Protip: Don't PUG any dungeon you can't solo.

If you discover you have a bucket of fail, put on some tunes, swap skills, and just solo it with X Derps following you around.

I don't mean to be snarky - I really don't - but the best way to run a dungeon efficiently is to get your own group together. Running in pugs is a huge crap shoot. I have gotten some very very good groups, and some really terrible ones. If you are in a hurry to complete them, the only way to be sure you get it done smoothly is to form your own group. There really isn't any other way that will be foolproof.

EDIT: Something else you can do to save time in the future is to start adding the really good pugs to your friend's list. Set a note by their name as to what role they play. Once you get a decent list together, pick from that when making your own groups.

BossXV wrote: »

Okay, I'm so frustrated, my last 5 groups were awful, how? How can the DPS not kill the trash mobs at the start of fungal 2, I don't think I will ever try veteran with pugs

Be more selective in your group. Only group with friends/guildmates. Request people who have experience.

Tons of ways to "quality control" your group. There is no problem in being selective with who you group with, just make sure you meet your own requirements or it is not fair to the other players.

Gotta ask though... if you have had 6 bad groups in a row, are you positive it is 100% on the other players?

If I'm going to pug a vet dungeon, I make sure I always queue with at least one friend so that I know half the group is solid. Ideally I'd get all 4 people and avoid the pug altogether, but having a buddy means that you can more easily influence votekicks should the need arise (you and your buddy can look out for each other). Warning sign #1 is when they do not talk in chat at all. I always make it a point to say hi at the beginning of the dungeon, and oftentimes I get a response. For dungeons that are mechanic heavy, I ask if everyone knows the mechanics before we begin. If you are met with stone-cold silence, that is a sign that things may not be so great in the future. Warning sign #2 is afk players. I realize that group finder queues can be excessively long sometimes, so I usually give everyone a couple of minutes before starting. I'll go through all the trash until the first boss with only 3 people if need be, but once I reach that boss I pause and if the 4th isn't there yet, I ask for a status update and vote to kick a minute later if no reply.

If you can't get enough votes to kick, don't be afraid to just leave yourself. It may be a better outcome than banging your head against the same boss 10 times until the other people ragequit. I'd advise you to not jump to that TOO early, however; explain mechanics in chat (if they are any) or just general combat advice (for example, some people still need reminding that resurrecting other players is something that should be done, instead of assuming someone else will do it, just pick someone and assign them to res duty). Stay optimistic, and don't point fingers/blame at anyone except for yourself even if it is obvious that someone else messed up. Any advice you give in chat should be constructive and phrased in such a way to not *** them off, as you still need to work together to succeed and that's a lot harder to do when there is visible animosity among group members. If someone else is raging, ask them nicely to stop or vote to kick them. I'd much rather kick someone pulling amazing DPS that's raging at a crap healer than the healer who may be trying a new build or something (yes, people try new builds or are new to dungeons in general even at cp300+, don't assume that because someone has piles of cp that they've run every dungeon dozens of times before and know their role inside and out).

Failing all of the above, just pug normals instead of vet until you run into a couple of really awesome people that you get along with in chat, add them to your friends list, and then just dungeon with them in days to come instead of relying as much on group finder.

Btw how's my set up? Well stats with tremor

As my tank I'm mostly a true tank, with some support, and enemy debuffs at the side, so...when I have 2 bad DPS, it can get really slow lol

SolarCat02 wrote: »

The trick is to have a flexible and self-sustaining build.

Probably the best advice you'll find in this thread. It doesn't have to be perfect. Nobody expects you to do every job to it's utmost. But as long as you're not entirely dependent on, for example, the healer keeping you topped off, you can get through most PUGs well enough.

BossXV wrote: »

Latelys I've had some really bad groups, I'm trying to get some pro tips on how to save time, that moment u realize the group is hopeless,

One I have is, if they take many tries on the first boss it's probably hopeless

Not to support bad player character or whatever, it's just I've waisted so much time doing veteran dungeons with either a DPS that was as useful in DPS as I was (as a tank) or a healer that was just crap

Just now I abandoned a group that was just taking embarrassingly long in the first part of fungal grotto 2... Any one have any time saver tips

Remember the dungeons that require good DPS to finish and then those that don't. That way you can judge your chances on completion after the first couple of pulls and seeing the kind of damage they do.

I pug tank vet dungeons, and have completed them almost 100% of the time... the trick is to be flexible, sometimes I need to adapt and slot some more healing skills, sometimes dps skills, and if the group is good I can simply tank (aggro/position/buff/debuff).

Sometimes though it's not possible to go hardmode, but that's ok too as long as everyone is doing their best and having fun.