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Desert Rose nerf

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Magicka users can simply replace this set with Black Rose. Mag users complained for a very long time about how OP Black Rose was... their cries were heard!
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  • caperon
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    First thing i thought when i read frost staff changes was how OP would be desert rose, so i understand the change. Maybe 4s is a bit harsh, 3s CD could be ok i think.
  • Yolokin_Swagonborn
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    Fun and interesting sets getting nerfed and nerfed thanks to power creep from the champion system and broken mechanics like ice block.

    Here's a test, how many sets can you think of that give you a burst of stamina return?
    • Where's the stamina version of the warlock set that gives you 10k stamina when you are low?
    • Where is the stamina version of seducer? Marksman?
    • Where's the stamina furnace set or the Stamina lich set?

    Meanwhile there are TONS of sets that give magicka return:
    • Warlock (Endangered Status)
    • Arch-mage (Extinct - already nerfed to death)
    • Magicka Furnace (Threatened - but not that well used so its probably safe for now)
    • Lich set (Endangered Status)
    • Desert rose (extinct just nerfed to uselessness thanks to stupid ice block)

    ALL OF THESE SETS WILL HAVE TO BE NERFED TO BALANCE BROKEN ICE BLOCK


    this doesn't even mention major magickasteal. Where is major stamina steal?
    The reason ZOS didn't put a major stamina steal in the game is that it would make permablock rediculous.
    But magickasteal will do the same thing to ice block.
    Edited by Yolokin_Swagonborn on January 23, 2017 9:32PM
  • Glory
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    I'm a bit annoyed at this change because of the mechanics involved in the set. The game has continuously been altered in ways that benefit large groups balling up and zerging down smaller groups of players (elimination of dynamic ultimate, AoE caps continuing to be a thing, nerfing of sets that benefit those being outnumbered, etc.).

    This set was extremely strong when you are being zerged down by numbers much greater than your own (thus the multiple attacks per second proccing the set). It had no significant value unless you were placed in a situation in which the odds were stacked against you, and was arguably a waste of a 5 piece if you are in a zerg of players. ZOS most likely saw popular players and/or strong small scale players utilizing this set because these people are quite frequently fighting outnumbered.

    Even a two second cooldown would leave this set strong in the hands of outnumbered players, 4 seconds seems to harsh.

    To be honest, I'm getting kind of sick of the toolkit for fighting outnumbered being consistently destroyed because apparently already fighting against the odds is already not enough of a disadvantage...
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  • rustic_potato
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    Fun and interesting sets getting nerfed and nerfed thanks to power creep from the champion system and broken mechanics like ice block.

    Here's a test, how many sets can you think of that give you a burst of stamina return?

    Where's the stamina version of the warlock set that gives you 10k stamina when you are low?
    Where is the stamina version of seducer? Marksman?


    Meanwhile there are TONS of sets that give magicka return:
    • Warlock (Endangered Status)
    • Arch-mage (Extinct - already nerfed to death)
    • Magicka Furnace (Threatened - but not that well used so its probably safe for now)
    • Lich set (Endangered Status)
    • Desert rose (extinct just nerfed to uselessness thanks to stupid ice block)

    ALL OF THESE SETS WILL HAVE TO BE NERFED TO BALANCE BROKEN ICE BLOCK


    this doesn't even mention major magickasteal. Where is major stamina steal?
    The reason ZOS didn't put a major stamina steal in the game is that it would make permablock rediculous.
    But magickasteal will do the same thing to ice block.

    You get shards and repentance for stamina sustain. Are you seriously complaining about stamina sustain when it is infinitely easier to sustain a stam toon compared to a magika toon..
    I play how I want to.


  • Paraflex
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    The set over performs and procs in mist form...the proc rate was quite good with a 1 second cool down...I think people should be happy they didn't nerf this set harder.
    Edited by Paraflex on January 23, 2017 9:21PM
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  • Minalan
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    Fun and interesting sets getting nerfed and nerfed thanks to power creep from the champion system and broken mechanics like ice block.

    Here's a test, how many sets can you think of that give you a burst of stamina return?

    Where's the stamina version of the warlock set that gives you 10k stamina when you are low?
    Where is the stamina version of seducer? Marksman?


    Meanwhile there are TONS of sets that give magicka return:
    • Warlock (Endangered Status)
    • Arch-mage (Extinct - already nerfed to death)
    • Magicka Furnace (Threatened - but not that well used so its probably safe for now)
    • Lich set (Endangered Status)
    • Desert rose (extinct just nerfed to uselessness thanks to stupid ice block)

    ALL OF THESE SETS WILL HAVE TO BE NERFED TO BALANCE BROKEN ICE BLOCK


    this doesn't even mention major magickasteal. Where is major stamina steal?
    The reason ZOS didn't put a major stamina steal in the game is that it would make permablock rediculous.
    But magickasteal will do the same thing to ice block.

    You get shards and repentance for stamina sustain. Are you seriously complaining about stamina sustain when it is infinitely easier to sustain a stam toon compared to a magika toon..

    He has a point. Stamina gets a 20% cost reduction on skills in every single weapon line there is. Magicka costs are consistently higher across the board to begin with.

    And up until pub 13: they had unchained.

    It'll be strange seeing stam characters spec into a little sustain instead of 6,000 weapon damage. :lol:
  • Yolokin_Swagonborn
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    Fun and interesting sets getting nerfed and nerfed thanks to power creep from the champion system and broken mechanics like ice block.

    Here's a test, how many sets can you think of that give you a burst of stamina return?

    Where's the stamina version of the warlock set that gives you 10k stamina when you are low?
    Where is the stamina version of seducer? Marksman?


    Meanwhile there are TONS of sets that give magicka return:
    • Warlock (Endangered Status)
    • Arch-mage (Extinct - already nerfed to death)
    • Magicka Furnace (Threatened - but not that well used so its probably safe for now)
    • Lich set (Endangered Status)
    • Desert rose (extinct just nerfed to uselessness thanks to stupid ice block)

    ALL OF THESE SETS WILL HAVE TO BE NERFED TO BALANCE BROKEN ICE BLOCK


    this doesn't even mention major magickasteal. Where is major stamina steal?
    The reason ZOS didn't put a major stamina steal in the game is that it would make permablock rediculous.
    But magickasteal will do the same thing to ice block.

    You get shards and repentance for stamina sustain. Are you seriously complaining about stamina sustain when it is infinitely easier to sustain a stam toon compared to a magika toon..

    And you get mystic orb for magicka sustain. So that's a wash. Also, I don't think a lot of Stam DPS will agree with you about the "stamina infinitely easier to sustain bit" unless you are a nightblade.
  • Koolio
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    Fun and interesting sets getting nerfed and nerfed thanks to power creep from the champion system and broken mechanics like ice block.

    Here's a test, how many sets can you think of that give you a burst of stamina return?

    Where's the stamina version of the warlock set that gives you 10k stamina when you are low?
    Where is the stamina version of seducer? Marksman?


    Meanwhile there are TONS of sets that give magicka return:
    • Warlock (Endangered Status)
    • Arch-mage (Extinct - already nerfed to death)
    • Magicka Furnace (Threatened - but not that well used so its probably safe for now)
    • Lich set (Endangered Status)
    • Desert rose (extinct just nerfed to uselessness thanks to stupid ice block)

    ALL OF THESE SETS WILL HAVE TO BE NERFED TO BALANCE BROKEN ICE BLOCK


    this doesn't even mention major magickasteal. Where is major stamina steal?
    The reason ZOS didn't put a major stamina steal in the game is that it would make permablock rediculous.
    But magickasteal will do the same thing to ice block.

    You get shards and repentance for stamina sustain. Are you seriously complaining about stamina sustain when it is infinitely easier to sustain a stam toon compared to a magika toon..

    And you get mystic orb for magicka sustain. So that's a wash. Also, I don't think a lot of Stam DPS will agree with you about the "stamina infinitely easier to sustain bit" unless you are a nightblade.

    If in PVP or Pve I wish Mystic Orbs gave 30k magic with one push. (Like Repentance).
  • Domander
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    Fun and interesting sets getting nerfed and nerfed thanks to power creep from the champion system and broken mechanics like ice block.

    Here's a test, how many sets can you think of that give you a burst of stamina return?

    Where's the stamina version of the warlock set that gives you 10k stamina when you are low?
    Where is the stamina version of seducer? Marksman?


    Meanwhile there are TONS of sets that give magicka return:
    • Warlock (Endangered Status)
    • Arch-mage (Extinct - already nerfed to death)
    • Magicka Furnace (Threatened - but not that well used so its probably safe for now)
    • Lich set (Endangered Status)
    • Desert rose (extinct just nerfed to uselessness thanks to stupid ice block)

    ALL OF THESE SETS WILL HAVE TO BE NERFED TO BALANCE BROKEN ICE BLOCK


    this doesn't even mention major magickasteal. Where is major stamina steal?
    The reason ZOS didn't put a major stamina steal in the game is that it would make permablock rediculous.
    But magickasteal will do the same thing to ice block.

    You get shards and repentance for stamina sustain. Are you seriously complaining about stamina sustain when it is infinitely easier to sustain a stam toon compared to a magika toon..

    This, and if blocking with no regen, players will run out of magicka fast, especially if not built for blocking.
    Edited by Domander on January 23, 2017 11:38PM
  • Gilliamtherogue
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    Minalan wrote: »

    He has a point. Stamina gets a 20% cost reduction on skills in every single weapon line there is. Magicka costs are consistently higher across the board to begin with.

    And up until pub 13: they had unchained.

    It'll be strange seeing stam characters spec into a little sustain instead of 6,000 weapon damage. :lol:

    Stamina gets a 20% cost reduction because their resource pool to damage is punished when they have to block, bash, or dodge. It's also easily seen that the availability of the Stamina resource is much less prevalent than Magicka. End game Magicka builds stack upwards of 40k-50k, while Stamina remains around 30-38k. If you divide the cost by your total resource, most skills cost ~6% of their respective resource for both Magicka and Stamina.
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  • willlienellson
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    Fun and interesting sets getting nerfed and nerfed thanks to power creep from the champion system and broken mechanics like ice block.
    I disagree about the champion system, but iceblock is hilariously broken as a basic concept.

    It's SO MUCH easier to sustain magica then it is stamina....I don't know why anyone would even bother to attempt to block in Stamina or Sw/Sh again.

    Oh wait...yes I do....it's for when you want to use the Sw/Sh ultimate with your ice staff permablocking build. lol
  • bowmanz607
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    Fun and interesting sets getting nerfed and nerfed thanks to power creep from the champion system and broken mechanics like ice block.

    Here's a test, how many sets can you think of that give you a burst of stamina return?

    Where's the stamina version of the warlock set that gives you 10k stamina when you are low?
    Where is the stamina version of seducer? Marksman?


    Meanwhile there are TONS of sets that give magicka return:
    • Warlock (Endangered Status)
    • Arch-mage (Extinct - already nerfed to death)
    • Magicka Furnace (Threatened - but not that well used so its probably safe for now)
    • Lich set (Endangered Status)
    • Desert rose (extinct just nerfed to uselessness thanks to stupid ice block)

    ALL OF THESE SETS WILL HAVE TO BE NERFED TO BALANCE BROKEN ICE BLOCK


    this doesn't even mention major magickasteal. Where is major stamina steal?
    The reason ZOS didn't put a major stamina steal in the game is that it would make permablock rediculous.
    But magickasteal will do the same thing to ice block.

    You get shards and repentance for stamina sustain. Are you seriously complaining about stamina sustain when it is infinitely easier to sustain a stam toon compared to a magika toon..

    And you get mystic orb for magicka sustain. So that's a wash. Also, I don't think a lot of Stam DPS will agree with you about the "stamina infinitely easier to sustain bit" unless you are a nightblade.

    U saying stam nb is easiest to sustain? That award goes to stam sorc followed by stam dk. Plus, they don't have to invest into recovery to sustain. They get sustain and damage as a result. Stam nb usually have to go recovery for sustain which Hurst their damage. Ofcourse, stam nb have best burst potential.
    Edited by bowmanz607 on January 23, 2017 11:50PM
  • rustic_potato
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    Fun and interesting sets getting nerfed and nerfed thanks to power creep from the champion system and broken mechanics like ice block.

    Here's a test, how many sets can you think of that give you a burst of stamina return?

    Where's the stamina version of the warlock set that gives you 10k stamina when you are low?
    Where is the stamina version of seducer? Marksman?


    Meanwhile there are TONS of sets that give magicka return:
    • Warlock (Endangered Status)
    • Arch-mage (Extinct - already nerfed to death)
    • Magicka Furnace (Threatened - but not that well used so its probably safe for now)
    • Lich set (Endangered Status)
    • Desert rose (extinct just nerfed to uselessness thanks to stupid ice block)

    ALL OF THESE SETS WILL HAVE TO BE NERFED TO BALANCE BROKEN ICE BLOCK


    this doesn't even mention major magickasteal. Where is major stamina steal?
    The reason ZOS didn't put a major stamina steal in the game is that it would make permablock rediculous.
    But magickasteal will do the same thing to ice block.

    You get shards and repentance for stamina sustain. Are you seriously complaining about stamina sustain when it is infinitely easier to sustain a stam toon compared to a magika toon..

    And you get mystic orb for magicka sustain. So that's a wash. Also, I don't think a lot of Stam DPS will agree with you about the "stamina infinitely easier to sustain bit" unless you are a nightblade.

    I have completed vMoL on 3 stam dps toons (all classes except stamblade) and 4 magika dps toons (all classes).. Sustaining stam is infinitely easier..
    I play how I want to.


  • Rohamad_Ali
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    Thank goodness I didn't waste the money . Someone told me to try it and I bought one piece .
  • willlienellson
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    I have completed vMoL on 3 stam dps toons (all classes except stamblade) and 4 magika dps toons (all classes).. Sustaining stam is infinitely easier..
    Precisely....not reflective of PvP at all.

    When you can break free of CC without using stamina...then come talk to me.

    BTW, in Cyrodiil, you're basically CC'd every 6 seconds like F'ing clockwork.
  • Metafae
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    This set was OP, so I understand the nerf. It still makes me sad though.

    I was using the set on my Tanks in PvE. I had a Stam DK tank that would cast spells for ever because of this set. Chains for days, Talons and Igneus Shields non-stop. Infinite Igneus Shields = Infinite Stamina.

    This is what made it too OP. But I'm sad that I'll actually have to get another set that works better for me. Maybe I'll use Alkosh. Who knows.

    Lets all have a moment of silence for our now deceased Desert Rose. . . . . You were good while you lasted.
  • Wing
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    thank god it was nerfed.

    it was one of the reasons cancer shieldplars were so damn anoying.

    and yet so few even complained about it compared to black rose, black rose giving you around an extra few hundred resources back every 4 sec, and desert rose giving you thousands back every 1 second.

    people just misplaced what was going on and figured it must be black rose, and cheeky pvp players wanted their OP set and didn't wan to say anything.

    SO GALD to see this nerfed, pvp will be soo much better off for it.

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    game got too disappointing.
  • Master_Kas
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    Thank goodness I didn't waste the money . Someone told me to try it and I bought one piece .

    I'm actually happy I never bought the sword and shield of this set now xD

    Still sad about trainee tough :disappointed:
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  • GawdSB
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    Minalan wrote: »
    Fun and interesting sets getting nerfed and nerfed thanks to power creep from the champion system and broken mechanics like ice block.

    Here's a test, how many sets can you think of that give you a burst of stamina return?

    Where's the stamina version of the warlock set that gives you 10k stamina when you are low?
    Where is the stamina version of seducer? Marksman?


    Meanwhile there are TONS of sets that give magicka return:
    • Warlock (Endangered Status)
    • Arch-mage (Extinct - already nerfed to death)
    • Magicka Furnace (Threatened - but not that well used so its probably safe for now)
    • Lich set (Endangered Status)
    • Desert rose (extinct just nerfed to uselessness thanks to stupid ice block)

    ALL OF THESE SETS WILL HAVE TO BE NERFED TO BALANCE BROKEN ICE BLOCK


    this doesn't even mention major magickasteal. Where is major stamina steal?
    The reason ZOS didn't put a major stamina steal in the game is that it would make permablock rediculous.
    But magickasteal will do the same thing to ice block.

    You get shards and repentance for stamina sustain. Are you seriously complaining about stamina sustain when it is infinitely easier to sustain a stam toon compared to a magika toon..

    He has a point. Stamina gets a 20% cost reduction on skills in every single weapon line there is. Magicka costs are consistently higher across the board to begin with.

    And up until pub 13: they had unchained.

    It'll be strange seeing stam characters spec into a little sustain instead of 6,000 weapon damage. :lol:



    Lol, because there are so many things based off of stamina. Block, dodge-roll, bash, etc... If Stam cost as much as magicka in skills there would be no sustain.
  • Joy_Division
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    Fun and interesting sets getting nerfed and nerfed thanks to power creep from the champion system and broken mechanics like ice block.

    Here's a test, how many sets can you think of that give you a burst of stamina return?
    • Where's the stamina version of the warlock set that gives you 10k stamina when you are low?
    • Where is the stamina version of seducer? Marksman?
    • Where's the stamina furnace set or the Stamina lich set?

    Meanwhile there are TONS of sets that give magicka return:
    • Warlock (Endangered Status)
    • Arch-mage (Extinct - already nerfed to death)
    • Magicka Furnace (Threatened - but not that well used so its probably safe for now)
    • Lich set (Endangered Status)
    • Desert rose (extinct just nerfed to uselessness thanks to stupid ice block)

    ALL OF THESE SETS WILL HAVE TO BE NERFED TO BALANCE BROKEN ICE BLOCK


    this doesn't even mention major magickasteal. Where is major stamina steal?
    The reason ZOS didn't put a major stamina steal in the game is that it would make permablock rediculous.
    But magickasteal will do the same thing to ice block.

    Be a Redguard and wear the very good Viscius Ophedian set. Or just be a Stam Sorc. Because Wrobel and Lambert play them.
    Edited by Joy_Division on January 24, 2017 3:12AM
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  • Ishammael
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    Fun and interesting sets getting nerfed and nerfed thanks to power creep from the champion system and broken mechanics like ice block.

    Here's a test, how many sets can you think of that give you a burst of stamina return?
    • Where's the stamina version of the warlock set that gives you 10k stamina when you are low?
    • Where is the stamina version of seducer? Marksman?
    • Where's the stamina furnace set or the Stamina lich set?

    Meanwhile there are TONS of sets that give magicka return:
    • Warlock (Endangered Status)
    • Arch-mage (Extinct - already nerfed to death)
    • Magicka Furnace (Threatened - but not that well used so its probably safe for now)
    • Lich set (Endangered Status)
    • Desert rose (extinct just nerfed to uselessness thanks to stupid ice block)

    ALL OF THESE SETS WILL HAVE TO BE NERFED TO BALANCE BROKEN ICE BLOCK


    this doesn't even mention major magickasteal. Where is major stamina steal?
    The reason ZOS didn't put a major stamina steal in the game is that it would make permablock rediculous.
    But magickasteal will do the same thing to ice block.

    Be a Redguard and wear the very good Viscius Ophedian set. Or just be a Stam Sorc. Because Wrobel and Lambert play them.

    Both morphs of Dark Exchange are Ridiculous
  • austinwalter87ub17_ESO
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    This set wasn't OP. It only benefitted tanky characters. Whom aren't killing people every second like all the crybaby DPS in this game.

    No wonder you have hour long queues as DPS and instant on tanks and healers. DPS players need to be nerfed into the ground. Since us tanky players can't be allowed to have good builds.
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  • Mojomonkeyman
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    Minalan wrote: »
    Fun and interesting sets getting nerfed and nerfed thanks to power creep from the champion system and broken mechanics like ice block.

    Here's a test, how many sets can you think of that give you a burst of stamina return?

    Where's the stamina version of the warlock set that gives you 10k stamina when you are low?
    Where is the stamina version of seducer? Marksman?


    Meanwhile there are TONS of sets that give magicka return:
    • Warlock (Endangered Status)
    • Arch-mage (Extinct - already nerfed to death)
    • Magicka Furnace (Threatened - but not that well used so its probably safe for now)
    • Lich set (Endangered Status)
    • Desert rose (extinct just nerfed to uselessness thanks to stupid ice block)

    ALL OF THESE SETS WILL HAVE TO BE NERFED TO BALANCE BROKEN ICE BLOCK


    this doesn't even mention major magickasteal. Where is major stamina steal?
    The reason ZOS didn't put a major stamina steal in the game is that it would make permablock rediculous.
    But magickasteal will do the same thing to ice block.

    You get shards and repentance for stamina sustain. Are you seriously complaining about stamina sustain when it is infinitely easier to sustain a stam toon compared to a magika toon..

    He has a point. Stamina gets a 20% cost reduction on skills in every single weapon line there is. Magicka costs are consistently higher across the board to begin with.

    And up until pub 13: they had unchained.

    It'll be strange seeing stam characters spec into a little sustain instead of 6,000 weapon damage. :lol:

    No, you fail to realize, that the people running around with 6k wpn dmg now, were the ones putting themselves at a disadvantage not running direct damage proc sets but doing the work by themselves.

    Those will now reconsider their decision and just swap over to cost reduc enchants + direct damage proc sets to compensate for the loss in dmg. They will still have the same damage output and sustain, cut through shields much easier and dont even have to be good for it, since procs do the work.

    Is that really what you want?
    Edited by Mojomonkeyman on January 24, 2017 8:12AM
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  • WillhelmBlack
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    It was never a problem. What you will see now is Lich, Syrabane or Withered Hand on Sword and Shield bar and Black Rose or Bloodthorn on Ice Staff bar.

    Unless ZOS nerf all those sets too because they won't admit Ice Staff blocking was a bad idea.
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  • Valencer
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    The problem with viewing a set like desert rose as a crutch to fight outnumbered with is that fighting outnumbered should be supported by proper in-game mechanics that everyone can use if they have the skill/experience for it, and not some specific gimmicky 5 piece set.
  • Zedrian
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    Fun and interesting sets getting nerfed and nerfed thanks to power creep from the champion system and broken mechanics like ice block.

    Here's a test, how many sets can you think of that give you a burst of stamina return?
    • Where's the stamina version of the warlock set that gives you 10k stamina when you are low?
    • Where is the stamina version of seducer? Marksman?
    • Where's the stamina furnace set or the Stamina lich set

    You forgot Vicious Ophidian that gives back quite a bit of stamina and to an extent Black Rose.

    And on a stam DK or NB Tank that knows his resource management can perma block in PVE and to an extent in PVP (especially true if a Templar is in the group).

    Also Magicka base weapon skills provide no major burst attacks (I.e executioner 50% execute....). You can't compare the way magic users output damage to stamina users as they are different playstyles. And I prefer if both remain different to keep rerolling interesting ;-)

  • Durham
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    Metafae wrote: »
    This set was OP, so I understand the nerf. It still makes me sad though.

    I was using the set on my Tanks in PvE. I had a Stam DK tank that would cast spells for ever because of this set. Chains for days, Talons and Igneus Shields non-stop. Infinite Igneus Shields = Infinite Stamina.

    This is what made it too OP. But I'm sad that I'll actually have to get another set that works better for me. Maybe I'll use Alkosh. Who knows.

    Lets all have a moment of silence for our now deceased Desert Rose. . . . . You were good while you lasted.

    Igneus Shield does not give you Infinate Stamina 5% Stam return 2k on 40k Stamina ... it helps a ton but infinate is an exaggeration...
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  • Xeniph
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    I personally think the set was perfectly balanced.

    In the case where you were being hit by 1 or 2 opponents it would proc every 3 seconds-ish. However the set ramped up the more incoming attacks, when you really needed.

    Imo, as a pvp set and as a solo player, it helped a lot with being zerged down. The more that hit me, the more opportunity I had to get away.

    Now it bugs the HELL out of me that there are sets like Fury (725 weapon damage @full buff) 7th legion (where is my health/magicka) and Barkskin. The gear imbalances favoring stamina are getting worse every patch.

    This nerf was not needed at all.

    Here since Beta.

    Characters: All of them, both Stamina and Magicka.
  • Oreyn_Bearclaw
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    Stamina is far easier to sustain than magic in every type of content I have played from VMOL to VMA to Cyro. So we should stop having that fight. Stamina users are able to stack three proc (damage) sets and sustain for days in PVP. Magic usure are essentially required to devote a 5-piece set to managing their resources.

    Virtually every stamina build out there will have higher Stam regen than I do magic regen and higher weapon damage than I do spell damage. This set leveled the playing field when out numbered. That's it. It didn't get kills for you like half the Stam sets in cyro.

    This was combo result of streamer hype and a really bad new mechanic in iceblocking. Did this set need a small nerf? Perhaps, but ZOS just killed it.
  • ku5h
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    Why are ppl constantly saying that you needed bunch of ppl to proc it regulary, when its just flat out not true. If a player is putting pressure on you he will do multiple damage tick on you per second.
    example-StamSorc- poison injection, hurricane, LA and skill---that is 4 dmg ticks in one second and that is just basics, you could still add bleed dots, poison dots(x2) and other stuff.
    So lets not kid ourselves, if 3 ppl are preasuring you and they are not potatoes, they could proc your DR every single second and that is with 10% chance.


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