Availability of Furniture (Question)

Whiphid · January 2017

Hey all! Don't have access to the PTS (PS4 player here), but I've been looking at a bunch of videos to learn more about furnishing the homes.
Hope someone can answer these 2 questions:

I've seen some people craft furniture (which is shockingly "expensive" in terms of required mats sometimes), but mostly they've been browsing the crown store in the PTS vids. The furniture merchants usually didn't offer a lot more than various plants and rocks.

[1] Can anyone in PTS confirm that we can actually buy furniture for in-game gold? Like chairs, tables, shelves, beds? Or is it just rocks and trees...
Or is the only way to avoid the crown store with its 500 crown chairs to farm for hours on end to find the right blueprint (with hundreds of them, imagine the RNG, and I don't want any Argonian chairs in my Breton house) and then spend hours again farming the mats. I know we are supposed to have a fully decked out castle in week 1, but if it takes one week of work for every chair that might just put people off. Getting at least the green quality items from a vendor would be ideal.

[2] Also I read that every furniture item that is blue/purple/gold is BoE? Does that mean we cannot sell or give away those, once placed?
Would be terrible if we wanted to "upgrade" the house from blue chairs to purple chairs (I dunno, just an example, they might look nicer), the only way to get rid of them blue chairs is to destroy them (since they would take up to much bank space) or vendor them for like, what? 12 gold?

Myyth · January 2017

reading this post worries me.
So just to craft a simple chair you need to find blueprints that are random drops that will require hours of farming for one chair??? unless of course you pay real money and buy a chair in the cash shop.
and then there will be different qualities of chairs that I will also need to farm if I want epic chairs?
This doesn't sound like much fun so far lol it actually sounds terrible.

Elder_III · January 2017

You can buy rough stools and things of that nature from a merchant iirc. It seems that different maps have merchants with different inventories so I'm not sure exactly how much variety there is for sale but I think you can buy enough simple/plain items to at least start camping out in a corner of your new mansion.

Enodoc · January 2017

I'm going around all the furniture sources trying to find where everything comes from. So far, there's not much furniture on the merchants, so it looks like crafting is the main source of non-non-basic furniture.

Myyth · January 2017

Enodoc wrote: »

I'm going around all the furniture sources trying to find where everything comes from. So far, there's not much furniture on the merchants, so it looks like crafting is the main source of non-non-basic furniture.

where do crafters get the recipes for the furniture items?
Are they all individual random drops? Is it like how you find provision recipes, they are randomly scattered all over?

Storme_87 · January 2017

I think the recipes are drops from around the world, but I created a lvl 50 character to start testing straightaway. I received a number of crates containing the recipes for a variety of furnishing items beside crates of materials to craft with.

However, I did go to a Furnishing Merchant in the city (far southwest of Eastmarch map) to look at what she sold. She sells a line of furnishing items (white) labeled with "Rough". These items looked more like scraps of wood slapped together and rough-edged as they are aptly called. These items cost 160 gold a piece. There is a catch. The resale value on an item is 5 gold. So if you bought a "Rough" furnishing item for 160 gold, took it to your home, placed it there, decided you didn't like it and returned it to a merchant to sell it back, you get only 5 gold back. 5 gold for a 160 gold item.

I didn't see any Furnishing items on the crown store today. Maybe it is just me, but the homesteads are available to preview. I have no idea how much they cost because I got a bunch of deeds to all of the homesteads in Tamriel. They appeared to be account-wide because my low level character (with 1k gold to her name) got the same access to those houses as my lvl 50 character did. This might change in the future when the Homestead patch goes live to be character-specific homes or not. If they're account-wide, I bet they will cost a lot of crowns once they go on sale in the crown store.

Annalyse · January 2017

Myyth wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

I'm going around all the furniture sources trying to find where everything comes from. So far, there's not much furniture on the merchants, so it looks like crafting is the main source of non-non-basic furniture.

where do crafters get the recipes for the furniture items?
Are they all individual random drops? Is it like how you find provision recipes, they are randomly scattered all over?

From what I discovered in my testing today, they are almost exactly like provisioning recipes. I found one blue and 5 greens just looting my way through cities (one in a backpack, the others in wardrobes and cupboards). Patch notes said they could be found pickpocketing and killing humanoid enemies but I did not get any that way, so I went back to my looting.

Based on this, I think that (given some time) they should be very easy to find on guild traders. Might take a long time to get the nice purple items though.

Unfortunately, the current vendors sell next to nothing for useful furniture. Lots of great outdoor items, but for inside there is basically a couple of tiny tables and maybe a chair. I'm really hoping they add more things so that we can at least get some basic furnishings while we hunt for recipes.

Storme_87 · January 2017

I have a Thief (Nightblade) character set up for pickpocketing, looting and such to see what kind of recipes drop. I will definitely come back with any results I come across from playing my Thief and see what happens.

Enodoc · January 2017

Myyth wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

I'm going around all the furniture sources trying to find where everything comes from. So far, there's not much furniture on the merchants, so it looks like crafting is the main source of non-non-basic furniture.

where do crafters get the recipes for the furniture items?
Are they all individual random drops? Is it like how you find provision recipes, they are randomly scattered all over?

Yeah, they all seem to be random drops. Haven't played around enough to actually find any yet, as I did the same as Storme_87 and used the PTS template character which contained a bunch of furnishing plans in a container, just so I could get an idea of what was available. One thing I did find is that furnishings on vendors can't be crafted, and craftable furnishings aren't on vendors.

Storme_87 wrote: »

I didn't see any Furnishing items on the crown store today. Maybe it is just me, but the homesteads are available to preview. I have no idea how much they cost because I got a bunch of deeds to all of the homesteads in Tamriel. They appeared to be account-wide because my low level character (with 1k gold to her name) got the same access to those houses as my lvl 50 character did. This might change in the future when the Homestead patch goes live to be character-specific homes or not. If they're account-wide, I bet they will cost a lot of crowns once they go on sale in the crown store.

All furnishings available for Crowns are bought from the Housing Editor rather than the Crown Store. The player houses are account-wide.

AdamBourke · January 2017

I didnt find recipes in the wild, and the majority of vendors are just selling plants and rocks. The vendors in cyrodiil and craglorn seemed to have slightly more interesting stuff (planks, for instance).

The crown store has items for apparently random prices - some are 10c, some are 400c... carpet of dibella is 400c, but carpet of akatosh is only 150. If i were akatosh i would set fire to nirn for that insult.

Not all of the crafting requires ungodly materials - so dont worry too much about this. Although again it seems pretty random sometimes which things are gold compared to which things are white.

You can get special items from the accolade/achievement vendors, but you need to unlock them first by completing achievements - mostly for doing quests in that zone. I dont know if you can have more than one of each accolade item or not. They range from around 5000 to 50000 gold, and in cyrodiil you can also use AP. Not sure if there are any tel var furniture.

You can sell most furniture on the guild store though - i think it is only crown items and accolade items that you cannot sell.

Recipes are character specific, housing items (even crown store ones) are character specific until you place them. Houses are account wide, including their contents, but it seems that some items (e.g. alliance banners) will change to match the character you are currently using (like the alliance war horse).

The vendors are found in cities in every zone including dlc, except stros m'kai and bleakrock - but not always the main city. In grahtwood for example, the vendors are in the redfur trading colony. There will always be a regular vendor and an accolade vendor together. In alliance capitals such as wayrest there will also be extra accolade vendors - one for the main quest and one for festival stuff.

In craglorn and coldharbour there is a luxury vendor, whose stock changes regularly. I didnt check the craglorn one as he is all the way at the top of upper craglorn, butbthe colharbour one was selling wedding items when i visited... i think these guys are only present on weekends.

Remains-Silent, the shadowy supplier from the dark Brotherhood will sometimes provide stuff if you have the passive skill - but ive only tried once and didnt get anything.

There is also the mastercrafter guy, who you need to do master writs for the buy special stuff like crafting stations and target dummy recipes. I dont know much about him, i probably wontvtest him out much until live.

majulook · January 2017

I have found only 5 crafting "recipes" in the world drops:

1. a very, very small table
2. a decorative pie
3. a skin drying rack
4. a bed
5. a wooden rack

All of these were found by only by stealing items.

Nothing in any world treasure chest, thieve troves, mapped treasure chests, or any container that was not labeled as containing stolen items.

Two of the "recipes" required legendary (Gold) items to craft.

Crazy numbers of items for some things.

The decorative pie required among other things, 1 Kuta and 60 Nickel.

Myyth · January 2017

ok, so lets reap this.
- When the homestead goes live, our characters will not have any blueprints and wont able to craft any furniture items.
- Before we can craft a furniture item, such as a chair or bed, we will need to find the blueprint which is a random world drop, possibly only through stealing/looting, just like provisioning recipes.

if these are both true I'm not sure what to think about this. It could frustrate players who want to furnish their homes but cant because they have to find the blueprints first. But it could also create lots of trade opportunities to sell furniture to other players. And of course lots of opportunities for ZoS to make money from players buying from the cash shop who want things right away or don't want to farm world drops.

Whiphid · January 2017

The "60 Nickel Kuta Pie" has become infamous on the webs already.
Don't think this is a thing lots of people will craft this way.

Epona222 · January 2017

Annalyse is exactly right with how designs and blueprints for furniture drop - it is exactly the same as provisioning recipes. I have found most of mine on the PTS so far by thieving high-end containers around the world, but they also drop from other places such as occasionally from mob drops.

Epona222 · January 2017

Whiphid wrote: »

The "60 Nickel Kuta Pie" has become infamous on the webs already.
Don't think this is a thing lots of people will craft this way.

I think a lot of the crafting costs are ridiculously high, it seems almost purely designed to push people towards crown store purchase (where, if the prices on the PTS are correct, you can buy 4 foot of hedge for 400 crowns o_o )

I love the idea of it all, in reality it is a hugely costly endeavour for anyone wanting to craft furnishings for their own home, and it needs to be revisited by Zenimax so that it doesn't feel as though we're being made to drop our keks and bend over (no offence, but it's kind of that bad).

Taleof2Cities · January 2017

Whiphid wrote: »

The "60 Nickel Kuta Pie" has become infamous on the webs already.
Don't think this is a thing lots of people will craft this way.

Maybe not this specific item ... but players on Live are already soliciting (and buying) style stones in bulk.

Myyth · January 2017

are our characters given any blueprints to start? or do we need to find random world drops before we can craft furniture?

Enodoc · January 2017

Myyth wrote: »

are our characters given any blueprints to start? or do we need to find random world drops before we can craft furniture?

You're not given anything, but there a a few (very few) that you can buy on some vendors.

Talek · January 2017

Answering your last question, if you bind the item to your house you can't resell it to someone later, i think you can only place it in other house but the furniture is already bind to your account. The basic vendors will only sell basic items from respective races like table or chair in a most basic version, all the cool stuff comes from achievement vendors (and here even stupid vase can cost 30k) and crafting. There is also this luxury merchant in coldharbour but i didn't work for me (it's empty like all other coldharbour furniture merchants) probably because i was on template character and didn't finished hollow city storyline. Overall, probably if you want rare stuff fast prepare 400+ crowns per piece, otherwise i expect most rare items will be on that weekly rotation in this one merchant. And for crafting, i expect pretty interesting crafting market in early days when there won't be many players with blue/purple/gold blueprints, tons of money to make for sure.

Whiphid · January 2017

Talek wrote: »

Overall, probably if you want rare stuff fast prepare 400+ crowns per piece

Do you really think these prices will persists in live?
I cannot imagine even ZOS trying to pawn 400 crown chairs to us. That means, what? A fancy table + 6 chairs will be 2800 crowns? They'd better tone down those prices if they want to sell them purple items.

As for the prices of decorating the house in gold, seeing as we might need to buy plans and some mats here and there, I think I might even consider getting the deco'd house to start with in crowns and use the saved up gold for interior and garden stuff. But that surely depends on the crown prices.

Myyth · January 2017

Whiphid wrote: »

Talek wrote: »

Overall, probably if you want rare stuff fast prepare 400+ crowns per piece

Do you really think these prices will persists in live?
I cannot imagine even ZOS trying to pawn 400 crown chairs to us. That means, what? A fancy table + 6 chairs will be 2800 crowns? They'd better tone down those prices if they want to sell them purple items.

As for the prices of decorating the house in gold, seeing as we might need to buy plans and some mats here and there, I think I might even consider getting the deco'd house to start with in crowns and use the saved up gold for interior and garden stuff. But that surely depends on the crown prices.

From what ive seen ZoS charging for items in the crown shop I could see furniture staying the same price. Its starting to all look like a clever marketing ploy.
1)Do not give any furniture blueprints to players
2)Make obtaining the blueprints difficult and annoying so you cant furnish your new shiny home
3)Put furniture in cash shop for exorbitant prices
4)profit!!!!

Since I refuse to spend real money on housing I guess I will enjoy my unfurnished home, except for a stool and table, until I get furniture blueprints or trade with players.

driosketch · January 2017

Don't the crafting station vendors sell blue prints, style base on zone, in the same way chef npcs now sell recipes?

Danikat · January 2017

The vendors I've seen only sell blueprints for basic items - the rough or 'basic' models that aren't themed on a particular racial style.

But it's possible I'm looking in the wrong places. There's some surprising merchants selling furniture (like alchemists) and some items which aren't sold by the people I'd expect - like wooden furniture bought from blacksmiths instead of woodworkers.

Soella · January 2017

Myyth wrote: »

ok, so lets reap this.
- When the homestead goes live, our characters will not have any blueprints and wont able to craft any furniture items.
- Before we can craft a furniture item, such as a chair or bed, we will need to find the blueprint which is a random world drop, possibly only through stealing/looting, just like provisioning recipes.

if these are both true I'm not sure what to think about this. It could frustrate players who want to furnish their homes but cant because they have to find the blueprints first. But it could also create lots of trade opportunities to sell furniture to other players. And of course lots of opportunities for ZoS to make money from players buying from the cash shop who want things right away or don't want to farm world drops.

You can buy simple furniture from vendors, and it is going to be cheaper than to craft it.
But if you want something specific - yes, you need blueprints.

Miaura · January 2017

Soella wrote: »

Myyth wrote: »

ok, so lets reap this.
- When the homestead goes live, our characters will not have any blueprints and wont able to craft any furniture items.
- Before we can craft a furniture item, such as a chair or bed, we will need to find the blueprint which is a random world drop, possibly only through stealing/looting, just like provisioning recipes.

if these are both true I'm not sure what to think about this. It could frustrate players who want to furnish their homes but cant because they have to find the blueprints first. But it could also create lots of trade opportunities to sell furniture to other players. And of course lots of opportunities for ZoS to make money from players buying from the cash shop who want things right away or don't want to farm world drops.

You can buy simple furniture from vendors, and it is going to be cheaper than to craft it.
But if you want something specific - yes, you need blueprints.

So far the only simple furniture Ive been able to find from the furniture vendors (non achievement ones) have been rough stool and one table (cant remember its name), rest of the stuff they sold has been plants from the region they are in; also the stools and table were the same from vendors in different regions. Are there more, beds/bedrolls for instance, and where (Iknow simple bedroll and cups recipies can be bought though)?
edit; oh yes, and I bought some simple crates from vendor too.

Enodoc · January 2017

I've found some Crate Cards for a future Crown Crate season which have furnishings in them. Not sure which furnishings they are though.

bebynnag · January 2017

are the blue prints style specific? of by learning a blueprint for a bed (for example) could i craft that in any style i know the motif for?

if they are style specific do i still need to know the motif in order to make the item or is the blueprint by itself all i need?
and is the drop rate for specif ctyles more likley to drop in certain zones, ie. soul shriven in coldharbour?

and can someone tell me can i craft 'creepy goth spooky' furniture, for example a throne of bones? a skull? afruit basket made from a ribcage?

Whiphid · January 2017

Enodoc wrote: »

I've found some Crate Cards for a future Crown Crate season which have furnishings in them. Not sure which furnishings they are though.

WhiteCoatSyndrome · January 2017

Whiphid wrote: »

(with hundreds of them, imagine the RNG, and I don't want any Argonian chairs in my Breton house)

@Whiphid Regarding this, we've been told the blueprints for a specific race will drop more commonly in the regions they live in, so if you want Breton furniture, dig through crates in Wayrest, not Shadowfen. Link.

puffytheslayer wrote: »

are the blue prints style specific? of by learning a blueprint for a bed (for example) could i craft that in any style i know the motif for?

if they are style specific do i still need to know the motif in order to make the item or is the blueprint by itself all i need?
and is the drop rate for specif ctyles more likley to drop in certain zones, ie. soul shriven in coldharbour?

@puffytheslayer Last I heard the blue prints are independent of the Motifs you know; so for example to make a Dunmer bed you have to find the blueprints for the Dunmer bed, once you've learned it you can't make an Altmer bed unless you learn the blueprint for that too, and you don't need to know the Dunmer Motif beforehand.

Ilsabet · January 2017

puffytheslayer wrote: »

and can someone tell me can i craft 'creepy goth spooky' furniture, for example a throne of bones? a skull? afruit basket made from a ribcage?

Several bone and skull type items have been datamined, although I don't know off the top of my head if they're craftable or what. Some of them will be purchasable from achievement vendors once you've unlocked the related achievements. But since you can place items anywhere you want in any configuration, you could have a field day making whatever you wanted out of the bones once you get them.

Taternater · January 2017

In outlaw refuges the merchant inside sells achievement furniture that are based on murder, thieving, and thieves guild achievements. Like I could buy a death marker that looked like a tombstone, a safebox, and a thieves trove. There were also gold piles that required the achievements for gaining a lot of gold through fencing, but I didn't have those achievements. It seems you, or a trading guild, can decorate a treasure room.

Regarding tel var, there were furniture merchants in IC in the faction sewer hq, but for some reason they didn't have anything for sale at the time. That was day 1 of the update being on the PTS though.

Also you can fish up furniture. I fished up a furniture that was a bass. It was a bass. I went to my Sleek Creek and put it in the water there and it looked like a fish was in the water. It would be possible to have a school of fish in there eventually, or to put it on a plate.

In the patch notes it says that the shadowy supplier from the dark brotherhood passive can give dark brotherhood furniture rarely. I only tried like 2 times but didn't get one.

Regarding blueprints, they're just like provisioning recipes. I found one in a dwemer urn that I had also previously found a provisioning recipe in. Also they're in dressers and backpacks.

There's a merchant in Hollow City in with the grocer that sells achievement furniture. I think I remember one was a dolmen pinion. I can't remember the achievement but it was probably dolmen related.

Master writ vouchers can buy furniture, like crafting stations for instance.

I'm assuming that furniture costs so much resources because it will give dedicated crafters a way to make gold through crafting. Right now crafting isn't really profitable, especially with tel var herb bags giving pvpers the ability to craft their own potions in large quantities now. Players with lots of gold from running dailies for motifs and selling loot, or tel var herb bag herbs, and who don't like crafting will buy furniture from full time crafters.