There's nothing elitist about getting upset over people who don't listen.
Some people don't play very well, and many of us go out of our way to help them and push through to completion with the team we have. Give tips, maybe some food or potions. Let a few wipes slide, maybe even a lot of wipes to the point that everyone's gear is broken, and giving them repair kits to fix it back up.

People will call you an elitist until you snap your back bending over for anyone to carry them through the dungeon, all the while crafting them new gear, food and potions and repeatedly asking if it's okay to offer advice and then posting a paragraph on how to play the game.

Even that few minutes ago I've defended low levels that are willing to do normal dungeons from the beginning, speaking of veterans I can agree that they have to learn the tactics first in normal dungeons. Now it's ok not to know what to do first time, we all had no idea what to do first time, but here should be the will to listen and learn.

I will again have to mention the system from The Secret World game where you had to progress through the difficulty levels of the dungeons. Every map had it's dungeon, you can access it first time on normal mode and it was recommended to do it after you have finished that area and got some decent gear for it. Then it was the hard mode dungeons that were the pre end-game content. They were same dungeons as normal ones, only that the mobs got buffed and you were required at least tier 10 green gear (the highest level that can drop from the last quest map). After the hard mode dungeons will come the Nightmare Dungeons were the mobs were even stronger and the bosses got the mechanics changed. BUT, to access them you had to:

-finish ALL hard mode dungeons
-beat the Gatekeeper

And trust me, first fight with the Gatekeeper and you will learn that you know nothing about the game so you have to work harder to learn new skills and improve your playstyle. And that wasn't enough because beating him as DPS was a real challenge where you had to learn it's mechanics, think faster and dodge his AOEs that were covering near the entire map that was a small platform from winch you can easily fall and die. Oh, and if you failed to deal enough DPS he will simply instakill you. To beat it on DPS was a real challenge, on tank was easier and on healer very easy (some will chose to do it on healer even that their main role was DPS, but I was correct and made it has DPS).

Now that you have beaten the Gatekeeper you may this that the NH dungeons will be easy because you got some nice gear already and you can handle the stronger versions of HM bosses. WRONG! As i mentioned above, their mechanics had changed and now they are merciless and you will have to learn to play even more. But luckily there was the #noobmares chat room where you can find people to help you with them without yelling at you.

Now more MMO should adopt the Gatekeeper system like in TSW, this way those that are truly willing to join the hardest stuff will have to prove it by going to hell, punch the devil in his jewels and return to tell the story. Some will hate me for suggestion this, but keep in mind that the end game stuff is hard and you have to learn how to play first to survive it.

alexkdd99 wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Axorn wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Don't use dungeon finder. Advertise what you are looking for in the various chats. Then you can farm without issue.

By the way, you can still be an elitist even when you don't think you are one.

Im NOT, also why do we have a dungeon finder if we not going to use it ? Your solution is not logical.

But you want to restrict someone from using the same feature you use because they are inferior.

Not because they are inferior. They just lack the knowledge of that dungeon. And everyone would be restricted until they beat the dungeon. So everyone is on equal ground.

Beat the dungeon how? Solo? Cause they can get carried and beat in with a group and you are still in the same position as before.

Oh so you use group finder to get people to give you their drops too? You running that group loot addon so you can make sure when YOUR loot fldrops to that scrub who dont need it?

I would love to watch you solo all the veteran dungeons though, you should set up twitch with them mad skillz, yo.

I dont think anybody is as good as he is !
It would be hard to find someone to live up to his standards

It's attitudes like the OP's that mean I (and others who have not really done dungeons before but would like to) will continue to play solo - it's far too much hassle to put up with this sort of anti-newbie rage. Reading the forums makes it seem like it's everywhere.

Only forum n00bs use @ZOS.

Axorn wrote: »

Meri20098 wrote: »

@Axorn your whole post is very elitist sounding

if im elitist than those peopel are freeloading parasite who doesnt respects others and steal their time and effort its called veteran for a reason if you wanna do veteran then you have to prove that you fought before ffs did you guys even know what does veteran means ?

This defines elitism..... seriously

Axorn wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

You are not very good if you cant duo fg2 i would kick you from my group and would need you to find n00bs on the same n00 ish level you are.

Dont muck up my dungeon finder if you can not at least duo fg2.

Im just laughing at you we can duo or i can solo any vet dungeon as long as mechanics let me solo but with four people we get more items because we can trade. You think you know something but you dont know anything dont be like that in real life. Its easy to be keyboard bully...

But doesnt that just mean the other 3 are irrelevant and all they are required to do is loot and hand it over? If you can solo all dungeons, then you should be able to do it with 3 underperforming team mates as you dont need them anyway...

Edit: I agree halfway though, you should have at least completed the normal mode of a dungeon to unlock the veteran mode.

There are players who are high CP and do not know the basics (roll dodge, block, evade AoE, rotation, etc) but there are also low level players, new to the game, that already show a good deal of "ESO maturity" and potential.

Ones should not negatively influence the others, nor should the people who have a clue and use group finder become part of the problem by increasing the rift. It is true that the game needs a proper increasingly challenging tutorial to teach players those mentioned basics, though.

When using group finder, be prepared for anything. If you find a good player or one with potential, add him to friends and add a note reminding you of how you saw him play, so that in the future you can run with him again or he can call you when in need of a group.

In any case, it is up to the more experienced players to encourage new players and advise bad players, regardless of the skill level. Some will not listen or care, true, but if your approach is right, you will see results more often than not.

And some ( people ) wonder why so many that play ESO, play solo ( like me ).

• As far as I know, the main dungeon veterans farm Viper set in is veteran Fungal Grotto 1, not veteran Fungal Grotto 2.....
• People who farm Fungal Grotto 2 do it for Knife of Shadows, which is only farmed on second boss - farm groups do not use grouping tool for that, they arrange the group outside of grouping tool, so they don't get the 15min timer.
• The grouping tool doesn't choose from levels, it chooses players that que for the same dungeon as you and fits the role - if you want to obtain gear from your fellow group members, you might get a cp15 guy into group and the gear will be worthless to you anyways.
• People who do the dungeon for questing may want to take their time and explore, it is less optimal for farming a dungeon.
• Successful trading guilds are the best guilds to seek farm groups in, because they have 100+ people online at any given time of the day.

fyi...