Sometimes there's just no helping some new players

Doctordarkspawn · December 2016

I'm all for advocating for new players.

Exept this guy. This guy just dumb.

raj72616a · December 2016

i remember meeting nice people far more often than idiots in this game.

on the topic of ww/vamp, my first char got it in Rift: someone spotted two group of werewolves and annouced the location in zone chat. and invite me to group to show me the exact position.

when i later wamt to get vamp bite, i went to Rift again, explored at night and found nothing, others asked for bite on zone chat, some people offered free bites, some for vamp and some for ww, i was late for it so i didnt get one. but then i went to Reaper March, asked in zone chat again. and once more someone spotted wild bloodfiends and told everyone the location.

jircris11 · December 2016

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Was finishing up quests in Malabal Tor tonight and was doing that quest where you have to find instruments in some werewolf camp along with a spinner quest. Anyway, some guy just standing there letting werewolves beat down on him, but i needed behind them to get one of the instruments I needed for the quest, so did what anyone would do, clear the path. A minute later s/he whispered me and the convo went something like:

Other Person [OP] Leave me alone
Me: What? I'm doing quests in the area, so don't flatter yourself
Op: I'm trying to get a WW bite
Me: You're in the wrong zone, the last time I looked you could only get them in Reaper's March if you're wanting an npc to bite you
OP: Stop trolling me and wasting my time
Me: Ok, sorry meant no harm. Just warning you you're wasting your own time as it's not a case of just fighting any werewolf, it has to be specific werewolves, on a full moon, in a certain area.
OP: I'm reporting you

I wasn't abusive at all, never swore and other than the flattery comment I inserted into my first whisper, I thought I was actually being helpful. No doubt the person is still there attempting to get his WW bite.

I have had this before, though it was about crafting. they claimed that crafting was too hard to level. i explained how to do it with ease and i got told i do not know anything...apparently being a master crafter means nothing to kids now days lol.

Prof_Bawbag · December 2016

AuldWolf wrote: »

That you're posting this on a forum as part of a pity party tells me that there's two sides to this story. I just wish people weren't shallow enough to fall for this sort of thing. Too many manipulators out there to know what's really going on any more, with motivations and agendas more varied than I could ever imagine.

I just question the motivation of making a thread about this in the first place, even. It doesn't exactly look good, does it? If you were really invested in helping them, you could have messaged them with a link explaining how the werewolf stuff worked and politely suggested they give it a look, if they want to, rather than posting this thread.

Like I said, two sides to every story. Seeing one on a forum isn't automatically convincing to me. It's more evident of a toxic personality that would do that sort of thing in the first place. At least you didn't name shame, I suppose.

God forbid someone should have the audacity to post something that isn't about crown crates, housing, scrubs in dungeons and proc sets. I'm not here to convince you or anyone of the authenticity of my post or any post I make. It's up to you whether you believe it or not. I won't lose sleep either way, and i suggest you don't either.

deevoh1991 · December 2016

Lol that was absurd. I'd have kept clearing the werewolves while dancing in redgarud emote or something to *** him off if he showed me that attitude for No reason

Runs · December 2016

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

...on a full moon...

You were trolling.

Prof_Bawbag · December 2016

Runs wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

...on a full moon...

You were trolling.

Why? Because I got 1 bit of info wrong (I'm assuming by your response I did). The long and the short of it is, He was in the wrong zone, using the wrong npcs. I gave him all the info from the top of my head and like everyone else that uses these forums, I'm not infallible. I don't claim to be either. I also didn't give him/her the specific area too, because i haven't got a clue where that is, doesn't mean I was trolling them with that too. Whilst I have appreciated in-game help in the past, I didn't expect to be spoon fed the intricate details. Some of the onus was on me to seek out a more detailed description or instructions. Like anything in-game, there's only so much you can do before the other person has to help themselves.

raj72616a · December 2016

quite sure op was not trolling.

werewolves on full moon nights is quite oft quoted in the google results i found. it was believed that werewolves spawn on full moon nights, and bloodfiends spawn on other nights. but it was later on proven to be wrong, and most players are unaware of moon cycle anyway.

Pandorii · December 2016

AuldWolf wrote: »

That you're posting this on a forum as part of a pity party tells me that there's two sides to this story. I just wish people weren't shallow enough to fall for this sort of thing. Too many manipulators out there to know what's really going on any more, with motivations and agendas more varied than I could ever imagine.

I just question the motivation of making a thread about this in the first place, even. It doesn't exactly look good, does it? If you were really invested in helping them, you could have messaged them with a link explaining how the werewolf stuff worked and politely suggested they give it a look, if they want to, rather than posting this thread.

Like I said, two sides to every story. Seeing one on a forum isn't automatically convincing to me. It's more evident of a toxic personality that would do that sort of thing in the first place. At least you didn't name shame, I suppose.

I'm inclined to agree. I see it as the illusion of altruism. Sometimes people do 'good' or 'nice' things expecting to be thanked for it. So they're not doing it altruistically really. They want to receive the self-satisfaction or some kind of good Samaritan award.

It may or may not be the case with the OP. But if he/she was truly out for the other persons good. He/she would not have cared if the person accepted or declined the advice. If somebody was doing something purely altruistically, they won't care if 'they can or can't be helped.'

I wouldn't go as far as to say it's a toxic personality, though.

Just that I think maybe some people haven't really learned the true meaning of selflessness.

I'm of the 'maybe he/she didn't need help, because I hate receiving unsolicited advice. It's a power display that always involves making someone submissive to the other's 'wisdom' and 'knowledge.' Even if I ended up trying to get a bite that didn't exist. Eventually, I would ask for help or look it up when I was ready.

Edit: I catch myself making that mistake sometimes. I do try to be mindful, by asking a person things like 'would you like the advice of an experienced crafter?' if they ask for 5 pieces of medium julianos or something.

Prof_Bawbag · December 2016

raj72616a wrote: »

quite sure op was not trolling.

werewolves on full moon nights is quite oft quoted in the google results i found. it was believed that werewolves spawn on full moon nights, and bloodfiends spawn on other nights. but it was later on proven to be wrong, and most players are unaware of moon cycle anyway.

I don't mind being called out if I have provided the wrong info and hold my hands up if I am indeed incorrect. Never been a werewolf, never sought to become one and as such, it was a long time ago I read up on the ins and outs of becoming both a vampire and WW. The other person got the general gist.

Runs · December 2016

The comment was meant more as a playful jab at the full moon comment, that rumor is a long time pet peeve of mine. I didn't really think you were intentionally trolling

The other pet peeve is people not knowing which mobs... In Bangkorai people have announced normal mobs as the ones that scratch daily for the past week, I assume it's continuous but I've only been farming there the last week.

I recently was scratched and took screens of it, never got around to posting. They were last out on Dec. 9th 7:30am... These where the two who did me in.

Prof_Bawbag · December 2016

Pandorii wrote: »

AuldWolf wrote: »

That you're posting this on a forum as part of a pity party tells me that there's two sides to this story. I just wish people weren't shallow enough to fall for this sort of thing. Too many manipulators out there to know what's really going on any more, with motivations and agendas more varied than I could ever imagine.

I just question the motivation of making a thread about this in the first place, even. It doesn't exactly look good, does it? If you were really invested in helping them, you could have messaged them with a link explaining how the werewolf stuff worked and politely suggested they give it a look, if they want to, rather than posting this thread.

Like I said, two sides to every story. Seeing one on a forum isn't automatically convincing to me. It's more evident of a toxic personality that would do that sort of thing in the first place. At least you didn't name shame, I suppose.

I'm inclined to agree. I see it as the illusion of altruism. Sometimes people do 'good' or 'nice' things expecting to be thanked for it. So they're not doing it altruistically really. They want to receive the self-satisfaction or some kind of good Samaritan award.

It may or may not be the case with the OP. But if he/she was truly out for the other persons good. He/she would not have cared if the person accepted or declined the advice. If somebody was doing something purely altruistically, they won't care if 'they can or can't be helped.'

I wouldn't go as far as to say it's a toxic personality, though.

Just that I think maybe some people haven't really learned the true meaning of selflessness.

I'm of the 'maybe he/she didn't need help, because I hate receiving unsolicited advice. It's a power display that always involves making someone submissive to the other's 'wisdom' and 'knowledge.' Even if I ended up trying to get a bite that didn't exist. Eventually, I would ask for help or look it up when I was ready.

Edit: I catch myself making that mistake sometimes. I do try to be mindful, by asking a person things like 'would you like the advice of an experienced crafter?' if they ask for 5 pieces of medium julianos or something.

Or some people read waaaaaaaaaaay too much in to things? That said, I posted on a public forum and as such I appreciate people who love nothing more than to over analyse any given trivial comment frequent any given public forum. From my pov, I wouldn't have wasted your time psychoanalysing me. I'm not really worth the effort. This will be forgotten about 5 minutes after you log out and no doubt AW has come to the same realisation.

Prof_Bawbag · December 2016

Runs wrote: »

The comment was meant more as a playful jab at the full moon comment, that rumor is a long time pet peeve of mine. I didn't really think you were intentionally trolling

The other pet peeve is people not knowing which mobs... In Bangkorai people have announced normal mobs as the ones that scratch daily for the past week, I assume it's continuous but I've only been farming there the last week.

I recently was scratched and took screens of it, never got around to posting. They were last out on Dec. 9th 7:30am... These where the two who did me in.

Hahaha and I was busy 2mins ago accusing someone else of reading too much into what is said. Apologies, I picked you up wrong.

Pandorii · December 2016

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Pandorii wrote: »

AuldWolf wrote: »

That you're posting this on a forum as part of a pity party tells me that there's two sides to this story. I just wish people weren't shallow enough to fall for this sort of thing. Too many manipulators out there to know what's really going on any more, with motivations and agendas more varied than I could ever imagine.

I just question the motivation of making a thread about this in the first place, even. It doesn't exactly look good, does it? If you were really invested in helping them, you could have messaged them with a link explaining how the werewolf stuff worked and politely suggested they give it a look, if they want to, rather than posting this thread.

Like I said, two sides to every story. Seeing one on a forum isn't automatically convincing to me. It's more evident of a toxic personality that would do that sort of thing in the first place. At least you didn't name shame, I suppose.

I'm inclined to agree. I see it as the illusion of altruism. Sometimes people do 'good' or 'nice' things expecting to be thanked for it. So they're not doing it altruistically really. They want to receive the self-satisfaction or some kind of good Samaritan award.

It may or may not be the case with the OP. But if he/she was truly out for the other persons good. He/she would not have cared if the person accepted or declined the advice. If somebody was doing something purely altruistically, they won't care if 'they can or can't be helped.'

I wouldn't go as far as to say it's a toxic personality, though.

Just that I think maybe some people haven't really learned the true meaning of selflessness.

I'm of the 'maybe he/she didn't need help, because I hate receiving unsolicited advice. It's a power display that always involves making someone submissive to the other's 'wisdom' and 'knowledge.' Even if I ended up trying to get a bite that didn't exist. Eventually, I would ask for help or look it up when I was ready.

Edit: I catch myself making that mistake sometimes. I do try to be mindful, by asking a person things like 'would you like the advice of an experienced crafter?' if they ask for 5 pieces of medium julianos or something.

Or some people read waaaaaaaaaaay too much in to things? That said, I posted on a public forum and as such I appreciate people who love nothing more than to over analyse any given trivial comment frequent any given public forum. From my pov, I wouldn't have wasted your time psychoanalysing me. I'm not really worth the effort. This will be forgotten about 5 minutes after you log out and no doubt AW has come to the same realisation.

Ad hominem fallacy. Attack the person instead of the argument.

I'll just rephrase:

I believe that players should have the right and dignity to play the way that they want. Free of unsolicted advice. I have learned from my experience that players tend to be more receptive of advice when a person first asks if they would like it before giving. Using the words 'should' instead of 'could' give off a dictatorial vibe that can put a person on the defensive.

It looks like the player didn't trust your advice. Maybe you could have done something to change your approach?

Anyway, this will be my last post. It seems like you're not open to disagreement.

nordsavage · December 2016

Next time start with "You were in my way.". Then when he told you he is after a WW bite say "When you figure it out remember I was laughing at you." When he threatens to report you say "Go right ahead." Then kill his WW attacking him for a few spawns then be on your way and say "report that".

Prof_Bawbag · December 2016

Pandorii wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Pandorii wrote: »

AuldWolf wrote: »

That you're posting this on a forum as part of a pity party tells me that there's two sides to this story. I just wish people weren't shallow enough to fall for this sort of thing. Too many manipulators out there to know what's really going on any more, with motivations and agendas more varied than I could ever imagine.

I just question the motivation of making a thread about this in the first place, even. It doesn't exactly look good, does it? If you were really invested in helping them, you could have messaged them with a link explaining how the werewolf stuff worked and politely suggested they give it a look, if they want to, rather than posting this thread.

Like I said, two sides to every story. Seeing one on a forum isn't automatically convincing to me. It's more evident of a toxic personality that would do that sort of thing in the first place. At least you didn't name shame, I suppose.

I'm inclined to agree. I see it as the illusion of altruism. Sometimes people do 'good' or 'nice' things expecting to be thanked for it. So they're not doing it altruistically really. They want to receive the self-satisfaction or some kind of good Samaritan award.

It may or may not be the case with the OP. But if he/she was truly out for the other persons good. He/she would not have cared if the person accepted or declined the advice. If somebody was doing something purely altruistically, they won't care if 'they can or can't be helped.'

I wouldn't go as far as to say it's a toxic personality, though.

Just that I think maybe some people haven't really learned the true meaning of selflessness.

I'm of the 'maybe he/she didn't need help, because I hate receiving unsolicited advice. It's a power display that always involves making someone submissive to the other's 'wisdom' and 'knowledge.' Even if I ended up trying to get a bite that didn't exist. Eventually, I would ask for help or look it up when I was ready.

Edit: I catch myself making that mistake sometimes. I do try to be mindful, by asking a person things like 'would you like the advice of an experienced crafter?' if they ask for 5 pieces of medium julianos or something.

Or some people read waaaaaaaaaaay too much in to things? That said, I posted on a public forum and as such I appreciate people who love nothing more than to over analyse any given trivial comment frequent any given public forum. From my pov, I wouldn't have wasted your time psychoanalysing me. I'm not really worth the effort. This will be forgotten about 5 minutes after you log out and no doubt AW has come to the same realisation.

Ad hominem fallacy. Attack the person instead of the argument.

I'll just rephrase:

I believe that players should have the right and dignity to play the way that they want. Free of unsolicted advice. I have learned from my experience that players tend to be more receptive of advice when a person first asks if they would like it before giving. Using the words 'should' instead of 'could' give off a dictatorial vibe that can put a person on the defensive.

It looks like the player didn't trust your advice. Maybe you could have done something to change your approach?

Anyway, this will be my last post. It seems like you're not open to disagreement.

Attacking your argument rather than yourself would insinuate that your post was more or less made up of an argument rather than what it was, a lot of assumptions based on my personality. Heed your your own advice or does your "Ad hominem fallacy" only extend to others and not yourself? The usual pseudo-intellectual nonsense people hide behind as to make themselves feel superior to those they are talking down to. Ironic really.

bottleofsyrup · December 2016

Pandorii wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Pandorii wrote: »

AuldWolf wrote: »

That you're posting this on a forum as part of a pity party tells me that there's two sides to this story. I just wish people weren't shallow enough to fall for this sort of thing. Too many manipulators out there to know what's really going on any more, with motivations and agendas more varied than I could ever imagine.

I just question the motivation of making a thread about this in the first place, even. It doesn't exactly look good, does it? If you were really invested in helping them, you could have messaged them with a link explaining how the werewolf stuff worked and politely suggested they give it a look, if they want to, rather than posting this thread.

Like I said, two sides to every story. Seeing one on a forum isn't automatically convincing to me. It's more evident of a toxic personality that would do that sort of thing in the first place. At least you didn't name shame, I suppose.

I'm inclined to agree. I see it as the illusion of altruism. Sometimes people do 'good' or 'nice' things expecting to be thanked for it. So they're not doing it altruistically really. They want to receive the self-satisfaction or some kind of good Samaritan award.

It may or may not be the case with the OP. But if he/she was truly out for the other persons good. He/she would not have cared if the person accepted or declined the advice. If somebody was doing something purely altruistically, they won't care if 'they can or can't be helped.'

I wouldn't go as far as to say it's a toxic personality, though.

Just that I think maybe some people haven't really learned the true meaning of selflessness.

I'm of the 'maybe he/she didn't need help, because I hate receiving unsolicited advice. It's a power display that always involves making someone submissive to the other's 'wisdom' and 'knowledge.' Even if I ended up trying to get a bite that didn't exist. Eventually, I would ask for help or look it up when I was ready.

Edit: I catch myself making that mistake sometimes. I do try to be mindful, by asking a person things like 'would you like the advice of an experienced crafter?' if they ask for 5 pieces of medium julianos or something.

Or some people read waaaaaaaaaaay too much in to things? That said, I posted on a public forum and as such I appreciate people who love nothing more than to over analyse any given trivial comment frequent any given public forum. From my pov, I wouldn't have wasted your time psychoanalysing me. I'm not really worth the effort. This will be forgotten about 5 minutes after you log out and no doubt AW has come to the same realisation.

Ad hominem fallacy. Attack the person instead of the argument.

I'll just rephrase:

I believe that players should have the right and dignity to play the way that they want. Free of unsolicted advice. I have learned from my experience that players tend to be more receptive of advice when a person first asks if they would like it before giving. Using the words 'should' instead of 'could' give off a dictatorial vibe that can put a person on the defensive.

It looks like the player didn't trust your advice. Maybe you could have done something to change your approach?

Anyway, this will be my last post. It seems like you're not open to disagreement.

The other person whispered first telling OP to go away when OP was just doing quest.

anitajoneb17_ESO · December 2016

Yes, unsolicited advice is awful.
Yes, that player wasn't polite.

I suggest this is due to the whole scam that's been going on for so long about WW bites. Players would try and trick newbies with *anything* to have them buy bites at horrendous prices, including preventing them from getting bitten by "natural werewolves". I think the player has mistaken you for one of those - it's merely a misunderstanding.

itehache · December 2016

Yeah I have come across a similar situation!

I was just questing with my alt and another guy/girl was around. S/he whispered me all angry, telling me to stop following. I said I was just questing and s/he got even more angry and even threatened to report me, wth! I told them something like "this is an mmo get ready to see people around you, good bye". Like cmon!! xD

JamieAubrey · December 2016

Op: I'm trying to get a WW bite
Me: You're in the wrong zone

I'm dead xD

Iselin · December 2016

Oh LOL button how I miss thee! So just... LOL.