why nerf trainee

lucky_Sage · January 2017

your trying to make magdks stack max magicka but nerfed the only way for it to be done without double baring destroy for pvp which sucks cause we cant go 5-5-2

lucky_Sage · January 2017

an all heavy armor sets that a good for magdk give spell dmg

stam build have draugr hulk which you get more stam than you would get with robes of destruction mastery and you don't have to use a specific weapon to get it no sacrifices for stam to puch max stam

kkravaritieb17_ESO · January 2017

I agree the trainee nerf was so unnecessary and nobody asked for it really. When are the devs ever going to listen...

Taleof2Cities · January 2017

Look! Another complaint thread from end game players ...

... when the set is designed for new characters.

When is that slice of the player-base ever going to listen??

lucky_Sage · January 2017

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Look! Another complaint thread from end game players ...

... when the set is designed for new characters.

When is that slice of the player-base ever going to listen??

@Taleof2Cities

I'm more complaining about not having a proper max magicka set that doesn't force you to use destro staff or use a pet

Gothren · January 2017

lucky_Sage wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Look! Another complaint thread from end game players ...

... when the set is designed for new characters.

When is that slice of the player-base ever going to listen??

@Taleof2Cities

I'm more complaining about not having a proper max magicka set that doesn't force you to use destro staff or use a pet

they are already in the game. im not helping. you find out on your own.

gothickaiserub17_ESO · January 2017

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Look! Another complaint thread from end game players ...

... when the set is designed for new characters.

When is that slice of the player-base ever going to listen??

Does the nerf to this set do any favors to new players who have bothered to hunt it down?

Or because of a handful of players are making an unintended use out of an item (Historically considered a good thing in games), of which none of them are on the top or the best (so it doesn't out do the meta) just being clever and playing the way they thought would be most interesting (the whole "play your way" thing they had been spouting about eso)

Hybrid builds tend to need this and Tri-stat runes in all slots to even be viable (and they are not that good still)

lucky_Sage · January 2017

Gothren wrote: »

lucky_Sage wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Look! Another complaint thread from end game players ...

... when the set is designed for new characters.

When is that slice of the player-base ever going to listen??

@Taleof2Cities

I'm more complaining about not having a proper max magicka set that doesn't force you to use destro staff or use a pet

they are already in the game. im not helping. you find out on your own.

there isn't a g@Taleof2Cities r sets that give atleast max magicka more than ounce so any other way if wanting to run 5-5-2 is nothing best you could do is 5 spinners wich is still light armor 2 grothgar and 3 grace of aciants and 2 willpower but not heavy armor and if you go against a purma blocker spinners 5 piece becomes usless

MLGProPlayer · January 2017

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Look! Another complaint thread from end game players ...

... when the set is designed for new characters.

When is that slice of the player-base ever going to listen??

MMOs need to be balanced around endgame.

This is why FPS, RTS, and MOBAs balance around performance at high levels of play. This is where the potential of something is utilized to its fullest. Only when something is being fully utilized can you determine if it's too strong or too weak.

zyk · January 2017

It's threads like this that cause the devs to tune out our reasonable concerns.

Trainee is objectively OP. Its 5 piece bonus is the equivalent of more than 7 standard set bonuses where the 5 piece bonus other sets such as Hundings, Julianos, Hulking Draugr, and others provide the equivalent of appoximately 2.3 bonuses of a standard size.

Berenhir · January 2017

zyk wrote: »

It's threads like this that cause the devs to tune out our reasonable concerns.

Trainee is objectively OP. Its 5 piece bonus is the equivalent of more than 7 standard set bonuses where the 5 piece bonus other sets such as Hundings, Julianos, Hulking Draugr, and others provide the equivalent of appoximately 2.3 bonuses of a standard size.

That comparison is flawed. ESO heavily punishes players for not stacking one stat, so you can't compare evenly distributed attributes to sets that focus on stacking one damage source.

Stamden · January 2017

zyk wrote: »

It's threads like this that cause the devs to tune out our reasonable concerns.

Trainee is objectively OP. Its 5 piece bonus is the equivalent of more than 7 standard set bonuses where the 5 piece bonus other sets such as Hundings, Julianos, Hulking Draugr, and others provide the equivalent of appoximately 2.3 bonuses of a standard size.

1. If they're going to nerf it, they need to do so while adding traits to it

2. Even if they do add traits, it was way overnerfed. 1200? Bringing it down to 2k would have been fine.

luen79rwb17_ESO · January 2017

Trainee was OPee according to ZOS. Should read developer notes where it says it's meant to be a noobie set

kkravaritieb17_ESO wrote: »

I agree the trainee nerf was so unnecessary and nobody asked for it really. When are the devs ever going to listen...

Just wondering, how are they gonna listen if "nobody asked for it"...?

zyk · January 2017

Berenhir wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

It's threads like this that cause the devs to tune out our reasonable concerns.

Trainee is objectively OP. Its 5 piece bonus is the equivalent of more than 7 standard set bonuses where the 5 piece bonus other sets such as Hundings, Julianos, Hulking Draugr, and others provide the equivalent of appoximately 2.3 bonuses of a standard size.

That comparison is flawed. ESO heavily punishes players for not stacking one stat, so you can't compare evenly distributed attributes to sets that focus on stacking one damage source.

In PVE, yes. In PVP, no. Most players I know are adding health. Good players, at least. 2.6 is very bursty and 2.7 will be too. Trainee allows players to add health and stam/magicka without sacrificing damage.

I think a lot of players probably don't realize that max magicka and max stamina contribute to damage. Because of how CP buffs attributes, max stam/magicka bonuses add very close to the same damage as weapon/spell damage bonuses.

I agree that the trait restriction should be lifted because the changes balance the set.

I use this set. I like it a lot. It will suck to lose it. but it's obviously OP.

Riggsy · January 2017

This set was great for hybrid builds. Not so much anymore - and it was far from being OP.

RouDeR · January 2017

Change the 2 3 4 with recoveries and leave the 5 bonus around 2000 , dont kill hybrids ...

DemonDruaga · January 2017

And again to grind a new setup.. after I reach my intended alliance rank on my dk, i'll make it a pve tank and never think about pvp again.. lucky me that i have sorcs and nb's ready to go for it.

stevepdodson_ESO888 · January 2017

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Look! Another complaint thread from end game players ...

... when the set is designed for new characters.

When is that slice of the player-base ever going to listen??

ZOS reaction and the reason for the nerf was basically this set was being "abused/exploited" by end game players...so in that respect it is perfectly reasonable for them to nerf the set the way they did

now that they included their reasoning for changes in the latest patch notes it help people to see why some things were needed

in the same way that they needed to nerf Tremorscale and explained that it was really designed to add some versatility to Tanking, but instead ended up being "abused/exploited" (in this case in PvP)

so what it boils down to is that if sets were used for their intended purpose (e.g. Trainee for new players/chars) then nerfs would not be necessary half the time

raj72616a · January 2017

it's not meta BiS for any build so how is it OP? it's the only good set for hybrid, so if they have the nerf the only deceny hybrid set, are they finally going to buff pelinal aptitude?

Sugaroverdose · January 2017

stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Look! Another complaint thread from end game players ...

... when the set is designed for new characters.

When is that slice of the player-base ever going to listen??

ZOS reaction and the reason for the nerf was basically this set was being "abused/exploited" by end game players...so in that respect it is perfectly reasonable for them to nerf the set the way they did

now that they included their reasoning for changes in the latest patch notes it help people to see why some things were needed

in the same way that they needed to nerf Tremorscale and explained that it was really designed to add some versatility to Tanking, but instead ended up being "abused/exploited" (in this case in PvP)

so what it boils down to is that if sets were used for their intended purpose (e.g. Trainee for new players/chars) then nerfs would not be necessary half the time

Yeah, trainee made from best in slot for openworld pvp mDK to useless crap by one change, tremoscale with they're 10% damage reduction still procs with 50% chance every 4 seconds and apply 70% snare(which is the same as root-but you cannot roll-dodge from it) to players for almost ten seconds, holy f, so equal.