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Buying House With Crowns
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snakester320✭✭✭✭
Couldn't agree more but ppl flocked to gamble crates like a fat kid on a cupcake and they were rng so it's no diff for ppl to throw money at this at least it's a sure thing till they shove houses in loot crates so ppl can gamble on them as well!Prof_Bawbag wrote: »£100 (20k crowns) for an in game house? Are people serious? I could buy 1/3 of a PS4 pro for that ***. I could buy 3 and a half AAA games for that ***, and for £50 more, I could buy a normal PS4 or X1. Outrageous people would be ok with this. And some people wonder why we got lumbered with crown crates.
This is ignoring the fact 5500crs on Xbox cost over £30, so they'd be truly fleeced.
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Dev✭✭✭✭PurifedBladez wrote: »Do we all really care about housing?
You might be underestimating the value of having one spot to:- Training dummy for rotation testing
- craft in specific sets
- have your assistants all out and ready for use
(This would be much better if they could repair, let me sell on the guild store or fence without a 35% fee, but w/e) - ability to avoid zone spam (aka a quiet spot to afk while waiting on raid to start)
- storage (yea, i know its not there at release, but eventually, maybe, uh i hope???)
That is about a $20 - 50 value to me, maybe a little more if i can have my assistants upgraded to full npc versions and multiple set aligned stations (aka 2 different named sets for cloth). Also would vary on how many of the 'needed' features is locked behind gates, like the testing dummies being locked via rng based master craps, err writs...
This is all based on zos not completely ruining the game with the very same update... no point in buying a house when the actual game is meaningless. It doesnt really mater which side of the nerf your on, if it makes you too angry to play the game as a whole.
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Gorilla✭✭✭Prof_Bawbag wrote: »£100 (20k crowns) for an in game house? Are people serious? I could buy 1/3 of a PS4 pro for that ***. I could buy 3 and a half AAA games for that ***, and for £50 more, I could buy a normal PS4 or X1. Outrageous people would be ok with this. And some people wonder why we got lumbered with crown crates.
This is ignoring the fact 5500crs on Xbox cost over £30, so they'd be truly fleeced.
It's all relative. Some people pay that for a steak dinner...and that might be without the the wine.
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snakester320✭✭✭✭
This I don't get the island lot how could they price that past the same cost as say dark brother hood dlc as more development would have gone into that than a island home..These estimates are for the manors? 3k to 50k? What about the crown-exclusive islands. Would those be more or less than the manors?
So I don't see a manor costing more than a island!!
I really doubt there going to put 400 crowns for a small 1000 for medium 2000 for large 3000 for manor and 5000 for the island... it would defeat the purpose of ppl grinding out specific prerequisites then farming gold to make the 3.whatever mill gold for a manor
That said they spat out the crown crates for ppl to needless waste there money on gambling can't see why they wouldn't try to scrape more money out of customers till there broke!0 -
OtisMiller✭✭✭A crown house is a purchase that will cause you to make additional crown purchases to customize it (they hope) and subscribe in order to put more things in it. So I don't think the house prices will be related to the mount prices. If anything I think they will make them relatively affordable in order to get you to buy more of them, and therefore more crown furniture and other items to put in them.
This makes the most sense and the route I hope they go.3 -
Minute_Waltz✭✭✭Ok guys so I just made a bet with a friend on this, he insisted that no houses (including cavern and island) would cost more than 6.5k crowns for unfurnished version, and the loser will need to buy a medium house for the winner..
So... what are my chances of winning this?
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✭✭✭Minute_Waltz wrote: »Ok guys so I just made a bet with a friend on this, he insisted that no houses (including cavern and island) would cost more than 6.5k crowns for unfurnished version, and the loser will need to buy a medium house for the winner..
So... what are my chances of winning this?
I'm thinking that the mansion will be over 6.5k crowns.0 -
KingYogi415✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Regardless of the price they charge, this is really a direct money to gold transaction. It sucks to be someone who took time to fundraise millions of gold for a manor only for some rich person to get it in an instant. I wish the manors would be only available with gold and they'd milk us with the Island Resort crown exclusive homes. But that would cut the bottom line they so much prioritize.
Don't say that too loudly.
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snakester320✭✭✭✭Regardless of the price they charge, this is really a direct money to gold transaction. It sucks to be someone who took time to fundraise millions of gold for a manor only for some rich person to get it in an instant. I wish the manors would be only available with gold and they'd milk us with the Island Resort crown exclusive homes. But that would cut the bottom line they so much prioritize.
From what I've seen the manors look much better than the island and the cavern anyway the manors look like castles as such where as the island ( while like it ) looks like a bunch of cubby houses and I don't like the cavern at all ...
That's why as much as I don't like ZOS and the way there scraping money out of players I think it's going to and should be big crowns for these houses forcing ppl to work hard for them it kind of defeats the purpose of like I've said before putting prerequisites on manors and so on for me to pay 5k crowns and get what you have without all the hard work!Edited by snakester320 on January 6, 2017 1:19AM0 -
Jimbullbee85✭✭✭✭jedtb16_ESO wrote: »So, how much does big houses costs in crowns? Especially biggest ones. Manor. Do you think they will be something like 20.000 crowns? Because 3.7 million gold is a lot actually.
3.7 mil a lot?
no, it isn't. all it takes is a bit of focus (dirty word for the snowflakes there) and some effort... oops another dirty word.
So by snowflakes do you mean players who actually have a life outside of the game? Some people like me havnt got the time to farm gold because we have to go out and work for real money. Like hell I'm spending my hard earned cash on a £30 mount or what will probably be a £80- £100 mansion in crowns. I'm not complaining about the prices. They'll charge what they think we are willing to pay and its all merely cosmetic anyway. Lighten up dude it's a fekkin game!Jimbullbee, Templar healer battlemage4 -
aisriyth_ESO✭✭✭~10k crowns or so for the top end houses i think is reasonable. Anything more then that is getting way to outlandish.
Those saying 50,000crowns? ~$359.91 USD (not on sale) for a house, that is just way to much, I am all for cosmetics and I totally get the fact all but one or two are purchasable in game with gold, but there is a big difference between pricing to force people to use gold and giving people who can afford it a nice alternative to gold.
Edit: To put it in perspective, I am fairly willing to buy a house or 3(or more over time) at 10k, but if they are 50k it won't happen. I know i don't speak for everyone but I have been a VERY faithful customer to ZoS over the past few years and i hope they consider this carefully.Edited by aisriyth_ESO on January 6, 2017 2:13AM4 -
I have this feeling that the houses will be 5500 and under but in game gold will be higher to 1) drain some gold from the economy and 2) $40USD per manor, plus the lower costing houses is a huge profit. But then again, some streamers said they opened 90 crates to get the storm mounts.1 -
aisriyth_ESO wrote: »...
Edit: To put it in perspective, I am fairly willing to buy a house or 3(or more over time) at 10k, but if they are 50k it won't happen. I know i don't speak for everyone but I have been a VERY faithful customer to ZoS over the past few years and i hope they consider this carefully.
10k is still absolutely insane. Putting my 'extraordinary' math skills to work, 10k worth of crowns comes to around $72. That cost is greater than most (if not all) full-blown games. It's a one-time purchase of nothing - it's not content, not a DLC, nada.
I certainly have the funds to purchase shinies and the like (looking at you, annoying, overpriced reskinned elk mount). However I choose not to purchase these things because I tend to purchase things that have value and well...I'm a grumpy old fart.
Now git off my lawn!5 -
greylox✭✭✭✭✭I'll be buying with crowns because I work for a living and can't spend all day grinding millions but 20k crowns is silly for the island, for instance....I'd hope 10-11k would be the most, thats nearly 50 quid....Edited by greylox on January 6, 2017 3:11AMPC EU
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laurajf✭✭✭✭I have no choice but to buy with credits. I just spent quite a chunk of my gold (and I've never had more than 200,000 at one time) buying gear with the nirn trait so I can finally research all those to get my final 9th trait. I never really saw a reason to bother with it before but since master writs are going to be partially based off your research, I finally took the plunge. I figure I should be done researching at least a quarter to a third (between the 3 professions) by the time this goes live. Also bought some motif pages I don't have. Still have quite a few of those to get but that will have to be done more slowly. Time to work on my stealth/pickpocketing/stealing skills on my one stam gal so I can bring in some gold.
I honestly have no idea of the cost though. I know what I want but I will have a limit on what I'm willing to spend with real money/credits, so I may need to settle for something less desirable for the time being and work towards what I want.0 -
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✭✭✭Given the gold seller cost 3.8m gold is "worth" about $400 US currency. So that would put the Manor value at 55000 crowns or 10 large crown packs using gold seller pricing.
But ZOS sells gold for cheaper.
Mimic stones are 2400crowns for 54 of them which after made/deconned would be 324K gold pack per(Last price I saw was 6k per) if you happened to get a 1 to 1 ratio when deconning. That would be 742,500 per $40cash regular price/$25 on sale for 5500 crowns. So to make 3.8m gold by this method you would need just over 5 crown packs. That would put 3.8m at $125sale/$200reg. And even more expensive with every decon that doesn't yield a style mat.
While I can't say if people are actually paying for gold via the sellers. I know they are via ZOS, this can literally be seen in game. Given what these people are already paying, it is possible ZOS could sell the Manors for 16k-20k per unfinished and people would still buy.Runs| Orc Nightblade • Chim-el Adabal| Dunmer Templar • M'air the Honest| Khajiit Templar
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Cyrediath✭✭✭They need to make calculations about the smount of players that will buy that house and the price. If price goes up, less people will buy. Less than the increase of the money and zos will loose.
But i suspect that they will make the houses really expensive with crowns thats why they didnt public the prices yet. They want people to get hyped so they will pay more. But if that make it more than 15.000 for crown exclusive it will be ridiculous.1 -
raglau✭✭✭✭✭Prof_Bawbag wrote: »£100 (20k crowns) for an in game house? Are people serious? I could buy 1/3 of a PS4 pro for that ***. I could buy 3 and a half AAA games for that ***, and for £50 more, I could buy a normal PS4 or X1. Outrageous people would be ok with this. And some people wonder why we got lumbered with crown crates.
This is ignoring the fact 5500crs on Xbox cost over £30, so they'd be truly fleeced.
It's all relative. Some people pay that for a steak dinner...and that might be without the the wine.
Personally I think its a lot for pixels...
Well quite, to me, everything has a value. I'd think nothing of spending £100 on a flight to a meeting, but then I'd be expecting that meeting to pay off in terms of revenue generated. I'd think nothing of spending £100 on dinner for my wife and I, but then you can't put a price on quality time spent with the people you love. I'd think nothing of spending £100 on a tank of fuel for my car, but it will last me 2 weeks and allow me to see friends and family and get to work.
We then move into a more grey area. Last night I spent £200 on Amazon just getting some CDs, books and blurays that I wanted. I'd argue that I will listen to, read and watch that 'content' many times in my life so it's money well spent. Just before Christmas I spent a, not disclosable, sum on having a custom guitar made to precisely my specs down to the tiniest detail. My wife's eyes watered when she saw the price, but I countenanced I'll play that guitar every week for the rest of my life.
But an ESO house buyer might similarly argue they'll play the game and consume the content every week for the rest of their life, so the £100 house is justifiable to them.
I personally would in no way spend anything like £100 on a virtual item, I actually have never spent a penny in the Crown Store, I even have all my Crowns that have accrued with my subs, it's just tat to me. But I can see why some might. However, I think that ZOS will not be so savage with the house prices; housing is clearly a framework for an infinite supply of monetisable content and the best business model there is to give away the framework (or near as), get the consumer hooked, then claw it all back in repeat purchases. If they fail to get people into the framework due to initial high costs, they cannot gouge people later down the line. So I'd be very surprised to see anything like 20k crowns for even the largest house.
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Prof_Bawbag✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Prof_Bawbag wrote: »£100 (20k crowns) for an in game house? Are people serious? I could buy 1/3 of a PS4 pro for that ***. I could buy 3 and a half AAA games for that ***, and for £50 more, I could buy a normal PS4 or X1. Outrageous people would be ok with this. And some people wonder why we got lumbered with crown crates.
This is ignoring the fact 5500crs on Xbox cost over £30, so they'd be truly fleeced.
It's all relative. Some people pay that for a steak dinner...and that might be without the the wine.
Personally I think its a lot for pixels...
I don't think a steak dinner with or without wine can be used as an analogy. One is usually used as a means to socialise with real life friends and family and we all accept eating out and having that food prepared for you incurs extra costs for a variety of reasons (wages, overhead costs and the social aspect). I mean, good luck keeping your family together if all you do is sit and look at the same 4 walls day in day out. What I mean, going to the cinema, eating out etc etc is usually done to allow people a change of environment with either friends or family. Whereas sitting in a room alone ploughing countless coins into a game benefits no one socially other than the person playing the game.
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Prof_Bawbag✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭The funny thing about the current trend in the CS is the price creep we're currently witnessing with the costumes. It will soon cost you more to cloth your in-game character than it will to cloth yourself in real life if that trend continues. They started off at around 700crs, then to 900, onto 1000 and the latest one 1200crs. I suspect the next costume will cost 1500 and so on.
It's obvious there's been a price hike in all things CS other than the motifs which seem to fluctuate between 3000 and 5000. I won't count the CS only motifs because the true cost of those can be anything you want them to be due to not being able to get mats in-game.4 -
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I imagine most of us play ESO after work and/or school. I wouldn't be making any more money if I didn't play ESO, I'd just be relaxing in some other way. Certainly, I could get another job and spend my every waking hour earning money... But I'd rather not collapse from exhaustion, thank you very much.Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Edit: Also in-game gold is NOT free in real life if you have a job. Every hour I spend farming gold is an hour I didn't spend making actual money at this place called WORK.
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raglau✭✭✭✭✭Prof_Bawbag wrote: »Prof_Bawbag wrote: »£100 (20k crowns) for an in game house? Are people serious? I could buy 1/3 of a PS4 pro for that ***. I could buy 3 and a half AAA games for that ***, and for £50 more, I could buy a normal PS4 or X1. Outrageous people would be ok with this. And some people wonder why we got lumbered with crown crates.
This is ignoring the fact 5500crs on Xbox cost over £30, so they'd be truly fleeced.
It's all relative. Some people pay that for a steak dinner...and that might be without the the wine.
Personally I think its a lot for pixels...
I don't think a steak dinner with or without wine can be used as an analogy. One is usually used as a means to socialise with real life friends and family and we all accept eating out and having that food prepared for you incurs extra costs for a variety of reasons (wages, overhead costs and the social aspect). I mean, good luck keeping your family together if all you do is sit and look at the same 4 walls day in day out. What I mean, going to the cinema, eating out etc etc is usually done to allow people a change of environment with either friends or family. Whereas sitting in a room alone ploughing countless coins into a game benefits no one socially other than the person playing the game.
That's why I specifically put the family dinner at the tangibles end of the spectrum, not compared it to ESO housing, which I call a grey area of content, analagous to blurays etc.
I personally do not equate in-game socialising with out-game; whilst I love gaming, my traditional social structures and processes take precedence every time.
However, there is an ongoing paradigm shift where games, social media, and other technology shaped communication channels, are becoming the norm for a new generation. Housing is clearly hobbled in its current state - from reading PTS user output anyway - but if ZOS flesh it out properly, there's no reason a house cannot be an important in-game social hub, and I'd not under-estimate the value to some people of that, even over and above 'real life' socialising. Of course, in-game socialising is still real life because we are ultimately socialising with other humans, it's just a different delivery medium.
For you and I it won't ever be that, but we're just two people, not a cross-section of the entire gamer community.
Edited by raglau on January 6, 2017 11:06AM1 -
Riga_Mortis✭✭✭✭✭With some of the estimated crown pricing being thrown around on the forums its like people are setting themselves up to be fleeced.
The amount people are willing to pay for the manors is staggering, especially considering that the CS exclusives ( island and cave ), will be even more expensive. At this point I dont blame Zeni for their pricing anymore.Edited by Riga_Mortis on January 6, 2017 11:09AMXBOX 1X
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elantaura✭✭✭✭Ultimately it can't be more expensive than the salerys of those who would be policing the gold sellers. I.e 10000 crowns. Is my guess charge 20000 and people will start using them sellers. More people join in Then they will have to employ someone to basically get rid of them to keep ZOS over inflated house price. That in turn would cost them money so they may make a loss.
It makes more sense to keep it more expensive in game with gold but less expensive with crowns so people buy crowns without having to "hire help" to get rid of a problem they created.
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pattyLtd✭✭✭✭✭I have no idea what they will charge for them obviously but i wouldn't be surprised if it's very expensive.
I admit i caved in for the dro-mathra sense and i even bought some crown crates for me a mount is worth more crowns then a house though simply because i can't buy the mount or a compareable version of it for gold!
Although if the price is reasonable i might find it easier to part with 5k crowns for a manor then i would with 4M gold.
But for now i will probably settle for one of the large houses so i still keep a reasonable amount of gold and can use my crowns for other things in the future.Edited by pattyLtd on January 6, 2017 11:23AMEnglish is not my native language, no grammar police please, tyvm1 -
Leandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I am flabbergasted and disgusted in equal parts on most of the comments I read here. The complete loss of relation between euros or dollars and ingame gold apparent here is very disconcerting.
Assuming that being able to spend the time in game to accumulate 4mil gold (which I would love to) and putting it equal to the effort to work for having 100$ absolutely wasted spare money (which is what I have to do) shows a real worrying mind-set.
5500 crowns is 35 euros. I assume that for the majority of working people, this is an amount that they would be willing to dish out now and again for something like a computer game.
Talking about 20k crowns or almost 120 euros as "an ok price" makes me literally fear for the future of mankind. And no, this is not an exaggeration.
Combine that with the fact that dishing out this kind of money doesn't relieve the people from spending most of their limited game time to acquire the materials needed to customize their homes or having to spend even more spare cash for those items in the crown store, those advocating "25k seems reasonable" clearly have lost their sense of reality.4 -
Jimmy✭✭✭✭✭Do we know that the island and cave are the only crown store exclusives?
If so.... how disappointing. I wasn't impressed with either. The island shacks are tiny. The cave just didn't give a home feeling.
Then all the other large manor mansions were just a copy and paste of the basic racial styles already in the game. Exact copies.
After going through what will be the expensive houses, I was actually quite disappointed.
EDIT: And this is coming from a guy who was willing to pay upwards of 20k crowns for a bad ass house. Except, none are unique and the two that are unique are very underwhelming.Edited by Jimmy on January 6, 2017 12:54PM1 -
raglau✭✭✭✭✭I am flabbergasted and disgusted in equal parts on most of the comments I read here. The complete loss of relation between euros or dollars and ingame gold apparent here is very disconcerting.
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I think you have hit the nail on the head there...Because the housing cost is articulated in Crowns, the relationship to tangible currency is blurred, for a lot of people. But a grossly inflated price for a house will make people take a look at that, and spoil the obfuscation somewhat.Edited by raglau on January 6, 2017 1:49PM1 -
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✭✭I am flabbergasted and disgusted in equal parts on most of the comments I read here. The complete loss of relation between euros or dollars and ingame gold apparent here is very disconcerting.
Assuming that being able to spend the time in game to accumulate 4mil gold (which I would love to) and putting it equal to the effort to work for having 100$ absolutely wasted spare money (which is what I have to do) shows a real worrying mind-set.
5500 crowns is 35 euros. I assume that for the majority of working people, this is an amount that they would be willing to dish out now and again for something like a computer game.
Talking about 20k crowns or almost 120 euros as "an ok price" makes me literally fear for the future of mankind. And no, this is not an exaggeration.
Combine that with the fact that dishing out this kind of money doesn't relieve the people from spending most of their limited game time to acquire the materials needed to customize their homes or having to spend even more spare cash for those items in the crown store, those advocating "25k seems reasonable" clearly have lost their sense of reality.
I get the feeling there's a few people here trying to inflate the prices because they'll be buying with game gold anyway, so they can be the only ones in the game with a nice house.
ZOS would be foolish to make buying a house with gold seem more appealing than buying one with Crowns. They'd only be losing money by doing that.5 -
Cyrediath✭✭✭I am flabbergasted and disgusted in equal parts on most of the comments I read here. The complete loss of relation between euros or dollars and ingame gold apparent here is very disconcerting.
Assuming that being able to spend the time in game to accumulate 4mil gold (which I would love to) and putting it equal to the effort to work for having 100$ absolutely wasted spare money (which is what I have to do) shows a real worrying mind-set.
5500 crowns is 35 euros. I assume that for the majority of working people, this is an amount that they would be willing to dish out now and again for something like a computer game.
Talking about 20k crowns or almost 120 euros as "an ok price" makes me literally fear for the future of mankind. And no, this is not an exaggeration.
Combine that with the fact that dishing out this kind of money doesn't relieve the people from spending most of their limited game time to acquire the materials needed to customize their homes or having to spend even more spare cash for those items in the crown store, those advocating "25k seems reasonable" clearly have lost their sense of reality.
300 euro is minimum salary at many countries and after spending some on vital things for living, 100 euros on a game (even the one that you love) is not nice.
For me im just a university student but still indeed 100 euros for a house that i like (crown exclusive) will hurt my economy so i will consider and probably not gonna buy. And also it may be even expensive than that...2