Recremen wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

The cup in question, with banana for scale.

Dang, I really need that cup now. BRB buying crowns.


Seriously that's 4 dollars in crowns? Like, I was planning on using crowns to decorate, but I was expecting things like that to be more in the range of 50 cents. Any way someone could post the PTS prices for those of us who do not indulge in that storied land...

DeadlyRecluse I don't have a complete list but in general the most basic things of White quality (including most rocks and plants) are 10 Crowns, somewhat nicer Green-quality items are 50 Crowns, Blue items (getting into some truly cool stuff) is 150 Crowns, and Purple items are 400 Crowns, but this goes for all purple items no matter how big they are. That fancy cup costs exactly as much as an enormous Nibenese fancy column. It just seems like the pricing in need of a serious round of fine-tuning.

@Recremen Ah, I see. So would it be fair to say that overall the crown prices are reasonable (whatever that means) on furnishings, but some items just feel like they are in the wrong category? But if I wanted to buy a bunch of basic building components, I'll be in the 10-50 crown range?

Basically yes, though I'm still loath to spend four bucks on something that isn't, like, actually attached to the character. It's one thing if it's a fancy hat or adornment or hair style since your character is always in view, but on furnishings? I'm not too keen on that price. I'm keen on the idea in general, but I guess we'll see how it all pans out. I suppose I'm mostly glad that none of it is in the gambling boxes.

You forgot "yet" at the end of that.

Recremen wrote: »

I suppose I'm mostly glad that none of it is in the gambling boxes.

Yet...

All of the prices, and crafting requirements are just nuts.

The insane requirements for items:
A Decorative Purple level PIE requires among other things: 60 Nickel, a Kuta.
What good is a Decorative Purple Level PIE?

Hundreds and hundreds more mats you need to save up to craft with no place to put it. This is attempt at getting players to sub for crafting bag storage.

Prices on some mats will skyrocket.
Mats will be harder to find in the world as more players are wanting them.

majulook wrote: »

All of the prices, and crafting requirements are just nuts.

The insane requirements for items:
A Decorative Purple level PIE requires among other things: 60 Nickel, a Kuta.
What good is a Decorative Purple Level PIE?

Hundreds and hundreds more mats you need to save up to craft with no place to put it. This is attempt at getting players to sub for crafting bag storage.

Prices on some mats will skyrocket.
Mats will be harder to find in the world as more players are wanting them.

It's actually just as bad for those of us WITH the Craft Bag, since it's requiring just plain more material than we ever could have been saving, plus a huge amount of new, rare-drop crafting material that we have no chance of gathering right now. Like yeah, I get it, they want people to be able to do long-term projects, but even all the construction requirements dropped and there was a 100% drop rate on the new materials like Heartwood, we'd still take a while to decorate the larger houses.

Example: I only have 788 Moonstone in my craft bag, but let's say I have the super ambitious goal of fully decorating a tiny apartment, which lets you place 100 items, and I want to do it all in the Khajiit style. Sorry, the lowest number of Moonstone you need for a Khajiit item is 15, and all the good stuff requires over 40. So even if I just built a bunch of the lowest-quality things, that's 1500 Moonstone I need, which is DOUBLE what I have. Again this is for an apartment, which I don't think is unreasonable to want to be able to decorate a few days after Housing drops. Let's just forget the entirely ridiculous cost to make things in terms of other new materials, like Bast, Decorative Wax, and Regulus, none of which can be obtained yet, all of which are rare drops from their respective nodes, and for which you need up to double-digit copies just to build, let's say, that fancy cup I've been referring to this whole time. That level of grinding isn't a fun thing, it's incredibly frustrating.

The whole system is designed to make money off of whales and lonely RPers. What do you expect?

Furniture is going to be pretty expensive and time consuming in game to push people into the crown store. That was the plan all along.

I will buy the cheapest house for 1 target dummy.

Houses are purely cosmetic and it is awfully sad that we are not getting real content. I guess future content will continue this trend and be hugely crown store focused. Housing is the perfect system.

Wizzo91 wrote: »

The whole system is designed to make money off of whales and lonely RPers. What do you expect?

Furniture is going to be pretty expensive and time consuming in game to push people into the crown store. That was the plan all along.

I will buy the cheapest house for 1 target dummy.

Houses are purely cosmetic and it is awfully sad that we are not getting real content. I guess future content will continue this trend and be hugely crown store focused. Housing is the perfect system.

I can believe whales going for the current Crown Store prices on decorations, but I find it harder to believe that regular folk will buy much from it, as, like I said before, even with the high material cost many of the items are not competitively priced in the Crown Store. Also housing isn't only cosmetic, it has huge social appeal, even for high-end PvP/PvE types like Sypher and Alcast. Check out some of their videos, they really seem to have a blast with it! I'm just anticipating this not being especially blastacular on live due to the poor cost choices.

I've been saving for Daggerfall manor, but all this complex furniture cost is really just turning me off. Sure, I'm one to argue earning your stuff, but when furniture becomes more costly than armor, seems like a pointless grind.

It is a nice cup.

But I think i'll be drinking straight from the bottle...

AdamBourke wrote: »

It is a nice cup.

But I think i'll be drinking straight from the bottle...

Sorry, wine bottle is also $4, or you can build one for

11 Alchemical Resin
6 Mundane Rune
9 Decorative Wax
35 Nickel

Cheers!

aldriq wrote: »

Well, dip me in alchemical resin and throw me to the skeevers!

I don't even understand how can they put white quality items in the crown store. The crown store is meant for nice things! I'd say blue but come on, green quality at least. All white furnishings should be available for gold at the home goods merchant, relatively cheaply (and so should be cheaply crafted) so any citizen of Tamriel could realistically afford them.

It should naturally come down to quality and design that no hero of Tamriel would want the white items but for the briefest of emergencies... green, blue and purple items would be the ones actively sought after, crafted and purchased.

This game truly makes the economy the most fantastical element by far

Most plants are white quality, as are most rocks and other such objects. I could totally see someone shelling out a dollar to get ten of them. They're huge, often beautiful, and add a lot of atmosphere. You can still buy them with in-game gold, of course, but I'm sure the option is nice.

You can just make the item. You'd only be spending crowns on it if you didn't want to bother to get the blueprint to make it yourself.

Recremen wrote: »

Totes-Bode wrote: »

You can just make the item. You'd only be spending crowns on it if you didn't want to bother to get the blueprint to make it yourself.

@Totes-Bode

It looks like you only read the title, my friend! I go into the price for making it yourself as well, pointing out that the material costs of the furniture are grossly high, especially since they require multiple rare items and that the base material themselves (Heartwood, Regulus, etc.) are also rare drops. I had my based covered, you trust.

No, i read the post you made. I disagree that the material cost should be lowered. I would like something to work toward for once instead of instantaneous gratification.

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

The cup in question, with banana for scale.

Dang, I really need that cup now. BRB buying crowns.


Seriously that's 4 dollars in crowns? Like, I was planning on using crowns to decorate, but I was expecting things like that to be more in the range of 50 cents. Any way someone could post the PTS prices for those of us who do not indulge in that storied land...

White = 10 crowns
Green = 50 crowns
Blue = 150 crowns
Purple = 400 crowns

lygerseye wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Lukums1 wrote: »

Called it, 10,000 crowns for manor easily.

(I'm just being doom and gloom sorry)

Considering 4500 for a mount, 400 for a tiny cup, I expect 15000 Crown or more for the largest homes.

Can't wait to see the memes generated by those price tags when they finally announce them (and I wouldn't be surprised to see higher numbers).

Edit: It just dawned on me that people might take out mortgages for purchasing virtual real estate.

My estimates:

Crown store exclusive houses: 20,000 crowns
Decorated manor: 13,000 crowns
Undercoated manor: 11,000 crowns
Decorated large house: 9,000 crowns
Undercoated large house: 7,500 crowns
Decorated medium house: 5,500 crowns
Decorated medium house: 4,000 crowns
Decorated small house: 2,500 crowns
Undercoated small: 1,500 crowns

Prices will also largely depend on how well the elk mount sold. I believe that was ZOS' way of testing to see how high of a price they can get away with on a crown store item. If sales weren't so hot, housing crown store prices will be lower.

Totes-Bode wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Totes-Bode wrote: »

You can just make the item. You'd only be spending crowns on it if you didn't want to bother to get the blueprint to make it yourself.

@Totes-Bode

It looks like you only read the title, my friend! I go into the price for making it yourself as well, pointing out that the material costs of the furniture are grossly high, especially since they require multiple rare items and that the base material themselves (Heartwood, Regulus, etc.) are also rare drops. I had my based covered, you trust.

No, i read the post you made. I disagree that the material cost should be lowered. I would like something to work toward for once instead of instantaneous gratification.

Housing isn't the focus of this game. You shouldn't need to spend hundreds of hours grinding in order to furnish your house when you already need to spend hundreds of hours grinding for gear.

Housing was supposed to be a relaxing distraction, not another vMA-esque grindfest.