It's Time for Achievements to be Account-Wide

kargen27 · December 2016

Decado wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

Decado wrote: »

To all the people who keep saying your character didn't earn it your main did so why should they get the title I have a question for you,

Let's say for example I make a fresh character so brand new baby ,

First thing I do is equip my MoL skin for it looks bad ass (didn't earn) I then hit level 4 and I hear him up on BiS crafted levelling gear (which he didn't make) I then dye it to my favourites colours (which my char doesn't have, I then buy some bag space (with what gold?)

The I say I can't be arsed to quest with this character so I grind him to level 50, the second he goes ding your not vet rank I immediately equip
Absolute BiS gear for whatever that char is so let's say a magicka DD he immediately gets the gold infallible rings I have tons of in the bank and which every set I decide to use with it let's say burning spellweave, so within 2 seconds of hitting veteran rank I have him stood There in 4 infallible, 5 burning spellweave and since this guy sounds like a DK let's throw in my divines grothdarr aswe so he's stood there in all that (in gold ofcourse) oh wait need one more thing, goes back into bank and pulls out BiS maelstrom staff

So know have my char who has never set foot on a trial or maelstrom (or city of ash) in BiS gold gear non of which he has earnt

Oh wait I just read a online guide that says twice born star is actually a 1% DPS increase over burning spellweave just let me log my 9 trait crafter with all the motifs and craft some!! Oh wait

How is that any different than him wearing my destroyer title? Infact wearing the title is less if you think about it since the title won't give me a huge DPS boost but you better believe all that gold gear will,

So do we just pick and choose what each character has to earn and what we will let the account (or yourself) earn?

If you go through all that, and then just give the new character a title, well what was the point of rolling an alt at all if you aren't going to use that gear and CP to play the content over?

That's not what I'm getting at, I have all 12 char slots filled with active chars than I swap and use all types of gear on etc I wouldn't use my pvper to farm dungeons for PvP gear I would use my PvE one for that my point is there are people
Who are saying the reason they are against titles/achievements is because their character did not earn that achievement/ title so I wonder why they are ok using gear that they didn't earn but not a title/ achievement when they gear is the actual one which gives a bonus,

I haven't slaughtered a steer but I like cheeseburgers. Eating cheeseburgers doesn't make me a butcher.

driosketch · December 2016

Decado wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

Decado wrote: »

To all the people who keep saying your character didn't earn it your main did so why should they get the title I have a question for you,

Let's say for example I make a fresh character so brand new baby ,

First thing I do is equip my MoL skin for it looks bad ass (didn't earn) I then hit level 4 and I hear him up on BiS crafted levelling gear (which he didn't make) I then dye it to my favourites colours (which my char doesn't have, I then buy some bag space (with what gold?)

The I say I can't be arsed to quest with this character so I grind him to level 50, the second he goes ding your not vet rank I immediately equip
Absolute BiS gear for whatever that char is so let's say a magicka DD he immediately gets the gold infallible rings I have tons of in the bank and which every set I decide to use with it let's say burning spellweave, so within 2 seconds of hitting veteran rank I have him stood There in 4 infallible, 5 burning spellweave and since this guy sounds like a DK let's throw in my divines grothdarr aswe so he's stood there in all that (in gold ofcourse) oh wait need one more thing, goes back into bank and pulls out BiS maelstrom staff

So know have my char who has never set foot on a trial or maelstrom (or city of ash) in BiS gold gear non of which he has earnt

Oh wait I just read a online guide that says twice born star is actually a 1% DPS increase over burning spellweave just let me log my 9 trait crafter with all the motifs and craft some!! Oh wait

How is that any different than him wearing my destroyer title? Infact wearing the title is less if you think about it since the title won't give me a huge DPS boost but you better believe all that gold gear will,

So do we just pick and choose what each character has to earn and what we will let the account (or yourself) earn?

If you go through all that, and then just give the new character a title, well what was the point of rolling an alt at all if you aren't going to use that gear and CP to play the content over?

That's not what I'm getting at, I have all 12 char slots filled with active chars than I swap and use all types of gear on etc I wouldn't use my pvper to farm dungeons for PvP gear I would use my PvE one for that my point is there are people
Who are saying the reason they are against titles/achievements is because their character did not earn that achievement/ title so I wonder why they are ok using gear that they didn't earn but not a title/ achievement when they gear is the actual one which gives a bonus,

@Decado
The former, content & achievements, are the goal, the latter the means.

First off, gold and gear you can get from other players, so let's remove that from the equation. There are things that work for characters, and things the work for account. Collection achievements would work for account. Milestone achievements, earned for doing content, work for character. If everything is made account based, the reason for alts become meaningless except maybe to chase what's meta.

ChuckyPayne · December 2016

"If everything is made account based, the reason for alts become meaningless"

That is not true!!! With alt you must do the same progress (level up, gear up, collect skill points, raise guild reputaions, unlock skills, explore world, etc)

This works in many games already very well!
- story achievement. You did it with your main, and the achievement done, with the alts u must do for reward for skill point again.
- skyshard achievement. Same.

Account-wide. That doesn't mean, you do not have to do it again, just a freedom, play as you want.
- dungeon achievements, I play with mage in every game here is a DD. But it is hard with dd. Tank and healer much faster find a team. If achievements would be account-wide I would play with my templar and I would help to the game (LFG system) work better

- Or the pvp, healer need to the party. I don't go with healer to my dd need achievements ...

Account-wide. Honestly? I think it will never happen. but it is allowed to live in hopes

Honestly? Who know, how big this work? If need 20+ employers for months, not sure that we should deal with it.

sarcasm on
for who against the account-wide
- Dare not to use traders to buy gear, You must play for it, not buy from others.
- Dare not to send crafted gear to you alts, from your crafter character.
- Dare not to use colors with alts, allowed if you did the achievement.
- Dare not to use mementos with alts, allowed if you did the achievement.
- Dare not to use crown store mounts and costumes, only with that character bought it.
- Dare not to use gear, just that your character got (soulbound)
- I hope the crown store will soulbound, you need to buy for 10 times mount for your 10 character
- I hope the CP will soulbound you need to earn max cp cap for 10 time for your 10 character
- I hope colors will soulbound
- I hope ZOS will erese bound and implement soulbound for every item in the game (crafted items, food, crafted gear too).
- I hope ZOS will erase guild traders, if everything will soulbound, traders will useless.
Account-wide is a stupid thing, everything would be soulbound.
sarcasm off

driosketch · December 2016

ChuckyPayne wrote: »

"If everything is made account based, the reason for alts become meaningless"

That is not true!!! With alt you must do the same progress (level up, gear up, collect skill points, raise guild reputaions, unlock skills, explore world, etc)

@ChuckyPayne , if everything.

david1mchughb14_ESO · December 2016

I fully agree.

Tavore1138 · December 2016

Still struggling to see the gains from this. What do you think gets better if your level 10 can press 'J' and see the achieves earned by all your other characters? You are not faster or stronger... no-one else sees it... you lose the ability to track what you have and haven't done on that character...

Why not simply ask for an account achievements summary accesible on the chracter selection screen so you can look at the account total and leave the character specific sheets alone?

If it is about titles then you cross into a different discussion where if you can't manage vma on one chracter why would you even want to wear the title from another alt on which you can do it? Or for PvP titles... if you are a top player frankly it doesn't matter if you call yourself 'Volunteer' or 'Warlord' we know who they are because they are top players, they don't need to share titles because their fame, or infamy, is earned and exists beyond a game title.

Its not just that this would be something I would not enjoy personally but I also find it hard to see a logical way in which this would offer benefit to others and apart from accusing people of being selfish or making spurious arguments about not buying gear from crafters no-one has explained it in a positive way.

RavenSworn · December 2016

Imagine you own three cars. Car 1 you say "I've driven all over south America with it." car 2 you say "I've driven all over middle east with it." car 3 you say "I've driven all across of Europe with it."

You can't say you've driven all over middle east with the first car. It's not true yeah? Neither can you say you've driven south America with the third car. These cars don't share mileage with each other. Your character works the same way. You 'clock mileage' with each character with milestones. Aka achievements.

Certain cosmetic achievements like dyes or costumes can be put on each character. So even a new level 10 alt can be fitted with a dyed costume that can only be achieved with the reaching of lvl 50 for instance.

Tldr: there is nothing wrong with the current configuration.

Decado · December 2016

driosketch wrote: »

Decado wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

Decado wrote: »

To all the people who keep saying your character didn't earn it your main did so why should they get the title I have a question for you,

Let's say for example I make a fresh character so brand new baby ,

First thing I do is equip my MoL skin for it looks bad ass (didn't earn) I then hit level 4 and I hear him up on BiS crafted levelling gear (which he didn't make) I then dye it to my favourites colours (which my char doesn't have, I then buy some bag space (with what gold?)

The I say I can't be arsed to quest with this character so I grind him to level 50, the second he goes ding your not vet rank I immediately equip
Absolute BiS gear for whatever that char is so let's say a magicka DD he immediately gets the gold infallible rings I have tons of in the bank and which every set I decide to use with it let's say burning spellweave, so within 2 seconds of hitting veteran rank I have him stood There in 4 infallible, 5 burning spellweave and since this guy sounds like a DK let's throw in my divines grothdarr aswe so he's stood there in all that (in gold ofcourse) oh wait need one more thing, goes back into bank and pulls out BiS maelstrom staff

So know have my char who has never set foot on a trial or maelstrom (or city of ash) in BiS gold gear non of which he has earnt

Oh wait I just read a online guide that says twice born star is actually a 1% DPS increase over burning spellweave just let me log my 9 trait crafter with all the motifs and craft some!! Oh wait

How is that any different than him wearing my destroyer title? Infact wearing the title is less if you think about it since the title won't give me a huge DPS boost but you better believe all that gold gear will,

So do we just pick and choose what each character has to earn and what we will let the account (or yourself) earn?

If you go through all that, and then just give the new character a title, well what was the point of rolling an alt at all if you aren't going to use that gear and CP to play the content over?

That's not what I'm getting at, I have all 12 char slots filled with active chars than I swap and use all types of gear on etc I wouldn't use my pvper to farm dungeons for PvP gear I would use my PvE one for that my point is there are people
Who are saying the reason they are against titles/achievements is because their character did not earn that achievement/ title so I wonder why they are ok using gear that they didn't earn but not a title/ achievement when they gear is the actual one which gives a bonus,

@Decado
The former, content & achievements, are the goal, the latter the means.

First off, gold and gear you can get from other players, so let's remove that from the equation. There are things that work for characters, and things the work for account. Collection achievements would work for account. Milestone achievements, earned for doing content, work for character. If everything is made account based, the reason for alts become meaningless except maybe to chase what's meta.

Personally speaking I disagree massively on some things, like Alts becoming useless since I have all 12 char slots used up and I swap and play though a lot of chars all the time even the ones that are weaker in the current meta, I have my main (mag sorc) which has been my main forever but that doesn't mean I don't enjoy doing things on other characters, I like to swap and change characters for the different play style they offer, and personally I don't care about the achievements on those,

As for account wide achievements I'm actually more on the fence I agree some I would prefer we're account bound, the daedric slayer one for example I checked and I would have that title multiple times over however since I play lots of chars and RNG I don't have it in any, however the skyshards should be char since that helps keep track, also the current big title in PvE the destroyer title i will never get on another char, chances are I'll only ever get speed run and hard mode completed on any other chars but the ones like having 3 archers up or only ever having 2 people debuffed we as a raid had to go for specifically drastically slowing DPS etc they arnt difficult but just never likely as a raid to ever go for them again so that title is only ever on my main now

My main issue I had with this thread is people picking and choosing what they deemed there char had to earn and while it's true you can get crafted gear/ gold from others that's not the same as giving it yourself so do these guys only ever use gold that their char has earnt and crafted gear that someone gifted them (and tempers) OR do they use one of their other characters and gold they earnt,

If they do that then fair enough the argument that their char hasn't earnt the achievement is perfectly valid however if they don't do that and are perfectly happy using a crafting char then I call them a hypocrite who picks and chooses what they wish to earn and what they decide they don't have to earn on a new char

Farorin · December 2016

Yeah, I think they should be account wide too. But whatever, I don't care that much.

Kalathir · December 2016

I think account based achievements are coming with Homestead.
The houses are account based and they are introducing prestigious trophies based on certain achievements with it. It would not make sense for a character that doesn't have the achievement to be able to own a house with that trophy.
Probably only some achievements will be account based and others like Character will be character based.

Elsonso · December 2016

Kalathir wrote: »

I think account based achievements are coming with Homestead.
The houses are account based and they are introducing prestigious trophies based on certain achievements with it. I would not make sense for a character that doesn't have the achievement to be able to own a house with that trophy.
Probably only some achievements will be account based and others like Character will be character based.

I doubt they will change anything with Homestead, and some achievements are already account based while others are character based.

driosketch · December 2016

Decado wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

Decado wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

Decado wrote: »

To all the people who keep saying your character didn't earn it your main did so why should they get the title I have a question for you,

Let's say for example I make a fresh character so brand new baby ,

First thing I do is equip my MoL skin for it looks bad ass (didn't earn) I then hit level 4 and I hear him up on BiS crafted levelling gear (which he didn't make) I then dye it to my favourites colours (which my char doesn't have, I then buy some bag space (with what gold?)

The I say I can't be arsed to quest with this character so I grind him to level 50, the second he goes ding your not vet rank I immediately equip
Absolute BiS gear for whatever that char is so let's say a magicka DD he immediately gets the gold infallible rings I have tons of in the bank and which every set I decide to use with it let's say burning spellweave, so within 2 seconds of hitting veteran rank I have him stood There in 4 infallible, 5 burning spellweave and since this guy sounds like a DK let's throw in my divines grothdarr aswe so he's stood there in all that (in gold ofcourse) oh wait need one more thing, goes back into bank and pulls out BiS maelstrom staff

So know have my char who has never set foot on a trial or maelstrom (or city of ash) in BiS gold gear non of which he has earnt

Oh wait I just read a online guide that says twice born star is actually a 1% DPS increase over burning spellweave just let me log my 9 trait crafter with all the motifs and craft some!! Oh wait

How is that any different than him wearing my destroyer title? Infact wearing the title is less if you think about it since the title won't give me a huge DPS boost but you better believe all that gold gear will,

So do we just pick and choose what each character has to earn and what we will let the account (or yourself) earn?

If you go through all that, and then just give the new character a title, well what was the point of rolling an alt at all if you aren't going to use that gear and CP to play the content over?

That's not what I'm getting at, I have all 12 char slots filled with active chars than I swap and use all types of gear on etc I wouldn't use my pvper to farm dungeons for PvP gear I would use my PvE one for that my point is there are people
Who are saying the reason they are against titles/achievements is because their character did not earn that achievement/ title so I wonder why they are ok using gear that they didn't earn but not a title/ achievement when they gear is the actual one which gives a bonus,

@Decado
The former, content & achievements, are the goal, the latter the means.

First off, gold and gear you can get from other players, so let's remove that from the equation. There are things that work for characters, and things the work for account. Collection achievements would work for account. Milestone achievements, earned for doing content, work for character. If everything is made account based, the reason for alts become meaningless except maybe to chase what's meta.

Personally speaking I disagree massively on some things, like Alts becoming useless since I have all 12 char slots used up and I swap and play though a lot of chars all the time even the ones that are weaker in the current meta, I have my main (mag sorc) which has been my main forever but that doesn't mean I don't enjoy doing things on other characters, I like to swap and change characters for the different play style they offer, and personally I don't care about the achievements on those,

Again, if eveything. Look at all the suggestions of stuff besides achievements to be made account wide. Alts are fun now because to need to develop them, and there are content goals to achieve.

Decado wrote: »

As for account wide achievements I'm actually more on the fence I agree some I would prefer we're account bound, the daedric slayer one for example I checked and I would have that title multiple times over however since I play lots of chars and RNG I don't have it in any, however the skyshards should be char since that helps keep track, also the current big title in PvE the destroyer title i will never get on another char, chances are I'll only ever get speed run and hard mode completed on any other chars but the ones like having 3 archers up or only ever having 2 people debuffed we as a raid had to go for specifically drastically slowing DPS etc they arnt difficult but just never likely as a raid to ever go for them again so that title is only ever on my main now

All of which is fine.

Decado wrote: »

My main issue I had with this thread is people picking and choosing what they deemed there char had to earn and while it's true you can get crafted gear/ gold from others that's not the same as giving it yourself so do these guys only ever use gold that their char has earnt and crafted gear that someone gifted them (and tempers) OR do they use one of their other characters and gold they earnt,

It's the exact same with less steps. If we didn't have say a shared bank, we would make deals with guildies. Craft for each other, give each other gold. From an RP perspective, that works. You still need to log in and transfer through the bank. It's not like all characters have all the time access to all gold like craft materials in the craft bag.

Decado wrote: »

If they do that then fair enough the argument that their char hasn't earnt the achievement is perfectly valid however if they don't do that and are perfectly happy using a crafting char then I call them a hypocrite who picks and chooses what they wish to earn and what they decide they don't have to earn on a new char

You know, this is a separate discussion, but I wouldn't mind seeing some things made character based. Like dyes. Instead of being account wide based on achievements, I'd prefer an actual craft system. A merchant there could sell base dyes, while you could loot or harvest more unique ones. Crown cosmetics should be account wide, but in game mementos I wouldn't mind if they were character locked.

nordsavage · December 2016

kargen27 wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

I'm sure many will disagree but I've felt this way for awhile.

ZoS already allows dyes, mementos, skins, and many other things to be shared for the entire account.

Let us just take the next step and allow achievements (including titles earned) to be shared account-wide.

Discuss.

Why? So your healer can pretend to have made it through Malstrom? I don't really care so long as I still have the option to make my characters earn their titles but I just do not see the point. To me it is like making the achievements nothing more than participation ribbons.

My healer and even my tank are flawless conquerers. It is time for account wide achievements. Here is the deal. If you can Stormproof or Flawless on one alt then you have the knowledge and skill to do it on all alts. A real issue is trials like vet Maw. Those that lead the group usually dictate what alts you can and cannot bring for whatever reasoning they have to make the raid more successful so most of the time the majority of your alts get left out. So sharing up alleviates issues like this.

nordsavage · December 2016

lordrichter wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

CarbonX wrote: »

I don't agree. Why a character that didn't do something must be rewarded as if he/she did it?

The character did not earn it you did. If achievements were account wide by default not one person would be making threads on the forums for character based achievements of this I am certain because you would have no reason to question it because it is non-conflicting and logical.

I would be, and I would not be alone.

The character does earn it. This is an RPG. The first letter means "Role", and that is what I am doing. I exist in a Role Playing Game in the form of my character, not as me. I cannot get an achievement without the character any more than it can get it without me. Getting that achievement requires the character. This means that there are achievements that are suitable for being awarded to me, alone, and there are achievements that are suited to being awarded to me and the character I earned them with.

This goes far beyond achievements. This includes horse training. This includes Alliance Rank. This includes Titles. This includes crafting skills. This includes knowing motifs. These are things for my character, not just for me.

This is all about my progress through the game with each of my characters, as well as my own growth with the game. That is the whole purpose of a role playing game. It isn't just about me. It is about my play through the game in different roles, doing different things with different characters.

My characters are different and when I play them, I am doing different things. What am doing in the game, and achieving in the game, is as much dependent on the character as it is myself. That matters to me in an RPG.

Why should the completionist suffer because you want to play make believe like they are dolls.

SickDuck · December 2016

Time for another achievements thread eh?

Keep the current system, change achievement linking to include all your alts efforts. That way you can show off your expertise on a lowbie alt before getting the vote to kick.

Artis · December 2016

Tavore1138 wrote: »

Cerbolt wrote: »

Agreed. I'd rather not have to do the same repetitive thing on each of my characters, it gets old fast.

You don't have to do it now unless you feel a strange need to have your kevel 1 character in Coldharbour sporting Grand Overlord or Master Angler.

the achieves that vary between characters show what I have done with them and how each differs, my templar has stuff my NB main probably never will and vica versa... differences like these are what make playing more than one character worthwhile.

ZOS already give us everything material to share between toons so why ruin one of the few remaining things that makes progressing multiple toons fun?

So how are those costumes, pets and mementos that you earned/bought on one character but use on more than one? The hypocrisy of some people... Or how about that gear you loot on one character but then deposit to your bank so that other characters can use it? Or crafting on one character for other characters even though they don't "deserve" those things because they didn't level craft? Do you also count how many CP each character earned to only use that amount? Oh maybe you don't use dyes or skins? pfft.

No, no one is saying to have stormproof on new characters.

It's been said in other threads like this and even in this one. Grindy achievements - account-wide. Skill-based achievements that theoretically require just the skill (like titles for vet trials or vMA) - only for a character. It's fair and logical. And doesn't ruin the game for people who care about their progress as a player. Like, it sucks that I got 2 or 3 collectible while running dungeons on my alts and I don't have them on my main created back in 2014.

No one is trying to kill your progress for different toons. You will still have that. It's just that others will see the achievements overall + you will see if it's completed on this specific character. See WoW's achievement system. It's almost perfect.

TheShadowScout wrote: »

And there are quite a few issues with the "account wide achievement" idea. Like... how to check which character is missing which skyshards, or crafting motivs, or exploraction locations, or such... Of course, the same people who always whine about account wide achievements usually also whine about account wide crafting research and skyshards (and riding training); and get a little fuzzy on the idea of that actually having game effects (like skill points and exploration XP). And of course, there is that sillyness of an newly made alt being allowed to flaunt a "Stormproof" or "Boethiahs Scythe" or similar title which makes no sense whatsoever...

The one change I -would- like in the regard of account wide achievements would be an added account achievements page. Leaving the character achievements as they are, but adding a overview from the character selection screen where you can see which achievement was done by what character... the dye rewards could go there... and there could be new rewards for multiple achievement completions. Like... beat Molag Bal with characters of every class - new achievement; attain some PvP achievements with one character for every alliance - new achievement; explore all the maps with six different characters - new achievement; and so on... and the rewards from those would then be account wide, no matter what they might be - new dyes, new costumes, perhaps even new other things... whatever.

Absolutely no issues. The ones you list, for example, were answered many times. I personally remember solving them at least once in a similar thread. The one with titles - even in this very post.

And no, absolutely no achievements for doing something on multiple characters. Not with the grindfest that ESO's achievements are. The whole point is for players to NOT be forced to do it again. And yes, completionists are forced to do them.

And yes, there will be threads like that until it's implemented. THat or remove all the classes, so we can try everything on one character. Now we can't. But we want to. So we create alts. But we can't progress because wtf, the main has 20k+ points which took years to get. Either make achievements account-wide or remove the reason to create alts.

lordrichter wrote: »

My characters are different and when I play them, I am doing different things. What am doing in the game, and achieving in the game, is as much dependent on the character as it is myself. That matters to me in an RPG.

See above. Do you use CP, dyes etc that your characters didn't earn? If yes- you are a hypocrite then.

Then again, this was answered many times. You will still see what your particular characters have done. You are not losing anything, but other players gain.

Tavore1138 wrote: »

Still struggling to see the gains from this. What do you think gets better if your level 10 can press 'J' and see the achieves earned by all your other characters? You are not faster or stronger... no-one else sees it... you lose the ability to track what you have and haven't done on that character...

I won't feel like I"m wasting time because that collectible that just dropped didn't bring me a step closer to anything, because I didn't get it on my main. Also, if I suddenly like another class in end-game more than what I played for years - I can reroll and keep making progress as opposed to being stuck until I get all the achievements my former main has. Which basically no one would do, so they are forced to play what they started playing first or quit playing the game nearly as much, because rerolling isn't an option for players who want to complete things.

uniq_faznrb18_ESO wrote: »

Imagine you own three cars. Car 1 you say "I've driven all over south America with it." car 2 you say "I've driven all over middle east with it." car 3 you say "I've driven all across of Europe with it."

You can't say you've driven all over middle east with the first car. It's not true yeah? Neither can you say you've driven south America with the third car. These cars don't share mileage with each other. Your character works the same way. You 'clock mileage' with each character with milestones. Aka achievements.

Certain cosmetic achievements like dyes or costumes can be put on each character. So even a new level 10 alt can be fitted with a dyed costume that can only be achieved with the reaching of lvl 50 for instance.

Tldr: there is nothing wrong with the current configuration.

YEah no one cares which care you used. YOU ARE the driver.If you win a race with a car - you are the one who gets the Cup and title, not the car.

lordrichter wrote: »

I doubt they will change anything with Homestead, and some achievements are already account based while others are character based.

Which achievements are account based?

Surak73 · December 2016

As for me, it's a nonsense. Why on earth a character who has never ever been in Sanctum Ophidia should be Ophidian Overlord? Or a character who has never been in Cyrodiil a Grand Overlord? Or a character who has never closed an anchor a Enemy of Coldharbour?... And so on.

Characters are different, are intended as such and should remain so. It's up to you to decide which title you want to get for which character.

Cryptical · December 2016

LMar wrote: »

Why though? Can you explain it clearly? My level 13 alt never went into Cyrodiil. Why could she wear the Grant Overlord title for example? She also doesn't have the monster hunter title because she didn't hunt all those monsters that my main did

That wasn't her that had success in cyrodiil, that was you. You did that, not the character.

What about this new life festival? You may have grinder out all the achievements on a crafter. Do you think you should have to grind out all of those chapters and recipes and such on your tank and your healer and your dps to wear the title too? It looks like that gold hissmir recipe is an uncommon drop, are you happy with grinding those quests out another couple hundred times so you can DUPLICATE what you earned on your crafter?

Tandor · December 2016

nordsavage wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

CarbonX wrote: »

I don't agree. Why a character that didn't do something must be rewarded as if he/she did it?

The character did not earn it you did. If achievements were account wide by default not one person would be making threads on the forums for character based achievements of this I am certain because you would have no reason to question it because it is non-conflicting and logical.

I would be, and I would not be alone.

The character does earn it. This is an RPG. The first letter means "Role", and that is what I am doing. I exist in a Role Playing Game in the form of my character, not as me. I cannot get an achievement without the character any more than it can get it without me. Getting that achievement requires the character. This means that there are achievements that are suitable for being awarded to me, alone, and there are achievements that are suited to being awarded to me and the character I earned them with.

This goes far beyond achievements. This includes horse training. This includes Alliance Rank. This includes Titles. This includes crafting skills. This includes knowing motifs. These are things for my character, not just for me.

This is all about my progress through the game with each of my characters, as well as my own growth with the game. That is the whole purpose of a role playing game. It isn't just about me. It is about my play through the game in different roles, doing different things with different characters.

My characters are different and when I play them, I am doing different things. What am doing in the game, and achieving in the game, is as much dependent on the character as it is myself. That matters to me in an RPG.

Why should the completionist suffer because you want to play make believe like they are dolls.

Why should the completionist suffer because you want to play make believe like it's you who's doing all these things and not the different characters you control?

kargen27 · December 2016

nordsavage wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

I'm sure many will disagree but I've felt this way for awhile.

ZoS already allows dyes, mementos, skins, and many other things to be shared for the entire account.

Let us just take the next step and allow achievements (including titles earned) to be shared account-wide.

Discuss.

Why? So your healer can pretend to have made it through Malstrom? I don't really care so long as I still have the option to make my characters earn their titles but I just do not see the point. To me it is like making the achievements nothing more than participation ribbons.

My healer and even my tank are flawless conquerers. It is time for account wide achievements. Here is the deal. If you can Stormproof or Flawless on one alt then you have the knowledge and skill to do it on all alts. A real issue is trials like vet Maw. Those that lead the group usually dictate what alts you can and cannot bring for whatever reasoning they have to make the raid more successful so most of the time the majority of your alts get left out. So sharing up alleviates issues like this.

Alleviates what issue exactly? If achievements are shared account wide the elitists will just find some other measure to keep players/characters out. If they don't want to run with a character that hasn't achieved some certain goal (a stupid attitude in my opinion) why put something in game that lets you basically deceive other players you are grouping with?

AntMan100673 · December 2016

I think we should have a toggle so when we're looking at our achievements we can switch between looking at what an individual character has earned and what we've earned on our account.

People who like to get the achievements won't feel stuck on the character they started with as progress made on alts will count towards the achievements at the account level.

kargen27 · December 2016

Cryptical wrote: »

LMar wrote: »

Why though? Can you explain it clearly? My level 13 alt never went into Cyrodiil. Why could she wear the Grant Overlord title for example? She also doesn't have the monster hunter title because she didn't hunt all those monsters that my main did

That wasn't her that had success in cyrodiil, that was you. You did that, not the character.

What about this new life festival? You may have grinder out all the achievements on a crafter. Do you think you should have to grind out all of those chapters and recipes and such on your tank and your healer and your dps to wear the title too? It looks like that gold hissmir recipe is an uncommon drop, are you happy with grinding those quests out another couple hundred times so you can DUPLICATE what you earned on your crafter?

If you want your healer to wear the title then yeah I think the healer should earn it. For me I need two of each chapter. One for the character I am trying to get all the achievements on and one for my crafter. The recipe I need two of, but would prefer three. This isn't really a good example though of achievements because you can just buy the recipe. Prices are already coming down.

Flynch · December 2016

I would prefer that the seasonal festive achievements (which give rewards) are account wide, as they are very much time-locked. The other achievements can be left as they are, as there are no such time constraints, and as such they can be completed whenever and on whichever character.

kargen27 · December 2016

Seems we have three different issues going on here. Some want to share titles account wide. That I am against, each character should earn the title. I think it is dishonest grouping up with the vet maelstrom title on a character that didn't complete it.

We also have the issue where people want to combine what each character has done to finish an achievement. As an example the 100 million damage dealer in Cyradiil. Instead of having one character get all 100 million they want to add it all up across the account to get the achievement. Against this also.

The next issue is trophies and collections. Some want the achievement if they get all the collection across their account. This one I can kind of see but I think the trophy should be something you can put in your bank and then activate it on the character you want, a one time use. If you want two characters to get the achievement you will need two complete collections. Me personally I wouldn't share across characters as I want my main to do it all herself. I could see letting others do it if they wished though.

Cryptical · December 2016

Tandor wrote: »

Why should the completionist suffer because you want to play make believe like it's you who's doing all these things and not the different characters you control?

Kermit the frog does nothing without being controlled by a puppeteer.

Fictional characters do NOTHING on their own motivation or with their own skills.

It is ALWAYS the motivation and skill of the person controlling the fictional character that determines success or failure.

Even you allude to this when you refer to them as "characters you control" instead of simply as characters.

When you die in a duel or get rekt in cyrodiil, is it you who needs to 'git gud' or is it the character who needs to improve? If it's the character and not you who earned the titles, then you should start yelling at your character for every loss in pvp. Which would be quite absurd - but it is also absurd to try and act as if the person controlling the character is not the true earner of the titles.

Stopnaggin · December 2016

Sigtric wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Make them account wide. I have been after this for a long time. The people who will argue against this are usually casuals anyway that do not take the time to get the ones that take weeks and months to get. At this point it is nearly impossible to get them all with how often content is released much less on up to 11 alts and now there are miss-able acheivements. What happens when you make an alt after the fact. Just ignore Sigtric these achievement threads always have one of those guys who bark against without an actual argument.

So, someone being lazy, not wanting to do whats required to earn things on new characters is calling others casuals? That's golden. A+

The actual argument is if you want something, do the required content to get it.

"My character didn't do it, I did" Is a cop out. I leveled one toon from 1 to 50. Should all the others not have to?
I did all the quests in Ebonheart Pact on one toon, should all the others automatically complete them too?
That's dumb.

Sorry but some of this is already in there anyway, you level a main, you got cp, guess what you roll a new toon you have that cp.

I agree some should remain per character, some should also be shared. Seriously if I have the master angler achievement on 1 toon, I have done the required work to earn that. Why should I have to do it again. When I cleared HM SOTH I can use the skin on any character, even though my alt hasn't run it. In all honest some of the achievements are just time sinks and don't mean anything, ie monster hunter, master angler.

jedtb16_ESO · December 2016

in answer to the op....

no, it isn't.

why?

because i say so.

Giraffon · December 2016

Someone else already suggested this, but leave everything as it is, but create an additional achievements tab called "account achievements" Nothing changes, but if you just want to see what you've done and haven't done then you could look on this tab to see it. It would also have the achievements linkable for bragging rights purposes. Sometimes I get into a boasting contest with guildies only to realize I'm on an alt that hasn't done very much.

Tandor · December 2016

Cryptical wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Why should the completionist suffer because you want to play make believe like it's you who's doing all these things and not the different characters you control?

Kermit the frog does nothing without being controlled by a puppeteer.

Fictional characters do NOTHING on their own motivation or with their own skills.

It is ALWAYS the motivation and skill of the person controlling the fictional character that determines success or failure.

Even you allude to this when you refer to them as "characters you control" instead of simply as characters.

When you die in a duel or get rekt in cyrodiil, is it you who needs to 'git gud' or is it the character who needs to improve? If it's the character and not you who earned the titles, then you should start yelling at your character for every loss in pvp. Which would be quite absurd - but it is also absurd to try and act as if the person controlling the character is not the true earner of the titles.

There's one basic flaw in your argument - and you even allude to it. You don't die in a duel, your character does.

Everything done in the game is done by your character. It is done through you, not by you.

kargen27 · December 2016

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Make them account wide. I have been after this for a long time. The people who will argue against this are usually casuals anyway that do not take the time to get the ones that take weeks and months to get. At this point it is nearly impossible to get them all with how often content is released much less on up to 11 alts and now there are miss-able acheivements. What happens when you make an alt after the fact. Just ignore Sigtric these achievement threads always have one of those guys who bark against without an actual argument.

So, someone being lazy, not wanting to do whats required to earn things on new characters is calling others casuals? That's golden. A+

The actual argument is if you want something, do the required content to get it.

"My character didn't do it, I did" Is a cop out. I leveled one toon from 1 to 50. Should all the others not have to?
I did all the quests in Ebonheart Pact on one toon, should all the others automatically complete them too?
That's dumb.

Sorry but some of this is already in there anyway, you level a main, you got cp, guess what you roll a new toon you have that cp.

I agree some should remain per character, some should also be shared. Seriously if I have the master angler achievement on 1 toon, I have done the required work to earn that. Why should I have to do it again. When I cleared HM SOTH I can use the skin on any character, even though my alt hasn't run it. In all honest some of the achievements are just time sinks and don't mean anything, ie monster hunter, master angler.

You have done the work to earn master angler one time. Why should you get the title twice? Your other characters get the benefit of your first finishing (four dyes I think) why do they need the title without earning it?

I know one player who has the master fisherman on six characters and is working on a 7th. I think that is very impressive. I managed it on two and not sure if I am going to work a third or not. Wouldn't be near as impressive if it were not earned each time.