In Normal Random, you must kick LV30-.In Vet, you must kick CP300- !!!

rteezy · December 2016

you can easely do ANY vet dungeon with even less cp then 160...i know i did it.

NOW, there are TERRIBLE players out there..REALLY bad ones that never cared to learn the game, and CP has nothign to do with it (i have seen cp 700 players being REALLY really bad..)

KICK the bad players, simple as that, disregard cp..if someone doesnt do enough dps..or F's up way too many times on boss strats, KICK! Im not PAYING to spend my time teaching people hwo to play or to carry deadweight.Its not about elitism its about the USE of my own money. I TOOK THE TIME to read and learn about my classes and builds and what not jsut so i wouldnt drag epople down (and personally i dont see how a game can be fun unless you play it right..)

rteezy · December 2016

Beardimus wrote: »

Wow man, sounds like a L2P issue on your part. If you cant solo a normal dungeon by now, let alone handle it alongside helping some L25 guys (who prob have 561CP just on a new toon) then you need to get better.

As for chatty groups being the worst, LOL, on mic pugs are the best kind as you can communicate and help.

Grow your patience enlightment man!

how do you seriously come up with those made up class names.. what the hell is a "chief"

Iselin · December 2016

I run a lot of dungeons both vet for my mask collection and normal for quickie key runs and daily randoms and I have to say that this elitist kicking of lowbees just for being low has to be a made-up forum gripe because I just never see it in LFG tool PUGs.

People getting kicked for getting to the dungeon AFK and staying that way? For saying "BRB" and not coming back for 5 minutes? For Qing as tank or healer when they can't do either and just wanted to get in a PUG quicker? For being spectacularly bad? For lagging behind and looking in every container while the other 3 move on to the next fight? For being a toxic rear end and annoying everyone? Yeah to all of those...

But just for being low level? I never see it. It's just made-up forum drama.

daijyashinb16_ESO · December 2016

So I'm a level 300 CP Templar Healer. I only just reached that mark. I've been able to do vWGT at around the 200 mark. I have this great guy, 600+ CP who's been helping me learn my Healer back when I was just starting to do dungeoning. He takes me along at times to duo certain dungeons. We did vVolenfell the other day as a duo and he ended up dying almost instantly to the HM of the final boss. I ended up 'effectively' soloing that boss and felt great from it. (Ok, to be fair, that's not really an accomplishment. That's just abusing AI.) I can even solo most normal dungeons (is Captain Blackheart in Blackheart's Haven actually soloable?)

I've had people teach me the right skills and explain to me the right mechanics for certain dungeons. Always been super thankful to those people because they chose, instead of raging at my low CP compared to their over 561s, to try and help me become a better player. They took time out for me and never chose to

They were help and super useful. Friended me. Some would take me along to other places to be like "Well, you might not know this, but we think it'd be great if you learnt this." Some dungeons I really don't care about doing again, some I do. I know I've never touched ICP again after learning it once. I'd certainly need to relearn the mechanics of that dungeon for sure.

So I do a lot of pugging. Group Finder, I love you at times. I did a lot of WGT on both normal and vet. I still think I have a lot to learn before going through vet again. However some of the most fun times I've had with Group Finder are playing with sub-30s who have no idea about dungeons such as WGT or RoM. There's nothing more satisfying than watching first time players beat Xal'Nur or Planar Inhibitor and them going "OMG, THAT WAS FUN!" It's really satisfying watching first time players fight against Na'Kesh and getting to the final phase of the fight. They love that. Of course, I sit and explain most of the mechanics of the fight to them and they end up enjoying it. My favourite was definitely teaching three new players, around level 15 each, how to beat WGT. It ended a little badly on Planar but it was fine and we ended up beating Molag Kena.

And you know what? Each time I do that, I remember when I was learning these dungeons for the first time and how much help I received. Seems selfish that I received so much help and I don't give anything back for that sort of help.

I beat Skoria first time in vCoAII HM with about 250 CP.

You know the CP of players I judge the most? The 300-400 CP range. It seems this range of CP have the most ... ragers and inconsiderate people. That's not to say All or even most 300-400 CP range people are like that: They're not. However there's a much MUCH higher chance that those people in that range are those that want me to vote-kick the new person to nRoM because they want 'A quick run.' They're the types of people that usually go on far ahead and then rage when someone doesn't follow them perfectly and we end up fighting an extra set of enemies. They're the types that usually run in and attack Planar Inhibitor before I can explain about portals and the pinion and then them raging "OMG WHY NOT TAKE PINION" or "OMG WHY NOT ATTACK PORTALS?"

It seems that people who are 561 CP+ seem to have huge patience for newer players. Or maybe it's because I'm a Templar Healer who uses Repentance/Shards at times. Likewise it seems that players below 300 CP seem to have an understanding that most of the time they're still relatively inexperienced at some of the hardest content in the game.

I'd rather work with newer players because the some of the hardest content in the game requires communication. If you can help the newer players, you're working on that ability. You can explain and watch what mistakes they are making. You and that player are both learning from that.

However if you insist on kicking people randomly in Random Vet at below 300 CP, I'd never would have been able to do as well I can now that I am at CP 300. Ok granted, I'd have saved two people over an hour and a half trying (and ending up failing) teaching me vWGT, but that was the only real disaster and ended up with me being a pick for many other people over much higher CP Templar Healers for some content, not just for practicing but because they knew I could end up doing it.

As for 'Number of CP dictates experience in the game', that's technically true. But some people are really slow learners and others are really fast learners. Plus I'm sure there are people at 300 CP + who never have run a dungeon before and got there through grinding or PVPing. I'm not saying a 1 CP person can be automatically better than a 300 CP person because, unless you moved to a new account/server/whatever, that's most likely impossible.

rotaugen454 · December 2016

If my 720 CP all gold gear character can't carry anyone through a normal group dungeon, then I should quit the game. Had an example two days ago of a guy trying to kick a lowbie, I and the other person voted no, so the complainer quit and we finished with just us three anyway. If someone is new and willing to learn, I'll run with them regardless of level or CP. I actually enjoy the hard runs far more than the cakewalks anyway.

shootyoureyeout · December 2016

VinyParsley2016 wrote: »

Because, these days, I saw too many discussions about people are suffering from playing with lowbies, I think it is time to let the people know this rule again. Kicking LV30- in Normal random, and CP300- in Vet random, ever and ever!

No mercy!!! Trust me, no mercy, if you are soft, finally no one will appreciate you , the only thing you get is hurt yourself.

Share a story happened last week. I ran vet random dungeon to get some XP and rewards. I got darkshade cavern 2. The crown tank and one dps(both CP200+)were in dungeon, me healer and the other DPS CP400+ were outside. I felt not good, because, based on my experience, at 90% chance it is a typical [Snip] group.

After I jumped in, I found the crown tank and CP200+ DPS were stuck in final boss engine guardian. Obviously, they know each other cuz they were chatting, loudly and noisy. Then, I can be sure 99% it is a [Snip] group. Here I want to share another rule - noisy group are usually [Snip] group. However, I still decided to have a try because we were at finally boss already, easy XP is always very tempting.

Fact proved it was my another horrible dungeon experience. The CP200- DPS' damage number was very low so we couldn't kill the boss fast, and kill the adds asap. The most annoying thing was the tank always melee attack engine guardian. I and CP400+ DPS asked them kill adds, and dont melee attack, none of them listen and follow. The tank said his dps is low, so he has to do melee attack. Very ridiculous, I don't understand! Finally, I didn't easy XP, I got another sucky boss fight. We took almost 30 mins, and 1 time wipe.

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Rule #1: NEVER judge a gamer by their level. It's this exact type of elitist mentality that give pugging a bad name and make the good/bad player gap bigger in the first place. Take them through the damned dungeon, be nice to them, and give them pointers if they need it.

Ivehn · December 2016

daijyashinb16_ESO wrote: »

So I'm a level 300 CP Templar Healer. I only just reached that mark. I've been able to do vWGT at around the 200 mark. I have this great guy, 600+ CP who's been helping me learn my Healer back when I was just starting to do dungeoning. He takes me along at times to duo certain dungeons. We did vVolenfell the other day as a duo and he ended up dying almost instantly to the HM of the final boss. I ended up 'effectively' soloing that boss and felt great from it. (Ok, to be fair, that's not really an accomplishment. That's just abusing AI.) I can even solo most normal dungeons (is Captain Blackheart in Blackheart's Haven actually soloable?)

I've had people teach me the right skills and explain to me the right mechanics for certain dungeons. Always been super thankful to those people because they chose, instead of raging at my low CP compared to their over 561s, to try and help me become a better player. They took time out for me and never chose to

They were help and super useful. Friended me. Some would take me along to other places to be like "Well, you might not know this, but we think it'd be great if you learnt this." Some dungeons I really don't care about doing again, some I do. I know I've never touched ICP again after learning it once. I'd certainly need to relearn the mechanics of that dungeon for sure.

So I do a lot of pugging. Group Finder, I love you at times. I did a lot of WGT on both normal and vet. I still think I have a lot to learn before going through vet again. However some of the most fun times I've had with Group Finder are playing with sub-30s who have no idea about dungeons such as WGT or RoM. There's nothing more satisfying than watching first time players beat Xal'Nur or Planar Inhibitor and them going "OMG, THAT WAS FUN!" It's really satisfying watching first time players fight against Na'Kesh and getting to the final phase of the fight. They love that. Of course, I sit and explain most of the mechanics of the fight to them and they end up enjoying it. My favourite was definitely teaching three new players, around level 15 each, how to beat WGT. It ended a little badly on Planar but it was fine and we ended up beating Molag Kena.

And you know what? Each time I do that, I remember when I was learning these dungeons for the first time and how much help I received. Seems selfish that I received so much help and I don't give anything back for that sort of help.

This is exactly the reason why I try to stick with a group, regardless of the level of experience the members might have; I've always PUG'ed and I had to learn dungeon mechanics either by looking them up online or asking random players, and there are bosses I still only have a vague idea of how they work. It's definitely not as easy or efficient as having someone patient that is willing to teach you the specifics throughout a given run, therefore if I can save others the trouble and help them learn a fight, then I always do. Yesterday, I went into vCoS with two players that had never done the dungeon before, and a returning player that didn't really remember it. We were in there for almost four hours but we cleared it. We were so happy afterwards. I do realize that most people don't have the time for such long runs that involve teaching mechanics etc, and this is definitely okay and understood, but in my case, I had the time to spare in order to keep trying with that group. I'm sure that the next time one of them goes in there, they'll be a lot more confident, and perhaps help out a new member of their group in turn

OrphanHelgen · December 2016

Did pledge with a cp 170 once. Got him on friendlist. Turns out he use to be a league of legends pro gamer. Now he is an officer and raid leader in our guild, and do a whopping 60k in trial bosses and are soon cp capped, and raid almost every day.

TheRealPotoroo · December 2016

daijyashinb16_ESO wrote: »

As for 'Number of CP dictates experience in the game', that's technically true. But some people are really slow learners and others are really fast learners. Plus I'm sure there are people at 300 CP + who never have run a dungeon before and got there through grinding or PVPing. I'm not saying a 1 CP person can be automatically better than a 300 CP person because, unless you moved to a new account/server/whatever, that's most likely impossible.

That's pretty much me. My main is a CP306 stamDK which has done no more public dungeons than you can count on one hand. When I hit CP160 I respecced and built him as a tank as best I could as informed by the forums. However, there are that many horror stories both here and in zone chat about people getting kicked from PUGs for no good reason I've never been game to try group finder for myself. I have better things to do than accruing 15 minute penalty times because of other people's toxicity. The whole thing is extremely frustrating, and why ZOS refuse to address this problem is beyond me.

paulsimonps · December 2016

How is this thread not closed yet? I have never seen a more toxic person than the OP. Its disgusting.

Nyx2 · December 2016

VinyParsley2016 wrote: »

However, we didn't kick him cuz I don't want to waste my time to queue another lowbie, and I've already proved my lowbie theory - Kick lowbies always!

You didn't kick him so you don't waste time but your advise is to kick "lowbies"? Clever.

How about you explain the mechanic instead of having the unreasonable expectation that everyone has to know every boss mechanic? I wonder if you can do anything on your own without a guide telling you what to do beforehand. Git gud.

VinyParsley2016 · December 2016

ran 2 normal randoms tonight. Got 2 trash low level lowbies, and 1 high CP trash.

1st one, ICP, lvl12, lvl45, CP450. The 2 lowbies knows nothing about ICP. I couldn't kick them because they know each other. I have to leave, so annoying.

2nd one, darkshade cavern 2, got a CP400 trash called "END PONY". This guy is a stamina NB, but he queued as a healer. After several time wipe at engine guardian, I tried to kick him. Failed cuz he has a trash mate in the group. I suggested him leave, he didn't, but insulted me. What a trash!

It's my bad today, but it's ok, shxt happens sometimes.

newtinmpls · December 2016

if you aspire to be a jerk, why by all means kick people for arbitrary reasons.

Don't help, don't instruct, don't ask, don't listen.

....really?...

Someone seems to have lost track of this being a game..

SublimeSparo · December 2016

OP is *** at it

Enslaved · December 2016

rotaugen454 wrote: »

I only boot people who don't say "Hail Sithis!" after joining the group.

Molag Mudball would suffice.

mewcatus · December 2016

Rule of thumb. Don't use the group finder if you are not comfortable running solo on a dungeon or carrying others. Only incompetent players blame others for their mistakes. If you are sufficiently adequate, any dungeon on normal can be soloable to some extent.

The rest can be done by be caring to explain basic mechanics with short succint group messages which don't require more then 30 seconds to type. If even the latter cannot be achieved, someone is in need of a specialist.

Messy1 · December 2016

skiptomyluau wrote: »

I'm CP 153 and in normal dungeon finder I get kicked about 75% of the time

You can join me and my friends anytime!! Send me a message @Messy1, PC/NA

GreenhaloX · December 2016

Simple answer for those who do not like to be in a group with newer and lower level players in dungeons and trials. Start your own guild and make it a requirement that only those who are maxed out in CP can join your guild. This way, you will never have to queue and get into a group with other low level players that you don't like to be group with. This would also be good because those that do not want to be in a group with the likes of your type of players would not have to. Additionally, make it a requirement that those do not have certain class/build/armor/weapon/dps that meets your guild's requirement/specification cannot join. This would be good for both sides. Elitists could actually have their own guild and group.

User_Name · December 2016

Iselin wrote: »

But just for being low level? I never see it. It's just made-up forum drama.

Try rolling a low level toon and use the group finder. On PS4 I queued 15 times for non-vet as a low CP, 10 of those times I've been kicked before the first mob (but annoyingly always after I've ported to the dungeon and they see my CP on my nameplate). Luckily I found out I can solo these dungeons with ease and get keys that way, but you really have to wonder what the hell is going on in some people's mind when they feel like they cannot complete it with a full group if one member is low on CP.

Don't disregard other people's experiences or basically call them liars just because you have been privileged enough to not be subjected to it.

VinyParsley2016 wrote: »

ran 2 normal randoms tonight.

It seems like the common denominator in all of your stories is you. Since you were kicking everyone and still failing, could there be another explanation than the "low CP trash" perhaps?

Vicentius · December 2016

I have yet to encounter your kind of "skeevers" OP. Only level 20 done 6 dungeons.. only one jerk tank so far but he wasn't a crappy tank just a jerk. Relax mate... meet some new peeps and have some fun.

Julianos · December 2016

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3637391#Comment_3637391

Read my post. Its been shut down because of zos trolls twice and it wasnt againts any forum rules...

Btw very rarerly i see low cp or levels good players but very rare.

We need noob filter for veteran dungeon finder you will read the details on my post.

Julianos · December 2016

Zos should rename the dungeon finder to noob finder.

ValkynSketha · December 2016

VinyParsley2016 wrote: »

ran 2 normal randoms tonight. Got 2 trash low level lowbies, and 1 high CP trash.

1st one, ICP, lvl12, lvl45, CP450. The 2 lowbies knows nothing about ICP. I couldn't kick them because they know each other. I have to leave, so annoying.

2nd one, darkshade cavern 2, got a CP400 trash called "END PONY". This guy is a stamina NB, but he queued as a healer. After several time wipe at engine guardian, I tried to kick him. Failed cuz he has a trash mate in the group. I suggested him leave, he didn't, but insulted me. What a trash!

It's my bad today, but it's ok, shxt happens sometimes.

You are really rude, make group from zone chat with your own requirements or join a guild, group finder is for those who want to know mechanics or their role.
I hope moderator close this thread.

Julianos · December 2016

ValkynSketha wrote: »

VinyParsley2016 wrote: »

ran 2 normal randoms tonight. Got 2 trash low level lowbies, and 1 high CP trash.

1st one, ICP, lvl12, lvl45, CP450. The 2 lowbies knows nothing about ICP. I couldn't kick them because they know each other. I have to leave, so annoying.

2nd one, darkshade cavern 2, got a CP400 trash called "END PONY". This guy is a stamina NB, but he queued as a healer. After several time wipe at engine guardian, I tried to kick him. Failed cuz he has a trash mate in the group. I suggested him leave, he didn't, but insulted me. What a trash!

It's my bad today, but it's ok, shxt happens sometimes.

You are really rude, make group from zone chat with your own requirements or join a guild, group finder is for those who want to know mechanics or their role.
I hope moderator close this thread.

Zos trolls incoming

LadyNalcarya · December 2016

ValkynSketha wrote: »

VinyParsley2016 wrote: »

ran 2 normal randoms tonight. Got 2 trash low level lowbies, and 1 high CP trash.

1st one, ICP, lvl12, lvl45, CP450. The 2 lowbies knows nothing about ICP. I couldn't kick them because they know each other. I have to leave, so annoying.

2nd one, darkshade cavern 2, got a CP400 trash called "END PONY". This guy is a stamina NB, but he queued as a healer. After several time wipe at engine guardian, I tried to kick him. Failed cuz he has a trash mate in the group. I suggested him leave, he didn't, but insulted me. What a trash!

It's my bad today, but it's ok, shxt happens sometimes.

You are really rude, make group from zone chat with your own requirements or join a guild, group finder is for those who want to know mechanics or their role.
I hope moderator close this thread.

Well to be fair having a healer in group isnt a special requirement.

Fudly_budly · December 2016

KaiVox22 wrote: »

Some of my guild members get kicked, one got kicked today for being a nightblade healer so we took him through WGT to get his SPC jewelry

Join a guild and most will be happy to play with you

Why, oh why is this simple fix not used?
here OP let me help you:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/305357/red-crusade-500-member-dungeon-trial-running-guild-recruiting#latest

AuldWolf · December 2016

Yep. Competitive, 'end-game' PvE and any form of ranked PvP will be filled with sociopaths who'll need a strict hierarchy to give their life some meaning. And people to 'crush' to give that life some meaning. ESO is getting a really bad reputation on Tumblr and Reddit for this, and really? If the next patch is focused around these toxic sociopaths, the population of the game is likely to drop sharply in a week and not return.

I wonder how much ZOS is going to gamble on thinking that sociopaths can carry their game? Instead of all the casuals and their money. Sociopaths aren't ever whales, after all.

For me, it's just... It's very tiring and wearisome to watch.

If ZOS wants to fix this?

o Remove being able to see CP/level in the game with normal methods and addons.
o Remove being able to see people's gear/loot through any means at all.
o Balance trials to be casual, not competitive.

The more this happens, the less sociopaths ESO will have. Down with CP bigots!

Drinks-Loves · December 2016

This is absolutely ridiculous. You definitely should NOT kick people under 300cp in vet. Haha that's just ridiculous, my main account is well over 561cp and I have a 2nd account that's 250cp. I definitely know how to play this game all to well. And I'm telling you a 300cp or under person is more than capable how doing a vet dungeon. My 250cp toon is a Stan Sorc dps and I'm literally a Captain in my pvp rank and when I do vet dungeons I don't bother to dps nono, I get a sword and shield, taunt and I literally tank it no problems even though I'm literally not even a tank... so please don't underestimate 300cp or lower, we are more then capable.

dday3six · December 2016

AuldWolf wrote: »

Yep. Competitive, 'end-game' PvE and any form of ranked PvP will be filled with sociopaths who'll need a strict hierarchy to give their life some meaning. And people to 'crush' to give that life some meaning. ESO is getting a really bad reputation on Tumblr and Reddit for this, and really? If the next patch is focused around these toxic sociopaths, the population of the game is likely to drop sharply in a week and not return.

I wonder how much ZOS is going to gamble on thinking that sociopaths can carry their game? Instead of all the casuals and their money. Sociopaths aren't ever whales, after all.

For me, it's just... It's very tiring and wearisome to watch.

If ZOS wants to fix this?

o Remove being able to see CP/level in the game with normal methods and addons.
o Remove being able to see people's gear/loot through any means at all.
o Balance trials to be casual, not competitive.

The more this happens, the less sociopaths ESO will have. Down with CP bigots!

This person's the lol-cow that keeps on giving.

Koensol · December 2016

rteezy wrote: »

you can easely do ANY vet dungeon with even less cp then 160...i know i did it.

NOW, there are TERRIBLE players out there..REALLY bad ones that never cared to learn the game, and CP has nothign to do with it (i have seen cp 700 players being REALLY really bad..)

KICK the bad players, simple as that, disregard cp..if someone doesnt do enough dps..or F's up way too many times on boss strats, KICK! Im not PAYING to spend my time teaching people hwo to play or to carry deadweight.Its not about elitism its about the USE of my own money. I TOOK THE TIME to read and learn about my classes and builds and what not jsut so i wouldnt drag epople down (and personally i dont see how a game can be fun unless you play it right..)

Lol, did it ever occur to you that the bad player, even though he is really bad, ALSO payed for the game? How is your money worth more than his? I've said this time and time again. Don't like pugs? Either:
1. Leave the group yourself.
2. Find a guild to run with.
3. Make your own group, with your own rules.
4. Don't pug.

It's that simple. But people like you are too lazy to organize anything on your own.