Serana and the rest of the Volkihar clan are bad examples for the average expectation of vampires in ESO. They're extremely powerful vampires and get their power directly from Molag Bal. The vampire lords most likely do not have the same vulnerabilities as the run of the mill vampire who basically just has a disease.

A few things from a long time Vampire ...

- I live at stage 4 and have fed less than 5 times in a year. I only did it to check out some new updates and to see the animation.
- The downside of stage 4 seems much bigger, from what I've seen, to people who don't play a Vamp then to the actual Vamp. As a Magplar I soloed Maw of the Infernal a few days ago and he's as firey as any character. I truly don't notice the 25% extra fire damage.
- Mist Form is life. I cannot explain how much Mist Form helps in PVP, and even in PVE as a magic based Rapid Manuevers.
- Undeath might be the game's best passive. This cannot be undersold. It puts the breaks on damage just enough to allow for a Breath of Life. Undeath and Mist Form, alongside a few other tricks, allow me to disregard Impen gear and focus on damage.
- Health Regeneration doesn't matter much for a Magplar.

I can't speak much on many other classes but Vampire fits a Magplar like a glove. Also, I see a WW about once a week in Cyrodiil. They are like unicorns at this point.

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

I can't speak much on many other classes but Vampire fits a Magplar like a glove. Also, I see a WW about once a week in Cyrodiil. They are like unicorns at this point.

By which you mean, "in Cyrodiil, and unusually homicidal?"

Nope you already get the passive damage reduction without any ability being slotted. Werewolf needs to bring back the passive stam regeneration.

Waffennacht wrote: »

The difference between predators and parasites: Parasites do not kill the host, that is all.

My vampire always kills his victims, guess that make him a predator.

Waffennacht wrote: »

The difference between predators and parasites: Parasites do not kill the host, that is all.

https://parasiteecology.wordpress.com/2014/02/05/predator-vs-parasite-vs-parasitoid/
Biology ftw.

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

The difference between predators and parasites: Parasites do not kill the host, that is all.

My vampire always kills his victims, guess that make him a predator.

No, that makes him a psychopath. Feeding doesn't kill the victim.

So are you saying if a vampire drained someone of all of their blood they wouldn't die? despite the fact that a person needs blood to live.

Yeah, but you're not draining them of all their blood. You're taking some, and then beating them with sharp pointy things until they stop screaming and twitching. That's different.

Undead starving to death, do you even look at the nonsense you're writing?

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Undead starving to death, do you even look at the nonsense you're writing?

Death here is a relative term. I guess if you want to get technical with the parlance the correct term is destroyed. But destruction doesn't have to be the only relative 'death' for vampires. They could be rendered totally immobile until they are fed (virtually indistinguishable from dead) or they could simply turn to dust after not feeding for an extremely long period of time.

starkerealm wrote: »

While this is true. The other side of it is, there's no mention of vampires dying from starvation. Getting driven mad, sure. As far as I can remember, they don't even go into some kind of torpor. There's other examples, like the Vampires in the Mehrune's Razor DLC for Oblivion. Serana just sticks out as an example where a vampire's been unfed for an extended period of time. There's also an open question with Vyrthur, because it's not clear if he's been feeding or not.

I have no idea if her not going crazy is a byproduct of her status as a Daughter of Coldharbour, or if it's because she stayed sane through sheer willpower (which could also be how she survived becoming a Daughter of Coldharbour in the first place.)

There are unanswered questions, but not a lot suggesting that vampires starve to death if left entombed.

It could be different among strains. The Volkihar strain may just not need to feed. The other strains might not either. It's murky territory. Driven mad might be what the relative 'death' is here. But in any case, it's unclear.

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Which strain of vampire becomes an emo?

The ones that don't watch American football, the Jersey Shore, or really any basic cable show. Also the ones that don't become hipsters.

Emencie wrote: »

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

Having either affliction should bring REAL penalties, that impact all the time.

We've seen this back at launch, and the problem with this for WW is simple.

WW do not get the benefits of being a WW at all times. So giving them a penalty at all times becomes a situation where getting the WW form becomes a self nerf.

WW cannot use synergies, they cannot res, their blocking ability is severely hampered, their self healing is magica based and no where near as powerful as other builds. They are not the best tanks or dps. And the WW ultimate is flat out not the best dps ulty you can have.

So with that in mind, becoming a WW was a situation where you can now use a sub par ultimate that will take away a ton of your utility, damage, and perhaps survivability. And now you get a permanent debuff at all times. It was a dark time for WW.

So?

If you don't like the downside of being afflicted with a supernatural curse don't become a Werewolf.

Simples.

On balance the benefits/costs of being Werewolf or Vampire should even out at being on par with being neither. As it is right now "normals" are at a distinct disadvantage, and that means both Vamp and WW need a nerf.

All The Best

If you have sufficient self heals, can manage fire damage half decently and are not a werewolf, there really is no reason NOT to be vamp.

mann9753b16_ESO wrote: »

regeneratio ...and a little damage reduction that only kicks in when you are in execute range anyway...

I absolutely agree with this one. This passive is mostly useless. If you ever find yourself that low health you're pretty much done anyway.

That active skills need some work definately. Mist form with Morphs are ok, but the Drain Essence skill, i can't find any use for whatsoever. 3sec channel, for a little bit of Damage and HP, you can lose more in that time.

But overall, the benefits of a bit more Magicka regen/stamina regen, for a bit of weakness is fair. But the active skills and the Undeath Passive needs some rework, to be more useful.

mann9753b16_ESO wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

I didn't even read your post since theres very little downside to being a vampire. I'm sure everyone else in cyrodil backs me up on that one

So... taking 25% more damage from a damage source that is used by 80% of all people in PvP and having reduce HP regeneration is no big downside?

Again, compare it to WW: You take more poison damage, and thats it. Poison damage is nearly nonexistant in comparison to fire damage.

Death recap: Poison Injection, Poison Injection, Poison Injection, Viper Sting and Poison Injection.