Azura's Star EU nearly free of lag for 6+ months, now it's back in force....

Derra · January 2017

Sanct16 wrote: »

Now about who to blame for lag, it is not like the only reason for 50+ zergs is the fact we farmed them too much. I agree that guild raids can make a big difference when it comes to performance but on Azura we mostly fight other guilds tbh and there is hardly any way to have good fights without a solid 12 man group. The only why it might not be laggy without us is because those 50 just kill their enemies quickly without a lot of resistance.
On TF you can easily play with a small group because you can just kite the pugs until only a moderate amount is left, but against guilds (even if they are more pugish than us) they will either all chase you or noone.

We can´t kite them anymore. Wrong classes. We simply fight until we get overwhelmed and die. Which is always going to happen sooner or later.
I still remember fights against bananas atleast where you were only running 8 ppl and in my mind it´s still banana = zergsqad.

The problem with highly organised groups of your kind is - like already stated. You don´t die fast enough. Whereas other groups of less organized players simply evaporate.

I believe removing camps again would help things just as much as putting a CD on soulgem rezzing (and getting rid of that stupid outpost respawn wtf zos).
Though i´d be more in favor of making soulgem rezzes cost 50% of your current magica and stamina aswell als 100% of your current (and the rezzed targets) ultimate.

Edit: I´d probably remove respawning in keeps completely. You have to spawn in the starting areas and have to use the porter system from there. That would give an active portchain more importance (outer keeps) and could go a long way in spreading players out.

Biro123 · January 2017

I've always suspected that its 3-way fights that contribute most to the lag.. Perhaps it just makes the server calculations that much more intensive - a kind of multiplying factor....

If zerg-squad are doing the same theing they do on Truflame - ie. jumping in the middle of DC/EP's fights - then I suspect it could well be having an impact.

btw. Why do you guys farm so much? Apart from crowning an Emp - as long as you have enough AP to buy whatever appears next on the golden vendor - what more do you need it for?

Decado · January 2017

Biro123 wrote: »

I've always suspected that its 3-way fights that contribute most to the lag.. Perhaps it just makes the server calculations that much more intensive - a kind of multiplying factor....

If zerg-squad are doing the same theing they do on Truflame - ie. jumping in the middle of DC/EP's fights - then I suspect it could well be having an impact.

btw. Why do you guys farm so much? Apart from crowning an Emp - as long as you have enough AP to buy whatever appears next on the golden vendor - what more do you need it for?

Apart from AP to buy gear/ bags and emp only thing left is a shiney title, although doesn't explain why grand overlords still run around farming lolm

Jam · January 2017

Biro123 wrote: »

btw. Why do you guys farm so much? Apart from crowning an Emp - as long as you have enough AP to buy whatever appears next on the golden vendor - what more do you need it for?

Because play map now is boring. Since now 3 years, Cyrodiil goals haven't changed... Oh sorry, there are towns now ! Thanks ZOS ! Objectives are too simples (and 80% of the map isn't used, there is so much to do).

And between playing organized group or AP farmer, our preference goes to the first. The AP gains are just the cause of our gameplay.

It would be just too simplistic, degrading, to think we're doing so much effort to play organized group to just collect APs...

Decado wrote: »

although doesn't explain why grand overlords still run around farming lolm

Players won't stop play their char because they reach overlords rank... Seriously...

Decado · January 2017

I didn't say playing their chars I said running around FARMING with max rank that word changes the meaning it the sentence ALOT since it was a question about WHY people AP FARM

Wollust · January 2017

Biro123 wrote: »

I've always suspected that its 3-way fights that contribute most to the lag.. Perhaps it just makes the server calculations that much more intensive - a kind of multiplying factor....

If zerg-squad are doing the same theing they do on Truflame - ie. jumping in the middle of DC/EP's fights - then I suspect it could well be having an impact.

btw. Why do you guys farm so much? Apart from crowning an Emp - as long as you have enough AP to buy whatever appears next on the golden vendor - what more do you need it for?

Would you be surprised if I tell you that we just want to have fun and enjoy the game?

kuro-dono · January 2017

i seriously would love to see eso pvp game turn into> n00bs only server and then pros only server. from n00b server you would be able to upgrade to pro server and wise versa.

Yesterday again got reminded about this, had new pugie join love raid. he said he disliked eso pvp alot since no matter what he does he either get instant gank bursted to death or aoe choo choo run over him. with love raid with starting numbers of 14 or 15 what we had at the beginning allowed him to actually see combat, he learned pretty fast to follow crown aswell and he understood where most of the guild raid heals and negates are. After that he slowly was able to contribute for fights too. Good part with love raid is that only few of my have aoe setup going on, while rest of them are more of typical ganker builts or tankys kind of. so that meant, when we met enemy raids, it was not over in flash. it took while. so the combats allowed ppl to have fun pvp:ing. At the end when i went to sleep he was very happy and delighted that he was allowed to join non pro raid and actually experience at somewhat awesome level action, sieging, wiping raids, wiping into raids and so on.

i enjoy zero when there is pros and these super gankers around. When zone whines that they getting farmed somewhere, i just tell mah bois> "ok folks! we go help those cute zone pugies at bleakers, or aleswell mine side, since nobody is reaching last emperor keep due to group of gankers. WE GIVE THEM HELL FOR ABUSING DAGGERFALL COVENANT CUTIES!

KisoValley · January 2017

What did I just read ^

Lieblingsjunge · January 2017

I just have a question for the people that questions AP-farming or a "I-dont-care-about-campaign"-attitude.

What do you gain from winning/caring about the campaign? A few K more gold from the Campaign reward mail & some more repair kits, if you win the campaign?

As long as you're within the top 2%(?) of the campaign listed as your home, you get GOlden Rewards. Fastest way to be in the Top 2%(?) is not capturing keep by keep by keep by outpost. But by AP-farming.

I don't want to seem rude or anything - I'msimply wondering why you think I should care about the campaign.

Decado · January 2017

Playing towards the campaign gives an objective to aim at, yes the rewards are *** but nobody does it for the rewards (or very little) and *** nobody cares if you win or lose it's the actual playing for it people enjoy,

I mean what do you gain from AP farming? Again there isn't really any massive reward for it, truth is there isn't a huge reward for playing the campaign OR AP farming, nobody has yet to explain why they AP farm even though it was asked earlier because I honestly don't get it you see these groups running around and around and around in circles spamming sap/destro ulti more sap and honestly It looks depressing lol

Again not being rude to you lieb just trying to answer and then ask the same of the other side etc

Lieblingsjunge · January 2017

Decado wrote: »

Playing towards the campaign gives an objective to aim at, yes the rewards are *** but nobody does it for the rewards (or very little) and *** nobody cares if you win or lose it's the actual playing for it people enjoy,

I mean what do you gain from AP farming? Again there isn't really any massive reward for it, truth is there isn't a huge reward for playing the campaign OR AP farming, nobody has yet to explain why they AP farm even though it was asked earlier because I honestly don't get it you see these groups running around and around and around in circles spamming sap/destro ulti more sap and honestly It looks depressing lol

Again not being rude to you lieb just trying to answer and then ask the same of the other side etc

I gain AP. Dyes by unlocking achievements. (Come on you can't say Legate black doesn't look hot af). I can use the AP for Motifs(500k motif =+-100k gold). Next patch they'll implement overland boxes & I also spent some AP on Desert Rose-boxes and Morag Tong-gambling.

I can't say anything about killing people, as I despise doing anything that's not healbotting(I can't stand watching my teammates die, okay? I'm responsible for them! Although they sometimes end up dying anyway. And I don't trust people to keep me alive so I do it myself

). I got a sap essence-spam character with destro ult, played her a few times. I do hate playing her, like... I hate it a lot.

About the objectives, with the Codex add-on you see your AP/H. That alone might be an objective to work towards, keep that as high as possible. I don't enjoy sieging, nor do Ienjoy watching pugs die to oil 'cus they don't know what a purge is. (They also don't seem to care if you try and mention it to them).

EDIT: By being outnumbered and still beating them, gives a hint of accomplishment & it's fun to see that you're able to pull off something like that. I think it's really fun tbh. But these are just my reasons, anyway.

Valencer · January 2017

If there's no groups on your alliance that actively play the map, it's very hard to actually have fun in that campaign outside of your own guild raids.

Ive lost count of the amount of times guild raids ended and I found myself looking at a Cyrodiil map where EP is once again pushed to Arrius and the only really accesible option for PvP is a zergfest between arrius and BRK lumber. I just leave Cyrodiil when that's the case because it's pointless.

Usually the alliance that has the most people playing the map is also the one with the highest overall pop. Alliances simply are more populated when people actually care about this sort of stuff, and the other alliances that dont usually end up suffering because theyre more likely to get outnumbered and zerged down (hey, most fights in cyrodiil are won through sheer numbers nowadays...). For instance, look at AD in PC EU Trueflame right now.

All good reasons to play the map imo, but people don't really seem to care much anymore either way.

Decado · January 2017

Honestly no I havnt seen the legate black I've played too many chars and spent too much time in PvE land to have a single char that high, so apart from the dyes I still don't get it Tbh I mean it's not difficult to get AP a normal solo session for me is about 100k AP I'm sitting on million of the stuff and I don't even attempt to go for it, so it in sitting on millions just casually running around the farmers must have more than they need for making gold (again not sure I made my gold through trading)

I get the feeling that for most (not all) apart from wanting the dye/title AP farming isn't actually s means to an end but the end itself, honestly I know some people get rather arrogant about the fact they farm noobs around resources and are completely toxic about it, probably these people who give all farmers a bad name

Infact some people actually go out of there way to be complete arseholes and insult people, I know for a fact one person who has posted on this thread is one of those people who went out of his way to insult all members of a particular guild and claim he was better than them all and they were all scrubs etc,

Arrogant toxic pricks like that give others a bad name by assosication

Biro123 · January 2017

I honestly think that organised AP farming is the biggest cancer in-game right now. It stalemates the game more than anything. Its not sets/builds/abilities - its mentality.

I can't count how many times a long-running siege has finally had a break-through - attackers in courtyard, defenders bottled up in the keep - to have the 3r'd factions AP farmers come along and end it.

Its like the kid who wasn't invited to the party cos you know he doesn't play nice - but turned up anyway just to spoil it for everyone else. Makes a lot of people just go somewhere else/log off/PVE's etc.. and kills all the action, apart from the tower-humping of course.

Bashev · January 2017

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

I just have a question for the people that questions AP-farming or a "I-dont-care-about-campaign"-attitude.

What do you gain from winning/caring about the campaign? A few K more gold from the Campaign reward mail & some more repair kits, if you win the campaign?

As long as you're within the top 2%(?) of the campaign listed as your home, you get GOlden Rewards. Fastest way to be in the Top 2%(?) is not capturing keep by keep by keep by outpost. But by AP-farming.

I don't want to seem rude or anything - I'msimply wondering why you think I should care about the campaign.

I agree that is one of the problems. No rewards for wining the campaign. Some people will say the faction pride, but again the mechanic doenst work. What is the point to play the map and when you logging the next day the map was night capped?

Jam · January 2017

Bashev wrote: »

What is the point to play the map and when you logging the next day the map was night capped?

What the point to play same objectives on 20% of the map since over 3 years too ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNH6kVKeAfE

Biro123 · January 2017

Jam wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNH6kVKeAfE

That was really funny. I enjoyed that!

MLRPZ · January 2017

Biro123 wrote: »

I honestly think that organised AP farming is the biggest cancer in-game right now. It stalemates the game more than anything. Its not sets/builds/abilities - its mentality.

I can't count how many times a long-running siege has finally had a break-through - attackers in courtyard, defenders bottled up in the keep - to have the 3r'd factions AP farmers come along and end it.

Its like the kid who wasn't invited to the party cos you know he doesn't play nice - but turned up anyway just to spoil it for everyone else. Makes a lot of people just go somewhere else/log off/PVE's etc.. and kills all the action, apart from the tower-humping of course.

Should we ask you if it's ok to steal your tick first ?
Man, it's 3 faction PvP, what do you expect ? XD

iseko · January 2017

MLRPZ wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

I honestly think that organised AP farming is the biggest cancer in-game right now. It stalemates the game more than anything. Its not sets/builds/abilities - its mentality.

I can't count how many times a long-running siege has finally had a break-through - attackers in courtyard, defenders bottled up in the keep - to have the 3r'd factions AP farmers come along and end it.

Its like the kid who wasn't invited to the party cos you know he doesn't play nice - but turned up anyway just to spoil it for everyone else. Makes a lot of people just go somewhere else/log off/PVE's etc.. and kills all the action, apart from the tower-humping of course.

Should we ask you if it's ok to steal your tick first ?
Man, it's 3 faction PvP, what do you expect ? XD

That is not what he meant.

Biro123 · January 2017

MLRPZ wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

I honestly think that organised AP farming is the biggest cancer in-game right now. It stalemates the game more than anything. Its not sets/builds/abilities - its mentality.

I can't count how many times a long-running siege has finally had a break-through - attackers in courtyard, defenders bottled up in the keep - to have the 3r'd factions AP farmers come along and end it.

Its like the kid who wasn't invited to the party cos you know he doesn't play nice - but turned up anyway just to spoil it for everyone else. Makes a lot of people just go somewhere else/log off/PVE's etc.. and kills all the action, apart from the tower-humping of course.

Should we ask you if it's ok to steal your tick first ?
Man, it's 3 faction PvP, what do you expect ? XD

Perhaps if the goal was to actually take the keep in the first place instead of just killing the attackers, then camping in one of the keep's towers/running around the top of the walls to farm the defenders as long as you can...

MLRPZ · January 2017

Well we usually take it, but we can't really defend it because of the game mechanics sanct explained earlier

AbraXuSeXile · January 2017

To be fair im sure theyve done campaign stuff back in the day but with no meaning farming scrubs is the only option for organised groups.

If they gave us a reason to care i'm sure people would.

Dont hate the player hate the game. Or something like that.

KisoValley · January 2017

Give us an incentive to play the map, or do an overhaul of cyrodiil because it's boring after 2-3 years of the same *** and you'll have less AP farmers. People play games to enjoy the game. Doing the same thing for 2-3 years gets boring. Winning fights being outnumbered 1:5 at minimum? That is fun and a sense of achievement rather than shooting siege at a door, flipping flags, to then go to sleep, wake up and find the map night capped.

Joy_Division · January 2017

I get the feeling the EU server is kind of weird ... it's almost like different people have different ideas of what fun PvP is.

Biro123 · January 2017

Different ideas of fun, I guess.. I like to have objectives to go for - and lets face it, without them there would be nothing to focus the action (apart from that damn bridge) - I also like to rely on my own builds and skill to survive (and the lack of it for not surviving). I tried the ball-group thing - stacking on the crown, must-have abilities to spam, timed ulti-dumps etc. and didn't enjoy it - even with objective play involved.
Basically I have fun zerg-surfing and small-scaling over resources. And YOUR FUN SPOILS MY FUN

MLRPZ · January 2017

I can understand that you play the way you like, but unlike you, I'm not blaming you for it

covenant_merchant · January 2017

Regardless of all the guild drama, Azura's Star is indeed way more laggy due to the amount of players that migrated from TF to here in the past weeks. Pretty much everyone who used to make the TF top 10 leaderboard on DC in the past months ( minus Arasel Nightwhisper) has been playing on Azura in primetime recently. I know I am one of these server hoppers.

Still the lag is better than on TF, where beyond the drop in FPS and ping spikes, you simply can't move.

Lieblingsjunge · January 2017

Bashev wrote: »

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

I just have a question for the people that questions AP-farming or a "I-dont-care-about-campaign"-attitude.

What do you gain from winning/caring about the campaign? A few K more gold from the Campaign reward mail & some more repair kits, if you win the campaign?

As long as you're within the top 2%(?) of the campaign listed as your home, you get GOlden Rewards. Fastest way to be in the Top 2%(?) is not capturing keep by keep by keep by outpost. But by AP-farming.

I don't want to seem rude or anything - I'msimply wondering why you think I should care about the campaign.

I agree that is one of the problems. No rewards for wining the campaign. Some people will say the faction pride, but again the mechanic doenst work. What is the point to play the map and when you logging the next day the map was night capped?

Well. I'm not into the Lore-thing and I do not feel loyal to Queen Ayrenn. She's a *censored*. So Ifeel no faction pride & loyalty, not a deep one, that's worth fighting for, anyway.
And that.

KisoValley · January 2017

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

I just have a question for the people that questions AP-farming or a "I-dont-care-about-campaign"-attitude.

What do you gain from winning/caring about the campaign? A few K more gold from the Campaign reward mail & some more repair kits, if you win the campaign?

As long as you're within the top 2%(?) of the campaign listed as your home, you get GOlden Rewards. Fastest way to be in the Top 2%(?) is not capturing keep by keep by keep by outpost. But by AP-farming.

I don't want to seem rude or anything - I'msimply wondering why you think I should care about the campaign.

I agree that is one of the problems. No rewards for wining the campaign. Some people will say the faction pride, but again the mechanic doenst work. What is the point to play the map and when you logging the next day the map was night capped?

Well. I'm not into the Lore-thing and I do not feel loyal to Queen Ayrenn. She's a *censored*. So Ifeel no faction pride & loyalty, not a deep one, that's worth fighting for, anyway.
And that.

Wow how can you not be loyal to Kate Beckinsale.....................

Thraben · January 2017

covenant_merchant wrote: »

Regardless of all the guild drama, Azura's Star is indeed way more laggy due to the amount of players that migrated from TF to here in the past weeks. Pretty much everyone who used to make the TF top 10 leaderboard on DC in the past months ( minus Arasel Nightwhisper) has been playing on Azura in primetime recently. I know I am one of these server hoppers.

Still the lag is better than on TF, where beyond the drop in FPS and ping spikes, you simply can't move.

Well today night it was truely trueflamish

Half of my 7-people group got logged out when the Yells joined the fray. But it would be stupid to blame them. It´s also useless to blame the reds: They do what they always do.

There are too many blue people around when the same 20 people who were there in the last August would suffice to keep the reds at bay most of the time.
Hopefully the blue WTJ guilds are leaving when we finally lose the campaign.