PvP Equivalent VMA Weapons

SneaK · December 2016

More of a fun/thinking thread, not real serious...

2H Sword/Maul/Axe

Adds base damage, also empowers your next attack after successfully landing a Dizzying Swing.

1H Sword/Mace

Adds base damage, activating a Puncture ability provides immovability for 1 second..

1H Axe/Dagger

Adds base damage, Increases the benefits of Twin Blade and Blunt by 1.5 X's..

Destruction Staff

Adds base damage, Elemental Storm and it's morphs when activated, obliterates all living things in Cyrodiil. (So no change)

Destruction Staff (no troll)

Adds base damage, activating a Force Shock ability empowers your next heavy attack.

Restoration Staff

Adds spell critical, Steadfast Ward and it's morphs now give 1 extra ward. 8-)

Bow

Adds base damage, duration of Hasty Retreat is doubled.

Shield

Adds resistance, Defensive Posture and it's morphs can now absorb/reflect 1 additional projectile.

Bacardi and Cola, do it.

KisoValley · December 2016

Decent.

pcar944 · December 2016

some of that Empower stuff is really ... not needed

Leandor · December 2016

Haha, thought you were serious with the dizzying swing thing until I read destro...

8/10 would read again

Chuga_Rei · December 2016

Im not going to weigh in on the proposed bonuses bc im not sure whats troll and what isnt, but it would be really nice if they made magicka swords for us magicka users.

KisoValley · December 2016

Chuga_Rei wrote: »

Im not going to weigh in on the proposed bonuses bc im not sure whats troll and what isnt, but it would be really nice if they made magicka swords for us magicka users.

Or make LA/HA scale off highest out of spell/weapon damage.

SneaK · December 2016

KisoValley wrote: »

Chuga_Rei wrote: »

Im not going to weigh in on the proposed bonuses bc im not sure whats troll and what isnt, but it would be really nice if they made magicka swords for us magicka users.

Or make LA/HA scale off highest out of spell/weapon damage.

Yea but I kinda feel like something like that would need to be all around and not just specific to a PvP weapon. Ya dig

Sallington · December 2016

There's should definitely be PVP Master Weapons. Call them Commander Weapons or something RPish.

Give them PvP-centric enchants so PvEers don't cry.

+Mount & Run speed for Bow
+Extra Impen for a Shield
+Apply Shield on Purge use for Resto Staff

Create a PvP equivalent of Minor Slayer and put that a 1h Axe. Maybe a 10% resource regen defuff on players hit with a 2H Axe. And so on.... other unique buffs for other weapons.

Put the cost at 1mil-1.5mil AP

SneaK · December 2016

Sallington wrote: »

There's should definitely be PVP Master Weapons. Call them Commander Weapons or something RPish.

Give them PvP-centric enchants so PvEers don't cry.

+Mount & Run speed for Bow
+Extra Impen for a Shield
+Apply Shield on Purge use for Resto Staff

Create a PvP equivalent of Minor Slayer and put that a 1h Axe. Maybe a 10% resource regen defuff on players hit with a 2H Axe. And so on.... other unique buffs for other weapons.

Put the cost at 1mil-1.5mil AP

Selling them for AP with the current system IMO would be a very bad thing. Something like these would need to be tied to winning campaigns and playing objectively. Last thing Cyro needs is more reason to farm AP.

^I'm not against selling them for AP, but I think before ZOS does that they'd need to make some changes to how AP is gained.

Sallington · December 2016

SneaK wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

There's should definitely be PVP Master Weapons. Call them Commander Weapons or something RPish.

Give them PvP-centric enchants so PvEers don't cry.

+Mount & Run speed for Bow
+Extra Impen for a Shield
+Apply Shield on Purge use for Resto Staff

Create a PvP equivalent of Minor Slayer and put that a 1h Axe. Maybe a 10% resource regen defuff on players hit with a 2H Axe. And so on.... other unique buffs for other weapons.

Put the cost at 1mil-1.5mil AP

Selling them for AP with the current system IMO would be a very bad thing. Something like these would need to be tied to winning campaigns and playing objectively. Last thing Cyro needs is more reason to farm AP.

^I'm not against selling them for AP, but I think before ZOS does that they'd need to make some changes to how AP is gained.

Meh.

No matter how they make them available, the same people that farm AP are going to get them the quickest anyway. At least this way it's a concrete goal for people to work towards, and not an RNG nightmare.

Bandit1215 · December 2016

SneaK wrote: »

More of a fun/thinking thread, not real serious...

2H Sword/Maul/Axe
Adds base damage, also empowers your next attack after successfully landing a Dizzying Swing.

1H Sword/Mace
Adds base damage, activating a Puncture ability provides immovability for 1 second..

1H Axe/Dagger
Adds base damage, Increases the benefits of Twin Blade and Blunt by 1.5 X's..

Destruction Staff
Adds base damage, Elemental Storm and it's morphs when activated, obliterates all living things in Cyrodiil. (So no change)

Destruction Staff (no troll)
Adds base damage, activating a Force Shock ability empowers your next heavy attack.

Restoration Staff
Adds spell critical, Steadfast Ward and it's morphs now give 1 extra ward. 8-)

Bow
Adds base damage, duration of Hasty Retreat is doubled.

Shield
Adds resistance, Defensive Posture and it's morphs can now absorb/reflect 1 additional projectile.

Bacardi and Cola, do it.

So the maul makes dizzying swing back into the old wrecking blow. There would be a lot of QQ about this one.

The destroy one. Shouldn't the heavy attack empower the force shock?

S&b would be way too OP. at that point, no need to use immovable pots, constant dps, cc immunity, pretty sure you can block cast it, tremorscale build gonna be even more effective.

The other ones are pretty balanced but the s&b one is the one that would be the most op Imo. I know it's not a serious thread so don't take this as me bursting your creative bubble. I'm just giving my opinion.

RadioheadSh0t · December 2016

Anything to avoid VMA.

SneaK · December 2016

Sallington wrote: »

SneaK wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

There's should definitely be PVP Master Weapons. Call them Commander Weapons or something RPish.

Give them PvP-centric enchants so PvEers don't cry.

+Mount & Run speed for Bow
+Extra Impen for a Shield
+Apply Shield on Purge use for Resto Staff

Create a PvP equivalent of Minor Slayer and put that a 1h Axe. Maybe a 10% resource regen defuff on players hit with a 2H Axe. And so on.... other unique buffs for other weapons.

Put the cost at 1mil-1.5mil AP

Selling them for AP with the current system IMO would be a very bad thing. Something like these would need to be tied to winning campaigns and playing objectively. Last thing Cyro needs is more reason to farm AP.

^I'm not against selling them for AP, but I think before ZOS does that they'd need to make some changes to how AP is gained.

Meh.

No matter how they make them available, the same people that farm AP are going to get them the quickest anyway. At least this way it's a concrete goal for people to work towards, and not an RNG nightmare.

Meh.

Different discussion, but there's been a lot of suggestions for braindead ZOS to make the AP system a healthier balance between farmers and people who are playing the objectives. Which is what I was referring to in my reply.

Brutusmax1mus · December 2016

2h-. Your light and heavy attacks heal you for x based on number of enemies hit due to forceful passive.

1h/s-. Your shield charge removes all snares and makes you immune your 3 seconds

Destro-. Your weakness to elements also adds a dot for the duration that has a chance to apply status effects to nearby enemies need on your element.

Resto- your healing ward now gains the effect of both morphs.

Bow-. Your scatter shot grants you invisibility for 2 seconds of the target is not stunned.

Dw-. Your blade cloak now

SneaK · December 2016

Bandit1215 wrote: »

SneaK wrote: »

More of a fun/thinking thread, not real serious...

2H Sword/Maul/Axe
Adds base damage, also empowers your next attack after successfully landing a Dizzying Swing.

1H Sword/Mace
Adds base damage, activating a Puncture ability provides immovability for 1 second..

1H Axe/Dagger
Adds base damage, Increases the benefits of Twin Blade and Blunt by 1.5 X's..

Destruction Staff
Adds base damage, Elemental Storm and it's morphs when activated, obliterates all living things in Cyrodiil. (So no change)

Destruction Staff (no troll)
Adds base damage, activating a Force Shock ability empowers your next heavy attack.

Restoration Staff
Adds spell critical, Steadfast Ward and it's morphs now give 1 extra ward. 8-)

Bow
Adds base damage, duration of Hasty Retreat is doubled.

Shield
Adds resistance, Defensive Posture and it's morphs can now absorb/reflect 1 additional projectile.

Bacardi and Cola, do it.

So the maul makes dizzying swing back into the old wrecking blow. There would be a lot of QQ about this one.

The destroy one. Shouldn't the heavy attack empower the force shock?

S&b would be way too OP. at that point, no need to use immovable pots, constant dps, cc immunity, pretty sure you can block cast it, tremorscale build gonna be even more effective.

The other ones are pretty balanced but the s&b one is the one that would be the most op Imo. I know it's not a serious thread so don't take this as me bursting your creative bubble. I'm just giving my opinion.

Haha. I had originally typed out 2 seconds, realized how ridiculous that would be. I think 1 second would end up being alright... mainly cause someone could roll dodge away then still land a stun. But another thing with the 1 handers is that it would make people run some other than 2/5/5 sets. So the whole Tremoscale/Viper/BR combo wouldn't work.

Sallington · December 2016

SneaK wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

SneaK wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

There's should definitely be PVP Master Weapons. Call them Commander Weapons or something RPish.

Give them PvP-centric enchants so PvEers don't cry.

+Mount & Run speed for Bow
+Extra Impen for a Shield
+Apply Shield on Purge use for Resto Staff

Create a PvP equivalent of Minor Slayer and put that a 1h Axe. Maybe a 10% resource regen defuff on players hit with a 2H Axe. And so on.... other unique buffs for other weapons.

Put the cost at 1mil-1.5mil AP

Selling them for AP with the current system IMO would be a very bad thing. Something like these would need to be tied to winning campaigns and playing objectively. Last thing Cyro needs is more reason to farm AP.

^I'm not against selling them for AP, but I think before ZOS does that they'd need to make some changes to how AP is gained.

Meh.

No matter how they make them available, the same people that farm AP are going to get them the quickest anyway. At least this way it's a concrete goal for people to work towards, and not an RNG nightmare.

Meh.

Different discussion, but there's been a lot of suggestions for braindead ZOS to make the AP system a healthier balance between farmers and people who are playing the objectives. Which is what I was referring to in my reply.

Agreed. I think I misread your reply. In a perfect world, only things that helped your faction win a campaign would reward AP. Not farming randos at a milegate or resource tower for hours at a time.

Manoekin · December 2016

2h and sword/mace 1h significantly stronger than the others. Why does force shock empower a heavy attack and dizzying swing becomes old wrecking blow?

Sallington · December 2016

Manoekin wrote: »

2h and sword/mace 1h significantly stronger than the others. Why does force shock empower a heavy attack and dizzying swing becomes old wrecking blow?

It's a jumping off point

Manoekin · December 2016

Sallington wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

2h and sword/mace 1h significantly stronger than the others. Why does force shock empower a heavy attack and dizzying swing becomes old wrecking blow?

It's a jumping off point

Fair enough. Why not change things up a bit for PvP. Class sets that change a class skill, change the heavy/medium/light sets so the 5pc alters an Alliance War skill.

Sallington · December 2016

Manoekin wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

2h and sword/mace 1h significantly stronger than the others. Why does force shock empower a heavy attack and dizzying swing becomes old wrecking blow?

It's a jumping off point

Fair enough. Why not change things up a bit for PvP. Class sets that change a class skill, change the heavy/medium/light sets so the 5pc alters an Alliance War skill.

Holy moley, I've been calling for Class sets for forever! There's already a million generic near-useless sets out there. I'm sure adding a few that buff certain class skill wouldn't be crazy time-consuming for them.

Give me a Templar set that turns Healing Ritual in Blinding Flashes for the 5-piece bonus please.

arkansas_ESO · December 2016

Manoekin wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

2h and sword/mace 1h significantly stronger than the others. Why does force shock empower a heavy attack and dizzying swing becomes old wrecking blow?

It's a jumping off point

Fair enough. Why not change things up a bit for PvP. Class sets that change a class skill, change the heavy/medium/light sets so the 5pc alters an Alliance War skill.

Can we get a 5pc that makes Proximity Det good again?

SneaK · December 2016

Manoekin wrote: »

2h and sword/mace 1h significantly stronger than the others. Why does force shock empower a heavy attack and dizzying swing becomes old wrecking blow?

I was just trying to think of stuff/effects that people actually do or use in PvP. Maelstrom 2H already has a unique ability for Crit Rush so I was thinking something for Dizzying, and Force Shock is the most common PvP destro ability so I threw that out there. Like I mentioned, this was all just random thoughts, which are wide open to criticism.

Stratforge · December 2016

Even though troll-y the base idea is really sick. Maybe the buff could be to the less used skills. Like a buff to cleave or something idk. PvP maelstrom equivalents should be a thing though. Let me use this AP on something besides selling it to motif-wanters.

Jaronking · December 2016

Stratforge wrote: »

Even though troll-y the base idea is really sick. Maybe the buff could be to the less used skills. Like a buff to cleave or something idk. PvP maelstrom equivalents should be a thing though. Let me use this AP on something besides selling it to motif-wanters.

Get me a sharpens morag tong 1h then.

pcar944 · December 2016

would love PVP kind of vMA weapons

Vaoh · January 2017

Chuga_Rei wrote: »

Im not going to weigh in on the proposed bonuses bc im not sure whats troll and what isnt, but it would be really nice if they made magicka swords for us magicka users.

^

Sugaroverdose · January 2017

Yay, we forget about WB overwhelmed Cyrodiil, let's return it under other name.

SneaK wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

2h and sword/mace 1h significantly stronger than the others. Why does force shock empower a heavy attack and dizzying swing becomes old wrecking blow?

I was just trying to think of stuff/effects that people actually do or use in PvP. Maelstrom 2H already has a unique ability for Crit Rush so I was thinking something for Dizzying, and Force Shock is the most common PvP destro ability so I threw that out there. Like I mentioned, this was all just random thoughts, which are wide open to criticism.

Be honest to yourself, you're just want to spam WB.

Lore_lai · January 2017

All I want is a weapon/ability that lets me put the vSO Troll poison on people.

Mako1132 · January 2017

Lore_lai wrote: »

All I want is a weapon/ability that lets me put the vSO Troll poison on people.

Zergling lives matter Mer.

Lore_lai · January 2017

Mako1132 wrote: »

Lore_lai wrote: »

All I want is a weapon/ability that lets me put the vSO Troll poison on people.

Zergling lives matter Mer.

Of course, of course!
As do Trolls'.
#SaveTheTroll
#SpreadTheJoy

Kaghei · January 2017

no thanks to that 1h puncture, un cc'able tremor scale builds, no ty