Buying House With Crowns

raglau

Cyrediath wrote: »

Leandor wrote: »

I am flabbergasted and disgusted in equal parts on most of the comments I read here. The complete loss of relation between euros or dollars and ingame gold apparent here is very disconcerting.

Assuming that being able to spend the time in game to accumulate 4mil gold (which I would love to) and putting it equal to the effort to work for having 100$ absolutely wasted spare money (which is what I have to do) shows a real worrying mind-set.

5500 crowns is 35 euros. I assume that for the majority of working people, this is an amount that they would be willing to dish out now and again for something like a computer game.

Talking about 20k crowns or almost 120 euros as "an ok price" makes me literally fear for the future of mankind. And no, this is not an exaggeration.

Combine that with the fact that dishing out this kind of money doesn't relieve the people from spending most of their limited game time to acquire the materials needed to customize their homes or having to spend even more spare cash for those items in the crown store, those advocating "25k seems reasonable" clearly have lost their sense of reality.

300 euro is minimum salary at many countries and after spending some on vital things for living, 100 euros on a game (even the one that you love) is not nice.

For me im just a university student but still indeed 100 euros for a house that i like (crown exclusive) will hurt my economy so i will consider and probably not gonna buy. And also it may be even expensive than that...

I honestly do not believe they will be that high. Reason being that housing is a framework for delivering monetisable content. If ZOS do not get sufficient people on the housing ladder, then the entire business strategy falls apart because they cannot sell stuff in the Crown Store to homeowners.

The fee to enter the housing game will be low, the gouging will happen afterwards, that's my prediction.

Betheny

*also there's no way I'm going to buy four 5500 Crown Packs individually one by one for each transaction every time I want to buy a damn house.

And if they make bigger packs or even with doing those 5500 packs over and over for one purchase, people will quickly realise exactly how much they're spending in real dollars for a virtual house nobody can even see is yours anyway.

snakester320

Like I've said I can't see how the manors or the island ,cavern can cost any more than 5500 crowns or the same cost as dark brother hood far more work went in to brother hood as a whole than the island and cavern lots and it would be stupid to charge more for a manor than a whole island..
I would of assumed that 500 crowns for a small 1000 for a medium 2000 for a large 3000 for a manor and 5000 for the island and cavern would be a sensible cost ... even though there's prerequisites that can be bypassed by just paying the crowns .. which seems stupid to me if there just going to shove it in the store!!!!
Sadly though I think we are not going to get away with these houses cheap if the crown crates have taught us 1 thing if they can get away with ripping as much money as they can off there customers there going to give it a red hot go as much as they can .. and idiots will gladly throw money at them over and over ...
But until we get solid pricing etc its really all speculative!!

Oreyn_Bearclaw

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

I would certainly take the over on 25k for a manor if I was a betting man. I would not complain if they cost 50k. I think there has to be some basic relationship between the cost of something in gold vs the cost of something in crowns or its meaningless. 5k crowns and 3.8 million gold are not even close to the same thing, so I would be shocked, and frankly a little upset if they were that low.

Think of it this way, if they put 3.8 million gold on sale in the crown store for 5k crowns would you buy it? (terrible idea but illustrating a point) Of course you would. Put 3.8 million gold on sale for 50k crowns and would you buy it? Some would, but its a much tougher call. I have no idea what the proper conversion should or will be, but for people thinking they are going to get manor for 5k, I "think" you are wildly mistaken.

My 2 Cents: They should be super expensive in the crownstore, and you should not get the titles for using crowns. Buying titles is kinda pathetic if you ask me. Now someone that buys all 3 manors with gold, that is pretty impressive. You should be called Count or whatever the title is. If you do it with crowns, the most appropriate title should be Mom's Credit Card.

rotaugen454 wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

I would certainly take the over on 25k for a manor if I was a betting man. I would not complain if they cost 50k. I think there has to be some basic relationship between the cost of something in gold vs the cost of something in crowns or its meaningless. 5k crowns and 3.8 million gold are not even close to the same thing, so I would be shocked, and frankly a little upset if they were that low.

Think of it this way, if they put 3.8 million gold on sale in the crown store for 5k crowns would you buy it? (terrible idea but illustrating a point) Of course you would. Put 3.8 million gold on sale for 50k crowns and would you buy it? Some would, but its a much tougher call. I have no idea what the proper conversion should or will be, but for people thinking they are going to get manor for 5k, I "think" you are wildly mistaken.

My 2 Cents: They should be super expensive in the crownstore, and you should not get the titles for using crowns. Buying titles is kinda pathetic if you ask me. Now someone that buys all 3 manors with gold, that is pretty impressive. You should be called Count or whatever the title is. If you do it with crowns, the most appropriate title should be Mom's Credit Card.

Cyrediath wrote: »

I hope crown exclusive houses will be around 10k-15k max. Because lots of people wants to buy a house and they will buy it with in-game gold because its free in real life but if zos keeps the crown exclusive houses reasonable like 10-15 lots of people also sill buy that and zos + people will win. Win-win. If they make the price of crown exclusive houses lile 20-25 i think very few people will buy it. Zos wants to earn money ofc so houses gotta be cheap so people will buy it. Lots of people.

I honestly really would like to buy a house with crowns. I only buy if its around 10-15k so its like 120dollars in my steam. If its expensive than that i wont buy. And i think there are tons of people like that. The amount of people who will buy that house with 20k crown is not double of the people who will buy with 10k.

Lets wait and see.

Edit: Also in-game gold is NOT free in real life if you have a job. Every hour I spend farming gold is an hour I didn't spend making actual money at this place called WORK.

You can buy titles in real life, so why not in a game?

Haha Fair point. You have no idea what I spent on the title of Esquire IRL. Definitely not worth it.

I guess my point is that when I see someone with Flawless Conqueror or Grand Overlord, I am impressed. There is a title i believe for owning all 3 manners, which is almost 12 million gold in game. I see that, and again, i am impressed. It kind of diminishes the achievement if you can get it with a credit card...

because having a credit card, and the credit to back it up, takes no effort whatsoever right?

By that logic, we should just sell VMA weapons in the crown store.

idk

imnotanother wrote: »

10k is my guess...and people will pay it. For a manor at least

Agree. Manors will probably be 10-15k unfurnished. It should be expected just as threads complaining about the price is to be expected.

Sigtric

lehran wrote: »

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

lehran wrote: »

I'd guess the manors will run around 24k, large houses 12k, medium 6k, small 3k, and apartments 1.5k for unfurnished, and furnished prices to be 1.5-2k higher. Judging by how much they price everything else on the store, I doubt it will be remotely cheap to get anything good, much less all of them.

Thats rediculous....

Say that to a 4500 crown elk mount... I imagine the work put into houses is a lot more than the work put into slapping that thing together. At least the dro-m'athra senche had flair to it. I'd love it if I was proven wrong and the prices are half of what I said, but I'm not keeping my hopes up. Plus, things that are available for in-game gold tend to be overpriced on the crown store as well (5000 crown motif books anyone?)

@lehran

It's a real conundrum. There's no doubt that something like Wrothgar, Thieves Guild, Dark Brotherhood, Imperial City, each individually required more work and more labor hours among more people than just that single Elk, yet that Elk was the most expensive thing we've seen to date, and you can get all the mentioned DLC's for less.

Housing... I expect them to set a new record for expense on the crown store. I'd be comfortable for around 10k on the largest houses but, I am likely being too conservative and will most likely end up disappointed.... but we shall see.

All I do know is if anything on the store ends up costing more than the most expensive Crown packs, they either need to add packages that have more crowns in them, or offer a way to buy multiple crown packs at once. If a manor cost say 20k and someone is willing to spend that much, having to make 4 individual purchases of 5500 crowns is dumb.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Arguments of merit, titles, effort, whatever aside, I still think the manors are going to be more than people think. If they made the manors instantly affordable to everyone in the game, nobody would buy the smaller homes. If they were only selling one house, then I agree it would be priced on the high end of what we have seen so far.

People say only whales will buy the big ones if they are expensive, personally, I think only the whales will try to buy them all. I think they want their average costumer to purchase a small to mid-sized house, spend a while upgrading it and decorating it, and then buy a bigger one and so forth. If everyone can just log in on patch day and buy a manor straight away, they wouldn't need to buy any others.

Also, these things are 3.8 million gold in game. That is a ton of gold for some, a seemingly impossible amount for most, and easily affordable to only a small few. I would expect their to be at least some correlation between gold prices and crown prices. In game, a Manor costs about 60 times what a Small House does. I dont know if we will see that kind of difference in the crown store, but you know they arent going to just give the small houses away and the manors will certainly cost a lot more.

We are now seeing an entire "product line" if you will by ZOS. My guess is that there is going to be a good chunk of people that will scoff at the price of the highest homes, and other's will spend a good chunk of money to go after them. If your average person walks into a jewelry store or car dealer, there is going to be stuff in their price range and stuff that is not. I expect this to be similar.

Obviously, it is all speculation, but my bet is 25k for manors and a touch less for the crown store exclusives. I say that, because that is about were I would start to draw the line and just buy it with gold. I have more than enough gold and have a job. They want us to think hard about dropping the gold but ultimately view the crowns as a better deal. If these things cost 5k crowns as people have suggested, it would be a no brainer.

lehran

@Sigtric I definitely agree with everything you said. I'm personally hoping that the pricing ends up being about a third of what I initially said, as I feel that would move a lot more houses in the crown store than massively inflated ones will. I'm also of the opinion that you should still need the relevant achievements unlocked before being allowed to buy them from the crown store, but I have a feeling that isn't going to change between PTS and release. I've been wanting to suggest adding a "quantity" field when purchasing crowns so that we can get more than 5500 per transaction but there's no appropriate forum here on the boards to really do so in a way it'll get seen by relevant people (I like to stock up when they go on sale, and my bank starts rejecting my credit card after 10 identical transactions in short succession, as I've discovered during the previous sale when trying to buy a mass of crowns).

I do like that they price DLCs lower than cosmetics, as it allows more people the ability to enjoy the full game without too much expense. I just also think they overprice their cosmetics by a ton. It will therefore not surprise me in the least should they overprice houses as well, since they can also be considered "cosmetic" (they do not add any new adventuring content unlike DLC).

Jazbay_Grape

Well, since I spend 99% of my time getting rolled in PVP, and I can't use AP to buy a house, I'm going to have to utilize legal tender to purchase the Stay Moist Mansion. Oh, and that kinda sucks.

hingarthuub17_ESO

Jazbay_Grape wrote: »

Well, since I spend 99% of my time getting rolled in PVP, and I can't use AP to buy a house, I'm going to have to utilize legal tender to purchase the Stay Moist Mansion. Oh, and that kinda sucks.

Well done - that made me lol pretty hard

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Also, I know everyone's first instinct is to compare the price of something (say a shiny new mount) to the price of a DLC or a Brand New Game. Frankly, I think that kind of comparison is pretty meaningless for the most part. This is not a normal title, it's an MMO. What is the realistic lifespan of most games? 40-50 hours is what I would guess, with some of the bigger RPGs like Skyrim and Fallout being more, maybe 150-200 hours. Type "/Played" and see how many days, weeks, months you have in game. They arent even in the same ball park if you have been playing since launch.

Most people buy a game for 50 bucks, spend a month or 2 beating it and move on to the next one. Not so with an MMO. They release DLCs to try to fill that void. Instead of buying a new game, here is a slightly cheaper option to keep you playing another few months, and so on.

Crown items are a totally different animal. They are playing to peoples vanity, and hours spent making the skin or cost of a DLC arent relevant to what they will charge. They will do what any other business does and maximize profit, which is why most business have product lines that range in price from very low to very high. This will be no different.

MythicEmperor

The little bit of hope I have left in ZO$ says that the manors will be ~5k, but after that elk...

Pandorii

hingarthuub17_ESO wrote: »

Jazbay_Grape wrote: »

Well, since I spend 99% of my time getting rolled in PVP, and I can't use AP to buy a house, I'm going to have to utilize legal tender to purchase the Stay Moist Mansion. Oh, and that kinda sucks.

Well done - that made me lol pretty hard

It made me lol too when I read that for the first time, but it's actually a legitimate name of a property.

All this speculation gives me a headache. There's so much variation in people's expectations. I wish ZOS would just publish the prices for once (or rather always) once they are revealed to the world through PTS or crown store showcase.

Jazbay_Grape

Pandorii wrote: »

hingarthuub17_ESO wrote: »

Jazbay_Grape wrote: »

Well, since I spend 99% of my time getting rolled in PVP, and I can't use AP to buy a house, I'm going to have to utilize legal tender to purchase the Stay Moist Mansion. Oh, and that kinda sucks.

Well done - that made me lol pretty hard

It made me lol too when I read that for the first time, but it's actually a legitimate name of a property.

All this speculation gives me a headache. There's so much variation in people's expectations. I wish ZOS would just publish the prices for once (or rather always) once they are revealed to the world through PTS or crown store showcase.

It's not just a legitimate name, its THE best name for a property ever and the only reason I'm buying it with not AP.

rotaugen454

I agree with the person who said it will vary greatly because ZoS wants to sell the smaller ones too. Otherwise everyone gets an island and a castle and never buys the smaller ones.

I typed "played" and have over 2500 hours in, so if I divide the dollars spent by that, it's still pretty cheap entertainment, and I'm a mini-whale, like a beluga maybe.

rakrynaz

Stirring time!

With you guys saying that ZOS would be crazy / going too far if they priced houses at $350+ you should check out Star Citizen if you haven't played that yet.

Star Citizen has in-game ships that people have paid around £4,000 for (Yes, four thousand pounds). The game is still in early access and I stupidly blew around £800+ on it across three spaceships as a result of the hype. I now regret it completely.

They should price them at least £300+ per manor......Ok no I'm trolling on that bit haha!

If they charge more than 5,500 Crowns per manor then as I've stated in a previous post on another thread, they would be completely undermining their entire game as they would be suggesting that an in-game house is worth more than the entire Gold Edition of the game.

They would also lose a lot of players as a result of their greedy behaviour if they tried charging more than 5,500 Crowns. The 4,500 Elk was blatantly a test to see if people would be willing to pay it and to also set the bar so that people would compare house prices to it. Sly move

Berenhir

Just LOL at everyone who truly believes in a manor for less than 20k crowns. That would be so ridiculous. You might get a medium home for 5k though.

rotaugen454

This brings up another issue. ZoS needs to have a Quantity field on Crown purchases. When I buy the 5500 packs and want 44000 total, I have to go through the process 8 times and wait a while per purchase or my card thinks there is some fraud going on and locks until I call them.

N0TPLAYER2

All this talk of 25k crowns!

$40 for 5500.

25k crowns costs $180. You can damn near buy a new Xbox for this price.

You guys REALLY think manors should be priced this high??

I plan to buy one with gold, but still.. $100 plus on a cosmetic item in a game. You guys should really reevaluate your priorities.

rotaugen454

N0TPLAYER2 wrote: »

All this talk of 25k crowns!

$40 for 5500.

25k crowns costs $180. You can damn near buy a new Xbox for this price.

You guys REALLY think manors should be priced this high??

I plan to buy one with gold, but still.. $100 plus on a cosmetic item in a game. You guys should really reevaluate your priorities.

Everyone keeps quoting the 5500 for $40. I wait until there is a sale and it is 5500 for $24. Then I stock up on a huge amount of crowns so I have them on hand any time I want them.

Cyrediath

N0TPLAYER2 wrote: »

All this talk of 25k crowns!

$40 for 5500.

25k crowns costs $180. You can damn near buy a new Xbox for this price.

You guys REALLY think manors should be priced this high??

I plan to buy one with gold, but still.. $100 plus on a cosmetic item in a game. You guys should really reevaluate your priorities.

I can see the next comments.

"lulz i zan pey 50k crwn lowar zhan 40k is stooped"

Oreyn_Bearclaw

N0TPLAYER2 wrote: »

All this talk of 25k crowns!

$40 for 5500.

25k crowns costs $180. You can damn near buy a new Xbox for this price.

You guys REALLY think manors should be priced this high??

I plan to buy one with gold, but still.. $100 plus on a cosmetic item in a game. You guys should really reevaluate your priorities.

There is a difference between what people think things should cost and what they will cost, as evidenced by every rage thread about mount prices over the past year.

Admittedly, I do NOT think a Manor should cost 5k (I also dont think they should cost 50k). I think it would diminish the rest of the housing and the titles associated with it. I think "count" should be a pretty rare thing to see. If they cost 5k each, everyone and their mom will be a count/countess. I think those titles should be reserved for people that have worked hard in-game to maximize their finances to be able to drop 12 million gold on real-estate, but again, just my opinion.

lehran

rotaugen454 wrote: »

N0TPLAYER2 wrote: »

All this talk of 25k crowns!

$40 for 5500.

25k crowns costs $180. You can damn near buy a new Xbox for this price.

You guys REALLY think manors should be priced this high??

I plan to buy one with gold, but still.. $100 plus on a cosmetic item in a game. You guys should really reevaluate your priorities.

Everyone keeps quoting the 5500 for $40. I wait until there is a sale and it is 5500 for $24. Then I stock up on a huge amount of crowns so I have them on hand any time I want them.

This is my strategy as well. I rarely buy crowns at full price. at $24 for 5500, it runs you about $100 for a 24k crown item (you need to buy 5 packs unless you have a bit left over from something else).

rhapsodious

Not expecting to be able to afford the crown-exclusive estates in the near future, which is a shame as I'd like the island hideaway but I can make do with the EP manor that I can nearly afford with gold.

I'm thinking the large/exclusive homes will be firmly in whale territory as far as pricing goes.

Also, why does this thread show up in the dev tracker? Was there a deleted dev reply, or...?

Tandor

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

N0TPLAYER2 wrote: »

All this talk of 25k crowns!

$40 for 5500.

25k crowns costs $180. You can damn near buy a new Xbox for this price.

You guys REALLY think manors should be priced this high??

I plan to buy one with gold, but still.. $100 plus on a cosmetic item in a game. You guys should really reevaluate your priorities.

There is a difference between what people think things should cost and what they will cost, as evidenced by every rage thread about mount prices over the past year.

Admittedly, I do NOT think a Manor should cost 5k (I also dont think they should cost 50k). I think it would diminish the rest of the housing and the titles associated with it. I think "count" should be a pretty rare thing to see. If they cost 5k each, everyone and their mom will be a count/countess. I think those titles should be reserved for people that have worked hard in-game to maximize their finances to be able to drop 12 million gold on real-estate, but again, just my opinion.

The problem with that is that there are different ways of "working hard" in-game, such as trading, PvPing, PvEing, crafting, chasing achievements, etc. To those we can shortly add "furnishing and decorating homes". Guess which is the only one that will drop 12 million gold on you? What about the players who worked equally hard to be really good at what they do in-game? Why should they have to settle for second or third best in the housing stakes? They've committed just as much time and money to the game as anyone else.

Some people seem to think that the only guide to how hard you have worked in a game (which is for playing, by the way, not working) is how much money you have made. I guess that mirrors similar attitudes towards real life where the person who say sells properties for millions is seen by some as having worked harder than say someone who "only" saves lives for a living with not a lot to show for it.

Osteos

I agree with whoever said the houses will be reasonably priced so people buy multiple furniture packs.

Kessra

To be fair, most of the models and props used for homestead have already been in the game since beta but are now obtainable by players. This includes furnitures as well. A couple of items are proably new. So plenty of prework therefore was already done beforehand I guess. Also, the ingame-editor was probably used by ZOS internally before and is now given to the hands of the user-base, though I may be worng on this one.

For those who have downloaded the PTS and played arround with the editor a bit will eventually figured out that certain items like statues or furnitures can be obtained via crowns as well. Purple stuff costs 400 crowns while common ones are much cheaper. Based on the cost of one item one might try to figure out the probable cost of a mansion via the crown store.

I'm not sure if buying a house including interior via crowns does actually cost more compared to unfurnished ones. If you keep in mind though that furnished homes take up i.e. 350/700 slots for a manor (including the ESO+ additional space) already and then take an average price of 50-100 crowns per item the additional costs would be imense.

I myself also think that large houses will end up arround 5k crowns with mansions topping them for maybe 10k+ crowns (which is also roughly the crowns you get for a 6 month ESO+ membership).

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Tandor wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

N0TPLAYER2 wrote: »

All this talk of 25k crowns!

$40 for 5500.

25k crowns costs $180. You can damn near buy a new Xbox for this price.

You guys REALLY think manors should be priced this high??

I plan to buy one with gold, but still.. $100 plus on a cosmetic item in a game. You guys should really reevaluate your priorities.

There is a difference between what people think things should cost and what they will cost, as evidenced by every rage thread about mount prices over the past year.

Admittedly, I do NOT think a Manor should cost 5k (I also dont think they should cost 50k). I think it would diminish the rest of the housing and the titles associated with it. I think "count" should be a pretty rare thing to see. If they cost 5k each, everyone and their mom will be a count/countess. I think those titles should be reserved for people that have worked hard in-game to maximize their finances to be able to drop 12 million gold on real-estate, but again, just my opinion.

The problem with that is that there are different ways of "working hard" in-game, such as trading, PvPing, PvEing, crafting, chasing achievements, etc. To those we can shortly add "furnishing and decorating homes". Guess which is the only one that will drop 12 million gold on you? What about the players who worked equally hard to be really good at what they do in-game? Why should they have to settle for second or third best in the housing stakes? They've committed just as much time and money to the game as anyone else.

Some people seem to think that the only guide to how hard you have worked in a game (which is for playing, by the way, not working) is how much money you have made. I guess that mirrors similar attitudes towards real life where the person who say sells properties for millions is seen by some as having worked harder than say someone who "only" saves lives for a living with not a lot to show for it.

@Tandor

I will never equate wealth with quality of character in real life. In a game however, we have titles for different things. You work hard in PVP, you get ranks. You work hard in VMA you get a flawless title. Work Hard in Trials and you get get a cool skin to tell everyone you kicked butt in VMOL, etc. I have never played a game where housing wasnt tied in someway to finances.

If you want to be a Count, play the economy and buy some home houses. Playing the economy is the most important aspect of the game for some (I am certainly not one of them). There is no other title I am aware of that is associated with that. I am not saying one style of gameplay is more valuable than the other. If you dont want to play the economy, then buy a small or medium sized house after a day or two of farming. They arent all that much. If you want to talk lore, the person living in the biggest house in the zone is not broke...

Where I have a problem is the ability to buy said title for money, which is exactly what will happen if these things only go for like 5k crowns. If they put Grand Warlord for sale in the crown store, people would lose their minds.

Cyrediath

Maybe 10k for a manor and 25k 3 manors pack?

Bryanonymous

Houses will be cheaper than people believe because they are in direct competition with in game gold and must remain realistically affordable. Has anything ever been priced higher that the largest crown pack? My guess, manor will cost 5500 crowns.