Wow, some people are senseless/clueless

anitajoneb17_ESO · January 2017

First of all, if you have expectations, don't PUG.

Second... health points seem to be considered a waste by many players - especially highly skilled players. The result is that other, not so skilled players follow the trend and put really everything in stam/mag, and end up as low as 15K health. But since they don't have the required level of skill and situational awareness, they end up being a weight for the whole team. Also they tend get one-shot more often than not and blame the tank or the healer. Some argue "yeah but I'm playing with shields", but recasting a shield every 6 seconds is cutting quite heavily into the DPS. I prefer to sit on 18-19K, makes things more comfortable. A dead DPS is a DPS with zero DPS, after all.

Third... CP levels and trial titles mean nothing. CP levels indicate playtime, not experience. Trial titles is a result of a team effort where you may, or may not have carried your own weight.

I'm not saying they were right or wrong to kick you before even letting you try. I'm just saying that your 2+2 in this case doesn't necessarily equal 5.

modaretto · January 2017

darkllord wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

Yea I feel you OP, people are indeed clueless sometimes. As a cp256 tank I have done every single dungeon on vet mode. So this guy in zone says: "LF1M tank vICP hm, experienced only". So I respond to him for an inv. He invites me and asks, have you done dungeon X on vet before. I say yes I've done that one. He asks me "on vet as well?" So I'm thinking to myself what is this guy being difficult. So I'm typing my response: "Yes, of course why else would I respond to your zone message". So when I was somewhere in the middle of that sentence, he kicks me. I didn't even have the time to type my response. Seriously, people are so sad sometimes.

Yes - typical case of what i posted above you. Just plain noobs, who suck in this game and kicked you. Because they need at least CP700 in their party to feel safe.

As far as I understand they completed the dungeon 3 man while the op was afk. If they had no death I can understand why they didn't want to risk with someone who entered a dungeon queue and went afk. It can be about more than just 15k hp

Mojmir · January 2017

I feel awkward with hps under 17k but I've done it. Most dps I know run between 15 and 17k

Eisenrose · January 2017

If he runs with any kind of shields and a quick trigger finger, then I'd have no prob with his health pool. Heck most fights don't require a shield ability at all if you know the timing well enough to be able to run a dungeon in your sleep (I'm looking at you, CoA. Drop your damn necklace already).

Dasovaruilos · January 2017

I also have 15.8 k on my MagSorc with food and overland PvE gear and I'm CP 561. It is possible if you put everything into magicka/stam and don't have any gear with health buffs or health glyphs.

I did Mazzatun normal once with a guy with 11k health. I guess his food didn't buff health. As a healer I was very suspicious but the guy had shields up all the time and put great DPS. Some players can make this kind of thing work.

Molec · January 2017

SG_Celerrimus wrote: »

Some people in this came just seem to lack the ability to put 2 and 2 together and get 4 properly, or just common sense in generally.

Queued for a vet BC 2 for the pledge, wait a little while (Shave beard and grab a snack while waiting, you know how it goes), come back and just got in the dungeon. Get to the final boss because it was already in progress and the party lead and his friends/guildies ask me if I have eaten food, was sitting at 15.8k health. I said yea, and they instantly kick me, despite the fact I have full legendary NMG gear, all maelstrom weapons, and the vet SO title on. Its pretty damn common sense I know what I am doing and probably won't die.

Now I got 10 minutes to kill before I can requeue plus the queue time because some people lack common sense.

ESO has been simplified due to morons, it will continue to be simplified until you can achieve 25k dps spamming ambush in said dungeon!

BlackEar · January 2017

Love these threads.
Add me @BlackEar I dont care about people's CP. I just like to run pugs with people who know what they are doing.

darkllord · January 2017

Beardimus wrote: »

Two CP300's voted to kick a L10 out of a normal dungeon pug I was in the other day, before he even travelled. Considering you can solo them, I gave them grief about CP snobbery and said we'd be fine and got the guy thru who was very gratefull. And he didn't die once.

This sends pretty clear message. Even with 300+CP I suck so hard, that I´m not able to complete even normal difficulty dungeon.

pattyLtd · January 2017

darkllord wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Two CP300's voted to kick a L10 out of a normal dungeon pug I was in the other day, before he even travelled. Considering you can solo them, I gave them grief about CP snobbery and said we'd be fine and got the guy thru who was very gratefull. And he didn't die once.

This sends pretty clear message. Even with 300+CP I suck so hard, that I´m not able to complete even normal difficulty dungeon.

My guess is that It's really only a handfull of players that are capable of solo'ing all dungeons on normal difficulty let alone veteran. Yea FG1 sure and few others.

Especially those that come on here to whine about bad pug group and then claim they can solo them LOL, yea sure you can.

darkllord · January 2017

pattyLtd wrote: »

darkllord wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Two CP300's voted to kick a L10 out of a normal dungeon pug I was in the other day, before he even travelled. Considering you can solo them, I gave them grief about CP snobbery and said we'd be fine and got the guy thru who was very gratefull. And he didn't die once.

This sends pretty clear message. Even with 300+CP I suck so hard, that I´m not able to complete even normal difficulty dungeon.

My guess is that It's really only a handfull of players that are capable of solo'ing all dungeons on normal difficulty let alone veteran. Yea FG1 sure and few others.

Especially those that come on here to whine about bad pug group and then claim they can solo them LOL, yea sure you can.

I do not say, that they need to solo the content, but if they need full CP party for normal dungeon, they probably need to be carried and their skill is awfully low. Heck, I can do every normal dungeon with lvl 10 charcter with full group of lvl 10 characters anytime. Including ICP and WGT. If everybody in the party is familiar with dungeon mechanics and tactics, normal difficulty is EZ PZ. Having low lvl doesnt mean, that you are bad player and you never set foot in the dungeons. Fact, that you cant see CP on somebodys alt doesnt mean, that they can´t have 561 of them and be MUCH better player, than that 300CP, who is trying to kick you from group.

Izaki · January 2017

Lukums1 wrote: »

Out of pure curiosity.

You mentioned you had 15k hp with food on.

How is that possible at 160 cp +

Even with all stam/magicka enchants you should have something like 16-17-18.

Just curious.

Full medium armor. If you have undaunted 9, then you'd have 16k (2% increase). 15.8k is perfectly common for a stam DPS without TBS. Which is why most stam DPS put 4-10 points into health.

Beardimus · January 2017

I think it depends on the dungeon.. Some have mechanics you can't get around, but some normals, with self heals and good DPS its often just a matter of time on the bosses.

I haven't done one, I have farmed a couple of bosses over and over. I think completing vMSA puts you in a self sufficent position and after that more is possible.

My point was that on Normal, a 561, and 2 x 300 can complete a dungeon FOR SURE. this having a L10 along is not a problem. Let's help the guy.

I feel 1 decent 561 can get any group thru a Normal. A pucker healer can keep most alive. A pucker tank can draw the heat while low level DPS chip away, a pucker DPS can replace the need for a tank maybe even healer if they can kill the bosses quick enough.

Thus booting low level guys is dumb. I mean they could have 561CP who knows!

Like I said, everyone give everyone a chance. No death run i appreciate would make that tough, but give it a chance, or at least ask.

pattyLtd · January 2017

This thread is not about low level players getting kicked but low health max level ones

@Beardimus I agree with you, i start to think my previous post sounded wrong or something.

darkllord · January 2017

Beardimus wrote: »

I think it depends on the dungeon.. Some have mechanics you can't get around, but some normals, with self heals and good DPS its often just a matter of time on the bosses.

I haven't done one, I have farmed a couple of bosses over and over. I think completing vMSA puts you in a self sufficent position and after that more is possible.

My point was that on Normal, a 561, and 2 x 300 can complete a dungeon FOR SURE. this having a L10 along is not a problem. Let's help the guy.

I feel 1 decent 561 can get any group thru a Normal. A pucker healer can keep most alive. A pucker tank can draw the heat while low level DPS chip away, a pucker DPS can replace the need for a tank maybe even healer if they can kill the bosses quick enough.

Thus booting low level guys is dumb. I mean they could have 561CP who knows!

Like I said, everyone give everyone a chance. No death run i appreciate would make that tough, but give it a chance, or at least ask.

120% Agree

Izaki · January 2017

A. 15.8k health. Its the normal health value for CP561 with CP150 blue food, with no health percentage modifiers (undaunted, heavy armor, etc. => none of which are usually used on a stam DPS) or points/sets that boost your base health.
B. If you can do Flawless vMA on a stam toon with 15.8k health, you're fine for ALL vet dungeons. Even vDSA is fine.
C. In trials on the other hand, 15.8k health is suicide. Put around 6 points into health. Even if you run TBS, the extra health is always nice. Also 1 heavy piece is 6% more health and 4% stam (undaunted and heavy armor passives) traded for 2% crit and 3% cost reduction => its totally worth it on a stam build.

magnusthorek · January 2017

People don't know you are squishy like a juice box when wearing NMG

Dev · January 2017

well i dunno, if your at 15.8k with blue food (health & main stat) that is a bit low. You might want to look into infused head/body/pants and go with hakejos (tri-stat prismatic glyphs).

Not going to say it was right to kick you, but i can see the possible reasons. Low health normally means new player, more often then an actual elite superstar, and since you joined in progress, we can only assume that they were having a bad day already.

pattyLtd wrote: »

My guess is that It's really only a handfull of players that are capable of solo'ing all dungeons on normal difficulty let alone veteran. Yea FG1 sure and few others.

Especially those that come on here to whine about bad pug group and then claim they can solo them LOL, yea sure you can.

its not that difficult, i havent tried them all in 1tam yet, but some normal v1's like vaults, darkshade, crypt, coa, and fungle are doable. Tried wgt, but need to find a way to make a pet work. (The adjucator boss resets when i get locked in a cell, havent tried since the first time.) Only reason i know these specific dungeons so well.... training, prosperous,... yea... i hate rng.

FWIW: soloing them doesnt help the drop rate. You would be amazed how much of the game can be soloed if your masochistic/patient enough.

SolarCat02 · January 2017

My healer has 15.8k health fully buffed with food. My Trials group actually told me that my health was too high, but aside from switching to the Party Punch I don't really know how to lower it with any improvements to my build. My magicka pool is already over 37k, so...

In dungeons, I only take note of people's health if they are under 12k or if their health dips all over the place when fighting in spite of my best efforts. I do say something if the tank is below 25k health and we need a tank for that dungeon, but I won't kick unless it's clear someone can't do their role.

My healer does fine, and was even able to tank the last boss in vDSA without dying once (did let one of our dps die at the last minute right when the boss died or it would have been a no death final round, was a bit disappointed in myself there but stuff happens). She has also completed all the veteran Craglorn Trials, and the final bosses on all the veteran dungeons (although I still need to do the rest of Ruins of Mazzatun). So low health is very viable, if you know what you are doing. The trick is that so many people do not.

Iselin · January 2017

Lol... of all the things to kick someone for. Clueless is way too polite.

GreenhaloX · January 2017

To me, 15k health is quite low, but I wouldn't kick you out, though. I'm sure it's compensation for you having much higher stam or majicka and probably dishing out some good dps. Those guys are, I'm sure, not patience enough and think, because of your lower health, you would die more and someone would have to continuously revive you. It could also be, since you had queued in to the final boss, which most often times when that happens, the group was probably somehow dysfunctional from the start. Bickering, head-butting or the leader having egotistical or elitist attitude usually caused certain members of the original group to leave or get kicked out. So, I'm sure there were frictions and hot-headed going on prior to you joining in. Besides, vBC 2 is one of the easier vet dungeon and the last boss isn't even that difficult.

kylewwefan · January 2017

I random Vet CoA2 last night as DPS. Group was a CP 90 healer, CP 130 tank and 214 DPS. They were at the split before skoria. Tried twice and couldn't get past the multitude of atronach spawn. So, the best thing I could do was bail. I commend them for getting that far, but see no reasonable way this group is going to pass and beat Skoria.

LadyNalcarya · January 2017

@Browiseth wrote: »

15k hp hot damn

i wouldn't kick you but i'd definitely ridicule you behind your back

So that other group members will see your incompetence?

Why would you want to show it anyway?
There's only 2 reasons to do dungeons atm - undaunted grind or shoulders/helmets. And yeah, without undaunted bonus youll only have 16k-ish on a max cp char. But it doesnt matter for dungeons anyway... I got plenty of no-death vet dungeon achives while leveling undaunted on new chars and got my first vMA clear without undaunted rank 2 (that was back when vMA was more challenging than it is now).
Yes, there are clueless players that dont use food/whatever but after the first pull it becomes obvious.

jircris11 · January 2017

SirAndy wrote: »

SG_Celerrimus wrote: »

some people lack common sense.

"Common sense" needs to be renamed to "Uncommon sense" because in my personal experience, common sense is anything but common ...

common sense is a super power. only a select few have it now days.

Enslaved · January 2017

Actually, I got killed few days ago in PvP and enemy whispered me "why you had no food on lol".
I wish he told me that before he killed me, lol. My bad, was afk for few minutes and forgot to check food...

OrphanHelgen · January 2017

SG_Celerrimus wrote: »

Some people in this came just seem to lack the ability to put 2 and 2 together and get 4 properly, or just common sense in generally.

Queued for a vet BC 2 for the pledge, wait a little while (Shave beard and grab a snack while waiting, you know how it goes), come back and just got in the dungeon. Get to the final boss because it was already in progress and the party lead and his friends/guildies ask me if I have eaten food, was sitting at 15.8k health. I said yea, and they instantly kick me, despite the fact I have full legendary NMG gear, all maelstrom weapons, and the vet SO title on. Its pretty damn common sense I know what I am doing and probably won't die.

Now I got 10 minutes to kill before I can requeue plus the queue time because some people lack common sense.

Grabbing a snack yes. I understand that part. But how the H.. did you manage to be that long afk so they actually was at last boss? That's disrespectful. Grabbing a snack takes 1 min, that's basically the time it takes to get ported to the dungeon.

OrphanHelgen · January 2017

modaretto wrote: »

darkllord wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

Yea I feel you OP, people are indeed clueless sometimes. As a cp256 tank I have done every single dungeon on vet mode. So this guy in zone says: "LF1M tank vICP hm, experienced only". So I respond to him for an inv. He invites me and asks, have you done dungeon X on vet before. I say yes I've done that one. He asks me "on vet as well?" So I'm thinking to myself what is this guy being difficult. So I'm typing my response: "Yes, of course why else would I respond to your zone message". So when I was somewhere in the middle of that sentence, he kicks me. I didn't even have the time to type my response. Seriously, people are so sad sometimes.

Yes - typical case of what i posted above you. Just plain noobs, who suck in this game and kicked you. Because they need at least CP700 in their party to feel safe.

As far as I understand they completed the dungeon 3 man while the op was afk. If they had no death I can understand why they didn't want to risk with someone who entered a dungeon queue and went afk. It can be about more than just 15k hp

Also if they completed the vet dungeon the 3 of them in that "little" time op was afk, I'm pretty sure they know what they are doing as well.

GreenhaloX · January 2017

pattyLtd wrote: »

darkllord wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Two CP300's voted to kick a L10 out of a normal dungeon pug I was in the other day, before he even travelled. Considering you can solo them, I gave them grief about CP snobbery and said we'd be fine and got the guy thru who was very gratefull. And he didn't die once.

This sends pretty clear message. Even with 300+CP I suck so hard, that I´m not able to complete even normal difficulty dungeon.

My guess is that It's really only a handfull of players that are capable of solo'ing all dungeons on normal difficulty let alone veteran. Yea FG1 sure and few others.

Especially those that come on here to whine about bad pug group and then claim they can solo them LOL, yea sure you can.

Nahh.. not only a handful. Anyone with enough CPs that can be distributed to plus up their resistance (looking at least 60 a piece in Hardy and Elemental), good dpsing capability, having self-heal and some sort of damage absorbing shield, plus good health are capable of soloing any normal dungeons (and I'm sure certain vet dungeons.) However, except the ones that require another to disrupt when the boss having you in a crippling move (which there is no way to break free from, and only way is for another to disrupt or you'll just die.) For soloable normal dungeons (non-bosses with crippling move), at 400 CPs, you should be capable. 500 and up, you should be able to do it comfortably. Still, to me (soloable dungeon-wise), the one that sucks arse is fighting Selene. If you're having issues dpsing her (she's not that hard), her adds keeping respawning. When soloing it, you're forced to keep killing her adds, because if you just focus on Selene, those adds pommeling you, combined damages add up. I still think her fight is one of the rougher ones when soloing a dungeon.

Enslaved · January 2017

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

SG_Celerrimus wrote: »

Some people in this came just seem to lack the ability to put 2 and 2 together and get 4 properly, or just common sense in generally.

Queued for a vet BC 2 for the pledge, wait a little while (Shave beard and grab a snack while waiting, you know how it goes), come back and just got in the dungeon. Get to the final boss because it was already in progress and the party lead and his friends/guildies ask me if I have eaten food, was sitting at 15.8k health. I said yea, and they instantly kick me, despite the fact I have full legendary NMG gear, all maelstrom weapons, and the vet SO title on. Its pretty damn common sense I know what I am doing and probably won't die.

Now I got 10 minutes to kill before I can requeue plus the queue time because some people lack common sense.

Grabbing a snack yes. I understand that part. But how the H.. did you manage to be that long afk so they actually was at last boss? That's disrespectful. Grabbing a snack takes 1 min, that's basically the time it takes to get ported to the dungeon.

If this is sarcasm, than its ok.

zyk · January 2017

Browiseth wrote: »

15k hp hot damn

i wouldn't kick you but i'd definitely ridicule you behind your back

Some players can block and evade and therefore tank vet dungeons with 16k. Ridicule yourself.

ThePonzzz · January 2017

Enslaved wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

SG_Celerrimus wrote: »

Some people in this came just seem to lack the ability to put 2 and 2 together and get 4 properly, or just common sense in generally.

Queued for a vet BC 2 for the pledge, wait a little while (Shave beard and grab a snack while waiting, you know how it goes), come back and just got in the dungeon. Get to the final boss because it was already in progress and the party lead and his friends/guildies ask me if I have eaten food, was sitting at 15.8k health. I said yea, and they instantly kick me, despite the fact I have full legendary NMG gear, all maelstrom weapons, and the vet SO title on. Its pretty damn common sense I know what I am doing and probably won't die.

Now I got 10 minutes to kill before I can requeue plus the queue time because some people lack common sense.

Grabbing a snack yes. I understand that part. But how the H.. did you manage to be that long afk so they actually was at last boss? That's disrespectful. Grabbing a snack takes 1 min, that's basically the time it takes to get ported to the dungeon.

If this is sarcasm, than its ok.

If it was sarcasm, it was a failed attempt.