It's Time for Achievements to be Account-Wide

Rev Rielle · December 2016

LMar wrote: »

Why though? Can you explain it clearly? My level 13 alt never went into Cyrodiil. Why could she wear the Grant Overlord title for example? She also doesn't have the monster hunter title because she didn't hunt all those monsters that my main did

I agree.

People seem to forget:
a) It's a RPG game, role playing,
b) Achievements are there to show what your character's done and to be used as a guide regarding which content you've yet to complete with them.

Account wide serves zero purpose and would only add confusion.
It just doesn't make sense.

Arciris · December 2016

I think achievements, and worse, tittles, being account wide makes no sense.
However, I can see one situation where we could open an exception: limited time events such as the new life we are currently going through.
The reason behind that is that due to it's own nature, those achievements and tittles are limited in time, thus making people with less time to play left with maybe one char to complete the event.
The Witches festival had less possible achievements which allowed me to have 3 chars with the tittle, while being sick for a big part of the event.
The New life Festival has more achievements, which is awesome -not complaining one bit- but I wanted to have more chars with the tittle and it just seems really difficult at this point, especially because of the lag that takes most of my playtime to loading screens and relogs.At this point, I'm happy when 1 char manages to finish all quests during my daily playtime (which is kind of big).
Limited time Special Events = account wide achievements and tittles. This is the one exception that I believe is acceptable, it's not a huge feat anyway, it only requires you to make very simple stuff :P

Decado · December 2016

To all the people who keep saying your character didn't earn it your main did so why should they get the title I have a question for you,

Let's say for example I make a fresh character so brand new baby ,

First thing I do is equip my MoL skin for it looks bad ass (didn't earn) I then hit level 4 and I hear him up on BiS crafted levelling gear (which he didn't make) I then dye it to my favourites colours (which my char doesn't have, I then buy some bag space (with what gold?)

The I say I can't be arsed to quest with this character so I grind him to level 50, the second he goes ding your not vet rank I immediately equip
Absolute BiS gear for whatever that char is so let's say a magicka DD he immediately gets the gold infallible rings I have tons of in the bank and which every set I decide to use with it let's say burning spellweave, so within 2 seconds of hitting veteran rank I have him stood There in 4 infallible, 5 burning spellweave and since this guy sounds like a DK let's throw in my divines grothdarr aswe so he's stood there in all that (in gold ofcourse) oh wait need one more thing, goes back into bank and pulls out BiS maelstrom staff

So know have my char who has never set foot on a trial or maelstrom (or city of ash) in BiS gold gear non of which he has earnt

Oh wait I just read a online guide that says twice born star is actually a 1% DPS increase over burning spellweave just let me log my 9 trait crafter with all the motifs and craft some!! Oh wait

How is that any different than him wearing my destroyer title? Infact wearing the title is less if you think about it since the title won't give me a huge DPS boost but you better believe all that gold gear will,

So do we just pick and choose what each character has to earn and what we will let the account (or yourself) earn?

LordGavus · December 2016

nordsavage wrote: »

Ok let us go one step further don't use CP 160 gear until your alt has earned 160 CP worth of exp for each alt. Then do not allocate any further CP until you earn that much in exp. Do not use dyes that come from PvP or anything else that unlocks them until that alt completes the parameters. And no getting that vet trial gear on one alt and using it on an that you do not run in there is no difference. IT DID NOT EARN IT. Players like you always have principles up until the point that it no longer suits their argument..

Principles? I stand by my comment that gear and dyes are different to titles.
I like to think that my main helps out his little brothers with gear, but getting gear related to a task is different to claiming they have completed that task. Which is how I view titles.
It may be a completely arbitrary place to draw the line, but it makes sense to me from a role play point of view.

As for shared CP, that is a different discussion. Though I will admit when it was brought in I wasn't fully on board but was convinced by well reasoned arguments. If that counts as abandoning my principles then we disagree again.

TheShadowScout · December 2016

brandonv516 wrote: »

It's Time for Achievements to be Account-Wide...

Not this again.

Every couple months, we have someone pop up with this idea. And its a stupid idea. And its always the same stupid arguments, from "ZOS already allows more account wide stuff then most MMORPGs, so make it All account wide..." to "I the player did it already, so all my characters should get it..."
And it does not make it a better idea, no matter how often some lazy people demand to get things without having to work for them.
ESO already has more account wide stuff then any other MMORPG I ever played, and I happen to think, they just managed the right balance between character specific and account wide. And all the people did whatever on That character, not on the other characters. Its just like someone painting one room in their house, doesn't mean that all the opther rooms are painted too...
And there are quite a few issues with the "account wide achievement" idea. Like... how to check which character is missing which skyshards, or crafting motivs, or exploraction locations, or such... Of course, the same people who always whine about account wide achievements usually also whine about account wide crafting research and skyshards (and riding training); and get a little fuzzy on the idea of that actually having game effects (like skill points and exploration XP). And of course, there is that sillyness of an newly made alt being allowed to flaunt a "Stormproof" or "Boethiahs Scythe" or similar title which makes no sense whatsoever...

The one change I -would- like in the regard of account wide achievements would be an added account achievements page. Leaving the character achievements as they are, but adding a overview from the character selection screen where you can see which achievement was done by what character... the dye rewards could go there... and there could be new rewards for multiple achievement completions. Like... beat Molag Bal with characters of every class - new achievement; attain some PvP achievements with one character for every alliance - new achievement; explore all the maps with six different characters - new achievement; and so on... and the rewards from those would then be account wide, no matter what they might be - new dyes, new costumes, perhaps even new other things... whatever.

mb10 · December 2016

ZOD actually think having achievements separate keeps people playing because they want the achievements on every account LOL we couldnt care less just put it all together!

Agobi · December 2016

LMar wrote: »

Why though? Can you explain it clearly? My level 13 alt never went into Cyrodiil. Why could she wear the Grant Overlord title for example? She also doesn't have the monster hunter title because she didn't hunt all those monsters that my main did

You earned the title...you should be able to wear it,regardless of which character you happen to log in that day

spiffy_jim · December 2016

I agree with the OP - I usually swap between my ALTs all the time, so I never really have a Main character for more than a few weeks/months before wanting to try another class/race/faction.

Having different characters as mains for professions makes sense (seeing as their builds are typically different), but redoing the achievements are ridiculous when you 'Main' 3-4 different characters. Why don't they just have 2-options for achievements: (1) you do everything for individual characters and get a different colour name tag and maybe a title when you finish them, and (2) you share achievements and you collect things as normal knowing you've opted in to sharing them so you won't get the super-special title, etc. for doing them per-character.

driosketch · December 2016

Decado wrote: »

To all the people who keep saying your character didn't earn it your main did so why should they get the title I have a question for you,

Let's say for example I make a fresh character so brand new baby ,

First thing I do is equip my MoL skin for it looks bad ass (didn't earn) I then hit level 4 and I hear him up on BiS crafted levelling gear (which he didn't make) I then dye it to my favourites colours (which my char doesn't have, I then buy some bag space (with what gold?)

The I say I can't be arsed to quest with this character so I grind him to level 50, the second he goes ding your not vet rank I immediately equip
Absolute BiS gear for whatever that char is so let's say a magicka DD he immediately gets the gold infallible rings I have tons of in the bank and which every set I decide to use with it let's say burning spellweave, so within 2 seconds of hitting veteran rank I have him stood There in 4 infallible, 5 burning spellweave and since this guy sounds like a DK let's throw in my divines grothdarr aswe so he's stood there in all that (in gold ofcourse) oh wait need one more thing, goes back into bank and pulls out BiS maelstrom staff

So know have my char who has never set foot on a trial or maelstrom (or city of ash) in BiS gold gear non of which he has earnt

Oh wait I just read a online guide that says twice born star is actually a 1% DPS increase over burning spellweave just let me log my 9 trait crafter with all the motifs and craft some!! Oh wait

How is that any different than him wearing my destroyer title? Infact wearing the title is less if you think about it since the title won't give me a huge DPS boost but you better believe all that gold gear will,

So do we just pick and choose what each character has to earn and what we will let the account (or yourself) earn?

If you go through all that, and then just give the new character a title, well what was the point of rolling an alt at all if you aren't going to use that gear and CP to play the content over?

rootimus · December 2016

I'd love to have the option of account-wide achievements and titles. Roleplayers should always have the option to keep them per-character in the event that Zenimax do something. At a minimum, it'd be nice if, when rolling a new alt, you could have the option to import the journal / achievements / quest progress / locations / etc of an existing character. Some people enjoy starting a new character from scratch, but some of us have done all that stuff once, twice or even more and it's just tedious grind at this point.

Edit: Typographical error.

Doctordarkspawn · December 2016

Yes. Account wide achievements, make it happen.

Lord_Wrath · December 2016

Ive only played eso since launch on pc. Between family, friends and work all of my progress has gone to my sorcerer. 16k+ achievements, master crafter and maxed skills. I just don't have the time to redo that progress with another character, nor do I ever want to repeat. Its time better spent on my main as there is always a goal to achieve.

However i think there should be things that aren't account wide. Achievements like crafting, dungeons & trials and other combat related achievements should still be earned.

itehache · December 2016

MaKTaiL wrote: »

Some achievements should be account wide, not all of them. Achievements tied to quests and skill points should be character based. Achievements tied to events, collecting stuff, or completing a certain number of requirements (harvest X amount of resource nodes for example) should be account wide.

This!!! ^^

Elsonso · December 2016

nordsavage wrote: »

CarbonX wrote: »

I don't agree. Why a character that didn't do something must be rewarded as if he/she did it?

The character did not earn it you did. If achievements were account wide by default not one person would be making threads on the forums for character based achievements of this I am certain because you would have no reason to question it because it is non-conflicting and logical.

I would be, and I would not be alone.

The character does earn it. This is an RPG. The first letter means "Role", and that is what I am doing. I exist in a Role Playing Game in the form of my character, not as me. I cannot get an achievement without the character any more than it can get it without me. Getting that achievement requires the character. This means that there are achievements that are suitable for being awarded to me, alone, and there are achievements that are suited to being awarded to me and the character I earned them with.

This goes far beyond achievements. This includes horse training. This includes Alliance Rank. This includes Titles. This includes crafting skills. This includes knowing motifs. These are things for my character, not just for me.

This is all about my progress through the game with each of my characters, as well as my own growth with the game. That is the whole purpose of a role playing game. It isn't just about me. It is about my play through the game in different roles, doing different things with different characters.

My characters are different and when I play them, I am doing different things. What am doing in the game, and achieving in the game, is as much dependent on the character as it is myself. That matters to me in an RPG.

Drdeath20 · December 2016

progression

lordrichter wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

CarbonX wrote: »

I don't agree. Why a character that didn't do something must be rewarded as if he/she did it?

The character did not earn it you did. If achievements were account wide by default not one person would be making threads on the forums for character based achievements of this I am certain because you would have no reason to question it because it is non-conflicting and logical.

I would be, and I would not be alone.

The character does earn it. This is an RPG. The first letter means "Role", and that is what I am doing. I exist in a Role Playing Game in the form of my character, not as me. I cannot get an achievement without the character any more than it can get it without me. Getting that achievement requires the character. This means that there are achievements that are suitable for being awarded to me, alone, and there are achievements that are suited to being awarded to me and the character I earned them with.

This goes far beyond achievements. This includes horse training. This includes Alliance Rank. This includes Titles. This includes crafting skills. This includes knowing motifs. These are things for my character, not just for me.

This is all about my progress through the game with each of my characters, as well as my own growth with the game. That is the whole purpose of a role playing game. It isn't just about me. It is about my play through the game in different roles, doing different things with different characters.

My characters are different and when I play them, I am doing different things. What am doing in the game, and achieving in the game, is as much dependent on the character as it is myself. That matters to me in an RPG.

Rpg! Really bruh?

Elsonso · December 2016

Drdeath20 wrote: »

Rpg! Really bruh?

That is what they say. Although, I am not sure that some people, including ZOS, aren't thinking that this is just some form of really complicated MOBA.

emilyhyoyeon · December 2016

MaKTaiL wrote: »

LMar wrote: »

Why though? Can you explain it clearly? My level 13 alt never went into Cyrodiil. Why could she wear the Grant Overlord title for example? She also doesn't have the monster hunter title because she didn't hunt all those monsters that my main did

Your main didn't do anything. You did.

I don't really understand this. I do but I don't.

Shouldn't this apply for everything? as in, my character didn't fight Molag Bal - I did, even though I don't exist in the world of Nirn. What's the point of roleplaying or making characters with their own stories if nothing they do matters in this kind of way? where: they don't do anything - I do as the out-of-world-player. I mean of course peoples' characters didn't do anything since it's just a game and videogame characters don't exist (and I guess this applies to any game).

But I understand that achievements take a long time and technically the player really did it, and a lot of players don't care about this kind of roleplaying and DON'T see it as their characters achieving this things, whereas I do.

In issues like this I'm for supporting the OP since I can play my own way and ignore the change if it's not for me and it doesn't really punish me, but it does punish those who do want the change and don't get it. If they did make this change, I would like a way for achievements to be account-wide, but also let individual characters have the progress bars that need to be filled up too, if that makes sense, so I can track them on my individual characters.

Drdeath20 · December 2016

Some want just a little less grinding and other people are mad about this?

I...I....I just can't even....

AlexTech0x · December 2016

I agree.
Basically the same grind over and over ( motifs and stuff ) should be account related.
Skyshards? Not, besides thats something we all want to do. We certanly don't want to get thousands of motifs again.

Vrienda · December 2016

Yes please! If I have to grind out Tamriel Hero one more time I'll snap!

I guess the limiting factor is the undaunted skillline. How would they address that? I'd love to have account wide progress for that skill line but I don't think ZOS want that.

Vrienda · December 2016

Sigtric wrote: »

I have to disagree with the "my character didn't do it, I did it" argument to. I mean that logic would then apply to everything. Where does it stop? Why not just grant all maxed alts with gear etc, because *I* already did it once?

You can already give alts gear you've earned. All mine are wearing monster helmets and (Except for my main, who earned them) they've never set foot inside a veteran dungeon.

kargen27 · December 2016

brandonv516 wrote: »

I'm sure many will disagree but I've felt this way for awhile.

ZoS already allows dyes, mementos, skins, and many other things to be shared for the entire account.

Let us just take the next step and allow achievements (including titles earned) to be shared account-wide.

Discuss.

Why? So your healer can pretend to have made it through Malstrom? I don't really care so long as I still have the option to make my characters earn their titles but I just do not see the point. To me it is like making the achievements nothing more than participation ribbons.

Elsonso · December 2016

kargen27 wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

I'm sure many will disagree but I've felt this way for awhile.

ZoS already allows dyes, mementos, skins, and many other things to be shared for the entire account.

Let us just take the next step and allow achievements (including titles earned) to be shared account-wide.

Discuss.

Why? So your healer can pretend to have made it through Malstrom? I don't really care so long as I still have the option to make my characters earn their titles but I just do not see the point. To me it is like making the achievements nothing more than participation ribbons.

No, it does not work that way. I tried with Champion Points and <50 characters. It just isn't workable when everyone around you has a couple hundred CP on their Level 4 character. If they short circuit the game's achievements, there is no option. Titles would mean nothing if some characters had to work for them, and others just got it for free because some player just wants his bling.

Hortator Indoril Nerevar · December 2016

brandonv516 wrote: »

I'm sure many will disagree but I've felt this way for awhile.

ZoS already allows dyes, mementos, skins, and many other things to be shared for the entire account.

Let us just take the next step and allow achievements (including titles earned) to be shared account-wide.

Discuss.

yes.

Tandor · December 2016

Absolutely not. I hate the whole concept of account-wide achievements, and would far rather champion points and dye unlocks weren't handled that way. I don't ask for those things to be changed, but I don't want any other changes either.

I run multiple characters and they are all equal, I don't have one main and a bunch of alts. Although not a role-player in any formal way, I develop them individually, so that my holy paladin style Imperial Templar doesn't do the Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood content with the result that I have no interest in him sharing the achievements that are earned from that content by my assassin type Dark Elf Nightblade.

It would just be so wrong, and it would be solely so that those who are only interested in the endgame can get there quickly with their alts by missing out so much of the content along the way. By all means speed things up for those people by selling Crown Store tokens to create instantly capped characters once they've done it all with one character, but don't meet their demands by ruining individual character development for those who have less interest in the destination and more interest in savoring the journey with each and every one of their characters.

kargen27 · December 2016

lordrichter wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

I'm sure many will disagree but I've felt this way for awhile.

ZoS already allows dyes, mementos, skins, and many other things to be shared for the entire account.

Let us just take the next step and allow achievements (including titles earned) to be shared account-wide.

Discuss.

Why? So your healer can pretend to have made it through Malstrom? I don't really care so long as I still have the option to make my characters earn their titles but I just do not see the point. To me it is like making the achievements nothing more than participation ribbons.

No, it does not work that way. I tried with Champion Points and <50 characters. It just isn't workable when everyone around you has a couple hundred CP on their Level 4 character. If they short circuit the game's achievements, there is no option. Titles would mean nothing if some characters had to work for them, and others just got it for free because some player just wants his bling.

Champion points actually make a difference in the game. Personally I don't apply champion points to a character until they reach 50 and I only crafted armor for one. The others all wore what they could find. The titles are really nothing other than a way to show others what you have accomplished. That is why I prefer them to be character bound, not account wide. If others want to pretend their level 35 tank is a former emperor though it really doesn't hurt me. It isn't like all of their characters are going to be able to go open the chest at the end of vDSA just because they have a title saying they finished it.

I just want to be able to track what each of my characters have done individually. Helps me decide what each one will want to do next. I do have the master fisherman achievement listed on two of my characters but I think all my others are still the default whatever it is. Again I really do not see the point of why you would want a character to have a title the character didn't earn. Was hoping someone might provide some insight.

Browiseth · December 2016

no because (contrived reason because i enjoy my fun and the fun of others being reduced in any way possible)

Subfocus · December 2016

ESO hasn't reached that point yet, they need you to make alts because that means you spend more time in the game, as this game developers into an established game with a larger playerbase and more microtransactions for your account instead of your character, than you will see crafting and such become account wide (hopefully)

Decado · December 2016

driosketch wrote: »

Decado wrote: »

To all the people who keep saying your character didn't earn it your main did so why should they get the title I have a question for you,

Let's say for example I make a fresh character so brand new baby ,

First thing I do is equip my MoL skin for it looks bad ass (didn't earn) I then hit level 4 and I hear him up on BiS crafted levelling gear (which he didn't make) I then dye it to my favourites colours (which my char doesn't have, I then buy some bag space (with what gold?)

The I say I can't be arsed to quest with this character so I grind him to level 50, the second he goes ding your not vet rank I immediately equip
Absolute BiS gear for whatever that char is so let's say a magicka DD he immediately gets the gold infallible rings I have tons of in the bank and which every set I decide to use with it let's say burning spellweave, so within 2 seconds of hitting veteran rank I have him stood There in 4 infallible, 5 burning spellweave and since this guy sounds like a DK let's throw in my divines grothdarr aswe so he's stood there in all that (in gold ofcourse) oh wait need one more thing, goes back into bank and pulls out BiS maelstrom staff

So know have my char who has never set foot on a trial or maelstrom (or city of ash) in BiS gold gear non of which he has earnt

Oh wait I just read a online guide that says twice born star is actually a 1% DPS increase over burning spellweave just let me log my 9 trait crafter with all the motifs and craft some!! Oh wait

How is that any different than him wearing my destroyer title? Infact wearing the title is less if you think about it since the title won't give me a huge DPS boost but you better believe all that gold gear will,

So do we just pick and choose what each character has to earn and what we will let the account (or yourself) earn?

If you go through all that, and then just give the new character a title, well what was the point of rolling an alt at all if you aren't going to use that gear and CP to play the content over?

That's not what I'm getting at, I have all 12 char slots filled with active chars than I swap and use all types of gear on etc I wouldn't use my pvper to farm dungeons for PvP gear I would use my PvE one for that my point is there are people
Who are saying the reason they are against titles/achievements is because their character did not earn that achievement/ title so I wonder why they are ok using gear that they didn't earn but not a title/ achievement when they gear is the actual one which gives a bonus,

Ulfberht · December 2016

I prefer them to remain on a per character basis. I don't view each character as "me", I view them as individual characters with different goals, desires, and achievements.

On that note - I personally dislike that all of my characters automatically join any guild(s) that I am a part of and that I am not able to be in separate guilds with separate characters.