the ESO economy. Probably the largest one in it, I would guess.

Think of it this way. If a guild can generate 500k-1mil a week to bid on a trader and no longer has to spend that 500k-1mil on a trader...then either you get pockets of stupefying inflation a few months down the road, or a situation where gold prices for regular (NPC store) items no longer matter. Or both.

So I doubt that ZOS - unless they wanted to revamp the system as a whole, which I'd be for with both hands - is losing any sleep over high weekly trader bids.

Two, EVE shows that a fixed price scheme for guild locations can work. Well...actually it's "dynamic-fixed", but fully automated in any case. Meaning, instead of a fixed price for each location, there is an algorithm that adjusts it between billing cycles based on demand, so that whereas an out-of-the-way station will cost you 10k a month, a spot at a major trading hub will go for 200-300 mil (not k, mil) a month or more, and rents at a suddenly-incredibly-popular location basically quadruple monthly. It isn't perfect, of course, and you still end up with the top guilds making so much money that they can easily eat the cost, but that's an easy alternative to the bidding system ESO uses right now (and one that could easily be tweaked to increase/decrease the gold sink, increase/decrease turnover rates at popular spots via weekly rent escalation, et cetera).

Of course the key is, unlike in one of the proposals above, the algorithm scales the fee based on the location's demand, not the size of a guild (or any other guild-specific property). But the point is, yes, in this era, for just about any kind of MMO system or interface tried and proven alternatives exist (or have existed recently enough). This is one of the major differences between MMOs today and MMOs 20 years ago, IMO.

And, by the by, it probably wouldn't be nearly as hard to code in as a proper auction house or what have you. Not that I expect ZOS to do it, of course, perish the thought...

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I'd just be glad for a better interface when trying to find things on a trader. You have better odds finding a needle in a hay stack than find a particular motif you want. The first 10 pages are going to be Merc, HollowJack, and Skinchanger lol.