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✭✭✭[usmcjdking wrote: »Guess we should ban everyone skipping trash in COA II. Using terrain to ignore mechanics.
Guess we should ban everyone magnum shotting to the Illambris twins. Using terrain to ignore mechanics.
Guess we should ban everyone who doesn't face tank everything vs. Hiath. Using terrain to ignore mechanics.
Please think about the precedent you would be setting before you start begging for bans.
Skip trash / tanking adds away from the boss == sniping raid boss from outside the map while the boss stays still and can't do anything. Also, taking a shortcut route through the lava is totally the same as skipping over invisible walls to go into a chessboard land to walk around a raid.
A magnificent comparison.
And whatever that illambris thing is, if it involves killing the boss without the boss actually doing something/not entering combat, yea ban em, why not.
A rose is a rose....is a rose.
It's exploiting despite whatever excuses or fancy intellectualizing you managed to come up with. Because you are salty some dudes exploited their way to Dro'Mathra Destroyer is your personal issue. ZOS should not heed something because you are angry. Asking for punishment that does not follow suit for like exploitation in the game is nothing more than a testament to the meteoric rise of salt levels.0331
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✭✭✭✭✭usmcjdking wrote: »Guess we should ban everyone skipping trash in COA II. Using terrain to ignore mechanics.
Guess we should ban everyone magnum shotting to the Illambris twins. Using terrain to ignore mechanics.
Guess we should ban everyone who doesn't face tank everything vs. Hiath. Using terrain to ignore mechanics.
Please think about the precedent you would be setting before you start begging for bans.
Thats an absurd example, you're skipping trash in CoA anyway - there's 2 ways leading to Ash Titan and you wouldnt return to kill the trash on the other side unless you're going for achievements.
Dunno whats the last 2 examples are, but if it involves killing bosses without aggroing them, making them stuck in the wall etc, then yes, those are exploits.
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✭✭✭✭✭usmcjdking wrote: »[usmcjdking wrote: »Guess we should ban everyone skipping trash in COA II. Using terrain to ignore mechanics.
Guess we should ban everyone magnum shotting to the Illambris twins. Using terrain to ignore mechanics.
Guess we should ban everyone who doesn't face tank everything vs. Hiath. Using terrain to ignore mechanics.
Please think about the precedent you would be setting before you start begging for bans.
Skip trash / tanking adds away from the boss == sniping raid boss from outside the map while the boss stays still and can't do anything. Also, taking a shortcut route through the lava is totally the same as skipping over invisible walls to go into a chessboard land to walk around a raid.
A magnificent comparison.
And whatever that illambris thing is, if it involves killing the boss without the boss actually doing something/not entering combat, yea ban em, why not.
A rose is a rose....is a rose.
It's exploiting despite whatever excuses or fancy intellectualizing you managed to come up with. Because you are salty some dudes exploited their way to Dro'Mathra Destroyer is your personal issue. ZOS should not heed something because you are angry. Asking for punishment that does not follow suit for like exploitation in the game is nothing more than a testament to the meteoric rise of salt levels.
Stop playing stupid, exploits are much bigger issue.
The very fact that it went viral shows a lot. Because its the case with any exploit in this game. People arent afraid of bans and losing their accounts, no, they're specifically looking for exploits, so that they can have more gold, damage and ap than a legit player would. If you dont see whats the problem with that... Well, may I ask if you were using this kind o fstuff? Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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✭✭✭✭usmcjdking wrote: »[usmcjdking wrote: »Guess we should ban everyone skipping trash in COA II. Using terrain to ignore mechanics.
Guess we should ban everyone magnum shotting to the Illambris twins. Using terrain to ignore mechanics.
Guess we should ban everyone who doesn't face tank everything vs. Hiath. Using terrain to ignore mechanics.
Please think about the precedent you would be setting before you start begging for bans.
Skip trash / tanking adds away from the boss == sniping raid boss from outside the map while the boss stays still and can't do anything. Also, taking a shortcut route through the lava is totally the same as skipping over invisible walls to go into a chessboard land to walk around a raid.
A magnificent comparison.
And whatever that illambris thing is, if it involves killing the boss without the boss actually doing something/not entering combat, yea ban em, why not.
A rose is a rose....is a rose.
It's exploiting despite whatever excuses or fancy intellectualizing you managed to come up with. Because you are salty some dudes exploited their way to Dro'Mathra Destroyer is your personal issue. ZOS should not heed something because you are angry. Asking for punishment that does not follow suit for like exploitation in the game is nothing more than a testament to the meteoric rise of salt levels.
Ok let me elaborate then on the ridiculous comparisons you make in order to justify exploiting.
1. Skipping trash in any dungeon is not exploiting. Dungeons like Elden Hollow and city of ash even have mutliple routes, so you always skip trash. Or are the people not going back to kill everything exploiting? Also, they stay WITHIN the designed mapspace which is totally different than actually leave the map space.
2. Taking the adds on Hiath to the back of the room is exploiting because? Off-tanking is an exploit now? Staying within the designated battle arena is an exploit? "Hey guys, we designed this arena for you, but don't go to the back, that's exploiting!".
3. Whatever that ilambris thing is, if it involved bugging the boss in walls or making him stuck out of combat, yes that is exploiting and yes that should be bannable.
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I don't like it at all that people exploited this, but I have the TOS to backup exploiting should be a banable offence. You on the other hand, just do it because you have a personal problem with me voicing it.Edited by Woeler on January 24, 2017 12:27AM9 -
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✭✭✭usmcjdking wrote: »[usmcjdking wrote: »Guess we should ban everyone skipping trash in COA II. Using terrain to ignore mechanics.
Guess we should ban everyone magnum shotting to the Illambris twins. Using terrain to ignore mechanics.
Guess we should ban everyone who doesn't face tank everything vs. Hiath. Using terrain to ignore mechanics.
Please think about the precedent you would be setting before you start begging for bans.
Skip trash / tanking adds away from the boss == sniping raid boss from outside the map while the boss stays still and can't do anything. Also, taking a shortcut route through the lava is totally the same as skipping over invisible walls to go into a chessboard land to walk around a raid.
A magnificent comparison.
And whatever that illambris thing is, if it involves killing the boss without the boss actually doing something/not entering combat, yea ban em, why not.
A rose is a rose....is a rose.
It's exploiting despite whatever excuses or fancy intellectualizing you managed to come up with. Because you are salty some dudes exploited their way to Dro'Mathra Destroyer is your personal issue. ZOS should not heed something because you are angry. Asking for punishment that does not follow suit for like exploitation in the game is nothing more than a testament to the meteoric rise of salt levels.
Ok let me elaborate then on the ridiculous comparisons you make in order to justify exploiting.
1. Skipping trash in any dungeon is not exploiting. Dungeons like Elden Hollow and city of ash even have mutliple routes, so you always skip trash. Or are the people not going back to kill everything exploiting? Also, they stay WITHIN the designed mapspace which is totally different than actually leave the map space.
2. Taking the adds on Hiath to the back of the room is exploiting because? Off-tanking is an exploit now? Staying within the designated battle arena is an exploit? "Hey guys, we designed this arena for you, but don't go to the back, that's exploiting!".
3. Whatever that ilambris thing is, if it involved bugging the boss in walls or making him stuck out of combat, yes that is exploiting and yes that should be bannable.
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Promote, upload, transmit, encourage or take part in any activity involving hacking, cracking, phishing, taking advantage of exploits or cheats and/or distribution of counterfeit software and/or Virtual Currency or virtual items. In an effort to continuously improve the Services, You and other players discovering exploits, cheats, cracks or other inconsistencies are required to report them to ZeniMax;
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I don't like it at all that people exploited this, but I have the TOS to backup exploiting should be a banable offence. You on the other hand, just do it because you have a personal problem with me voicing it.
So you're saying none of the examples given are utilizing terrain to ignore intended mechanics?
Got it, we have nothing left to talk about.0331
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✭✭✭✭✭You guys remind me if the supreme court and um explicit photography (dunno if the actual word is gonna get me in trouble)
The justices said, "I may not be able to define *it* but I know *it* when I see it"
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✭✭✭✭✭usmcjdking wrote: »usmcjdking wrote: »[usmcjdking wrote: »Guess we should ban everyone skipping trash in COA II. Using terrain to ignore mechanics.
Guess we should ban everyone magnum shotting to the Illambris twins. Using terrain to ignore mechanics.
Guess we should ban everyone who doesn't face tank everything vs. Hiath. Using terrain to ignore mechanics.
Please think about the precedent you would be setting before you start begging for bans.
Skip trash / tanking adds away from the boss == sniping raid boss from outside the map while the boss stays still and can't do anything. Also, taking a shortcut route through the lava is totally the same as skipping over invisible walls to go into a chessboard land to walk around a raid.
A magnificent comparison.
And whatever that illambris thing is, if it involves killing the boss without the boss actually doing something/not entering combat, yea ban em, why not.
A rose is a rose....is a rose.
It's exploiting despite whatever excuses or fancy intellectualizing you managed to come up with. Because you are salty some dudes exploited their way to Dro'Mathra Destroyer is your personal issue. ZOS should not heed something because you are angry. Asking for punishment that does not follow suit for like exploitation in the game is nothing more than a testament to the meteoric rise of salt levels.
Ok let me elaborate then on the ridiculous comparisons you make in order to justify exploiting.
1. Skipping trash in any dungeon is not exploiting. Dungeons like Elden Hollow and city of ash even have mutliple routes, so you always skip trash. Or are the people not going back to kill everything exploiting? Also, they stay WITHIN the designed mapspace which is totally different than actually leave the map space.
2. Taking the adds on Hiath to the back of the room is exploiting because? Off-tanking is an exploit now? Staying within the designated battle arena is an exploit? "Hey guys, we designed this arena for you, but don't go to the back, that's exploiting!".
3. Whatever that ilambris thing is, if it involved bugging the boss in walls or making him stuck out of combat, yes that is exploiting and yes that should be bannable.
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You agree not to use any Service to:
Promote, upload, transmit, encourage or take part in any activity involving hacking, cracking, phishing, taking advantage of exploits or cheats and/or distribution of counterfeit software and/or Virtual Currency or virtual items. In an effort to continuously improve the Services, You and other players discovering exploits, cheats, cracks or other inconsistencies are required to report them to ZeniMax;
In addition, ZeniMax reserves the right to restrict, suspend or terminate these Terms of Service and Your Account immediately and without notice to You if (i) You breach these Terms of Service
I don't like it at all that people exploited this, but I have the TOS to backup exploiting should be a banable offence. You on the other hand, just do it because you have a personal problem with me voicing it.
So you're saying none of the examples given are utilizing terrain to ignore intended mechanics?
Got it, we have nothing left to talk about.
If its not intended, why so many dungeons have skippable mobs and optional bosses? It just makes the dungeons a little bit less streamlined, thats it. For example, at the start of CoH dungeon, there a huge room. In the corner there are a few skeletons/zombies that dont instantly aggro unless you come closer.
Besides, there is a difference between walking past enemies (which is possible in most of quests, too) and glitching through the map in order to avoid them.
Exploration is an intended mechanic. Killing the bosses without actually fighting them isnt.Edited by LadyNalcarya on January 24, 2017 12:51AMDro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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Guess we should ban everyone magnum shotting to the Illambris twins. Using terrain to ignore mechanics.
Guess we should ban everyone who doesn't face tank everything vs. Hiath. Using terrain to ignore mechanics.
Please think about the precedent you would be setting before you start begging for bans.
Skipping adds and cheesing/exploiting are two different worlds.
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✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »You guys remind me if the supreme court and um explicit photography (dunno if the actual word is gonna get me in trouble)
The justices said, "I may not be able to define *it* but I know *it* when I see it"
The differences posted above may indict how difficult it is to say one thing is an exploit while the other is not. Either way, "I know this was an exploit when I saw it."
Its not difficult.
Killing the boss without aggroing him clearly isnt an intended mechanic.
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My only real issue with COA lava is it does almost no damage. You go anywhere else in the game, especially above world, lava tends to kill you in 3-4 ticks. But I feel like I could stand in the lava in COA for over an hour and I'd never die.Skip trash / tanking adds away from the boss == sniping raid boss from outside the map while the boss stays still and can't do anything. Also, taking a shortcut route through the lava is totally the same as skipping over invisible walls to go into a chessboard land to walk around a raid.
A magnificent comparison.
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My only real issue with COA lava is it does almost no damage. You go anywhere else in the game, especially above world, lava tends to kill you in 3-4 ticks. But I feel like I could stand in the lava in COA for over an hour and I'd never die.Skip trash / tanking adds away from the boss == sniping raid boss from outside the map while the boss stays still and can't do anything. Also, taking a shortcut route through the lava is totally the same as skipping over invisible walls to go into a chessboard land to walk around a raid.
A magnificent comparison.
I guess thats because insta-killing lava would've made Skoria fight impossible for very low dps groups. At least now you can execute him even if you run out of platforms.Edited by LadyNalcarya on January 24, 2017 1:02AMDro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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Its not difficult.
Killing the boss without aggroing him clearly isnt an intended mechanic.
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This. I have no idea how a person could seriously argue that skipping trash in COA is the same as going outside the map and killing the hardest trials boss in the game without pulling aggro. That logic is just pure defecation.NA EP
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Excellent point, sir! I award you one Awesome! sticker.KoshkaMurka wrote: »
My only real issue with COA lava is it does almost no damage. You go anywhere else in the game, especially above world, lava tends to kill you in 3-4 ticks. But I feel like I could stand in the lava in COA for over an hour and I'd never die.Skip trash / tanking adds away from the boss == sniping raid boss from outside the map while the boss stays still and can't do anything. Also, taking a shortcut route through the lava is totally the same as skipping over invisible walls to go into a chessboard land to walk around a raid.
A magnificent comparison.
Thats because insta-killing lava would've made Skoria fight impossible for very low dps groups. At least now you can execute him even if you run out of platforms.0 -
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Its not difficult.
Killing the boss without aggroing him clearly isnt an intended mechanic.
This. I have no idea how a person could seriously argue that skipping trash in COA is the same as going outside the map and killing the hardest trials boss in the game without pulling aggro. That logic is just pure defecation.
Just fyi i wasn't saying any comparisons, just making a point while trying to avoid an argumentEdited by Waffennacht on January 24, 2017 1:10AM0 -
Zoner✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »
Its not difficult.
Killing the boss without aggroing him clearly isnt an intended mechanic.
This. I have no idea how a person could seriously argue that skipping trash in COA is the same as going outside the map and killing the hardest trials boss in the game without pulling aggro. That logic is just pure defecation.
Just fyi i wasn't saying any comparisons, just making a point while trying to avoid an argument
Oh I know, it's just that some people do believe that the maw exploit is on the same level as skipping COA trash and think that if maw exploiters get banned then so should people who skip trash in dailies.
It's hard to know what Zos will ban for though. No permabans for survey banker exploit and apparently hardly any for the use of third party cheating programs, but permabans for too much swearing and the salvation/werewolf exploit. I guess it's a mystery and we'll have to wait and see.NA EP
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✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »
Its not difficult.
Killing the boss without aggroing him clearly isnt an intended mechanic.
This. I have no idea how a person could seriously argue that skipping trash in COA is the same as going outside the map and killing the hardest trials boss in the game without pulling aggro. That logic is just pure defecation.
Just fyi i wasn't saying any comparisons, just making a point while trying to avoid an argument
Oh I know, it's just that some people do believe that the maw exploit is on the same level as skipping COA trash and think that if maw exploiters get banned then so should people who skip trash in dailies.
It's hard to know what Zos will ban for though. No permabans for survey banker exploit and apparently hardly any for the use of third party cheating programs, but permabans for too much swearing and the salvation/werewolf exploit. I guess it's a mystery and we'll have to wait and see.
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Its not difficult.
Killing the boss without aggroing him clearly isnt an intended mechanic.
This. I have no idea how a person could seriously argue that skipping trash in COA is the same as going outside the map and killing the hardest trials boss in the game without pulling aggro. That logic is just pure defecation. [/quote]
I didn't argue anything other than the precedent is the same. Of course people just FREAK OUT because How could I be using terrain to exploit?!?!
In-game punishable offenses should generally follow a set of rules. Fortunately, anyone who used this exploit did not take away anything from any other player (ego notwithstanding) outside of potentially robbing them of a legit completion of the trial.
Now, ZOS retains the rights to...do whatever they please. Where this comes in is that there is precedence showing that exploiting terrain to bypass mechanics has not been regarded as a punishable offense and then retroactively smashing players who exploited said mechanics.
Now, we have a pile of salt on the forums demanding that that precedent be retroactively put in place because of the prestige of the content and to appease the salt lords. This is functionally no different than a classic lynch mob attitude.
A good case-in-point is the exploit (which still exists 7 months later) wherein players can gap close into keeps, bypassing mechanics designed to ensure players could not enter an enemy owned keep because they felt like it. There was no precedent established except to the whole "DK Leap can and has received the developer's blessing in bypassing keep wall mechanics" fiasco which was the player justification for abusing it with other gap closers. This is essentially whaat Woeler is doing.
So, what did the Developers do? They made it very clear that at of the time of their post, it was now a punishable offense. What happened? People continued, were temp-banned, and now it's a rarely seen occurrence even though it is still possible.Edited by usmcjdking on January 24, 2017 1:22AM0331
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lehran✭✭✭How do you equate leaving the map to using terrain to your advantage? There is no terrain outside of the map, and by definition you aren't supposed to be there. Using a glitch that gets you out of the map to your advantage is an exploit, plain and simple. Not every exploit involves going out of the map, but they do all involve glitches. Using terrain to your advantage by going through lava to skip trash is not a glitch, and as such is not an exploit. If the lava there killed you instantly and you had a way to avoid that damage by walking on top of it, or if it had invisible walls that you could sometimes pass through, THAT would be a glitch, and thus the strategy an exploit.
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✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »
Its not difficult.
Killing the boss without aggroing him clearly isnt an intended mechanic.
This. I have no idea how a person could seriously argue that skipping trash in COA is the same as going outside the map and killing the hardest trials boss in the game without pulling aggro. That logic is just pure defecation.
Just fyi i wasn't saying any comparisons, just making a point while trying to avoid an argument
Oh I know, it's just that some people do believe that the maw exploit is on the same level as skipping COA trash and think that if maw exploiters get banned then so should people who skip trash in dailies.
It's hard to know what Zos will ban for though. No permabans for survey banker exploit and apparently hardly any for the use of third party cheating programs, but permabans for too much swearing and the salvation/werewolf exploit. I guess it's a mystery and we'll have to wait and see.
Aside from anecdotal evidence, we'll never really know the metrics of how ZOS handles its temp/perma bans. I guess its a matter of which customers are "acceptable losses"."If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."1 -
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✭✭usmcjdking wrote: »usmcjdking wrote: »[usmcjdking wrote: »Guess we should ban everyone skipping trash in COA II. Using terrain to ignore mechanics.
Guess we should ban everyone magnum shotting to the Illambris twins. Using terrain to ignore mechanics.
Guess we should ban everyone who doesn't face tank everything vs. Hiath. Using terrain to ignore mechanics.
Please think about the precedent you would be setting before you start begging for bans.
Skip trash / tanking adds away from the boss == sniping raid boss from outside the map while the boss stays still and can't do anything. Also, taking a shortcut route through the lava is totally the same as skipping over invisible walls to go into a chessboard land to walk around a raid.
A magnificent comparison.
And whatever that illambris thing is, if it involves killing the boss without the boss actually doing something/not entering combat, yea ban em, why not.
A rose is a rose....is a rose.
It's exploiting despite whatever excuses or fancy intellectualizing you managed to come up with. Because you are salty some dudes exploited their way to Dro'Mathra Destroyer is your personal issue. ZOS should not heed something because you are angry. Asking for punishment that does not follow suit for like exploitation in the game is nothing more than a testament to the meteoric rise of salt levels.
Ok let me elaborate then on the ridiculous comparisons you make in order to justify exploiting.
1. Skipping trash in any dungeon is not exploiting. Dungeons like Elden Hollow and city of ash even have mutliple routes, so you always skip trash. Or are the people not going back to kill everything exploiting? Also, they stay WITHIN the designed mapspace which is totally different than actually leave the map space.
2. Taking the adds on Hiath to the back of the room is exploiting because? Off-tanking is an exploit now? Staying within the designated battle arena is an exploit? "Hey guys, we designed this arena for you, but don't go to the back, that's exploiting!".
3. Whatever that ilambris thing is, if it involved bugging the boss in walls or making him stuck out of combat, yes that is exploiting and yes that should be bannable.
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You agree not to use any Service to:
Promote, upload, transmit, encourage or take part in any activity involving hacking, cracking, phishing, taking advantage of exploits or cheats and/or distribution of counterfeit software and/or Virtual Currency or virtual items. In an effort to continuously improve the Services, You and other players discovering exploits, cheats, cracks or other inconsistencies are required to report them to ZeniMax;
In addition, ZeniMax reserves the right to restrict, suspend or terminate these Terms of Service and Your Account immediately and without notice to You if (i) You breach these Terms of Service
I don't like it at all that people exploited this, but I have the TOS to backup exploiting should be a banable offence. You on the other hand, just do it because you have a personal problem with me voicing it.
So you're saying none of the examples given are utilizing terrain to ignore intended mechanics?
Got it, we have nothing left to talk about.
So you're saying that utilizing the terrain, which have no invisible barriers, inside the map to bypass a few trash mobs is on the same level as completely leaving the map to bypass the entire trial and kill the boss without aggro.
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✭✭✭usmcjdking wrote: »[usmcjdking wrote: »Guess we should ban everyone skipping trash in COA II. Using terrain to ignore mechanics.
Guess we should ban everyone magnum shotting to the Illambris twins. Using terrain to ignore mechanics.
Guess we should ban everyone who doesn't face tank everything vs. Hiath. Using terrain to ignore mechanics.
Please think about the precedent you would be setting before you start begging for bans.
Skip trash / tanking adds away from the boss == sniping raid boss from outside the map while the boss stays still and can't do anything. Also, taking a shortcut route through the lava is totally the same as skipping over invisible walls to go into a chessboard land to walk around a raid.
A magnificent comparison.
And whatever that illambris thing is, if it involves killing the boss without the boss actually doing something/not entering combat, yea ban em, why not.
A rose is a rose....is a rose.
It's exploiting despite whatever excuses or fancy intellectualizing you managed to come up with. Because you are salty some dudes exploited their way to Dro'Mathra Destroyer is your personal issue. ZOS should not heed something because you are angry. Asking for punishment that does not follow suit for like exploitation in the game is nothing more than a testament to the meteoric rise of salt levels.
Ok let me elaborate then on the ridiculous comparisons you make in order to justify exploiting.
1. Skipping trash in any dungeon is not exploiting. Dungeons like Elden Hollow and city of ash even have mutliple routes, so you always skip trash. Or are the people not going back to kill everything exploiting? Also, they stay WITHIN the designed mapspace which is totally different than actually leave the map space.
2. Taking the adds on Hiath to the back of the room is exploiting because? Off-tanking is an exploit now? Staying within the designated battle arena is an exploit? "Hey guys, we designed this arena for you, but don't go to the back, that's exploiting!".
3. Whatever that ilambris thing is, if it involved bugging the boss in walls or making him stuck out of combat, yes that is exploiting and yes that should be bannable.
TOS:
You agree not to use any Service to:
Promote, upload, transmit, encourage or take part in any activity involving hacking, cracking, phishing, taking advantage of exploits or cheats and/or distribution of counterfeit software and/or Virtual Currency or virtual items. In an effort to continuously improve the Services, You and other players discovering exploits, cheats, cracks or other inconsistencies are required to report them to ZeniMax;
In addition, ZeniMax reserves the right to restrict, suspend or terminate these Terms of Service and Your Account immediately and without notice to You if (i) You breach these Terms of Service
I don't like it at all that people exploited this, but I have the TOS to backup exploiting should be a banable offence. You on the other hand, just do it because you have a personal problem with me voicing it.
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Lukums1✭✭✭✭reapthetempestrwb17_ESO wrote: »
Lol so misinformed you are...
The groups got twins down and guess what. They sent their sorcs up and around to kill the last boss while the others remained in the arena...
So yes, a lot of people got titles and skins...PS4 Yellow Scum Dominion
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✭✭✭✭✭reapthetempestrwb17_ESO wrote: »
Lol so misinformed you are...
The groups got twins down and guess what. They sent their sorcs up and around to kill the last boss while the others remained in the arena...
So yes, a lot of people got titles and skins...
You know its hard to feel much sympathy. The competitive integrity of PvP has long been destroyed. This game originally had the potential to be an e-sport in PvP. But then ZOS let the quality down, allowed PvP to rot in 10FPS for half a year and then allowed ACTUAL CHEATERS, not just exploit users, back into the game after they were caught actually using cheat engine. Cheat engine also allowed people to cheese maelstrom and get weapons.
I'm sorry that the PvE community had the integrity of a very difficult challenge corrupted by this exploit but PvE leaderboards have been cheesed before. Certain guilds have bought and sold runs and exploits.
I think its time for all of us, PvP and PvE to come to the conclusion that there is NO real integral competitive endgame environment for either of us in Elder Scrolls Online. This game lacks the quality, integrity, and developer desire to sustain an endgame PvE or PvP community. ZOS cannot provide us with an exploit free, cheater free, or even bug/lag free environment that is essential for competitive hardcore PvE/PvP.
If you want some perspective, League of Legends has 150 champions and immediately suspends them for competitive play if there is a known bug or glitch. Meanwhile ZOS struggles to balance just four classes. I can't think of a PvE Example but I'm sure there is one out there.
This game will forever be a casual game unless there is some severe changes in upper management. Trying to play this game at a competitive or hardcore level will only result in frustration.
This next patch I think I will be converting into a casual carebear. You are all welcome to tea parties at my house.Edited by Yolokin_Swagonborn on January 24, 2017 2:43AM7 -
Lukums1✭✭✭✭Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »reapthetempestrwb17_ESO wrote: »
Lol so misinformed you are...
The groups got twins down and guess what. They sent their sorcs up and around to kill the last boss while the others remained in the arena...
So yes, a lot of people got titles and skins...
You know its hard to feel much sympathy. The competitive integrity of PvP has long been destroyed. This game originally had the potential to be an e-sport in PvP. But then ZOS let the quality down, allowed PvP to rot in 10FPS for half a year and then allowed ACTUAL CHEATERS, not just exploit users, back into the game after they were caught actually using cheat engine. Cheat engine also allowed people to cheese maelstrom and get weapons.
I'm sorry that the PvE community had the integrity of a very difficult challenge corrupted by this exploit but PvE leaderboards have been cheesed before. Certain guilds have bought and sold runs and exploits.
I think its time for all of us, PvP and PvE to come to the conclusion that there is NO real integral competitive endgame environment for either of us in Elder Scrolls Online. This game lacks the quality, integrity, and desire to sustain an endgame PvE or PvP community. ZOS cannot provided us with an exploit free, cheater free, or even bug/lag free environment that is essential for competitive hardcore PvE/PvP.
If you want some perspective, League of Legends has 150 champions and immediately suspends them for competitive play if there is a know bug or glitch. Meanwhile ZOS struggles to balance just four classes. I can't think of a PvE Example but I'm sure there is one out there.
This game will forever be a casual game unless there is some severe changes in upper management. Trying to play this game at a competitive or hardcore level will only result in frustration.
Well said, which I agree with fully...PS4 Yellow Scum Dominion
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Magicka Temp - 482k Score
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https://www.twitch.tv/videos/181142505
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S1ipperyJim✭✭✭✭✭Lol so misinformed you are...
The groups got twins down and guess what. They sent their sorcs up and around to kill the last boss while the others remained in the arena...
So yes, a lot of people got titles and skins...
Ah OK I didn't know that, so they did 3/4 legit then exploited the last boss. Kinda sad as they could have simply pushed on if they got that far and beaten it legit. Stupid really as the skin is for bragging rights but everyone in their group/guild knows it was from cheating for it.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭reapthetempestrwb17_ESO wrote: »Lol so misinformed you are...
The groups got twins down and guess what. They sent their sorcs up and around to kill the last boss while the others remained in the arena...
So yes, a lot of people got titles and skins...
Ah OK I didn't know that, so they did 3/4 legit then exploited the last boss. Kinda sad as they could have simply pushed on if they got that far and beaten it legit. Stupid really as the skin is for bragging rights but everyone in their group/guild knows it was from cheating for it.
Well, if that's true, they kinda cheated themselves. A group that is organized enough to kill the twins is capable of killing the last boss after some practice.
Its actually very satisfying to kill Rakkhat/Rakkhat hm for the first time, but those guys will know that they've just exploited it.
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✭Simple solution for the ongoing debate in this thread, where everyone loses, but yet their egos be satisfied:- Buff Lava in CoA to the point that two half second ticks cause a damage of of over 41000
- Introduce a mechanic on the twins that makes them invulnerable when they are close together (Good luck trying to use terrain now)
- Introduce a massive global DOT whenever the adds are moved away from the main boss (have fun killing now)
If someone is telling to not create a precedence for this, then at least consider what they are talking about.
I am completely against exploits, but I see prudence in ZOS, when they elect to ban or not ban. It's their choice after all.
You may be addicted to their product, you maybe good at it, but neither do you own it, nor did you create it. If you are capable of creating then stop playing this game and come back when made your own creation. You elitists speak only from your own narrow and selfish perspective, you are just an addict and not a business that is looking to grow.
They will never perma-ban when they see an exploit due to a fatal flaw in their design (We are all humans and mistakes happen, if you are some elitist who is perfect then please leave this world, no one is perfect here, this is just how our imperfect world is).
Further you are not entitled to any information about the action they will take against their customers. You are no better or worse than another player for ZOS, we are all customers of ZOS, we are playing their game, you dont earn achievements, they just let you use them till they think its time. Check TOS.
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