A single Oceanic server

idk · December 2016

Travis10123 wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@Travis10123

How do you know an oceanic serer would be filled? Many current Oceanic players have friends on the server they currently play on. This is clear since even with an EU server there are many in the EU that play on the NA server.

Additionally, it would require multiple servers since consoles and PC will not be on the same server. PCs have a sound advantage over consoles.

Being part of an oceanic/Australia guild on NA I can tell you that they will switch in a heartbeat, day after day we get new people join the guild discussing an oceanic server at the same rate this occurs people also stop and quit playing all together and as they have said simply because of the lag. So that is my reasoning behind it I guarantee if an oceanic server was the first server to come online then an NA server the NA population would switch instantly. If the demand for console servers isnt there then no there is no need for an oceanic server I dont play on console so I cant tell you how the population is going on there.

Whole I respect your desire for this to happen the suport for it is likely by there for 3 more servers.

First, the limited observations included in this thread are not enough to determine if adding the serves is viable.

Second, it's not just one server. There are three for each geographic area. The consoles and PC/Mac cannot coexist.

Third? I know oceanic players who would not change because they would have to leave the gaming community they know. So the observations of one guild is not sufficient as I pointed out before.

Travis10123 · December 2016

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Travis10123 wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@Travis10123

How do you know an oceanic serer would be filled? Many current Oceanic players have friends on the server they currently play on. This is clear since even with an EU server there are many in the EU that play on the NA server.

Additionally, it would require multiple servers since consoles and PC will not be on the same server. PCs have a sound advantage over consoles.

Being part of an oceanic/Australia guild on NA I can tell you that they will switch in a heartbeat, day after day we get new people join the guild discussing an oceanic server at the same rate this occurs people also stop and quit playing all together and as they have said simply because of the lag. So that is my reasoning behind it I guarantee if an oceanic server was the first server to come online then an NA server the NA population would switch instantly. If the demand for console servers isnt there then no there is no need for an oceanic server I dont play on console so I cant tell you how the population is going on there.

Whole I respect your desire for this to happen the suport for it is likely by there for 3 more servers.

First, the limited observations included in this thread are not enough to determine if adding the serves is viable.

Second, it's not just one server. There are three for each geographic area. The consoles and PC/Mac cannot coexist.

Third? I know oceanic players who would not change because they would have to leave the gaming community they know. So the observations of one guild is not sufficient as I pointed out before.

I'd love to see the oceanic players who would not change more to the point the view point of an oceanic guild which has a waiting list to join is far more relevant than a few people you 'know'

SkylarkX · December 2016

The unknowable quantity is how many new players or returning players would an oceanic server draw in - ultimately that's what would determine it.

Travis10123 · December 2016

SkylarkX wrote: »

The unknowable quantity is how many new players or returning players would an oceanic server draw in - ultimately that's what would determine it.

I'm pretty sure with 4.5 billion people in the Asia Pacific region there would be enough.

s_jscorpiorwb17_ESO · December 2016

I play from sydney/australia & although you get the odd time when pings are high 300+ & all over the place most the time my ping sits around 230-260 which is playable for pvp an pve. Like most Australia until the new Fibre NBN gets to your area im on copper adsl2 im sure once Fibre is available it should be under 200. Dont think theres really enough players to warrent another server region.

Valethar · December 2016

The sad reality is that many game companies simply cannot reconcile the revenue gained from an APAC server with the expenses involved. Even EA/Bioware dumped their SWTOR servers, because the return on the investment didn't warrant their continued existence, especially when the populations tanked. APAC players howled long and hard for their own servers, and when they got them, they just couldn't keep them populated enough to keep them viable. The servers lasted barely a year before they were shuttered.

If there were a high enough population to sustain a server, with the expected quality of life the players would want, and deserve, I would think ZOS would certainly look at it as long as it was financially viable. If setting up an APAC server is just going to be a money sink, they're not even going to consider the possibility.

Travis10123 · December 2016

I wouldnt compare swtor at the same time the server went down the game was in general also ESO isnt on the same trend as swtor was. I hardly care enough to continue this discussion like so many other oceanic region players I'm just going to leave until it ages if it ever does and find a game which supports my region.

Acrolas · December 2016

The most practical scenario is, if one of the console servers ever tanks in population, they'd discontinue it, wipe it, then move it to a new regional location and try a new PC/Mac server. But it's still risky. ZOS couldn't just recycle what few shreds of marketing they already have and expect profitability. It would be a substantial investment.

And while latency is higher for out of region players, the trade-off is that NA and EU are already established, functional communities. It's one of the few features of an MMO the developers can't outright purchase, so it has its own intrinsic value. A player from Japan or Australia is going to jump onto the server knowing something is definitely happening, which may not bring additional sales but is still consumer confidence.

MickeyBN · December 2016

They could probably pay for a single server in Sydney just with the money they've made so far selling crates.

Would they?! HAHAHAHAHA...no.

Riejael · December 2016

Cozzy1991 wrote: »

miahus wrote: »

Forget it. Asia is a bigger market than Oceania and we don't have an Asian server. Don't think Oceania will have their own server if Asia doesn't get it first.

Uh.....Most of oceania has Asian countries in it....you would benefit as well........

Negative.

Asia gets far better Pings to NA than they do Australia (Tokyo to San Francisco is 110, while Tokyo to Sydney is over 230). Reason isn't distance. The reason is politics. AU region has its traffic heavily regulated. The only solution is a physical server BEHIND that firewall.

Australians could improve their ping on average 100-200 by just changing their government (using legal methods of course).

Problem with a server there is two fold.

1. Again they have local political issues that make it expensive to launch a server.
2. Population may not support a server. This is ESO, not WoW. WoW is the only MMO I know of that can support it.

Ever wonder why AU regions don't make their own games and have the world connect to them? Not a large enough local population to even support a locally developed game. Its a large island. They have enough people to equal our 3rd highest populated state in the US.. but I doubt they have as high of a percentage of gamers.

Waseem · December 2016

i think someone watched a video of an ESO dev stating : we have a playersbase of millions" - which is totally not true - unless its millions who logged to game once since its release and never played again

with the current staff talks, dont dream of any new servers to open unless they start stating " we have a playersbase of hundreds of millions"

Destyran · December 2016

Yes!! Give us a australian server pleaaaaase

Riejael · December 2016

Waseem wrote: »

i think someone watched a video of an ESO dev stating : we have a playersbase of millions" - which is totally not true - unless its millions who logged to game once since its release and never played again

with the current staff talks, dont dream of any new servers to open unless they start stating " we have a playersbase of hundreds of millions"

I'd be interested to know where you get those numbers from.

You don't need millions to open up servers. Most MMO servers handle less than 5000 players. I know a regular live server for EQ is 2500 players max (queues begin after that). While their newer servers handle 5000.

FloppyTouch · December 2016

When was anything said about battlegrounds? Did I miss something did ZoS say it's in the works? Seems all I hear about but have not seen any proof of it happening. Guess I'll do a fast google search

Elsonso · December 2016

Travis10123 wrote: »

SkylarkX wrote: »

The unknowable quantity is how many new players or returning players would an oceanic server draw in - ultimately that's what would determine it.

I'm pretty sure with 4.5 billion people in the Asia Pacific region there would be enough.

Yeah, but what would happen is that they would work with their Japanese partner to create a Japan megaserver for the Japanese population. The rest of the region would have their choice of the EU or NA megaserver.

Kronz · December 2016

Travis10123 wrote: »

With battlegrounds coming in soon us oceanic players are really at a disadvantage when it comes to pvp and overall quality of life in ESO and could really use an oceanic server. Is this to much to ask for in this day an age? you give away a million dollars but cant and wont bring up an oceanic server...if ESO is trying to make an impact in the mmo space it needs to draw in players and have a substantial player base, I'm sorry but I dont see it going anywhere if it cant do this simple thing.

How will you be at a disadvantage by having more people to play with as it stands now then if you were on your own server and only had Oceanic people?

MakoFore · December 2016

yes give us a server. even if it runs under EU or NA , at least give us a sub server? i dont know the term- but give asia/oceana better pings. asia is the largest market for E-sports- and ur gimping urself by not having a server there.

i played at a net cafe recently - and everyone was playing LOL, DOTA, the usual suspect, but they all stopped and stared at eso and asked about it- they all agreed it looked amazing. i tried to sell it to them , they were all set to give it a go - and then i swear this is what happened....:

"what are the pings like? "

"cya..."

i was embarrassed - for you - for the game.

uve got a great game, great mechanics a world to explore , etc. but then uve severely buried urselves by not repairing the problems that have plagued pvp from the beginning. load times and poor latency.
kids these days want to play a game that has e-sport portnetial, and ESO has that- BUT only if the latency gets fixed. in this day and age- its unacceptable for a third of the world to have such poor connections and the largest e-sports , gaming market in the world too. These guys WANT to play the game- but its like ZOS is doing everything they can to prevent it. i just dont understand why they can't see this is a great investment- a real money maker- and not crown crates and housing. people aren't going to buy the game so they can build houses and buy crates. they will come to the game if u make a real competitive pvp environment with a stable infrastructure.

can u imagine a e-sport event with ESO 's problems with a game like DOTA? it'd be humiliating - every player stuck in a loading screen.
commentator: "and there goes fengrush- he s about to bring his team to the raid- he s porting from bleakers where he ll meet up with Alcast- and Deltia. and

...everyone get a coffee we l be five minutes or so..... make it 15.."

MickeyBN · December 2016

Kronz wrote: »

Travis10123 wrote: »

With battlegrounds coming in soon us oceanic players are really at a disadvantage when it comes to pvp and overall quality of life in ESO and could really use an oceanic server. Is this to much to ask for in this day an age? you give away a million dollars but cant and wont bring up an oceanic server...if ESO is trying to make an impact in the mmo space it needs to draw in players and have a substantial player base, I'm sorry but I dont see it going anywhere if it cant do this simple thing.

How will you be at a disadvantage by having more people to play with as it stands now then if you were on your own server and only had Oceanic people?

He's talking about the disadvantage of us Aussies playing with 300 ping vs you Yanks sitting on 25 ping. In a PvP scenario that disadvantage is very real.

Kronz · December 2016

MickeyBN wrote: »

Kronz wrote: »

Travis10123 wrote: »

With battlegrounds coming in soon us oceanic players are really at a disadvantage when it comes to pvp and overall quality of life in ESO and could really use an oceanic server. Is this to much to ask for in this day an age? you give away a million dollars but cant and wont bring up an oceanic server...if ESO is trying to make an impact in the mmo space it needs to draw in players and have a substantial player base, I'm sorry but I dont see it going anywhere if it cant do this simple thing.

How will you be at a disadvantage by having more people to play with as it stands now then if you were on your own server and only had Oceanic people?

He's talking about the disadvantage of us Aussies playing with 300 ping vs you Yanks sitting on 25 ping. In a PvP scenario that disadvantage is very real.

Ah that makes sense.

MickeyBN · December 2016

On a side note, the argument most Americans will make as to why they shouldn't bother with the Oceanic playerbase is because there aren't enough Oceanics playing and make up a small minority of ESO.

You do realise that argument is a paradox right? Although true to a degree, I can tell you now one of the main reasons for there being so few Oceanics playing, is because when they sit down and start playing for the first time, one of the first things they notice is the horrendous ping we have as a result of having no local servers.

This is enough to turn off most new players wanting to get into an MMO. Create local servers for Australians/Asians and I guarantee you'd be seeing more of us.

Elsonso · December 2016

MickeyBN wrote: »

Kronz wrote: »

Travis10123 wrote: »

With battlegrounds coming in soon us oceanic players are really at a disadvantage when it comes to pvp and overall quality of life in ESO and could really use an oceanic server. Is this to much to ask for in this day an age? you give away a million dollars but cant and wont bring up an oceanic server...if ESO is trying to make an impact in the mmo space it needs to draw in players and have a substantial player base, I'm sorry but I dont see it going anywhere if it cant do this simple thing.

How will you be at a disadvantage by having more people to play with as it stands now then if you were on your own server and only had Oceanic people?

He's talking about the disadvantage of us Aussies playing with 300 ping vs you Yanks sitting on 25 ping. In a PvP scenario that disadvantage is very real.

A couple of things to keep in mind. First of all, 25ms latency is not normal for "us Yanks". Normal is probably closer to 100ms for a geographically average location. Second, ESO is not a competitive PVP game, and never will be, so it is never going to be tuned for PVP low latency. This will also apply to the battlegrounds, if any, that they introduce. Third is that Europe, North America, and Japan are the markets that Bethesda seems to be interested in. Infrastructure changes will be done in support of those markets.

idk · December 2016

Travis10123 wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Travis10123 wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@Travis10123

How do you know an oceanic serer would be filled? Many current Oceanic players have friends on the server they currently play on. This is clear since even with an EU server there are many in the EU that play on the NA server.

Additionally, it would require multiple servers since consoles and PC will not be on the same server. PCs have a sound advantage over consoles.

Being part of an oceanic/Australia guild on NA I can tell you that they will switch in a heartbeat, day after day we get new people join the guild discussing an oceanic server at the same rate this occurs people also stop and quit playing all together and as they have said simply because of the lag. So that is my reasoning behind it I guarantee if an oceanic server was the first server to come online then an NA server the NA population would switch instantly. If the demand for console servers isnt there then no there is no need for an oceanic server I dont play on console so I cant tell you how the population is going on there.

Whole I respect your desire for this to happen the suport for it is likely by there for 3 more servers.

First, the limited observations included in this thread are not enough to determine if adding the serves is viable.

Second, it's not just one server. There are three for each geographic area. The consoles and PC/Mac cannot coexist.

Third? I know oceanic players who would not change because they would have to leave the gaming community they know. So the observations of one guild is not sufficient as I pointed out before.

I'd love to see the oceanic players who would not change more to the point the view point of an oceanic guild which has a waiting list to join is far more relevant than a few people you 'know'

@Travis10123

I have yet to see a guild with 500 truly active players. I've seen guilds claim 500 and red 50@ members but most hadn't logged in for months.

Even at 500, we will take into account the waiting list and make it 600, the server isn't anywhere near viable.

More importantly, Zos has metrics on where we are located. It's very easy to obtain. If an oceanic server was truly viable they would do it in a heartbeat since it's $$$. Zos isn't going to pass up good money.

So I seriously doubt it will happen because it's very likely not viable.

Riejael · December 2016

MickeyBN wrote: »

On a side note, the argument most Americans will make as to why they shouldn't bother with the Oceanic playerbase is because there aren't enough Oceanics playing and make up a small minority of ESO.

Umm no.

First of all, a physical server isn't even needed. Tell your government to stop treating its citizens like children and TURN OFF the Firewall. Then you'd see a 120-170ms ping to the servers. That would help with alot more than just gaming in the long run as well.

Second getting a physical server over there is.. interesting. For many of the same reasons as the first. Outside business and influence just isn't... well I won't say welcomed, but you've got to grease the palms so to speak. There's regs in the way.

Americans aren't going to care one way or another if a few people in Oceana get to play with a faster ping. Pleaing to them for help or even trying to somehow peer pressure them into it with insults or guilting them won't yield any results. Even if we wanted to help your case (and some of us do) our hands are tied.

Australians have to help themselves. And it will take a number of you on the horn with your version of representatives to make the change. Believe me, that should be done anyway. that goes beyond simply having a decent ping in Cyrodil. But it has to be you all, your officials won't listen to Americans or Europeans.

MickeyBN · December 2016

Riejael wrote: »

MickeyBN wrote: »

On a side note, the argument most Americans will make as to why they shouldn't bother with the Oceanic playerbase is because there aren't enough Oceanics playing and make up a small minority of ESO.

Umm no.

First of all, a physical server isn't even needed. Tell your government to stop treating its citizens like children and TURN OFF the Firewall. Then you'd see a 120-170ms ping to the servers. That would help with alot more than just gaming in the long run as well.

Second getting a physical server over there is.. interesting. For many of the same reasons as the first. Outside business and influence just isn't... well I won't say welcomed, but you've got to grease the palms so to speak. There's regs in the way.

Americans aren't going to care one way or another if a few people in Oceana get to play with a faster ping. Pleaing to them for help or even trying to somehow peer pressure them into it with insults or guilting them won't yield any results. Even if we wanted to help your case (and some of us do) our hands are tied.

Australians have to help themselves. And it will take a number of you on the horn with your version of representatives to make the change. Believe me, that should be done anyway. that goes beyond simply having a decent ping in Cyrodil. But it has to be you all, your officials won't listen to Americans or Europeans.

No worries, tomorrow I'll march right into Parliament.

Elsonso · December 2016

MickeyBN wrote: »

Riejael wrote: »

MickeyBN wrote: »

On a side note, the argument most Americans will make as to why they shouldn't bother with the Oceanic playerbase is because there aren't enough Oceanics playing and make up a small minority of ESO.

Umm no.

First of all, a physical server isn't even needed. Tell your government to stop treating its citizens like children and TURN OFF the Firewall. Then you'd see a 120-170ms ping to the servers. That would help with alot more than just gaming in the long run as well.

Second getting a physical server over there is.. interesting. For many of the same reasons as the first. Outside business and influence just isn't... well I won't say welcomed, but you've got to grease the palms so to speak. There's regs in the way.

Americans aren't going to care one way or another if a few people in Oceana get to play with a faster ping. Pleaing to them for help or even trying to somehow peer pressure them into it with insults or guilting them won't yield any results. Even if we wanted to help your case (and some of us do) our hands are tied.

Australians have to help themselves. And it will take a number of you on the horn with your version of representatives to make the change. Believe me, that should be done anyway. that goes beyond simply having a decent ping in Cyrodil. But it has to be you all, your officials won't listen to Americans or Europeans.

No worries, tomorrow I'll march right into Parliament.

Awesome, will keep track of the progress of your arrest and trial on the SMH website.

MickeyBN · December 2016

lordrichter wrote: »

MickeyBN wrote: »

Riejael wrote: »

MickeyBN wrote: »

On a side note, the argument most Americans will make as to why they shouldn't bother with the Oceanic playerbase is because there aren't enough Oceanics playing and make up a small minority of ESO.

Umm no.

First of all, a physical server isn't even needed. Tell your government to stop treating its citizens like children and TURN OFF the Firewall. Then you'd see a 120-170ms ping to the servers. That would help with alot more than just gaming in the long run as well.

Second getting a physical server over there is.. interesting. For many of the same reasons as the first. Outside business and influence just isn't... well I won't say welcomed, but you've got to grease the palms so to speak. There's regs in the way.

Americans aren't going to care one way or another if a few people in Oceana get to play with a faster ping. Pleaing to them for help or even trying to somehow peer pressure them into it with insults or guilting them won't yield any results. Even if we wanted to help your case (and some of us do) our hands are tied.

Australians have to help themselves. And it will take a number of you on the horn with your version of representatives to make the change. Believe me, that should be done anyway. that goes beyond simply having a decent ping in Cyrodil. But it has to be you all, your officials won't listen to Americans or Europeans.

No worries, tomorrow I'll march right into Parliament.

Awesome, will keep track of the progress of your arrest and trial on the SMH website.

"In today's news, a man was arrested at the doorsteps of Parliament House after a violent altercation with security. The incident was sparked after he was thrown out for protesting against the Liberal Governments broken promise of introducing the NBN to every home in Australia within the due date.

The man was quoted as saying: "sick of the lag in Cryodiil!" and was later apprehended by security."

Expect something like that I guess *shrug*

Rohamad_Ali · December 2016

Convince ZOS to spend the money , no one here should be against it .

Scarlett_Princess · December 2016

How amazing would an Oceanic server be! My herb and wood collecting times would be reduced by approx 45 seconds per harvest

Vorcil · December 2016

even for just pvp and trials, this would make me happy.

Volrion · January 2017

MickeyBN wrote: »

On a side note, the argument most Americans will make as to why they shouldn't bother with the Oceanic playerbase is because there aren't enough Oceanics playing and make up a small minority of ESO.

You do realise that argument is a paradox right? Although true to a degree, I can tell you now one of the main reasons for there being so few Oceanics playing, is because when they sit down and start playing for the first time, one of the first things they notice is the horrendous ping we have as a result of having no local servers.

This is enough to turn off most new players wanting to get into an MMO. Create local servers for Australians/Asians and I guarantee you'd be seeing more of us.

I started with a guild of 20 workmates all playing from Japan. All but two have quit now. All quit because of the server performance.

I'm casual on ESO now, only because I can't PVP competitively. I've done all PVE end game that I want to do and I'm bored with that. Only replay value left for me is PVP. But it's terrible.

Everyone of my Asian and Aussie friends who I've met in game or IRL all love this game and want to commit more to it, but the lack of a stable environment kills their interest.