You really want that the only new "content" we get for the next couple of month is "ready" after a few days? Like thieves guild, soth?

Yes its is fun playing around with all items and it will be empty (when you dont buy a ready house by crowns) but for me its ok. My house will be a longterm project

I dont think it should be available at once.

But it should have enough there to be fun when it launches. And i dont think there is enough. People should want to spend a few hours playing with their new homes - and i think a lot of people will run out of things to do.

You should be able to fill it with cheap things to start with, and then get better things as you progress.

E.g. wooden plates cheaply on day one, metal plates after a couple of weeks, ceramic plates after a month or two, and glass plates after a year when you finally get that legendary recipe drop.

It just doesnt make sense for it to be such a grind when many of the objects are literally all over tamriel already... why do i need to go find a kuta when i could realistically just go and pick up that fancy cup from emerics house when no one is looking?

I don't think you're wrong about how it works, but I actually think that means I'll get more use from housing.

What can you do with a fully decorated house? Look at your decorations. Maybe move them around. Invite a friend to come and look at your decorations. Aside from the crafting stations and the training dummy you can't actually use any of the items (ok you can sit on a chair, which is an improvement over what we had before, but still) so a fully decorated house has very little use for anyone except role-players. (And even then there's only so much of a storyline that can take place inside your house, unless you're doing one of those murder mystery things where no one's allowed to leave until you've solved it.)

If I'm buying decorations bit by bit then immediately I've got more reason to visit because I'll have to go back every time I get a new item.

But it also means each item will be more significant to me. I tend to remember where I got things even if it's not directly related - like which quest finally gave me enough gold to afford an item. This way it can be like "I bought that chair with the gold from saving King Cassimir's life" (hey, did you hear I did that?) "I got the mats to craft this cupboard from running that new dungeon" and so on. It's another way to make the house and the stuff in it personal, vs. just a bunch of stuff which appeared when I bought the house.

If it were a truly decent (not even good) housing system you can spend hours and hours in it. Go ask the people in Rift how many hours they have messing with dimensions.

The speed at which you get decorations is moot its what you can do and the time it takes to get them all just right is what really should be the bulk of the time you spend with housing.

I know people will try to find any excuse they can to defend this update but as it stands housing is a complete waste of resources. Other than them getting the few whales who might still play the game to spend hundreds (if not north of a grand) of dollars to get all the houses through the crown store to get the achieves then buy up all the furniture they sell there as well. "Regular' players will get nothing, even if theyre subbed. Which sort of makes this game one that is best played for free and not worry about anything fancy.

I said it when they announced this was a 'free' update, it was going to be one that would cost more than it was worth, which is F2P 101. SO theyre putting a free to play cash grab into their buy to play, not so sub optional game. SO theyre getting everything they can out of it.

While companies obviously have to make money this one is going the simplistic route so many others have. But they see other games making money taking advantage of the player base those games have with their more money than brains players so theyre just following suit.

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

I'm just going to take my time with my house . If it takes a year to decorate ,mthen it takes a year . It's side content to me and nothing that needs completing ever .

That's how I feel too. Housing is going to be a long term thing for me and I will keep coming back to decorate when I get bored of other content. I can see myself putting days of gameplay into my house.

I'm all for housing being "long-term" (as in, not immediately gaining All The Things), but exactly how long are we talking here? Unless you're decorating with only a few large objects, we're talking about a ridiculous amount of work under the current system, to be honest. Every single fancy cup in your Altmer High-Dining experience is going to be hours of farming. How many place settings were you going for, again? Fifty? Yeah good luck. Oh also you still need to make the plates, utensils, food, decanters, etc. etc. Oh and you also need to learn the recipes for all of them. "Have fun!" Meanwhile you can make a rudimentary dueling arena or maze with just a few hundred wooden planks and rocks. While the material cost is still a bit ridiculous, that's at least somewhat more along the lines of what I was expecting from the system. Not literal years of grinding to flesh out a single idea.

Nothing says "Savior of Nirn" like living in abject poverty.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Fair points, @AdamBourke. Honestly, this is something we considered for quite a while, and wanted to make sure we struck a good balance of being able to have fun on day 1 while still introducing a rewarding system that would provide long-lasting enjoyment. Don't forget you will be able to find a lot of items from vendors and accolades on the first day - provided you have the appropriate amount of gold - and you can trade items with other players too!

Fair point, who needs chairs when you can buy thrones from the achievement vendors. A regular table? Not for me, thanks, I'll have the dragon shrine alter. And why would anyone want a gold cup when they can set out a touch of plague from Deshaan for their guests instead? There are also plenty of braziers for all of your lighting needs. Not sure what I'm going to use for a bed, but there must be something at the achievements vendor that will work if I rotate it the right way!

To OP or anyone who didn't see it yet, Deltia put up a list here: http://deltiasgaming.com/2017/01/07/eso-house-achievement (comments thread at https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/313511/housing-achievements-shown) now might be a good time to work on achievements to purchase these items when housing goes live.

MissBizz wrote: »

How long term are we talking Gina? Like really, I've been playing for over 2 years (3 come April) and there's no way I have enough mats leftover from outside normal use (I don't sell my mats.. ever) to fully furnish a medium sized house to my tastes.

On another note, the complete lack of previews for gold purchased/craftable items is almost scaring me away.

If I craft an item after I learn the design... I am essentially just throwing my mats away if I don't like the item. Why? Because once I actually place it to get a good look... it's bound.. so I can't sell it. Even worse, I can't deconstruct it, so there is 0 chance of getting any of those mats back.

OP - I actually pretty much had that talk with a friend earlier. It's fun and games on PTS.. but on live you likely won't know many recipes (they definitely seem rarer than provisioning recipes to me at least) and you need to burn a ton of mats just to see what the item looks like (let's ignore the whole fan based websites for a moment).

I'm a bit in the same boat, though I'm far and away more concerned with the Regulus, Heartwood, etc. costs than the lower-tier upgrade materials. It would be one thing if they actually dropped from every node (and in appropriate quantities), but you get at most one from every node (or two with that one Champion passive), but usually you get zero. At least with the honing stone and the rest you can just get all your alts trained up enough for top-tier hireling mails and log in every day, you'll have plenty real fast. Maybe not Kutas, but everything else comes regularly enough to furnish... idk a single large home, maybe. We'll see. But then you add the 11 Mundane Runes and the fact that they hardly ever drop, or heaven forbid all the recipes that require multiple types of the new material, and it starts grossing me out. Some grind is good, but too much grind is plain frustrating, especially with One Tamriel and the fact that there are no more low-pop zones to farm in. One Tamriel is great for everything except this exact problem.

Also for what it's worth I might be able to do some posts on the achievement decorations, since I have nearly every achievement required minus a few PvP and Craglorn ones. If there's enough interest then when my new computer comes in I'll figure out how to do video capture and all that nonsense and use the giant gold piles they give you on PTS to make it happen.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

How long term are we talking Gina? Like really, I've been playing for over 2 years (3 come April) and there's no way I have enough mats leftover from outside normal use (I don't sell my mats.. ever) to fully furnish a medium sized house to my tastes.

On another note, the complete lack of previews for gold purchased/craftable items is almost scaring me away.

If I craft an item after I learn the design... I am essentially just throwing my mats away if I don't like the item. Why? Because once I actually place it to get a good look... it's bound.. so I can't sell it. Even worse, I can't deconstruct it, so there is 0 chance of getting any of those mats back.

OP - I actually pretty much had that talk with a friend earlier. It's fun and games on PTS.. but on live you likely won't know many recipes (they definitely seem rarer than provisioning recipes to me at least) and you need to burn a ton of mats just to see what the item looks like (let's ignore the whole fan based websites for a moment).

We're actually working on a way to preview furniture. It's not currently on the PTS, but hope to get it implemented for launch.

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You just blew my mind Gina. I didn't think it would happen. Thank you! Hopefully it does make it for launch

Slurg wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Fair points, @AdamBourke. Honestly, this is something we considered for quite a while, and wanted to make sure we struck a good balance of being able to have fun on day 1 while still introducing a rewarding system that would provide long-lasting enjoyment. Don't forget you will be able to find a lot of items from vendors and accolades on the first day - provided you have the appropriate amount of gold - and you can trade items with other players too!

Fair point, who needs chairs when you can buy thrones from the achievement vendors. A regular table? Not for me, thanks, I'll have the dragon shrine alter. And why would anyone want a gold cup when they can set out a touch of plague from Deshaan for their guests instead? There are also plenty of braziers for all of your lighting needs. Not sure what I'm going to use for a bed, but there must be something at the achievements vendor that will work if I rotate it the right way!

To OP or anyone who didn't see it yet, Deltia put up a list here: http://deltiasgaming.com/2017/01/07/eso-house-achievement (comments thread at https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/313511/housing-achievements-shown) now might be a good time to work on achievements to purchase these items when housing goes live.

The problem with this is there's a separate and much lower limit on how many achievement items you can place. The medium house I've spent the most time with (Mournoth Keep) allows 200 normal decorations but only 10 achievement rewards, and only 3 collectables.

So you might be able to use them to substitute certain items but not all of them.

lordrichter wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

I'm a bit in the same boat, though I'm far and away more concerned with the Regulus, Heartwood, etc. costs than the lower-tier upgrade materials. It would be one thing if they actually dropped from every node (and in appropriate quantities), but you get at most one from every node (or two with that one Champion passive), but usually you get zero

I see this as part of the "drive people to the Crown Store" aspect of this. Ultra rare furniture materials while we are buried to our eyebrows in armor and weapon materials.

I have lost a lot of my enthusiasm over housing in the last few days, to the point where I cannot even get the energy to log into PTS. If I bought a house, it would just sit empty, so I really see no reason to bother.

I would feel the same way except that the Crown Store furnishings aren't even competitively priced, for the most part. $0.10 for a tree is totes fine, but $4 for a tiny cup is like, hella ridonculous. I'm totally fine with furnishings on the Crown Store, given that this is a free base-game update and nearly everything is available in-game, but I didn't expect the pricing to lack this much fine-tuning and I didn't expect the base-game procurement methods to be as bad as the Glass Motif grind. Even if the only change was to make Heartwood, Regulus, etc. drop from every node instead of every 10 nodes that would be a step in the right direction.

Wait, gold upgrade materials are used to craft furniture? I had no idea. This seems like a terrible idea. Why not just create a new item like "gold bar" and have it used to craft the furniture instead of already overpriced tempering alloys. You could have them drop from dungeon bosses to incentivize running them.