Why is nobody talking about the rakkhat cheese

ManwithBeard9 · January 2017

magnusthorek wrote: »

What exactly is the exploit? There are so many it's hard to keep track...

From what been posted in the thread, leaving the map in MoL and attacking Rakkhat while out of bounds.

Junipus · January 2017

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

The Uninvited wrote: »

I just exploited the hell out of a ham/cheese sandwich. Glitched right down my troath. Does that count?

Ouch, if you glitched it through your throat, it might end up in your lungs! Be careful!

Working as intended

RazorCaltrops · January 2017

It is easy to research and find out how it works. But taking action for developers is somehow too hard.

LadyNalcarya · January 2017

RazorCaltrops wrote: »

It is easy to research and find out how it works. But taking action for developers is somehow too hard.

Lol, if thats actually an "out of the map" exploit...
It was found out and reported a long time ego, at least 6 months or so (at least thats when I've heard about that). And apparently its still not patched? All it would take was to place some invisible walls here and there, thats it.

o0Velius · January 2017

The way I see it; is that everyone is going to complain about something; if it isn't this its pvp.
And there are players out there that don't like to play games legit, and for those of us who do and for those of us who have
earned every right to show our skins and titles off; you have the ones who get it to get it; you have the ones who pay 4m for an instance or a run through. you have the people who will exploit every aspect of the game.

So us; sitting here complain about something that they will eventually fix, just like they fixed the vDSA one.. yeah may have taken awhile, may have been tell the next biggest patch but it get fixed. things like this take time; just putting up "invisible" walls is not as easy as it actually sounds. Then to top it off they have to make sure their efforts to blockade these exploits work before they even send it out to the actual game itself.

So the way I see it, is keep doing what you're doing; if it isn't effecting you're group, your play style, or your game then why bother what some low lvl CP is doing to cheat the game. vMoL is one of the best Raids in the game one I spent months working toward my skin and goals of learning every mechanic in it. However this is not the end of the world, for those of us who put this work in. It maybe a kick in the butt, however not the end of the world; we still know we completed it legit we still know we went through the hardships and annoyance of the mechanics.. we still know we learned our own ways if not the same ways to get past every boss and add pull in there.

What did they do? They went through and walked on the outside of the map, or whatever you guys are saying their doing and skipped to the last boss, but tell me could they go back in and complete this Raid; and enjoy the content, or know that they completed it with hard work? No because they Glitched or they Spent 4m to get carried on last boss.. so let's be honest; us arguing over something that will be fixed is pointless. We are all end game raiders here, we shouldn't be fighting over something they will fix when half of us have done it legit to begin with. and there is no actual proof that this exploit is real.

Dread_Viking · January 2017

and hear i worked so hard to get my skin

mewcatus · January 2017

Not condoning the cheaters, but I did like to point out that hard work doesn't necessarily pay out in the end. Just look at cows, they produce milk 24/7, then get slaughtered at the end for their meat. Is it fair for them?

And it is alright for someone to pay with in game gold to get the skin with others doing the heavy lifting yet its not okay when some chooses to use alternative way to get it. Is that not self contradictory ? Is moral correctness justified when a monetary price is paid ?

LadyNalcarya · January 2017

mewcatus wrote: »

Not condoning the cheaters, but I did like to point out that hard work doesn't necessarily pay out in the end. Just look at cows, they produce milk 24/7, then get slaughtered at the end for their meat. Is it fair for them?

And it is alright for someone to pay with in game gold to get the skin with others doing the heavy lifting yet its not okay when some chooses to use alternative way to get it. Is that not self contradictory ? Is moral correctness justified when a monetary price is paid ?

Exploiting is wrong, no matter what. And those who are trying to justify it, are supporting something that destroys the game. This exploit doesnt affect economy, for example, but acceptance of those things causes every exploit to go viral... 2 mundus bug, survey bug, trade bug, etc.
Your analogy is just stupid. Lets put it this way: there's a local football competition with some fancy prizes. If you dont play football at all, would it be ok to steal the prizes?

mewcatus · January 2017

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

mewcatus wrote: »

Not condoning the cheaters, but I did like to point out that hard work doesn't necessarily pay out in the end. Just look at cows, they produce milk 24/7, then get slaughtered at the end for their meat. Is it fair for them?

And it is alright for someone to pay with in game gold to get the skin with others doing the heavy lifting yet its not okay when some chooses to use alternative way to get it. Is that not self contradictory ? Is moral correctness justified when a monetary price is paid ?

Exploiting is wrong, no matter what. And those who are trying to justify it, are supporting something that destroys the game. This exploit doesnt affect economy, for example, but acceptance of those things causes every exploit to go viral... 2 mundus bug, survey bug, trade bug, etc.
Your analogy is just stupid. Lets put it this way: there's a local football competition with some fancy prizes. If you dont play football at all, would it be ok to steal the prizes?

Football eh? Do urself a favour. Google "Hand of God Goal" and see if that is fair ? I like to remind you this is a international game, with the title on the line, well documented and with video proof in history. I am not condoning cheating, but don't put on rose tinted glasses expecting hard work with equivalent pay outs every single time. It just doesn't happen.

DRXHarbinger · January 2017

Ok so update,

The glitch does work and yes you can cheese the 1st boss without him attacking you, not saying how but it works, the twins room you cannot get to easy at all without aggroing all the mobs.

Rakkat is a difficult one, sometimes the wall for the back room is still in the way and no way in.

I've managed to get in, requires 2 people, once to initiate the fight and one to wait by the back door.

Hard mode can be activated but I have no idea how to land a hit without him aggroing on you, if anyone knows PM

Other than that whole groups are unlikely to do this, one you HAVE to be a sorc, and you aren't doing the fight without a tank and healers, the only possible way is for 12 sorcs to get to the last trash pack and win, hope the portal appears for change outs...again this is far fetched,

this is a lot of worrying over something that is extremely hard to do and tons and tons of aggro. I do not actually believe Rakkhat can be killed without aggro, if anyone knows I'm happy to test and put it out on here for zos to shut the game down for a day to fix it.

Chests can be looted too.

LadyNalcarya · January 2017

mewcatus wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

mewcatus wrote: »

Not condoning the cheaters, but I did like to point out that hard work doesn't necessarily pay out in the end. Just look at cows, they produce milk 24/7, then get slaughtered at the end for their meat. Is it fair for them?

And it is alright for someone to pay with in game gold to get the skin with others doing the heavy lifting yet its not okay when some chooses to use alternative way to get it. Is that not self contradictory ? Is moral correctness justified when a monetary price is paid ?

Exploiting is wrong, no matter what. And those who are trying to justify it, are supporting something that destroys the game. This exploit doesnt affect economy, for example, but acceptance of those things causes every exploit to go viral... 2 mundus bug, survey bug, trade bug, etc.
Your analogy is just stupid. Lets put it this way: there's a local football competition with some fancy prizes. If you dont play football at all, would it be ok to steal the prizes?

Football eh? Do urself a favour. Google "Hand of God Goal" and see if that is fair ? I like to remind you this is a international game, with the title on the line, well documented and with video proof in history. I am not condoning cheating, but don't put on rose tinted glasses expecting hard work with equivalent pay outs every single time. It just doesn't happen.

You are supporting cheaters by saying so.
Yes, hard work doesnt pay off sometimes. But its still not ok.
Rose tinted glasses? Ok, according to your logic, if some people break the laws, nothing should be done about that because theres always someone who does that?
But the thing is, if breaking the rules is generally supported and arent punished, there will be much more people who do that. And eventually it will hit you.

Isellskooma · January 2017

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Ok so update,

The glitch does work and yes you can cheese the 1st boss without him attacking you, not saying how but it works, the twins room you cannot get to easy at all without aggroing all the mobs.

Rakkat is a difficult one, sometimes the wall for the back room is still in the way and no way in.

I've managed to get in, requires 2 people, once to initiate the fight and one to wait by the back door.

Hard mode can be activated but I have no idea how to land a hit without him aggroing on you, if anyone knows PM

Other than that whole groups are unlikely to do this, one you HAVE to be a sorc, and you aren't doing the fight without a tank and healers, the only possible way is for 12 sorcs to get to the last trash pack and win, hope the portal appears for change outs...again this is far fetched,

this is a lot of worrying over something that is extremely hard to do and tons and tons of aggro. I do not actually believe Rakkhat can be killed without aggro, if anyone knows I'm happy to test and put it out on here for zos to shut the game down for a day to fix it.

Chests can be looted too.

I'm pretty sure you only need 1 sorc to do it, idek how it works but that's what I heard in area chat. One sorc and everyone can get to the last boss. But idk.

DRXHarbinger · January 2017

Isellskooma wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Ok so update,

The glitch does work and yes you can cheese the 1st boss without him attacking you, not saying how but it works, the twins room you cannot get to easy at all without aggroing all the mobs.

Rakkat is a difficult one, sometimes the wall for the back room is still in the way and no way in.

I've managed to get in, requires 2 people, once to initiate the fight and one to wait by the back door.

Hard mode can be activated but I have no idea how to land a hit without him aggroing on you, if anyone knows PM

Other than that whole groups are unlikely to do this, one you HAVE to be a sorc, and you aren't doing the fight without a tank and healers, the only possible way is for 12 sorcs to get to the last trash pack and win, hope the portal appears for change outs...again this is far fetched,

this is a lot of worrying over something that is extremely hard to do and tons and tons of aggro. I do not actually believe Rakkhat can be killed without aggro, if anyone knows I'm happy to test and put it out on here for zos to shut the game down for a day to fix it.

Chests can be looted too.

I'm pretty sure you only need 1 sorc to do it, idek how it works but that what I heard in area. One sorc and everyone can get to the last boss. But idk.

No. You don't get the portals appear unless you kills the packs of trash or a boss. So either everyone glitches over to it or it won't happen.

Isellskooma · January 2017

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Isellskooma wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Ok so update,

The glitch does work and yes you can cheese the 1st boss without him attacking you, not saying how but it works, the twins room you cannot get to easy at all without aggroing all the mobs.

Rakkat is a difficult one, sometimes the wall for the back room is still in the way and no way in.

I've managed to get in, requires 2 people, once to initiate the fight and one to wait by the back door.

Hard mode can be activated but I have no idea how to land a hit without him aggroing on you, if anyone knows PM

Other than that whole groups are unlikely to do this, one you HAVE to be a sorc, and you aren't doing the fight without a tank and healers, the only possible way is for 12 sorcs to get to the last trash pack and win, hope the portal appears for change outs...again this is far fetched,

this is a lot of worrying over something that is extremely hard to do and tons and tons of aggro. I do not actually believe Rakkhat can be killed without aggro, if anyone knows I'm happy to test and put it out on here for zos to shut the game down for a day to fix it.

Chests can be looted too.

I'm pretty sure you only need 1 sorc to do it, idek how it works but that what I heard in area. One sorc and everyone can get to the last boss. But idk.

No. You don't get the portals appear unless you kills the packs of trash or a boss. So either everyone glitches over to it or it won't happen.

Ah ok

mb10 · January 2017

can someone explained what happened please?
Us console folk are confused atm

JamieAubrey · January 2017

I should go and get this skin and title while its still active

DRXHarbinger · January 2017

mb10 wrote: »

can someone explained what happened please?
Us console folk are confused atm

You can glitch all the way to rakkhat if you're a sorc. But that's it so far. No evidence of anything else thus far.

Beware13 · January 2017

This is absolutely ridiculous. Seriously ZOS, SERIOUSLY? I have to bite my tongue because I just want to go bat sh** crazy right now. I understand not every bug will be caught in testing but have a little quicker reaction time.

You barely have any competitive factors in this game. Yeah you have the Emp leaderboards which people enjoy to climb the ranks of for all the PVPers and for PVE we have going for scores, our titles and the skin. That's it, that's all the competitiveness in this freaking game.

How many raiding guilds have spent countless hours with blood, sweat and tears to complete vMoL and HM? How many have struggled for months to complete it? I've seen guilds fall apart over completing this trial because it's suppose to be a challenge.There's barely anything in this game that "means anything" anymore. Hard content that you're proud of beating? Oh let's nerf that so the filthy casuals can complete it with minimal effort (like WGT, City of Ash and ICP).

This is in insult to your core players, to the ones who spend MONEY on ESO plus to do this trial. I feel like I've been slapped in the face hearing that people are exploiting this to get the skin/title. For me personally, we were first vMoL completion on console and we spent hours and hours and hours learning the mechanics since this was before any guides or videos were out, just like the people in Hodor and Mundus were spending hours on end to do that same. We basically lived in vMoL because it was the only actually hard, interesting, challenging PVE content there was to do.

BUT NOW?!?! People can exploit to do what we spent months on?!? And what the heck are you going to do about it Zenimax? "Wait to fix it next incremental patch"?? Just like you did when vMoL was COMPLETELY UNPLAYABLE FOR MONTHS ON END FOR XBOX PLAYERS BECAUSE OF THE MEMORY LEAK INSIDE IT. We couldn't even go into the trial to complete hardmode. Like why are we even paying for ESO Plus when the content is so freaking broken?

Please I am begging you; take the DLC down and fix it FAST or roll it back or do whatever you have to do. If you sit here and do nothing and keep the trial up, you literally are spitting in the face of all raiders who worked hard for the skin and title. I highly doubt anyone will complain if you take it down, but think you your main players this one time.

Tyrion87 · January 2017

I'm not sure what shocks me more right now: the exploit itself or no official statement from the devs so far...

Junipus · January 2017

mewcatus wrote: »

Not condoning the cheaters, but I did like to point out that hard work doesn't necessarily pay out in the end. Just look at cows, they produce milk 24/7, then get slaughtered at the end for their meat. Is it fair for them?

And it is alright for someone to pay with in game gold to get the skin with others doing the heavy lifting yet its not okay when some chooses to use alternative way to get it. Is that not self contradictory ? Is moral correctness justified when a monetary price is paid ?

*singing* Take me down to analogy city where the grass is green like a leprechaun's pubes, oh won't you please take me home

Marabornwingrion · January 2017

Tyrion87 wrote: »

I'm not sure what shocks me more right now: the exploit itself or no official statement from the devs so far...

They probably have no idea how to fix this, that's why they are quiet.

ManwithBeard9 · January 2017

Tyrion87 wrote: »

I'm not sure what shocks me more right now: the exploit itself or no official statement from the devs so far...

They normally don't publicly address exploits until they have them fixed so less people try it.

DRXHarbinger · January 2017

Astrid_V wrote: »

Tyrion87 wrote: »

I'm not sure what shocks me more right now: the exploit itself or no official statement from the devs so far...

They probably have no idea how to fix this, that's why they are quiet.

2 words.

Invisible wall.

Add one that's about 3M long in a certain spot and it'll never happen again.

andreasranasen · January 2017

7 pages and still 0 proof! SHOCKING

SanTii.92 · January 2017

andreasranasen wrote: »

7 pages and still 0 proof! SHOCKING

Why you think you are in any place to demand proof? Glitch works, believe it or not, no one cares.

Runs · January 2017

Astrid_V wrote: »

Tyrion87 wrote: »

I'm not sure what shocks me more right now: the exploit itself or no official statement from the devs so far...

They probably have no idea how to fix this, that's why they are quiet.

andreasranasen wrote: »

7 pages and still 0 proof! SHOCKING

The method of doing it was posted in here and has been removed. After having been told what the exploit is, it should be an easy fix.

GCVDJ11T · January 2017

@ZOS_GinaBruno . @ZOS_JessicaFolsom , @ZOS_RichLambert , @ZOS_Finn

Fix BOTH EXPLOITS then strip all skins, strip the HM title and wipe the vMoL leaderboard!

No one and I mean no one who has cleared this Legit would care. We will all get our skin back in 30 minutes. Woeler's and Alcast's teams will have their HM titles back in like an hour along with all the other raiders that have cleared this without the exploits.

The fact that my raid team has been working hard progressing on vMoL HM to learn that other's do this %@%$#^%@ and have it just blows my mind!

Either that or admit the fact that you see the raiding community as 1% of your population and that we don't matter.

and YES I'm %@^!! Off right now!

Liofa · January 2017

Ok . After hours of research , I managed to learn how to do it . See below .

git gud you damn scrub

Beware13 · January 2017

GCVDJ11T wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno . @ZOS_JessicaFolsom , @ZOS_RichLambert , @ZOS_Finn

Fix BOTH EXPLOITS then strip all skins, strip the HM title and wipe the vMoL leaderboard!

No one and I mean no one who has cleared this Legit would care. We will all get our skin back in 30 minutes. Woeler's and Alcast's teams will have their HM titles back in like an hour along with all the other raiders that have cleared this without the exploits.

The fact that my raid team has been working hard progressing on vMoL HM to learn that other's do this %@%$#^%@ and have it just blows my mind!

Either that or admit the fact that you see the raiding community as 1% of your population and that we don't matter.

and YES I'm %@^!! Off right now!

I 100% agree. The actual raiders who have completed this legitimately will just complete it again, easy as that.

DRXHarbinger · January 2017

GCVDJ11T wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno . @ZOS_JessicaFolsom , @ZOS_RichLambert , @ZOS_Finn

Fix BOTH EXPLOITS then strip all skins, strip the HM title and wipe the vMoL leaderboard!

No one and I mean no one who has cleared this Legit would care. We will all get our skin back in 30 minutes. Woeler's and Alcast's teams will have their HM titles back in like an hour along with all the other raiders that have cleared this without the exploits.

The fact that my raid team has been working hard progressing on vMoL HM to learn that other's do this %@%$#^%@ and have it just blows my mind!

Either that or admit the fact that you see the raiding community as 1% of your population and that we don't matter.

and YES I'm %@^!! Off right now!

Chill. There is no proof it exists. I've tried and tried and yes you can get to the boss. No doubt. You cannot get there without being a sorc. Fact.

At present you cannot fight rakkhat with aggro.... meaning it cannot be done.