Magicka Nightblade PTS discussion (homestead)

CavalryPK · January 2017

Soo.. what do you guys think.

I am sad because of this...

Strife: Increased the cost of this ability and its morphs by approximately 38%.

Lucky28 · January 2017

nothing the magblade needed..... depressing

and they didn't even buff the damage or heal from strife, wth?.

FoolishHuman · January 2017

It will make playing a NB healer much more difficult now.

xblackroxe · January 2017

Yeah pve wise they only nerfed an ability nobody uses anyways.

YES OP BALANCING

Tryxus · January 2017

xblackroxe wrote: »

Yeah pve wise they only nerfed an ability nobody uses anyways.

YES OP BALANCING

Sap Tanks?

Erondil · January 2017

Magblade solo pvp was already in a bad state now with strife huge cost increasd, valkyn/grothdarr nerf and clouding swarm officially rip, it looks to be completely dead lol

Rohamad_Ali · January 2017

I'm ordering antidepressants online .

Brrrofski · January 2017

Yeh, that hurts my saptank a lot.

Also, hurts magica nbs in PvP a lot. Why did they feel the need to nerf Macia nbs? Seriously, who thought that?

Erondil · January 2017

Brrrofski wrote: »

Yeh, that hurts my saptank a lot.

Also, hurts magica nbs in PvP a lot. Why did they feel the need to nerf Macia nbs? Seriously, who thought that?

new saptank: desert rose+frost staff+siphoning attacks wtf :^)

rob.sfoub17_ESO · January 2017

I can't believe they nerfed Magicka Nightblades. We were already in a bad spot...this really hurts. A 38% cost increase for Strife?!?!

Everyone complained that Concealed Weapon cost too much and wasn't worth using, so the fix is to make Strife cost just as much???

DRXHarbinger · January 2017

1300 recovery with siphoning strikes up makes it cost nowt in real terms. Currently when weaving it's free. Nothing to worry about. Use siphoning and actually weave and none of this dw spam crap (poor dps btw) and it'll be fine. It's increased by what 300?

Rohamad_Ali · January 2017

@Wrobel Please stop nerfing Magblade . Pretty please with moonsugar on top . We needed a buff to Majic damage to compare with stamina damage . Are saps in PvP are a joke . Assasins will hits like a wet noodle . Please log in a Magblade and duel me on any class so you can see .

Erondil · January 2017

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

1300 recovery with siphoning strikes up makes it cost nowt in real terms. Currently when weaving it's free. Nothing to worry about. Use siphoning and actually weave and none of this dw spam crap (poor dps btw) and it'll be fine. It's increased by what 300?

In PvP this cost increase means alot.

Lucky28 · January 2017

@ZOS_GinaBruno @Wrobel

i gotta ask why. people have been saying magicka nightblades needed help to compete with other classes and yet all they get are nerfs?, why?.

Auricle · January 2017

Yeah, this is complete nonsense. I like that my magblade doesn't have to use force pulse all the time. Why would you take that away? Who hurt you, ZoS?

Brrrofski · January 2017

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

1300 recovery with siphoning strikes up makes it cost nowt in real terms. Currently when weaving it's free. Nothing to worry about. Use siphoning and actually weave and none of this dw spam crap (poor dps btw) and it'll be fine. It's increased by what 300?

It's a lot in PvP.

Also it's the main sustain tool for my saptank. No more PvE permablock

KoreanAwtamatic · January 2017

Please ZOS allow summon shade to be placed without target

Uriseph · January 2017

Auricle wrote: »

Yeah, this is complete nonsense. I like that my magblade doesn't have to use force pulse all the time. Why would you take that away? Who hurt you, ZoS?

Umm.. It'll still cost less than force pulse. My current tooltip w/ swallow soul is 1003. A %38 increase in cost will bring it up to 1381 making it cost less than force pulse which costs me around 1980 and I can easily sustain with that. I don't see what the huge deal is.

runagate · January 2017

Erondil wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Yeh, that hurts my saptank a lot.

Also, hurts magica nbs in PvP a lot. Why did they feel the need to nerf Macia nbs? Seriously, who thought that?

new saptank: desert rose+frost staff+siphoning attacks wtf :^)

Weirdly, I was already doing that.

But... sort of as a joke, just to monkey around with.

Using Siphoning and weaving most assuredly will leave you with no magicka rather quickly now. I just now realized that Dark Deal was left untouched. Glad I have more than 8 class combinations to choose from as I couldn't even get my newer magblade to work in PvP before this catastrophe.

bowmanz607 · January 2017

Uriseph wrote: »

Auricle wrote: »

Yeah, this is complete nonsense. I like that my magblade doesn't have to use force pulse all the time. Why would you take that away? Who hurt you, ZoS?

Umm.. It'll still cost less than force pulse. My current tooltip w/ swallow soul is 1003. A %38 increase in cost will bring it up to 1381 making it cost less than force pulse which costs me around 1980 and I can easily sustain with that. I don't see what the huge deal is.

This, heck can easily get under 1000. Plus the da mage and heal are solid. Everything will be fine.

alephthiago · January 2017

I see no reason to raise that cost too lol
I mean, the skills heals a bit? Yes.
The damage is big? Hell no, its very weak and the heal is based on % of that damage and then cut by battle spirit.
Why increase its cost? WHY? WHYYYYYYYY?

zyk · January 2017

@ZOS_GinaBruno It is very stressful for players to see significant negative changes without explanation. Can you please provide the rationale behind these changes?

OdinForge · January 2017

Magicka NB wasn't bad before, but it certainly will be now.

I'm not sure what drugs they took before deciding strife needed any kind of cost increase.

J2JMC · January 2017

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

1300 recovery with siphoning strikes up makes it cost nowt in real terms. Currently when weaving it's free. Nothing to worry about. Use siphoning and actually weave and none of this dw spam crap (poor dps btw) and it'll be fine. It's increased by what 300?

What pve magicka nightblades(or magicka dps classes in general) are running around with 1300 recovery? Like yeah in pvp this change is pretty insignificant(which is sad bc that's the group being targeted) but in pve running the atronach plus any piece of recovery gear is a huge dps loss for the lowest performing mag dps in the game.

That being said, being the lowest performing magicka dps in the game was completely fine for 99 percent of the player-base because the magicka nightblade still added great utility and was excellent for solo content like vma(second easiest class to complete vma on when the trial first released after sorcerer.) However, if they're going to remove resource cost efficiency and utility(funnel health nerf a few months back) they need to compensate with damage.

Duukar · January 2017

I agree. I was looking for a buff to magicka NBs to bring them more in line with stamina in PvP.

Instead we get a nerf?

Where did this come from?

Too many high performing non stam NBs I guess...........

Jim_Pipp · January 2017

I agree this is a serious issue and I don't mean to make light of it, but there is a really exciting superficial change... Khajiit and argonians will have different shades. It doesn't change anything really, but it is cool.

Lucky28 · January 2017

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Uriseph wrote: »

Auricle wrote: »

Yeah, this is complete nonsense. I like that my magblade doesn't have to use force pulse all the time. Why would you take that away? Who hurt you, ZoS?

Umm.. It'll still cost less than force pulse. My current tooltip w/ swallow soul is 1003. A %38 increase in cost will bring it up to 1381 making it cost less than force pulse which costs me around 1980 and I can easily sustain with that. I don't see what the huge deal is.

This, heck can easily get under 1000. Plus the da mage and heal are solid. Everything will be fine.

for a class that was already not doing that well in comparison to other classes getting a nerf no matter how minor 'you' think it is, is a very big deal.

Kerioko · January 2017

Look to the new magicka steal debuff. That 400 magicka per sec will easily make up for the cost to strife. Plus black rose now has a magicka passive meaning it is going to be awesome for sap tanks.

New sap tank: black rose with SnB/Ice Staff!

prototypefb · January 2017

perhaps they changed siphoning strikes to apply minor stamina/magicka leech thet would overall signifficantly improve regenerations therefore compensating that with increased skill cost?

maybe not tho xD

helediron · January 2017

Siphoning nerf + funnel healing nerf + now cost increase. Why beat the beaten?

Ashamray · January 2017

The cheapest spam dps ability now has average cost, wow, such a nurf! Anyways, Strife doesn't hurt sustain now and I think won't hurt it in the future, coz it is Sap and Shields (harness, dampen, healward) and another stuff dry your mana, not spammable attack.

You can gain 8% damage increase almost for free, and now Force \ Crushing being unreflectable is a decent alternative to Strife in PvP.

I'm more disappointed that Concealed weapon didn't receive any improvements.