Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Fun and interesting sets getting nerfed and nerfed thanks to power creep from the champion system and broken mechanics like ice block.
Here's a test, how many sets can you think of that give you a burst of stamina return?
Where's the stamina version of the warlock set that gives you 10k stamina when you are low?
Where is the stamina version of seducer? Marksman?
Meanwhile there are TONS of sets that give magicka return:
- Warlock (Endangered Status)
- Arch-mage (Extinct - already nerfed to death)
- Magicka Furnace (Threatened - but not that well used so its probably safe for now)
- Lich set (Endangered Status)
- Desert rose (extinct just nerfed to uselessness thanks to stupid ice block)
ALL OF THESE SETS WILL HAVE TO BE NERFED TO BALANCE BROKEN ICE BLOCK
this doesn't even mention major magickasteal. Where is major stamina steal?
The reason ZOS didn't put a major stamina steal in the game is that it would make permablock rediculous.
But magickasteal will do the same thing to ice block.
rustic_potato wrote: »Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Fun and interesting sets getting nerfed and nerfed thanks to power creep from the champion system and broken mechanics like ice block.
Here's a test, how many sets can you think of that give you a burst of stamina return?
Where's the stamina version of the warlock set that gives you 10k stamina when you are low?
Where is the stamina version of seducer? Marksman?
Meanwhile there are TONS of sets that give magicka return:
- Warlock (Endangered Status)
- Arch-mage (Extinct - already nerfed to death)
- Magicka Furnace (Threatened - but not that well used so its probably safe for now)
- Lich set (Endangered Status)
- Desert rose (extinct just nerfed to uselessness thanks to stupid ice block)
ALL OF THESE SETS WILL HAVE TO BE NERFED TO BALANCE BROKEN ICE BLOCK
this doesn't even mention major magickasteal. Where is major stamina steal?
The reason ZOS didn't put a major stamina steal in the game is that it would make permablock rediculous.
But magickasteal will do the same thing to ice block.
You get shards and repentance for stamina sustain. Are you seriously complaining about stamina sustain when it is infinitely easier to sustain a stam toon compared to a magika toon..
rustic_potato wrote: »Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Fun and interesting sets getting nerfed and nerfed thanks to power creep from the champion system and broken mechanics like ice block.
Here's a test, how many sets can you think of that give you a burst of stamina return?
Where's the stamina version of the warlock set that gives you 10k stamina when you are low?
Where is the stamina version of seducer? Marksman?
Meanwhile there are TONS of sets that give magicka return:
- Warlock (Endangered Status)
- Arch-mage (Extinct - already nerfed to death)
- Magicka Furnace (Threatened - but not that well used so its probably safe for now)
- Lich set (Endangered Status)
- Desert rose (extinct just nerfed to uselessness thanks to stupid ice block)
ALL OF THESE SETS WILL HAVE TO BE NERFED TO BALANCE BROKEN ICE BLOCK
this doesn't even mention major magickasteal. Where is major stamina steal?
The reason ZOS didn't put a major stamina steal in the game is that it would make permablock rediculous.
But magickasteal will do the same thing to ice block.
You get shards and repentance for stamina sustain. Are you seriously complaining about stamina sustain when it is infinitely easier to sustain a stam toon compared to a magika toon..
Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »rustic_potato wrote: »Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Fun and interesting sets getting nerfed and nerfed thanks to power creep from the champion system and broken mechanics like ice block.
Here's a test, how many sets can you think of that give you a burst of stamina return?
Where's the stamina version of the warlock set that gives you 10k stamina when you are low?
Where is the stamina version of seducer? Marksman?
Meanwhile there are TONS of sets that give magicka return:
- Warlock (Endangered Status)
- Arch-mage (Extinct - already nerfed to death)
- Magicka Furnace (Threatened - but not that well used so its probably safe for now)
- Lich set (Endangered Status)
- Desert rose (extinct just nerfed to uselessness thanks to stupid ice block)
ALL OF THESE SETS WILL HAVE TO BE NERFED TO BALANCE BROKEN ICE BLOCK
this doesn't even mention major magickasteal. Where is major stamina steal?
The reason ZOS didn't put a major stamina steal in the game is that it would make permablock rediculous.
But magickasteal will do the same thing to ice block.
You get shards and repentance for stamina sustain. Are you seriously complaining about stamina sustain when it is infinitely easier to sustain a stam toon compared to a magika toon..
And you get mystic orb for magicka sustain. So that's a wash. Also, I don't think a lot of Stam DPS will agree with you about the "stamina infinitely easier to sustain bit" unless you are a nightblade.
rustic_potato wrote: »Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Fun and interesting sets getting nerfed and nerfed thanks to power creep from the champion system and broken mechanics like ice block.
Here's a test, how many sets can you think of that give you a burst of stamina return?
Where's the stamina version of the warlock set that gives you 10k stamina when you are low?
Where is the stamina version of seducer? Marksman?
Meanwhile there are TONS of sets that give magicka return:
- Warlock (Endangered Status)
- Arch-mage (Extinct - already nerfed to death)
- Magicka Furnace (Threatened - but not that well used so its probably safe for now)
- Lich set (Endangered Status)
- Desert rose (extinct just nerfed to uselessness thanks to stupid ice block)
ALL OF THESE SETS WILL HAVE TO BE NERFED TO BALANCE BROKEN ICE BLOCK
this doesn't even mention major magickasteal. Where is major stamina steal?
The reason ZOS didn't put a major stamina steal in the game is that it would make permablock rediculous.
But magickasteal will do the same thing to ice block.
You get shards and repentance for stamina sustain. Are you seriously complaining about stamina sustain when it is infinitely easier to sustain a stam toon compared to a magika toon..
He has a point. Stamina gets a 20% cost reduction on skills in every single weapon line there is. Magicka costs are consistently higher across the board to begin with.
And up until pub 13: they had unchained.
It'll be strange seeing stam characters spec into a little sustain instead of 6,000 weapon damage.
I disagree about the champion system, but iceblock is hilariously broken as a basic concept.Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Fun and interesting sets getting nerfed and nerfed thanks to power creep from the champion system and broken mechanics like ice block.
Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »rustic_potato wrote: »Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Fun and interesting sets getting nerfed and nerfed thanks to power creep from the champion system and broken mechanics like ice block.
Here's a test, how many sets can you think of that give you a burst of stamina return?
Where's the stamina version of the warlock set that gives you 10k stamina when you are low?
Where is the stamina version of seducer? Marksman?
Meanwhile there are TONS of sets that give magicka return:
- Warlock (Endangered Status)
- Arch-mage (Extinct - already nerfed to death)
- Magicka Furnace (Threatened - but not that well used so its probably safe for now)
- Lich set (Endangered Status)
- Desert rose (extinct just nerfed to uselessness thanks to stupid ice block)
ALL OF THESE SETS WILL HAVE TO BE NERFED TO BALANCE BROKEN ICE BLOCK
this doesn't even mention major magickasteal. Where is major stamina steal?
The reason ZOS didn't put a major stamina steal in the game is that it would make permablock rediculous.
But magickasteal will do the same thing to ice block.
You get shards and repentance for stamina sustain. Are you seriously complaining about stamina sustain when it is infinitely easier to sustain a stam toon compared to a magika toon..
And you get mystic orb for magicka sustain. So that's a wash. Also, I don't think a lot of Stam DPS will agree with you about the "stamina infinitely easier to sustain bit" unless you are a nightblade.
Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »rustic_potato wrote: »Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Fun and interesting sets getting nerfed and nerfed thanks to power creep from the champion system and broken mechanics like ice block.
Here's a test, how many sets can you think of that give you a burst of stamina return?
Where's the stamina version of the warlock set that gives you 10k stamina when you are low?
Where is the stamina version of seducer? Marksman?
Meanwhile there are TONS of sets that give magicka return:
- Warlock (Endangered Status)
- Arch-mage (Extinct - already nerfed to death)
- Magicka Furnace (Threatened - but not that well used so its probably safe for now)
- Lich set (Endangered Status)
- Desert rose (extinct just nerfed to uselessness thanks to stupid ice block)
ALL OF THESE SETS WILL HAVE TO BE NERFED TO BALANCE BROKEN ICE BLOCK
this doesn't even mention major magickasteal. Where is major stamina steal?
The reason ZOS didn't put a major stamina steal in the game is that it would make permablock rediculous.
But magickasteal will do the same thing to ice block.
You get shards and repentance for stamina sustain. Are you seriously complaining about stamina sustain when it is infinitely easier to sustain a stam toon compared to a magika toon..
And you get mystic orb for magicka sustain. So that's a wash. Also, I don't think a lot of Stam DPS will agree with you about the "stamina infinitely easier to sustain bit" unless you are a nightblade.
Precisely....not reflective of PvP at all.rustic_potato wrote: »I have completed vMoL on 3 stam dps toons (all classes except stamblade) and 4 magika dps toons (all classes).. Sustaining stam is infinitely easier..
Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Thank goodness I didn't waste the money . Someone told me to try it and I bought one piece .
rustic_potato wrote: »Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Fun and interesting sets getting nerfed and nerfed thanks to power creep from the champion system and broken mechanics like ice block.
Here's a test, how many sets can you think of that give you a burst of stamina return?
Where's the stamina version of the warlock set that gives you 10k stamina when you are low?
Where is the stamina version of seducer? Marksman?
Meanwhile there are TONS of sets that give magicka return:
- Warlock (Endangered Status)
- Arch-mage (Extinct - already nerfed to death)
- Magicka Furnace (Threatened - but not that well used so its probably safe for now)
- Lich set (Endangered Status)
- Desert rose (extinct just nerfed to uselessness thanks to stupid ice block)
ALL OF THESE SETS WILL HAVE TO BE NERFED TO BALANCE BROKEN ICE BLOCK
this doesn't even mention major magickasteal. Where is major stamina steal?
The reason ZOS didn't put a major stamina steal in the game is that it would make permablock rediculous.
But magickasteal will do the same thing to ice block.
You get shards and repentance for stamina sustain. Are you seriously complaining about stamina sustain when it is infinitely easier to sustain a stam toon compared to a magika toon..
He has a point. Stamina gets a 20% cost reduction on skills in every single weapon line there is. Magicka costs are consistently higher across the board to begin with.
And up until pub 13: they had unchained.
It'll be strange seeing stam characters spec into a little sustain instead of 6,000 weapon damage.
Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Fun and interesting sets getting nerfed and nerfed thanks to power creep from the champion system and broken mechanics like ice block.
Here's a test, how many sets can you think of that give you a burst of stamina return?
- Where's the stamina version of the warlock set that gives you 10k stamina when you are low?
- Where is the stamina version of seducer? Marksman?
- Where's the stamina furnace set or the Stamina lich set?
Meanwhile there are TONS of sets that give magicka return:
- Warlock (Endangered Status)
- Arch-mage (Extinct - already nerfed to death)
- Magicka Furnace (Threatened - but not that well used so its probably safe for now)
- Lich set (Endangered Status)
- Desert rose (extinct just nerfed to uselessness thanks to stupid ice block)
ALL OF THESE SETS WILL HAVE TO BE NERFED TO BALANCE BROKEN ICE BLOCK
this doesn't even mention major magickasteal. Where is major stamina steal?
The reason ZOS didn't put a major stamina steal in the game is that it would make permablock rediculous.
But magickasteal will do the same thing to ice block.
Joy_Division wrote: »Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Fun and interesting sets getting nerfed and nerfed thanks to power creep from the champion system and broken mechanics like ice block.
Here's a test, how many sets can you think of that give you a burst of stamina return?
- Where's the stamina version of the warlock set that gives you 10k stamina when you are low?
- Where is the stamina version of seducer? Marksman?
- Where's the stamina furnace set or the Stamina lich set?
Meanwhile there are TONS of sets that give magicka return:
- Warlock (Endangered Status)
- Arch-mage (Extinct - already nerfed to death)
- Magicka Furnace (Threatened - but not that well used so its probably safe for now)
- Lich set (Endangered Status)
- Desert rose (extinct just nerfed to uselessness thanks to stupid ice block)
ALL OF THESE SETS WILL HAVE TO BE NERFED TO BALANCE BROKEN ICE BLOCK
this doesn't even mention major magickasteal. Where is major stamina steal?
The reason ZOS didn't put a major stamina steal in the game is that it would make permablock rediculous.
But magickasteal will do the same thing to ice block.
Be a Redguard and wear the very good Viscius Ophedian set. Or just be a Stam Sorc. Because Wrobel and Lambert play them.
rustic_potato wrote: »Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Fun and interesting sets getting nerfed and nerfed thanks to power creep from the champion system and broken mechanics like ice block.
Here's a test, how many sets can you think of that give you a burst of stamina return?
Where's the stamina version of the warlock set that gives you 10k stamina when you are low?
Where is the stamina version of seducer? Marksman?
Meanwhile there are TONS of sets that give magicka return:
- Warlock (Endangered Status)
- Arch-mage (Extinct - already nerfed to death)
- Magicka Furnace (Threatened - but not that well used so its probably safe for now)
- Lich set (Endangered Status)
- Desert rose (extinct just nerfed to uselessness thanks to stupid ice block)
ALL OF THESE SETS WILL HAVE TO BE NERFED TO BALANCE BROKEN ICE BLOCK
this doesn't even mention major magickasteal. Where is major stamina steal?
The reason ZOS didn't put a major stamina steal in the game is that it would make permablock rediculous.
But magickasteal will do the same thing to ice block.
You get shards and repentance for stamina sustain. Are you seriously complaining about stamina sustain when it is infinitely easier to sustain a stam toon compared to a magika toon..
He has a point. Stamina gets a 20% cost reduction on skills in every single weapon line there is. Magicka costs are consistently higher across the board to begin with.
And up until pub 13: they had unchained.
It'll be strange seeing stam characters spec into a little sustain instead of 6,000 weapon damage.
Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Fun and interesting sets getting nerfed and nerfed thanks to power creep from the champion system and broken mechanics like ice block.
Here's a test, how many sets can you think of that give you a burst of stamina return?
- Where's the stamina version of the warlock set that gives you 10k stamina when you are low?
- Where is the stamina version of seducer? Marksman?
- Where's the stamina furnace set or the Stamina lich set
This set was OP, so I understand the nerf. It still makes me sad though.
I was using the set on my Tanks in PvE. I had a Stam DK tank that would cast spells for ever because of this set. Chains for days, Talons and Igneus Shields non-stop. Infinite Igneus Shields = Infinite Stamina.
This is what made it too OP. But I'm sad that I'll actually have to get another set that works better for me. Maybe I'll use Alkosh. Who knows.
Lets all have a moment of silence for our now deceased Desert Rose. . . . . You were good while you lasted.