@ZOS We need noob lock.

Julianos · December 2016

First of all im not an elitist person even i joined a pug today for cradle of shadow veteran and one of them was cp 161 and others were 200s we finished the pledge easly because everyone listened and they knew the basics and rotations etc.

Couple hours later me and girl friend started to farm fungal grotto for viper set for her i joined with my tank and she joined with her healer for fast queue %90 of the time we couldnt kill the second boss in FG2 because people from dungeon finder were sooo sooo noob even teaching them didnt work they werent even low cp! They were tottally clueless and obviosly they were using quest items because they couldnt kill those chainer npcs and they kept failing breaking the link. We kicked those who make same mistakes over and over again but no luck dungeon finder crawling with clueless people.

We need a system that prevent people joining to veteran dungeon finder without its acheivement! So those clueless people will be forced to form up a group and try to finish that way they will research and learn the tactics.

If someone wants to join veteran fungal grotto via dungeon finder they have to finish it manually first and get the achievement on every boss. If you dont have the veteran achievement fungal grotto veteran will be locked to them on dungeon finder.

Please zos add this feature on next big update its not hard nor unfair that way dungeon finder quality will be improved greatly.

brandonv516 · December 2016

Don't use dungeon finder. Advertise what you are looking for in the various chats. Then you can farm without issue.

By the way, you can still be an elitist even when you don't think you are one.

Julianos · December 2016

brandonv516 wrote: »

Don't use dungeon finder. Advertise what you are looking for in the various chats. Then you can farm without issue.

By the way, you can still be an elitist even when you don't think you are one.

Im NOT, also why do we have a dungeon finder if we not going to use it ? Your solution is not logical.

Stovahkiin · December 2016

brandonv516 wrote: »

Don't use dungeon finder. Advertise what you are looking for in the various chats. Then you can farm without issue.

By the way, you can still be an elitist even when you don't think you are one.

Yep, pretty simple

WhiteCoatSyndrome · December 2016

Axorn wrote: »

If someone wants to join veteran fungal grotto via dungeon finder they have to finish it manually first and get the achievement on every boss. If you dont have the veteran achievement fungal grotta veteran will be locked to them on dungeon finder.

So in order to be able to join a group for a particular dungeon they need to join a group for that particular dungeon.

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And this is completely ignoring the possibility of veterans who just haven't completed it ON THAT CHARACTER but know the mechanics inside and out.

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...have you considered just joining a guild that runs dungeons and skipping the group finder all together?

KimberlyannKitsuragi · December 2016

@Axorn your whole post is very elitist sounding

TequilaFire · December 2016

/sigh
What happened to worrying about the game would die without new players?

brandonv516 · December 2016

Axorn wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Don't use dungeon finder. Advertise what you are looking for in the various chats. Then you can farm without issue.

By the way, you can still be an elitist even when you don't think you are one.

Im NOT, also why do we have a dungeon finder if we not going to use it ? Your solution is not logical.

But you want to restrict someone from using the same feature you use because they are inferior.

Julianos · December 2016

Meri20098 wrote: »

@Axorn your whole post is very elitist sounding

if im elitist than those peopel are freeloading parasite who doesnt respects others and steal their time and effort its called veteran for a reason if you wanna do veteran then you have to prove that you fought before ffs did you guys even know what does veteran means ?

Madness1 · December 2016

Yeah I gota admit that you should have to complete a certain dungeon before you do the vet one. Just because you're vet that doesn't mean you know the dungeon, and I think the issue lies in what the dungeon finder actually says and not the players.

When something is labeled as "Veteran" and you've hit Vet, you feel like that's the one you should be grouping for. I propose they change it to Advanced, or something similar so the dungeon un-savvy go towards the normal ones instead. Or at the very least offer text and/or a warning message to explain what that player is about to take part in.

Drummerx04 · December 2016

Meri20098 wrote: »

@Axorn your whole post is very elitist sounding

I find it interesting that you could basically replace "elitist" with "misogynistic" or "racist" in normal forums and you'll get the same patterns.

Person A says something that others will find elitist. They find it elitist. They call him out on elitism. Arguments begin over how every good player is elitist. Elitists come out of the woodworks with stories of helping their single noob friend so they aren't elitist... etc.

So just remember that taking the time to get good at a game and expecting others to do the same is comparable to systematically subjugating entire races and genders.

Julianos · December 2016

brandonv516 wrote: »

Axorn wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Don't use dungeon finder. Advertise what you are looking for in the various chats. Then you can farm without issue.

By the way, you can still be an elitist even when you don't think you are one.

Im NOT, also why do we have a dungeon finder if we not going to use it ? Your solution is not logical.

But you want to restrict someone from using the same feature you use because they are inferior.

vet-er-an

: someone who fought in a war as a soldier, sailor, etc.

: someone who has a lot of experience in a particular activity, job, etc.

new-bie

: a person who has recently started a particular activity.

In this case this activity is the veteran dungeon. Its nothing to do with elitism. Dont use words if you dont know what they mean please.

DoccEff · December 2016

Drummerx04 wrote: »

Meri20098 wrote: »

@Axorn your whole post is very elitist sounding

I find it interesting that you could basically replace "elitist" with "misogynistic" or "racist" in normal forums and you'll get the same patterns.

Person A says something that others will find elitist. They find it elitist. They call him out on elitism. Arguments begin over how every good player is elitist. Elitists come out of the woodworks with stories of helping their single noob friend so they aren't elitist... etc.

So just remember that taking the time to get good at a game and expecting others to do the same is comparable to systematically subjugating entire races and genders.

Careful OP, you are now racist because you don't want to play with noobs!

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The only advice I can give you, is that you both get a dps-setup so you aren't dependent from random dds. If you don't need the jewlery, do the dungeon in normal. And if you want to do more farm runs, just ask in zone chat for others who might wanna join you.

User_Name · December 2016

Lol

JkahrrRadnar · December 2016

Well, if the presence of freeloading parasites who don't respects others and steal their time and effort bother you so much, make your own group -it's that simple. No patch neccessary, everybody profits.

Julianos · December 2016

sarahb16_ESO wrote: »

Well, if the presence of freeloading parasites who don't respects others and steal their time and effort bother you so much, make your own group -it's that simple. No patch neccessary, everybody profits.

Dungeon finder is a good feature and makes people life easier why not improve that ? That way noobs will be improved and they wont fail with my way everyone will be happy. With current system noobs will be never improved because they wont be able to finish anything untill they force themselves and learn the tactics/rotations and get better gear. So why not force them right away and stop wasting everyone's time ? With your way and current system noone actually profits lol.

SquareSausage · December 2016

Just farm fungal grotto 1, so so so so much easier.

Julianos · December 2016

SquareSausage wrote: »

Just farm fungal grotto 1, so so so so much easier.

I know but second boss in FG2 drops sharpened viper dagger.

Sheezabeast · December 2016

Isn't it on you for not having enough friends to form a group for pledges? The 'premium' loot is so nerfed in price you'd be lucky to get 20k for a stamina agility ring if you even got one. There's no reason for you to run random dungeons if you are so experienced that you can't risk being in a group that RNG has selected (I'd like to think with karma, from the sound of your attitude towards people learning) so maybe cut the new people trying new things some slack. A little explaining of the mechanics can go a LONG way. If there is a language barrier, that's a different issue.

raglau · December 2016

Axorn wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Don't use dungeon finder. Advertise what you are looking for in the various chats. Then you can farm without issue.

By the way, you can still be an elitist even when you don't think you are one.

Im NOT, also why do we have a dungeon finder if we not going to use it ? Your solution is not logical.

Surely the simpler solution is you do what we all do for Vet runs; ask in zone chat or ask our guildies and/or friends to come with us? Far easier to do that than to ask ZOS to recode the Dungeon Finder to meet your very personal and specific requirements, which are along the lines of no one can use it unless you say so, and people can't use it to form a group to do a dungeon unless they've already used it to form a group to do that very dungeon.

Something tells me you are not going to get that one off the ground.

newtinmpls · December 2016

I'm so glad that there are friendly and supportive people still in game.

If I'm in a group (of whoever) and its not working, I try to troubleshoot with everyone in chat. That way it's a learning experience for everyone.

bebynnag · December 2016

Axorn wrote: »

SquareSausage wrote: »

Just farm fungal grotto 1, so so so so much easier.

I know but second boss in FG2 drops sharpened viper dagger.

they also drop on normal, and takes half the time
you & your GF should be able to run it without any help,
i mean im a scrub that refuses to follow the meta & i managed to solo FG2 normal today, despite being pinned!

Julianos · December 2016

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Isn't it on you for not having enough friends to form a group for pledges? The 'premium' loot is so nerfed in price you'd be lucky to get 20k for a stamina agility ring if you even got one. There's no reason for you to run random dungeons if you are so experienced that you can't risk being in a group that RNG has selected (I'd like to think with karma, from the sound of your attitude towards people learning) so maybe cut the new people trying new things some slack. A little explaining of the mechanics can go a LONG way. If there is a language barrier, that's a different issue.

Did you even read my first post ??? You can't buy viper items they are bound !!! Also im always helping others and my friends or guildies doesnt wanna farm FG because they are busy with their own thing !!! Karma should send me pro players because im always help and teach noobs and my attitude is very gentle towards them.

so maybe cut the new people trying new things some slack

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"New" and "Veteran" words are quite opposite.

Lol after reading such posts i think issue is not the skill, gaming or learining its a brain issue.

JkahrrRadnar · December 2016

Axorn wrote: »

sarahb16_ESO wrote: »

Well, if the presence of freeloading parasites who don't respects others and steal their time and effort bother you so much, make your own group -it's that simple. No patch neccessary, everybody profits.

Dungeon finder is a good feature and makes people life easier why not improve that ? That way noobs will be improved and they wont fail with my way everyone will be happy. With current system noobs will be never improved because they wont be able to finish anything untill they force themselves and learn the tactics/rotations and get better gear. So why not force them right away and stop wasting everyone's time ? With your way and current system noone actually profits lol.

Putting lowlvl/casual players on the spot by telling them that they either find other 'noobs' to play with or don't get to play at all is the perfect way to further discourage them from participating in group content. In a group where noone knows the mechanics and everybody dies, noone has a good time and nothing is learned. Good job.

There are plently of players who don't queue for dungeons because they expect to meet people with exactly the behaviour you are displaying right now, so ofc it would do everybody a favor if the group finder made overall more homogeneous teams (in terms of lvl or amounts of dungeons completed). But as long as this is not the case, you simply not using the group finder would save both sides a lot of trouble.

Sheezabeast · December 2016

Axorn wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Isn't it on you for not having enough friends to form a group for pledges? The 'premium' loot is so nerfed in price you'd be lucky to get 20k for a stamina agility ring if you even got one. There's no reason for you to run random dungeons if you are so experienced that you can't risk being in a group that RNG has selected (I'd like to think with karma, from the sound of your attitude towards people learning) so maybe cut the new people trying new things some slack. A little explaining of the mechanics can go a LONG way. If there is a language barrier, that's a different issue.

Did you even read my first post ??? You can't buy viper items they are bound !!! Also im always helping others and my friends or guildies doesnt wanna farm FG because they are busy with their own thing !!! Karma should send me pro players because im always help and teach noobs and my attitude is very gentle towards them.

so maybe cut the new people trying new things some slack

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"New" and "Veteran" words are quite opposite.

Lol after reading such posts i think issue is not the skill, gaming or learining its a brain issue.

No one said anything about you buying Viper pieces so I don't know what you're going on about with that. But what works and has worked for dungeon grinds for helms and pieces for ages is advertising in whichever populated city you pick, be it Mournhold, Wayrest, or Rawl-Ka, that you're (insert group role) seeking 3M (group roles needed) for (insert desired item) run, pst. And you form your party. If you can't find people, try Craglorn. City hop advertising your role and what roles needed for your item grind and in no time you will find people who also want in on it. Viper is still popular, even with the crit nerf coming, so you shouldn't have a hard time finding people. That way you control the level and who you reject or accept. Problem solved.

yodased · December 2016

You are not very good if you cant duo fg2 i would kick you from my group and would need you to find n00bs on the same n00 ish level you are.

Dont muck up my dungeon finder if you can not at least duo fg2.

VoidBlue · December 2016

If you were just farming vipers, why didn't you just farming it on fungal grotto 1 vet mode. It's way easier and still drops all the same drops except monster helm.

brandonv516 · December 2016

I'll address your idea this time. It's terrible. You want new players to "learn mechanics" before they can access the veteran dungeon finder.

Fine. But they only have to manually complete the dungeon once on veteran? So you've determined that new players only need to do this once to learn all the mechanics.

They now have no excuse for terrible play because they are "veterans" now after completing a veteran dungeon once.

So what do you do then?

GawdSB · December 2016

For FG2 there are always a lump of people that can't get pass the second boss. You (if you were able to stay alive yourself) and the tank or apparently your gf should've been enough to res the one or two others that were dying. It usually takes a while if you're in that situation but eventually it gets done.

This applies to many other dungeons as well. For WGT I had one group where we just burned down every boss because everyone could self sustain whilst outputting good dps and there was one where different members actually have to learn the mechanics such as the cages on the first boss there, etc and we wipe a few times. You aren't going to get a perfect group every time especially on dungeons you know are harder.

tl;dr Let the new players learn the mechanics and actually get a chance to get better. They won't learn unless they're able to join these dungeons and fail. Your mentality is why some people are afraid to even join dungeons or do trials.

redspecter23 · December 2016

If you want jewelry, farm Fungal Grotto 1 on vet. It can be soloed or duoed easily enough if you're as good as you say you are. If you want daggers, farm FG2 on normal. It can be soloed with difficulty or duoed easily enough (up to the second boss which drops the named dagger) if you're as good as you say you are. Any other gear can be farmed on FG1 normal which is a cake walk. Why are you even discussing bringing 2 more people along that are horrible if you should be able to 2 man all the things you need to for viper gear?

kyle.wilson · December 2016

Axorn wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Axorn wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Don't use dungeon finder. Advertise what you are looking for in the various chats. Then you can farm without issue.

By the way, you can still be an elitist even when you don't think you are one.

Im NOT, also why do we have a dungeon finder if we not going to use it ? Your solution is not logical.

But you want to restrict someone from using the same feature you use because they are inferior.

vet-er-an

: someone who fought in a war as a soldier, sailor, etc.

: someone who has a lot of experience in a particular activity, job, etc.

new-bie

: a person who has recently started a particular activity.

In this case this activity is the veteran dungeon. Its nothing to do with elitism. Dont use words if you dont know what they mean please.

"Elitist" maybe not. Condescending ***, definitely.