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Again can we actually balance dark deal already.

  • Paraflex
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    At least make it so when Dark Deal is interrupted the cost of attempting to cast Dark Deal is used. Its stupid how i can interrupt a stam sorc consistently and they just wait till they have immunity to spam cast it.


    This is why Black Rose and Constitution in general are an issue. This is why Red Guards are an issue. You don't need to build for sustain to have immense sustain. You just stack damage upon damage with maximum stamina and be rewarded sustain. At least on my Imperial in Medium i have to sacrifice for regen using regen drinks.

    This game is far from balanced. If you play a stamina redguard your just playing easy mode at this point. Bonus points if you use Black Rose on a DK or Sorc.

    I really hope the meta completely changes next patch. Im tired of this whole more damage=better heals game we are playing. How about give better heals to those with more sustain. Give those max stat users some drawbacks.


    I have to agree it's not balanced to allow Stam dps to stack wep dmg and get better heals. Red Guard Passive is a little to strong in PvP as any solid player on a Stam dps will be using a Red Guard.
    Hollykills CP 630 Templar Healer - Ad PS4 Warlord Rank

    Max Stam/Mag Dk
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    Don't care to dps much so I heal.


  • starkerealm
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    I refuse to let people like you even have opinions in threads i make.

    That's really not your choice. You made a post on an open forum. People have looked at your ideas, weighed them, and found them wanting.

    Except, as many of us have noted, you don't really offer opinions. You have a litany of grievances that grows ever longer by the post. And every time someone points out, "hey, there's a solution to your problems," you get really aggressive. Then, when they respond in kind, you add that to your litany.
    Edited by starkerealm on December 23, 2016 8:05AM
  • LegendaryMage
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    I think this dude got his ass kicked real bad by a stam sorc that was using dark deal. Now we have 13 pages of priceless garbage to go through. I like that stam sorc, whoever he is. I hope you run into him again soon.
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    Let's be honest Stam sorc is FOTM a few patches ago people ran Mag NBs and Mag Sorcs. All the players who currently play Stam sorcs would hate for a nerf.

    This skill is strong and does allow for to much sustain drop the heal and just give Stam back. If interrupted you get no resources (this has to be a bug). If I cast dark flare and get interrupted but the skill still landed on a player we would see it on death recaps and complain about it.

    It's been around for months but seems like recently people complain about it.

    I know a few other skills/sets that are broken the main population doesn't know about at some point people always find out.

    Here's a tip go buy dessert rose armor and use mist form you still get Mag back when hit in mist form. Which you should but a 5 piece set trumps mist for mag recovery. I hope this gets fixed in our balance update
    Hollykills CP 630 Templar Healer - Ad PS4 Warlord Rank

    Max Stam/Mag Dk
    Max Stam Sorc
    Max Stam/Mag NB

    Don't care to dps much so I heal.


  • leepalmer95
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    I refuse to let people like you even have opinions in threads i make.

    That's really not your choice. You made a post on an open forum. People have looked at your ideas, weighed them, and found them wanting.

    Except, as many of us have noted, you don't really offer opinions. You have a litany of grievances that grows ever longer by thee post. And every time someone points out, "hey, there's a solution to your problems," you get really aggressive. Then, when they respond in kind, you add that to your litany.

    Where is the solution to my problems? The only soultions people have said have been similar to mine..

    I like the way you've changed this thread into a pvp dark deal discussion to dark deal on pve tanks.

    Btw IM STILL WAITING.

    I also like when you get called out to prove something instead of just spamming useless messages like the previous one you posted.

    When i asked you why you think dark deal is op, no responce.

    When i asked you to give me nice valid contructive reasons why my suggestions aren't good you haven't.

    As soon as i started asking you your posts consisted of 'Lee you don't understand pve' or Lee we need dark deal for a 1 button heal when were tanking? I've answered why the fact dark deal isn't the tanking heal you make it out to be. Why would you drop 70% dmg reduction and use a 1 second cast time skill when you get dropped to low health and need to heal quickly? Why wouldn't you hold block use an actual instead heal like vigor and wait for the healer to heal you?

    Tell me one suggestion at a time why my suggestions would be bad for pve, why they would mess up pvp (not that you seem to play pvp).

    All you seem to do is try and change the thread topic when you run out of things to say, keep dismissing things when people ask you to proof why you think something isn't good and then throw in snippy comments.

    PS4 EU DC

    Current CP : 756+

    I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.


    RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...
  • leepalmer95
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    I think this dude got his ass kicked real bad by a stam sorc that was using dark deal. Now we have 13 pages of priceless garbage to go through. I like that stam sorc, whoever he is. I hope you run into him again soon.

    I love the way you seem to have this raging hard on for me. Why did you start randomly disliking me btw? It was so sudden how you just randomly joining in a start i was commenting on the go full hostile on me.

    It was funny when your response was i've 1vX you loads of time even though i'm not on the same platform as you. Man you make me giggle.
    PS4 EU DC

    Current CP : 756+

    I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.


    RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...
  • starkerealm
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    Where is the solution to my problems?

    USE. AN. INTERRUPT!
  • starkerealm
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    ...13 pages of priceless garbage...

    This may be my favorite phrase on the forums this week.
  • Betheny
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    Where is the solution to my problems?

    USE. AN. INTERRUPT!

    Imagine if OP actually knew how to play the game, he might start enjoying playing again and then never write another complaints thread that could be solved with three words.
  • leepalmer95
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    Where is the solution to my problems?

    USE. AN. INTERRUPT!

    But again it's clear you don't pvp or you'd know how hard it is to actually interrupt them.

    Plus the fact they have no penalty when you do.

    Plus the fact you can shuffle dodge it

    It's to the point where it csan be considering worse off if a magicka user bashes a stam sorc...

    I feel like were going in a circle here, me asking to follow up on the OP and suggestions and you dodging with short snippy comments.

    You could just accept that your knowledge to this discussion ran out a long time ago.
    PS4 EU DC

    Current CP : 756+

    I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.


    RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...
  • starkerealm
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    Plus the fact you can shuffle dodge it

    And yet, in your wildest dreams, it never occurred to you that, maybe, just maybe, that might be the real problem here?

    That, oh, I don't know, shuffle might be horrifically broken?
  • ObsidianMichi
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    Your complaints aren't about Dark Deal. They're about SHUFFLE. SHUFFLE! SHUFFLE!

    Not Dark Deal.

    Your complaint is that you can't knock someone out of Dark Deal when they've upped their dodge chance. The fact that you can stack Shuffle over other powers to let yourself get away with spamming other abilities to restore your resources. The problem is that Shuffle and Dark Deal don't cancel each other out. The problem lies with Shuffle. Just like it did when NB used to stack it with Blur and Hist Bark. Some PvPers are now stacking it over self-heals so you can't hit them when they're vulnerable.

    Make a thread complaining about Shuffle. You'll probably find a lot more people agree with you.
    Edited by ObsidianMichi on December 23, 2016 8:26AM
  • leepalmer95
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    Plus the fact you can shuffle dodge it

    And yet, in your wildest dreams, it never occurred to you that, maybe, just maybe, that might be the real problem here?

    That, oh, I don't know, shuffle might be horrifically broken?

    Are you intentionally not reading the other points or are you stupid?

    There is no risk, you interrupt them and what? They get free cc immunity and go right back to casting because the magicka is only took if they complete the cast.

    Are you that stubborn? Can't you just admit that your knowledge about a subject ran out pages ago? Can't you just admit that and bow out or do you always need to keep commenting and commenting about things that have already been discussed in for some weird fixation to being able to answer everything and staying relevant?
    PS4 EU DC

    Current CP : 756+

    I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.


    RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...
  • Betheny
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    Are you intentionally not reading the other points or are you stupid?

    Irony.
  • leepalmer95
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    Betheny wrote: »
    Are you intentionally not reading the other points or are you stupid?

    Irony.

    Says the person who's opening statement was to ignore everything that has been said including answer's to their OP and say NO pve nerf's because of pvp.

    Irony?
    Edited by leepalmer95 on December 23, 2016 8:31AM
    PS4 EU DC

    Current CP : 756+

    I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.


    RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...
  • Betheny
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    Betheny wrote: »
    Are you intentionally not reading the other points or are you stupid?

    Irony.

    Says the person who's...

    Irony?

    Says the person who told you to post a PVP complaint in the appropriate forum.

    Irrelevant?
  • LegendaryMage
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    I think this dude got his ass kicked real bad by a stam sorc that was using dark deal. Now we have 13 pages of priceless garbage to go through. I like that stam sorc, whoever he is. I hope you run into him again soon.

    I love the way you seem to have this raging hard on for me. Why did you start randomly disliking me btw? It was so sudden how you just randomly joining in a start i was commenting on the go full hostile on me.

    It was funny when your response was i've 1vX you loads of time even though i'm not on the same platform as you. Man you make me giggle.

    English is not my first language. I had to google translate this thread;

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  • starkerealm
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    Are you intentionally not reading the other points or are you stupid?

    I've been ignoring most of the ambient stupidity.
  • ObsidianMichi
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    English is not my first language. I had to google translate this thread;

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    And yet, that is a very concise explanation of everything happening in this thread.
  • leepalmer95
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    I think this dude got his ass kicked real bad by a stam sorc that was using dark deal. Now we have 13 pages of priceless garbage to go through. I like that stam sorc, whoever he is. I hope you run into him again soon.

    I love the way you seem to have this raging hard on for me. Why did you start randomly disliking me btw? It was so sudden how you just randomly joining in a start i was commenting on the go full hostile on me.

    It was funny when your response was i've 1vX you loads of time even though i'm not on the same platform as you. Man you make me giggle.

    English is not my first language. I had to google translate this thread;

    1ggtcz.jpg

    How many years do you think it'll take your ass to heal from all the times dawn slapped it?

    I hope it's not too many this bad mood you've been in for the past few months isn't healthy for you.

    PS4 EU DC

    Current CP : 756+

    I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.


    RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...
  • starkerealm
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    How many years do you think it'll take your ass to heal from all the times dawn slapped it?

    I hope it's not too many this bad mood you've been in for the past few months isn't healthy for you.

    How the snot does that even make sense?
  • leepalmer95
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    Are you intentionally not reading the other points or are you stupid?

    I've been ignoring most of the ambient stupidity.

    You've been ignoring the stuff that catches you out because you simple have no answer to it. Just accept it.

    It's fine to not win in a discussion sometimes. It's not a bad thing to acknowledge someone else's point.

    But the fact you won't answer the questions is just amusing know.
    PS4 EU DC

    Current CP : 756+

    I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.


    RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...
  • ObsidianMichi
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    @leepalmer95's new tactic:

    "Maybe if I get inflammatory enough the Devs will come save me."
  • starkerealm
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    That's not how this works. That's not how anything works.
  • leepalmer95
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    @leepalmer95's new tactic:

    "Maybe if I get inflammatory enough the Devs will come save me."

    @ObsidianMichi

    Maybe if it get trolly enough he'll remember i'm here and not ignore me so i can get a response.

    I'll try it to seem important.
    That's not how this works. That's not how anything works.

    What isn't how it works? You mean when i make a thread for a nerf and make suggestions you then ignore those suggestions because despite how hard you think you can't think of a reason why these will effect pve so you can't just shout NO!.

    Simple responses to suggestion with actual facts or points is pretty much how discussions work. Despite what you think throwing sarcasm, trying to switch topic or just saying 'You don't know pve' isn't how it works either.
    PS4 EU DC

    Current CP : 756+

    I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.


    RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...
  • LegendaryMage
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    How many years do you think it'll take your ass to heal from all the times dawn slapped it?

    I hope it's not too many this bad mood you've been in for the past few months isn't healthy for you.

    How the snot does that even make sense?

    He might be having some mental issues to be honest. No one should take this guy seriously, in all seriousness. It's not even funny anymore.
  • Betheny
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    To anyone new joining us in this thread, this is the part we're at:

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  • leepalmer95
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    How many years do you think it'll take your ass to heal from all the times dawn slapped it?

    I hope it's not too many this bad mood you've been in for the past few months isn't healthy for you.

    How the snot does that even make sense?

    He might be having some mental issues to be honest. No one should take this guy seriously, in all seriousness. It's not even funny anymore.

    It still hurts i see. It's ok legendary rage it'll get better.

    But really why do you seem to have a hard-on for me? It's a bit weird to be honest.


    PS4 EU DC

    Current CP : 756+

    I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.


    RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...
  • ObsidianMichi
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    Maybe if it get trolly enough he'll remember i'm here and not ignore me so i can get a response.

    I'll try it to seem important.

    Oh, is this your version of trolling? No wonder, it seemed so... obvious.
  • starkerealm
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    That's not how this works. That's not how anything works.

    What isn't how it works?

    Screaming for attention and throwing things may have worked at home. I don't recommend it on the boards however, as the moderation staff are likely to be somewhat less accommodating of your eccentricities.
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