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Four Dollars For A Fancy Cup
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Totes-Bode✭✭✭Totes-Bode wrote: »Totes-Bode wrote: »You can just make the item. You'd only be spending crowns on it if you didn't want to bother to get the blueprint to make it yourself.
@Totes-Bode
It looks like you only read the title, my friend! I go into the price for making it yourself as well, pointing out that the material costs of the furniture are grossly high, especially since they require multiple rare items and that the base material themselves (Heartwood, Regulus, etc.) are also rare drops. I had my based covered, you trust.
No, i read the post you made. I disagree that the material cost should be lowered. I would like something to work toward for once instead of instantaneous gratification.
Ah, you could have made that clearer, then. The thing is, though, that even with lowered costs you'd still have to put in hundreds of hours of effort to get enough materials to furnish a manor. Unless you want to grind for hundreds of hours just to be able to fully furnish a small house, and just write off furnishing the larger ones as impossible. Is that more what you were talking about? Because after testing the drop chances on materials, remembering that most crafting nodes are mutually exclusive, and calculating how much time it would actually take to get everything together, I think most of us here agree that the current grind reaches into "literally not possible" territory, and has nothing to do with instant gratification.
My guild is going to use a manor for a Guild Hall. Guildmates can send their mats to the guild master who owns the house and that person will quickly make whatever is needed for the hall. What does one person need with a MANOR anyway? Personally, I'm excited as heck to make the house furnished. For me, this will be way more fun than grinding the same trials over and over again.
If i see you in game, i'll send you any blueprints I have duplicates of. best wishes!1 -
wiz12268b14_ESO✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »
Can't wait to see the memes generated by those price tags when they finally announce them (and I wouldn't be surprised to see higher numbers).
Edit: It just dawned on me that people might take out mortgages for purchasing virtual real estate.
My estimates:
Crown store exclusive houses: 20,000 crowns
Decorated manor: 13,000 crowns
Undercoated manor: 11,000 crowns
Decorated large house: 9,000 crowns
Undercoated large house: 7,500 crowns
Decorated medium house: 5,500 crowns
Decorated medium house: 4,000 crowns
Decorated small house: 2,500 crowns
Undercoated small: 1,500 crowns
Prices will also largely depend on how well the elk mount sold. I believe that was ZOS' way of testing to see how high of a price they can get away with on a crown store item. If sales weren't so hot, housing crown store prices will be lower.
You can probably double those. I fully expect a manor to be AT LEAST 12 months worth of sub crowns which is 18K, But I think it will actually be more than that, my estimate based on several factors would be two years worth of sub crowns. Because 18K crowns is 'only' around 131 dollars (using 5500@ 39.99 as benchmark) And even though there is no definitive gold to real money exchange they do exist in the black market. And 3.75 million gold is around 400 bucks. So looking at all the factors even 36K crowns (2 years worth of sub crowns) for a manor would be 'cheap' to some people. It would still be around half what a gold seller would charge for the gold and it wouldnt have the inherent issues buying gold would have.
I also expect (or they would be smart to) introduce a new tier of crowns in the store, A 15000 (or knowing them 14500) for 99.99. Release that with the update and in conjunction with a 40 (50 would be better) percent off crown sale.
So then youre 36K manor (my guess) costs you 3 of the new crown packs @ 59.99 each and you have 9K crowns left over to decorate it.
If I was marketing this release that is what I would do. But they know how far they have to go to entice people better than me. So they probably know they dont have to be too generous. But with the way this seems to be received (luke warm at best) I suspect theyre erring on the side of more rather than less.
I am just basing this scenario on what it would take for me, a guy who hasnt played in two years who came back JUST to check out housing and was completely underwhelmed by it, to come back and put some money into the game. But even then I probably wouldnt go crazy and if they do introduce a new tier of crowns I am not sure the first thing I spent them on would be a house with about zero functionality.
But then again that might be by design and might be a reason why my estimates are over blown.Lack of functionality greatly reduces their 'value'. But due to in game gold prices that argument isnt all that logical.3 -
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✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »DeadlyRecluse wrote: »DeadlyRecluse wrote: »The cup in question, with banana for scale.
Dang, I really need that cup now. BRB buying crowns.
Seriously that's 4 dollars in crowns? Like, I was planning on using crowns to decorate, but I was expecting things like that to be more in the range of 50 cents. Any way someone could post the PTS prices for those of us who do not indulge in that storied land...
@DeadlyRecluse I don't have a complete list but in general the most basic things of White quality (including most rocks and plants) are 10 Crowns, somewhat nicer Green-quality items are 50 Crowns, Blue items (getting into some truly cool stuff) is 150 Crowns, and Purple items are 400 Crowns, but this goes for all purple items no matter how big they are. That fancy cup costs exactly as much as an enormous Nibenese fancy column. It just seems like the pricing in need of a serious round of fine-tuning.
@Recremen Ah, I see. So would it be fair to say that overall the crown prices are reasonable (whatever that means) on furnishings, but some items just feel like they are in the wrong category? But if I wanted to buy a bunch of basic building components, I'll be in the 10-50 crown range?
You can buy building materials from in-game merchants.
Fantastic. Time to start planning a shed to keep unruly guildies in.Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub1 -
Recremen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Totes-Bode wrote: »Totes-Bode wrote: »Totes-Bode wrote: »You can just make the item. You'd only be spending crowns on it if you didn't want to bother to get the blueprint to make it yourself.
@Totes-Bode
It looks like you only read the title, my friend! I go into the price for making it yourself as well, pointing out that the material costs of the furniture are grossly high, especially since they require multiple rare items and that the base material themselves (Heartwood, Regulus, etc.) are also rare drops. I had my based covered, you trust.
No, i read the post you made. I disagree that the material cost should be lowered. I would like something to work toward for once instead of instantaneous gratification.
Ah, you could have made that clearer, then. The thing is, though, that even with lowered costs you'd still have to put in hundreds of hours of effort to get enough materials to furnish a manor. Unless you want to grind for hundreds of hours just to be able to fully furnish a small house, and just write off furnishing the larger ones as impossible. Is that more what you were talking about? Because after testing the drop chances on materials, remembering that most crafting nodes are mutually exclusive, and calculating how much time it would actually take to get everything together, I think most of us here agree that the current grind reaches into "literally not possible" territory, and has nothing to do with instant gratification.
My guild is going to use a manor for a Guild Hall. Guildmates can send their mats to the guild master who owns the house and that person will quickly make whatever is needed for the hall. What does one person need with a MANOR anyway? Personally, I'm excited as heck to make the house furnished. For me, this will be way more fun than grinding the same trials over and over again.
If i see you in game, i'll send you any blueprints I have duplicates of. best wishes!
Ha ha fair enough, can't argue with that kind of generosity.Men'Do PC NA AD Khajiit
Grand High Illustrious Mid-Tier PvP/PvE Bussmunster0 -
willlienellson✭✭✭✭✭Totes-Bode wrote: »My guild is going to use a manor for a Guild Hall. Guildmates can send their mats to the guild master who owns the house and that person will quickly make whatever is needed for the hall. What does one person need with a MANOR anyway?
Your guild isn't called the USSR by any chance is it?3 -
MarrazzMist✭✭✭✭Don't buy a fancy cup from crown store. If you have buy something, buy a canoby bed or large table or anything that costs less crowns (and less material if you do it yourself) and makes your house look lot fancier.
As far as I've seen all gold furniture are mostly small, misc and a bit funny. Fancy vampire coffin may have been most meeningful. You can have them for just having legendary furniture piece in your house, otherwise you won't need it.Edited by MarrazzMist on January 15, 2017 6:47AM0 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »
Can't wait to see the memes generated by those price tags when they finally announce them (and I wouldn't be surprised to see higher numbers).
Edit: It just dawned on me that people might take out mortgages for purchasing virtual real estate.
My estimates:
Crown store exclusive houses: 20,000 crowns
Decorated manor: 13,000 crowns
Undercoated manor: 11,000 crowns
Decorated large house: 9,000 crowns
Undercoated large house: 7,500 crowns
Decorated medium house: 5,500 crowns
Decorated medium house: 4,000 crowns
Decorated small house: 2,500 crowns
Undercoated small: 1,500 crowns
Prices will also largely depend on how well the elk mount sold. I believe that was ZOS' way of testing to see how high of a price they can get away with on a crown store item. If sales weren't so hot, housing crown store prices will be lower.
Can I get my username changed to Nostradamus?2 -
willlienellson wrote: »Totes-Bode wrote: »What does one person need with a MANOR anyway?
Cuz i saved the entire world and i want my reward dangit, im having a manorhouse.0 -
S'yn✭✭✭For my solution to ZOS's housing prices, I propose a simple solution- skip this patch all together.
I know that sounds harsh, but let's review the facts:
ZOS is a for-profit company. Many ESO players do not have recurring subscriptions, ie. ZOS isn't getting paid by these people.
ZOS needs to recoup some development costs on the housing system they implemented, which we did collectively ask for, BTW- fair enough.
The hope for ZOS is to drive people to the crown store first, not have them actually acquire all these things through "free play" activities. They only make money if people use the crown store, especially if they don't subscribe.
If no one buys the houses or furniture from the crown store, do you think the response will be to raise prices or lower them? They are not going to recover a penny if no one pays up. The digital work is already done at this point, it's not like they're re-inventing the wheel. They are just going to have to deliver that content for reasonable fee instead of a crazy-town price.
My proposed compromise to ZOS is this: Leave the current pricing for housing and furniture as it is, BUT, reduce the cost of purchases and crafting furniture by 40-50% for paying subscribers. I know what you're all thinking- S'yn, that's so unfair! Is it? There is nothing stopping you from obtaining those items by paying NOTHING, but you're going to have to dedicate a lot of time to do it that way. ZOS is trying to make money, they're a business. If most of the player base is sub'ed, they have a steady revenue stream to keep delivering good work. If they're pay-outs are project based and deadline oriented, ie. They have to crank out any kind of DLC and hope people buy into it, you get work that is sub-optimal. For long term revenue, you do better pushing folks to sub through enticement.
Here is a simple business model everyone can wrap their heads around: FAST, CHEAP, OR GOOD- PICK ANY TWO! This is simply reality in most business practices. fast+cheap=not good, fast+good=not cheap, cheap+good=not fast.
Personally, I prefer my gaming content delivered fast and good. I know that means it won't be cheap. I can accept that. The problem for ZOS is that many of the player base wants all three, and you just can't have it.1