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StamSorc - The most uncalled for nerf in 2.7 -_-
PainfulFAFA
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So ZOS you're tryna tell me that after the two years that Stamsorc was dead..... that you finally added SOMETHING useful for them 2-3 patches ago... is getting a flat nerf just like that?
Was it the PvE'ers? Streamers? Glasscannon gankers? This is one of the most uncalled nerfs in the entire patch notes...
I was expecting BUFFS... to at least the Implosion passive... 6% proc chance at <15% HP was always bad but better than nothing...
But no... lets nerf Stamsorcs instead of StamNB OP burst, Stamplar OP Sustain, or StamDK OP Tankiness/Sustain. Those three other classes have far better class abilities, passives, buffs, and Ultimates and the guy in charge of balance decides to nerf the class with 2buffs, 2 class abilities, and 3 passives?
Was super excited to see AoE Cap changes but now you this?
What does everyone else think about this?
Was it the PvE'ers? Streamers? Glasscannon gankers? This is one of the most uncalled nerfs in the entire patch notes...
I was expecting BUFFS... to at least the Implosion passive... 6% proc chance at <15% HP was always bad but better than nothing...
But no... lets nerf Stamsorcs instead of StamNB OP burst, Stamplar OP Sustain, or StamDK OP Tankiness/Sustain. Those three other classes have far better class abilities, passives, buffs, and Ultimates and the guy in charge of balance decides to nerf the class with 2buffs, 2 class abilities, and 3 passives?
Was super excited to see AoE Cap changes but now you this?
What does everyone else think about this?
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PainfulFAFA✭✭✭✭✭
✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »what nerf are you refering to?
what skill are you meaning ?I think he refers to hurricane
yep
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/311863/hurricane-just-got-nerfed-20-on-damage-sec-on-average-o-0#latest2 -
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✭It's sucks once again Sorcs getting the shaft this patch unless your the one person that uses summoned pets they just need to introduce a class change token already so we can abandon the sorc and just pretend this class doesn't exist.
I don't understand why Sorc just gets *** on every patchEdited by RebornV3x on January 4, 2017 3:20AMXbox One - NA GT: RebornV3x
I also play on PC from time to time but I just wanna be left alone on there so sorry.7 -
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✭✭✭✭✭you can make a mile wide Girth pulling out of stealth not only nightblades but anything in your Path, that is horrible for PvP.
nothing should be this powerfull, nothing should pull us out of stealth like that, [only bosses can do that]2 -
KisoValley✭✭✭✭✭Yeah while Implosion is bugged and is proccing when it shouldn't, as well as the facts stam sorcs are the best open world class right now and are fotm, you're crying about a nerf to hurricane? lol21 -
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✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »you can make a mile wide Girth pulling out of stealth not only nightblades but anything in your Path, that is horrible for PvP.
nothing should be this powerfull, nothing should pull us out of stealth like that, [only bosses can do that]
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MalakithAlamahdi✭✭✭✭✭Stam sorcs were OP in this update reguarding pvp. I don't agree with a lot of changes, but this one is deff right if you ask me.4 -
Blackfyre20✭✭✭✭2/10 troll post... Asking for an implosion buff was a dead giveaway right off the bat followed shortly by declaring stamplars having OP sustain and every other class being better.Buff Soft Caps2 -
PainfulFAFA✭✭✭✭✭
✭KisoValley wrote: »Yeah while Implosion is bugged and is proccing when it shouldn't, as well as the facts stam sorcs are the best open world class right now and are fotm, you're crying about a nerf to hurricane? lol
You must be talking about that bug when Hurricane first came out several months ago... which was fixed.
Im am not aware, nor have i ever been killed or suspicious of somebody killing with a bugged Implosion proc.
And the only reason Stamsorc is the best open world class is because of their speed. Did you forget the fact that zos fixed that bugged movement speed? When they fixed that, that made stamsorc extremely fast, you can outrun anything.
I farm on my stamsorc because i can get from Point A to Point B in seconds.
I PvP on my Stam sorc because i can solo, and outrun ANYTHING.
And this coming from stamsorc since 1.4ish
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Lucky28✭✭✭✭✭
✭the most uncalled for nerf is the nerf to magblade, you know the already under-performing class that is getting unjustifiably nerfed. at least stamsorc will still be good while magblade has been hurting and got nothing to alleviate it. just a nerf no one asked for.Edited by Lucky28 on January 4, 2017 3:30AMInvictus5 -
Zanen✭✭✭Yeah I don't get it, actually I really don't get what they're trying to accomplish with this skill. Why would you make it necessary to have your major mitigations fall off to get the last, biggest tick on your class aoe?
There's a lot of stuff in this game that seems clunky by design though, I suppose somebody thinks that's how you make gameplay engaging.
If they needed to tone the damage down they could have just doubled the initial damage and left it there for the duration, just have the diameter increase. Would have been a 6% sustained DPS nerf and gotten rid of the big ticks if that's the problem.
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PainfulFAFA✭✭✭✭✭
✭the most uncalled for nerf is the nerf to magblade, you know the already under-performing class that is getting unjustifiably nerfed. at least your class will still be good while magblade has been hurting and got nothing to alleviate it. just nerfed.
The cloak fixes will bring back mageblade. Ive been playing on my mageblade for the past several weeks and the only thing that kills me is proc sets/certain abilties taking you out of stealth. Other than that, my heavy att gankblade would be perfect.0 -
DragonBound✭✭✭✭✭This is the closest anyone can get to a battlemage and clearly tons of people like this playstyle I do not understand the point of this.1
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ostrapz✭✭✭Dark deal too good, implosion is too strong, it can hit you for 9k on a good build, coupled with the fact that a dawnbreaker dot, Hurricanentropy dot, light attack weave and poison inject make that 6% alot bigger than youd expect. Hurricane honestly is too strong, maybe mostly againsthe nb's but considering that you will take the full damage of a hurricane if your engaging in a battle with a stam sorc it's not a bad dot. While I think a change to dark deal/implosion would have been a better move for all parties I'm sure stamsorcs will stay the best stam class as they have been for the past patchXbox 1 NA
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Stamsorc: Major
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CyrusArya✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭In my honest opinion, having played the game since 1.6, stamina sorc on live is the most OP class I have ever seen holistically speaking. This is considering pvp and pve. In the former it has the best mobility, best damage, and best sustain..heavy armor dot builds in particular. In the latter it has some of the highest dps and also surge is just insanely strong in PvE. Stam sorc claims the title of best open world/solo pvp class, the best stamina class in groups, and also the highest VMA scores to date.
This isn't even a matter of opinions at this point...objectively stamina sorc is the strongest class in the game and youd have to be really biased to claim it is balanced and undeserving of some kind of nerf.4 -
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Lmao, they fixing cloak since release and you know what? It becomes more and more horrible for openworld magickanbPainfulFAFA wrote: »the most uncalled for nerf is the nerf to magblade, you know the already under-performing class that is getting unjustifiably nerfed. at least your class will still be good while magblade has been hurting and got nothing to alleviate it. just nerfed.
The cloak fixes will bring back mageblade. Ive been playing on my mageblade for the past several weeks and the only thing that kills me is proc sets/certain abilties taking you out of stealth. Other than that, my heavy att gankblade would be perfect.
Edited by Sugaroverdose on January 4, 2017 3:51AM1 -
PainfulFAFA✭✭✭✭✭
✭In my honest opinion, having played the game since 1.6, stamina sorc on live is the most OP class I have ever seen holistically speaking. This is considering pvp and pve. In the former it has the best mobility, best damage, and best sustain..heavy armor dot builds in particular. In the latter it has some of the highest dps and also surge is just insanely strong in PvE. Stam sorc claims the title of best open world/solo pvp class, the best stamina class in groups, and also the highest VMA scores to date.
This isn't even a matter of opinions at this point...objectively stamina sorc is the strongest class in the game and youd have to be really biased to claim it is balanced and undeserving of some kind of nerf.
In my honest opinion having played the game since launch, stam sorc on live is only OP because of all the sets introduced in One Tamriel. Those damn procsets made every class strong but stamsorc stood out the most because of their speed and only their speed. Not to mention a few streamers over-hyping stamsorc but using broken sets to showcase them.
Again, the only reason many people think their OP is because of One Tamriel sets. Yes i have run vMA and the only reason why it felt insanlely easy to do vMA again was because of the new sets i was wearing along with the faster speed we got from bug fixes. Remember....vMA is about time.... so what better class to use than the one with speed?
Group Pvp- i agree stam sorc is the best class to have a in zerg. Endless Rapids, and your entire bar can be AoE damage and the mobility is cool for setting up camps. I guess thats OP?
Solo pvp - agree its one of the best open world only because no zerg can outrun a stamsorc
Pve- its great, but not the best. All they got going is crit surge and good aoe dmg. Other than that, their single target is subpar compared to other stam classes pulling 40k+ (mines at 35k singletarget)
Edited by PainfulFAFA on January 4, 2017 4:01AM1 -
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✭✭✭PainfulFAFA wrote: »Yes i have run vMA and the only reason why it felt insanlely easy to do vMA again was because of the new sets i was wearing along with the faster speed we got from bug fixes. Remember....vMA is about time.... so what better class to use than the one with speed?
Its not the speed in the conventional sense that makes them so good in vma, but the speed at which they kill things. Its the fact that they out put the highest damage by the numbers in that setting (highest stam, highest max weapon damage), hurricane is insanely strong given the damage it does over the massive area it hits, and most importantly that surge in conjunction with hurricane allows you to drop vigor and slot more dps.
Now truthfully I don't care much about PvE balance. In PvP however dark deal is just plain broken. Stam sorc is the only class that can flat out ignore sustain and perform at peak capacity. If you play any other stam classes, the difference dark deal makes is obvious. Sure it can be bashed, but at the same time the bash can be dodged by shuffle and you have full mobility while casting the skill. This makes good stam sorcs very slippery and hard to run out of resources. Not to mention all it takes is one streak thru an opponent to guarantee a dark deal. Im speaking from experience here. Just try to play a stamplar with 600 stam regen and report back on how that went. You might be able to make it work, but no where near as well as a stam sorc.2 -
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✭Stam Sorcs are extremely OP atm. I was even able to do some VMSA rounds with my stam sorc with full purple training gear and was doing as good as my magicka sorc on full gold divines gear. It was insane.PC/DC/NAserver
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✭They were supposed to nerf dd lolThis recent update has made me sad. Sad for the game. Sad for the community. Sad to pay whatever it is now. I want the previous eso back.0 -
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✭✭PainfulFAFA wrote: »So ZOS you're tryna tell me that after the two years that Stamsorc was dead..... that you finally added SOMETHING useful for them 2-3 patches ago... is getting a flat nerf just like that?
Was it the PvE'ers? Streamers? Glasscannon gankers? This is one of the most uncalled nerfs in the entire patch notes...
I was expecting BUFFS... to at least the Implosion passive... 6% proc chance at <15% HP was always bad but better than nothing...
But no... lets nerf Stamsorcs instead of StamNB OP burst, Stamplar OP Sustain, or StamDK OP Tankiness/Sustain. Those three other classes have far better class abilities, passives, buffs, and Ultimates and the guy in charge of balance decides to nerf the class with 2buffs, 2 class abilities, and 3 passives?
Was super excited to see AoE Cap changes but now you this?
What does everyone else think about this?
Hold a GIGANTIC L for this. Most ignorant statement I've ever seen on these forums. Before you make such false statements please do your research before hand. Stamplar sustain doesn't even compare to the other 3 stamina classes. If anything the most uncalled for Nerf was making it so you can't repent engine guardian. Our sustain is already horrible and just got worse. Don't believe me? Ask all the stamplars in cyrodiil. Oh wait...Edited by templesus on January 4, 2017 5:09AM0 -
Zanen✭✭✭Yeah it isn't that stam sorc doesn't need balancing it's what they changed that makes no sense.
Like a lot of things...0 -
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✭✭✭You have Dark Deal are you really calling Stamplars 'OP Sustain'? Really?@Solar_Breeze
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✭Did he just say stamplars have great sustain what game are you playing?Stamplar sustain is trash.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Slightly lowering of the damage of hurricane, and here you are screaming about nerfing the class into the ground. Wow, just wow.
I mean, do you wanna exchange for mDK dragon blood maybe? The new revamped heal that requires you to be out of magicka in order to heal yourself for the same amount as 1 vigor tick?2 -
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✭I blame One Tamriel for this nerf. Those sets that were introduced made this class and the rest stronger. The class by itself is trash tho. But thanks for nerfing the only stam DPS they have. Im sure that armor sets increasing
Physical dmg/Melee dmg/Physical Penetration had nothing to do with Hurricane feeling OP..
Also, no stam sorc with 600 regen (anything less than 1k) is going to kill you and i and still survive with Dark Deal in Cyrodiil. Not One. The most they can spam it will be 3-4 times (w/o pots).
The only scenario that min/maxer can win is if hes wearing proc sets . Im sure y'all know which three sets are the stam fotm.
If you think stamsorc is fotm/OP/"best stam class on live" you probably lost to an armor set, not stamsorc.
It seems like zos is "balancing classes" based on armor sets... instead of balancing armor sets based on classes...
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Concerning Stamina builds:What does everyone else think about this?
Imo, Sorc is out performing both NB and Templar in PVE DPS. Large part of that is Hurricane/Implosion.
Imo, Sorc is out performing NB, Templar, and DK in PVP. Large part of that is Hurricane/Implosion/Dark Deal.
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AzuraKin✭✭✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »you can make a mile wide Girth pulling out of stealth not only nightblades but anything in your Path, that is horrible for PvP.
nothing should be this powerfull, nothing should pull us out of stealth like that, [only bosses can do that]
lol so what you saying, they should remove the whole aoe abilities capacity to pull people out of stealth?v160 spellsword (nightblade)
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